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Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« on: 27 June 2016, 01:46:27 »
So, the most recent season of _Game of Thrones_ has come to a close...but for many, the high point was episode 9's "Battle of the Bastards".

How would you try and translate that battle into BT terms?  What kinds of units would work best for approximating, as closely as possible, a medieval battle with lots of cavalry and archers?  What special equipment and abilities should each side's commanders have?

For Jon Snow:
--'Mech:  a "Clanbuster" Black Knight with sword instead of hatchet, enough equipment dropped to upgrade the engine for 5/8 movement
-- Phantom 'Mech ability   ;D (anyone who saw the episode will know why)
--at least 10 points of Edge (again, had to see the episode)
--special weapon:  half of any damage (round up) done by sword transfers directly to internal structure, does double damage when striking unarmoured location.  (Represents Valyrian steel.  Insta-kill against any unit equipped with coolant pods...can you guess why  ;D  :D)
--tactical thinking hindered by excessive concern for family members, -2 initiative

For Ramsay Bolton:
--'Mech:  Archer, with all short-range weapons removed and command gear installed
--weapon specialist:  LRMs
--+2 initiative while force maintains at least a 50% numerical advantage over opposition

The Stark-allied side also needs an Atlas, equipped with industrial TSM and hardened armour.  No other weapons though.

Waiting to hear other fun ideas...

cheers,

Gabe
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #1 on: 27 June 2016, 20:42:26 »
If Jon Snow or anyone in that army had any rational thought or could improvise, even without half the army he has in the actual fiction, he should have crushed ramsey anyway. 

The battle was so poorly scripted (lack of storywriter competence) and gives Snow the appearance of incompetence and the Wildlings the appearance of cowards (even though they fight white walkers and all manner of beasts).  To set this battle up in Battletech as per the show it would basically be an IS force (Jon) at half the BV of a clan force (ramsey).

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However, to really display the power of the armies, Jon's force would need to have a lot of heavy hitters (giants that HBO penny pinched out of the show).  You would need light lances (cavalry) to engage and a heavy medium and heavy lance engagement (basically the wildlings being surrounded [I still cannot comprehend how that happened so easily, even with 1 giant]).

Light lances charge, mediums and heavies (ramsey) flank on the sides, with all off Jon's force moving through the middle.
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #2 on: 28 June 2016, 09:18:41 »
Getting surrounded by a sheild wall was kind of . . .

Heck, Ramsey's force should have been a bit off when he started dropping arrows on the mounted nobility.
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #3 on: 28 June 2016, 11:21:58 »
The amount of horrendous tactical errors in that battle are astounding.  They literally allowed pikes to surround them.  There was a solution to every single thing that pikes did that was not done by wildlings who should be able to improvise a helluva lot more than it portrayed them to be able to.
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #4 on: 28 June 2016, 13:06:23 »
Lol, the Onion Knight not leading the archers into melee rather just standing behind the battle line to turn anyone flanking into a pin cushion would have prevented it.
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #5 on: 29 June 2016, 09:51:27 »
Yeah, that guy is one of our favorites, I have no idea why the guy who was a seasoned commander and advocated patience rushed a melee with archers.  But, it if every single wildling grabbed a pike and held it up, the entire force could have rushed, brought down the shields and slaughtered the pikes in close combat. 
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #6 on: 29 June 2016, 12:23:15 »
Lol, the Onion Knight not leading the archers into melee rather just standing behind the battle line to turn anyone flanking into a pin cushion would have prevented it.

That's accounted for in the show though.  Ramsay didn't unleash the phalanx until after he saw Davos commit the last of the Stark reserves.  Plus in the case of Davos, he's always said he's got no real military experience.  He's a former smuggler.

Which segues into another point.. Ramsay was hardly a military genius, himself.  Any fool can win a battle when your army is twice the size of your opponent.  Yeah Ramsay had his moment in goading a Stark to act like a Stark, but had Jon fought like a cunning commander rather than a Stark he actually could have won the day even without being bailed out by Littlefinger.  Ramsay committed his entire force to crush an outmatched force.  Had Jon just sent a small flanking force, say a Direwolf or a dozen or so wildling irregulars, they would have caught Ramsay utterly alone (save those two useless heralds).  And how did the Knights of the Vale even arrive by surprise?  We just had it established that House Glover reestablished control of Moat Cailin and that they were choosing to remain loyal to Ramsay rather than rebel against him.  So how did the Littlefinger's army even get up through the Neck without any alarm being raised?  The only answer I see is that they did force their way up (House Glover might not have sided with Jon, but they clearly didn't love Ramsay enough to try to truly stop an invading southern army either), and Ramsay simply didn't do his due dilligence in reviewing intel reports.  How else can he not know a foreign army is moving up from the south?

So, incompetent commanders on both sides... only one army was twice the size of the other so it's no surprise that in absence of outside help, the smaller side just gets crushed.

Some of my own ideas on how to reskin the battle for the BTU:
The phalanxes: They're inexorable and inevitable death from beyond your reach.  That screams artillery.  Maybe even ortillery :)

The archers: Conventional and Aerospace fighters.  Makes extra sense that the artillery comes into play once the opposing air is no longer available to respond.

Wun Wun the Giant:  A superheavy mech.  Mabe an Ares series if the battle is in the Dark Age, but I prefer some industrial superheavy kitted out for war.  Like a 300 ton agromech described in MW 1st ed, or perhaps something more contemporary like a Kiso.  Need an obstacle to come down?  No problem!

The Cavalry: Obviously the mech forces.  First into battle, focus on each other, and (one can assume) they have most of the glory and prestige going into the battle.

The Footsoldiers: If the cavlary are the mechs, then your men at arms and wildlings that make up the bulk of your numbers are the conventional forces: tanks and infantry (and BA, depending on era)


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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #7 on: 29 June 2016, 13:02:23 »
Littlefinger's crew probably landed from aboard ship in Manderly's port.
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #9 on: 01 July 2016, 01:10:41 »
Actually, I was thinking about using as many 'Mechs as possible, even for the footsoldiers...

For that extra-gritty feel, it should be as much primitive and intro-tech as possible, with advanced tech being used only to give a particular unit special characteristics needed for their role.

In order for the wall of bodies to be able to build up...
--stacking rules do not apply for this battle; multiple 'Mechs may occupy a hex.  However, if two or more 'Mechs are in a hex, they may not use weapon attacks, but only engage each other in melee combat.
--if a 'Mech is destroyed, it remains in that hex and becomes a level I obstruction.  Each additional Mech destroyed in that hex adds to the obstruction, to a maximum of 3 levels.  An obstruction may be scaled at a cost of 1 MP per level of height.
--Ramsay Bolton is of the "if you're not willing to shell your own position, you're not willing to win" school of thought.  To reflect this, when Bolton archers (fire-support 'Mechs) target a Stark-aligned unit in a hex where there is also a Bolton-aligned unit either in that hex or any of the adjoining hexes, roll 2D6.  On a result of 8+, the missile volley hits the Bolton-aligned unit instead of the Stark one.  Stark archers are forbidden from using this tactic.

cheers,

Gabe
So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
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Re: Battletech version of GoT's Battle of the Bastards?
« Reply #10 on: 01 July 2016, 13:11:43 »
Just have all Bolton LRM launchers for the fire support section using Swarm ammo.
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