Help finding Retrotech produced in the Jihad?

[Red Pins]

So, I help finding finding Retrotech units produced during the Jihad.

I've tried the MUL; it wasn't a really effective way to find them, but I used the filters to specify (unit type), (technology), and (Jihad), but the only ones I found were the Rook and Hawkwolf.

I tried looking in MML, doing advanced search with (Primitive), but looking through it all I can find are the original Primitive units, not the Retrotech.

I've had the most luck looking for Retrotech manufacturers - finding one unit and tracing it back to the manufacturer.  So far, I have 4-5;

Rim Motors-Commando
Osaka Heavy Metrics - Ymir, OstWar
New Hessen Mechworks - Battleaxe, Rook
Hope Industrial Works - Hawkwolf, firebee, and Dervish

I think Vandenburg Mechanical Industries builds some, but need to check again later - time for bed.

[Weirdo]

The Objectives series of PDFs lists lots of RetroTech manufacturers for each faction.

[Red Pins]

Thanks!  ...but I don't own them?  I'll keep looking, can somebody give names?

[MadCapellan]

You need to set Availability Era to Jihad on the MUL, instead of Intro Era.

[Red Pins]

Hmm.  Ok - I think I get it.  I set it as 'Production era', not 'availability era'.  Much better, 44 units!  Thanks, MadCap.

[Hellraiser]

Hmm.  Ok - I think I get it.  I set it as 'Production era', not 'availability era'.  Much better, 44 units!  Thanks, MadCap.

FYI.

Production Era is the single Era when it was first produced.   
So all SLDF era units will show up in SLDF but not later.

Availability Era is every single era where they can claim that some of them were around, regardless of if it was in production or not. 
Just if they existed at that time.

[Red Pins]

Ok, I seem to be wrong, again.

'Availability' set to 'Jihad' seems to bring lots of units through the filter, but they don't seem to be IN PRODUCTION during the Jihad.

So, resetting the filter to 'Production era'->'Jihad' - but this can't be the complete list. (Pic related)  What am I missing?

[Red Pins]

*and Sarna 'Retrotech' is no help.  I'm going to try 'primitive' to see if I can get a list to start from.

[Red Pins]

Alright, I think I've got it.  I had to search for the word 'Primitive' on Sarna, then chase down individual mechs and the companies manufacturing them.

Mind you, there are a couple with no links, articles with no links (or broken ones) and articles that contain information that they have a factory producing Primitive units (and names them) but no company name.

Now, all I have to do is make the list, and fill out a second list of domestic Primitives for my project.

I'll post a list of mechs/companies/locations for the next guy, later.

[Red Pins]

Finally, done.  Very annoying; I had stuff on hold for this, but hopefully this will be there for the next person.

Primitives Produced During The Jihad

 
Trooper (20 tons)
Venkateswara BattleMech Refit Facility
Tamarind, FWL

Wasp (20 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League
  Bermuda Combat Systems
Booker, Magistracy of Canopus

Commando (25 tons)
  Arcturan Arms
Arcturus, Lyran Commonwealth
  Maxell Metals, Incorporated
Chukchi III, Lyran Commonwealth
  Wechsel Royal Industrial Repair and Heavy Machining
Kaumberg, Lyran Commonwealth

Icarus (40 tons)
Venkateswara BattleMech Refit Facility
Tamarind, FWL
  Ceres Metals Industries
Lockton, Capellan Confederation
  Gienah BattleMechs Ltd.
Gienah, Lyran Commonwealth

Rook (55 tons)
Venkateswara BattleMech Refit Facility
Tamarind, FWL
  New Hessen WorkMechs
New Hessen, Federated Suns

Dervish (55 tons)
  Arcturan Arms
Arcturus, Lyran Commonwealth
  Coalition Armory Inc.
Filtvelt, Filtvelt Coalition
  Hope Industrial Works
Randis IV, Brotherhood of Randis
  Sword of the Prophet Enterprises
Algedi, Draconis Combine
  McRae Quik Construct
New Ivaarsen, Federated Suns

Shadow Hawk (55 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League
  Bermuda Combat Systems
Booker, Magistracy of Canopus
  King Dumount Defense Facility
Castile, Nueva Castile
  Pride of Granada Industries
Granada, Umayyad Caliphate

Wolverine (55 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

Griffin (55 tons)
  Taurus Territorial Industries
Jansen's Hold, Taurian Concordat
  Gienah BattleMechs Ltd.
Gienah, Lyran Commonwealth

Pathfinder (25 tons) -

Archer (70 tons)
    New Samarkand Metals
Xinyang, Draconis Combine
Arcturan Arms
Arcturus, Lyran Commonwealth

Toro (35 tons)
  Protectorate Arms Conglomerate
Diik, Calderon Protectorate
  Coalition Armory Inc.
Filtvelt, Filtvelt Coalition
  Bermuda Combat Systems
Booker, Magistracy of Canopus
  Vandenberg Mechanized Industries
Illiushin, Taurian Concordat
  Liberty Arms
Jamestown, Taurian Concordat
  Iroquois Machinery Limited
Shawnee, Federated Suns
 
Firebee (35 tons)
  Ceres Metals Industries
Lockton, Capellan Confederation
  Hope Industrial Works
Randis IV, Brotherhood of Randis
  Bell Refit Yards
Bell, Capellan Confederation

OstWar (65 tons)
  Ceres Metals Industries
Lockton, Capellan Confederation
  Trellshire Heavy Industries
Adelaide, Lyran Commonwealth

Kyudo (45 tons)
  Maxell Metals, Incorporated
Chukchi III, Lyran Commonwealth
  New Samarkand Metals
Xinyang, Draconis Combine

Battleaxe (70 tons)
  Maxell Metals, Incorporated
Chukchi III, Lyran Commonwealth

Phoenix (50 tons)
  Wechsel Royal Industrial Repair and Heavy Machining
Kaumberg, Lyran Commonwealth
  Taurus Territorial Industries
Jansen's Hold, Taurian Concordat

Centurion (50 tons)
  Alphard Trading Corporation
Alphard, Marian Hegemony

HawkWolf (80 tons)
  Hope Industrial Works
Randis IV, Brotherhood of Randis

Rifleman (60 tons)
  Kallon Industries
Nanking, Capellan Confederation
  King Dumount Defense Facility
Castile, Nueva Castile
  Pride of Granada Industries
Granada, Umayyad Caliphate
  Precision Weaponry
Tancredi IV, Federated Suns

Gladiator (55 tons)
  Sword of the Prophet Enterprises
Algedi, Draconis Combine
  Rastaban Agricultural
Duran, Lyran Commonwealth

Mackie (100 tons)
  Harmony MetalWorks
Harmony, Free Worlds League
  Edasich Motors
Aur, Lyran Commonwealth

Thunderbolt (65 tons)
  Liberty Arms
Jamestown, Taurian Concordat
  Trellshire Heavy Industries
Adelaide, Lyran Commonwealth

Ymir (90 tons)
  Liberty Arms
Jamestown, Taurian Concordat
  Edasich Motors
Aur, Lyran Commonwealth

Hector (70 tons)
  Harmony MetalWorks
Harmony, Free Worlds League

Xanthos (100 tons)
  Vandenberg Mechanized Industries
Illiushin, Taurian Concordat

[Hellraiser]

I'm curious.

What did you find wrong with the list from the MUL when you selected the following?

Tech = Primitive
Availability = Jihad

That should give you anything that was available in the Jihad.

And by default, since I'd think most Primitive tech was "Extinct" prior to the Jihad, if it shows up again its because its "In Production".

As I mentioned above the "Production Era" field is only for the first era that something is created, its Introduction Era, not every era its in production.

[Hellraiser]

PS.

Here is that list from the MUL


Trooper TP-1R      20   236   8   Scout   XTR:Primitives V XTR:Primitives V   Advanced      2475   
Wasp WSP-1      20   314   11   Scout   XTR:Primitives II XTR:Primitives II   Experimental      2464   
Commando COM-1A      25   475   13   Scout   XTR:Primitives I XTR:Primitives I   Advanced      2463   
Commando COM-1AK      25   533   16   Scout   TtS:Kaumberg TtS:Kaumberg   Advanced      3072   
Pathfinder PFF-2      25   452   16   Scout   XTR:RetroTech XTR:RetroTech   Advanced      3075   
Pathfinder PFF-2T      25         None   XTR:RetroTech None   Advanced      3075   
Firebee FRB-1E (WAM-B)      35   514   15   Brawler   XTR:Primitives III XTR:Primitives III   Advanced      2483   
Toro TR-A-1      35   671   20   Brawler   XTR:Primitives IV XTR:Primitives IV   Advanced      2481   
Icarus ICR-1X      40   700   20   Brawler   XTR:Primitives II XTR:Primitives II   Advanced      2470   
Kyudo KY2-D-01      45   748   21   Missile Boat   XTR:Primitives I XTR:Primitives I   Advanced      2443   
Centurion CN9-H      50   848   20   Brawler   XTR:RetroTech XTR:RetroTech   Advanced      3077   
Phoenix PX-1KC      50   766   20   Brawler   TtS:Kaumberg TtS:Kaumberg   Advanced      3065   
Phoenix PX-1KL      50   930   24   Brawler   TtS:Kaumberg TtS:Kaumberg   Advanced      3070   
Phoenix PX-1KR      50   760   22   Brawler   TtS:Kaumberg TtS:Kaumberg   Advanced      3079   
Phoenix PX-1KT      50   857   23   Brawler   TtS:Kaumberg TtS:Kaumberg   Advanced      3070   
Phoenix PX-1R      50   917   21   Brawler   XTR:Primitives V XTR:Primitives V   Advanced      2474   
Rifleman RFL-1N      50   931   22   Brawler   XTR:Primitives IV XTR:Primitives IV   Advanced      2504   
Sarissa MN1-D      50   850   21   Brawler   XTR:Marik XTR:Marik   Experimental      3080   
Sarissa MN1-K      50         None   XTR:Marik None   Unknown      Unknown   
Shadow Hawk SHD-1R      50   851   22   Sniper   XTR:Primitives I XTR:Primitives I   Advanced      2467   
Dervish DV-1S      55   864   25   Missile Boat   XTR:Primitives III XTR:Primitives III   Advanced      2520   
Gladiator GLD-1R      55   1,027   27   Brawler   XTR:Primitives II XTR:Primitives II   Advanced      2468   
Rook NH-1A      55   1,197   27   Juggernaut   JHS:3076 RS:3085u-CE   Advanced      3074   
Rook NH-1X "Rook-X"      55   1,187   27   Juggernaut   XTR:RetroTech XTR:RetroTech   Experimental      3077   
Wolverine WVR-1R      55   885   23   Skirmisher   XTR:Primitives V XTR:Primitives V   Experimental      2471   
Bellerophon BEL-1X      60   957   24   Brawler   XTR:Primitives III XTR:Primitives III   Advanced      2442   
Griffin GRF-1A      60   1,024   25   Sniper   XTR:Primitives IV XTR:Primitives IV   Experimental      2465   
Ostwar OWR-2M      65   1,205   34   Juggernaut   XTR:Primitives I XTR:Primitives I   Advanced      2470   
Thunderbolt TDR-1C      65   1,237   33   Missile Boat   XTR:Primitives III XTR:Primitives III   Advanced      2491   
Archer ARC-1A      70   1,269   36   Missile Boat   XTR:Primitives V XTR:Primitives V   Advanced      2458   
BattleAxe BKX-1X      70   1,079   31   Juggernaut   XTR:Primitives II XTR:Primitives II   Advanced      2459   
Hector HOR-1B      70   949   24   Brawler   ED:AoW ED:AoW   Advanced      2471   
Helepolis HEP-1H      75   1,063   41   Missile Boat   XTR:Primitives I XTR:Primitives I   Advanced      2460   
HawkWolf HWK-3F      80   1,349   36   Missile Boat   XTR:RetroTech XTR:RetroTech   Experimental      3076   
Emperor EMP-1A      90   1,453   40   Juggernaut   XTR:Primitives IV XTR:Primitives IV   Advanced      2442   
Ymir BWP-X1      90   1,194   34   Missile Boat   XTR:Primitives V XTR:Primitives V   Advanced      2462   
Mackie MSK-5S      100   1,436   36   Sniper   XTR:Primitives I XTR:Primitives I   Advanced      2439   
Mackie MSK-6S      100   1,461   36   Juggernaut   TR:3075 RS:3075u-AW   Advanced      2443   
Xanthos XNT-2O      100   1,300   35   Juggernaut   XTR:Primitives IV XTR:Primitives IV   Advanced      2564   

[Red Pins]

I'm not sure, but when I followed MadCap's advice I got the longer list and this looks exactly like it.

Mind, I'm sure I did it the hard way, but I wanted the company/world/affiliation as well.  I think I can work it in, but I'll have to see.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Finally, done.  Very annoying; I had stuff on hold for this, but hopefully this will be there for the next person

Wasp (20 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

Shadow Hawk (55 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

Wolverine (55 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

This has me curious: the MUL has all three of these go extinct after the Late Republic era, presumably because Nimakachi of Lesnovo gears up to produce something else when the Blackout hits, but I'm not able to find out what. It's possible they went back to IndustrialMechs, since that's what was originally built there, but I don't know that that's likely, given the wider series of events at the time.

I suppose it's possible they upgraded the lines to standard Battlemechs, at which point the Wasp line is an easy conversion, at the same tonnage and engine rating.  The Wolverine, though, uses a different size engine between its standard and primitive versions, and the primitive SHD-1R Shadow Hawk is only 50 tons, so it's even less of a direct conversion of the line.

[Kit deSummersville]

Don't forget XTRO: Retrotech!

[Red Pins]

This has me curious: the MUL has all three of these go extinct after the Late Republic era, presumably because Nimakachi of Lesnovo gears up to produce something else when the Blackout hits, but I'm not able to find out what. It's possible they went back to IndustrialMechs, since that's what was originally built there, but I don't know that that's likely, given the wider series of events at the time.

I suppose it's possible they upgraded the lines to standard Battlemechs, at which point the Wasp line is an easy conversion, at the same tonnage and engine rating.  The Wolverine, though, uses a different size engine between its standard and primitive versions, and the primitive SHD-1R Shadow Hawk is only 50 tons, so it's even less of a direct conversion of the line.

Apparently some of them keep producing the Primitive/Retrotech stuff long after the jihad, but it's outside the scope of my project, so...

Don't forget XTRO: Retrotech!

Not exactly what i needed, but yes. 

[Hellraiser]

This has me curious: the MUL has all three of these go extinct after the Late Republic era, presumably because Nimakachi of Lesnovo gears up to produce something else when the Blackout hits, but I'm not able to find out what. It's possible they went back to IndustrialMechs, since that's what was originally built there, but I don't know that that's likely, given the wider series of events at the time.

I suppose it's possible they upgraded the lines to standard Battlemechs, at which point the Wasp line is an easy conversion, at the same tonnage and engine rating.  The Wolverine, though, uses a different size engine between its standard and primitive versions, and the primitive SHD-1R Shadow Hawk is only 50 tons, so it's even less of a direct conversion of the line.

For some reason I thought there was some fluff somewhere in a Republic product that did say a lot of the Retro did go away post Jihad when it was no longer "needed".
By either 1 of the 2 reasons you have.  Revert to Industrial or Upgrade to Intro.
For the most part it was reverting to support "Stone's Peace".

What your probably seeing is that it took till the end of the Late Republic for the models in circulation to go extinct again over time.

Similar concept to how it took till the 2nd SW for a lot of SLDF designs to go "extinct" even though the factory making them was nuked in the Amaris Crisis.

[MadCapellan]

I'm not sure, but when I followed MadCap's advice I got the longer list and this looks exactly like it.

Mind, I'm sure I did it the hard way, but I wanted the company/world/affiliation as well.  I think I can work it in, but I'll have to see.

The MUL does not provide factory data. That's what the Objectives series is for.

[Weirdo]

For some reason I thought there was some fluff somewhere in a Republic product that did say a lot of the Retro did go away post Jihad when it was no longer "needed".

It's in the Objectives series, which I'll again say answers just about every question this thread asks. I don't remember how detailed they get on this front but they do discuss the shutting down and/or retooling of RetroTech factories.

[Red Pins]

It's in the Objectives series, which I'll again say answers just about every question this thread asks. I don't remember how detailed they get on this front but they do discuss the shutting down and/or retooling of RetroTech factories.

Brought up because I don't own the Objective series.

Okay - thank you all, but I think this is settled.

[Hammer]

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Some recent posts have got an awful lot of information. "A few lines" over and over again is pushing it.

To be specific.

Lots of this:

Wasp (20 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

Shadow Hawk (55 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

Wolverine (55 tons)
  Nimakachi Fusion Products Limited
Lesnovo, Free World’s League

[Hellraiser]

Can you clarify if you are saying........

You can't quote the MUL?
Or
You can't quote Sarna?

If your going to quote put a link to the Sarna or MUL directly?

[Hammer]

Can you clarify if you are saying........

You can't quote the MUL?
Or
You can't quote Sarna?

If your going to quote put a link to the Sarna or MUL directly?

Update my post with an example. It's the huge amounts of factory data.

[Saint]

Add Marian Arms who began producing the Icarus, Gladiator, Emperor and maybe the retrotech Centurion 9H during the Jihad.

[Hammer]

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