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O/ An EvE Online Thread
« on: 01 January 2012, 11:14:59 »
There's another EvE online thread, but it's lost to time and hasn't been bumped in at least an age, so I figured I would check up on capsuleers everywhere.

Who still flies the spacelanes doing what, and what do you think about Crucible?
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Anyways, Xindi Kraid Cmdr. Caldari Navy (ret.) now flying with The Night Wardens in wormhole space.  Loving Crucible, as a small ship pilot I love (and fear) the destroyer improvements, and am eagerly awaiting the Assault Ship buff.  At the moment, though, I am working on larger Railguns (did I mention I like those changes too?  Hope they do something to fix the ships too, I fly Caldari and Gallente so having hybrids be innefectual is irksome at the very least) to fit to my Naga NWS Alaska (named after the not-really-a battlecruiser from WWII)

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Re: O/ An EvE Online Thread
« Reply #1 on: 01 January 2012, 12:36:18 »
My account is still active, though I'm not logging in as often as I used to.  I've moved corps to be with Hephaestus LLC as their recruiter.  We used to be lowsec anti-pirate; we've since moved to Syndicate nullsec.  It's nice when you can force a carrier pilot to self-destruct to avoid the lossmail (with only sub-caps on the field).

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« Reply #2 on: 01 January 2012, 13:47:06 »
My account went inactive a few days ago BUT, I plan to resub ASAP. Just don't have the cash in electronic form. Yet.

The destroyer changes I thought were very excellent but somewhat in the wrong places.

The Cormorant got a helluva buff from the Destroyer changes. Still missing two low slots. :|
The Catalyst can reach absurd DPS now. I have EFT open right here and with x7 Neutron Blasters, it can reach 450+ DPS using Void Ammo. For reference, Welpcanes are hard pressed to match that.
Suicide Thrasher: Haters gonna Hate even harder, since it'll take even less time for you to kill something. Also, sig radius is nice.
The Coercer is still king of PvE. Still one mid slot. :|

The new Tier 3 Battlecruisers, are the last word in SUICIDE GANKS! though I have some issues with them.

That being said, I really enjoy them, especially the Death Banana that is the Oracle. I can fit x8 Tachyon Beams on an Oracle. You can't fit that on ANY! Amarr Battleship.
The Talos and Naga, in my opinion, the best of the lot, as the Naga can get a Real Tank with ease, using Blasters OR Rails, and the Talos is such a monsterous murderboat that if you can slide up next to someone, web and press F1 for **** YOU!
The Tornado is a Suicide Gank Boat. It can kindasorta fit x8 1400s and just serves as a cheaper Gate Suicider.

Currently I'm based in Yrmori, I fly Minmatar and Amarr, and I gotta say. Legions are addictive.  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: 01 January 2012, 13:48:17 »
Have an active account live in null sec causing trouble to locals lol  >:D

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Re: O/ An EvE Online Thread
« Reply #4 on: 01 January 2012, 14:04:57 »
Thrasher, another victory for Winmatar.
Not that I have a specific problem with that, I can fly every T1 Combat ship of Battlecruiser class and below, and am competent in every T2 small gun.

Totally forgot they didn't rejigger the slots on destroyers.  Not having a web and a scram makes it hard to hold bugs in place.

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Re: O/ An EvE Online Thread
« Reply #5 on: 01 January 2012, 15:36:41 »
The Cormy desperately needs a second Low, as much as the Coercer desperately needs a second Mid.

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« Reply #6 on: 01 January 2012, 15:40:35 »
Well, imo the Catalyst is the best suicide ganker now as you can cram in a blistering 400+ dps easy using Neutron blasters. The Thraser is a good all purpose boat for patrols, fleet ops, massive thaster roams, but if I need a dedicated anti tackle ship, Catalyat after the blaster buff, as you'll melt Hero Rifters, Interceptors, etc.

My two cents anyways

Pretty much, Aokarasu.

Also, thoughts on Strat Cruisers in general

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Re: O/ An EvE Online Thread
« Reply #7 on: 01 January 2012, 15:59:06 »
Well, the Cat has always been the go to suicide ganker come Hulkageddon, nothing new there as far as I am aware.
I am hoping to try out a dual prop Blasterannis for anti-tackler work.  I'd make some fits for my Harpy or Enyo, but with changes to Assault Ships coming soonTM, I'm holding off so I don't have to worry about my fits becoming obsolete a week later.

Strategic Cruisers: please nerf the Accelerated Ejection Bay.  It is so overpowered it marginalizes every other subsystem you can fit to a Tengu.  I think they should move the range bonus back to the Rifling Launcher Pattern.

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« Reply #8 on: 02 January 2012, 01:37:36 »
The range bonus on the Rifling Launch Pattern would be a bit ridiculous, as the Tengu can get some srsly messed up jamming strength and range via Obfuscation Manifold and Rifling Pattern.

Just a simple fit in EFT gives me a Tengu that can make a Falcon jealous. A Tengu can jam the nuts off of someone at 56km, a feat neither the Falcon nor Rook can match. Sure they can out jam it in terms of strength but if someone guns for the Tengu, it can jam someone way outside of normal engagement ranges AND have the person they're targeting easily within missile range.

Only the Rook manages to out range it appreciatively but again, 53km jamming range vs 35km, and a Tengu can easily keep the range open AND out tank the Rook. (Tengu, non-"Bling" fit, clocks in at 63k HP, Rook is at 37k.)

Also, Drones to deal with pesky Frigates.

Also, having seen the assault ship changes which went live on Chaos, the internal test server, I can say that Assault Frigates are going to completely replace T1 cruisers. Not HACs but T1 Cruisers. They're faster, tougher, offer similar damage, and can have serious tank attached. I'll see if I can dig them up but no guarantees.

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« Reply #9 on: 02 January 2012, 07:09:02 »
Oh, some more players in EVE.. ;)
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Re: O/ An EvE Online Thread
« Reply #10 on: 02 January 2012, 12:52:33 »
Well the problem with the accelerated ejection bay is that it has sniper fit ranges with short range damage.  I fly a Tengu, and I can tell you this: there is no point in bringing any other offensive subsystem; build your tengu around the accelerated ejection bay.  Anyways, I mentioned rifling launcher pattern because when they first tested them, the two bonuses were split, rifling launcher pattern had a range bonus, accelerated ejection bay had a RoF bonus, they changed it some time later so they could have an ECM subsystem.  They probably could have solved that problem right there if they had just given us those 5th subsystems they promised.

As for the AF boosts.  I am sure they are going to be nerfed quite a bit before they hit sisi.

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« Reply #11 on: 06 January 2012, 17:36:55 »
Well, we'll see about the AF changes. I think a better role bonus for them was half capacitor usage/capacitor penalty. But that's just me. The Sig Radius reduction seems to just eat into an Interceptor's Job.

That being said, for those of you who fly Amarr, how would you feel if the Capacitor usage bonus was taken away from Amarr Ships and replaced with something Useful, say, optimal range?

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« Reply #12 on: 06 January 2012, 18:17:56 »
That being said, for those of you who fly Amarr, how would you feel if the Capacitor usage bonus was taken away from Amarr Ships and replaced with something Useful, say, optimal range?

I like the cap usage bonus. The few ships flying without them (*cough* *cough* Abaddon) have real problems when they shoot their guns, without even taking into account a MWD or (heaven forbids !) an active rep.

As for the strat cruisers, I wonder how I managed without my Legion. It's very useful as a light transport ship in nullsec and is an extremely flexible PvE ship with the missile subsystem. Too bad it can't bubble.

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« Reply #13 on: 06 January 2012, 19:48:30 »
From my understanding, some of the Nullsec PvP fits have Abaddons running around with Scorch and to hell with Tachs. Leave Tach for the Nightmares.

(As it stands, the Oracle is the only Amarr ship that can fit x8 Tach without module help.)

Yeah, I really, really want a bling fit Legion.

Currently my subsystem setup is this:
Nanobot Injector
Augmented Cap
Liquid Crystal Magnifier
Tactical Targeting/Locus Analyzer for when I'm bored
Fuel Injector.

I've been thinking about the Assault Optimization but that just makes you a poor man's armor HAM Tengu.  :( I think once I finally get enough rep with Sebestior Tribe, I'll make a HAM Clone, so to speak.
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« Reply #14 on: 07 January 2012, 12:21:07 »
I stopped playing back in August when I entered the SWTOR Beta. The account was still active and I am slowly starting to get back into EVE.

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« Reply #15 on: 20 January 2012, 00:59:43 »
Been playing a bit more lately, and finally gotten into some scraps in our neck of the woods in Syndicate nullsec.  I also got to run some Vanguard sites in an Incursion last week; you get silly amounts of ISK for completing those.

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« Reply #16 on: 04 February 2012, 11:03:03 »

I reactivated 2 accounts 3 weeks ago. I joined up with a corp and alliance that one of the guys in my online gaming group joined with some time ago. I can't say that I have gotten really back into the game as I have either been afk, or moving stuff around in empire and trying to get situated in 0.0. The point is to get one account to run some logistics for me in empire so that I don't have to worry about the, at times, spotty null market. That and to reinforce my ability to make isk. Of course, half a billion isk for 30 day gtc is insane and bordering on worthless if all I am going to do is make isk for someone at bullshit in game time to make isk to RL work hours put into the cash for the GTC.

I remember back when I thought 300mil was insane for 3 months of game time. If things go right, I might end up spending 60% of what I could make running at 100% efficiency in empire. There are plenty of orders out there, so its not that we are fighting for the few gtcs that rarely pop up, its not that the change to how they sell the plex cards has a real effect on actual spending since someone could just wait a month to combine their cash they want to spend and spend it the next month to cover the payment.

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« Reply #17 on: 04 February 2012, 11:29:59 »
What part of null are you in?

The corp/alliance I'm in keeps JCs in Empire space to run Incursions every once in a while to fatten the wallets back up.

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« Reply #18 on: 04 February 2012, 11:35:01 »
Imperial Ascension, which appears to next to providence. There appears to be a few CVA systems on a route I have taken into and out of empire on my way out there.

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« Reply #19 on: 04 February 2012, 12:23:11 »
We're in Syndicate (NPC) null.

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« Reply #20 on: 04 February 2012, 15:02:17 »
I play eve as well and have several accounts based in amarr.  Love crucible and will be moving out to null soon.

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« Reply #21 on: 06 February 2012, 18:12:11 »
Just as an aside:

Bling T3s are Fun As Hell. I wouldn't take my Legion into lowsec unless I KNEW I could get out safely but ******. Thing eats Angel Cartel L4s for breakfast.

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« Reply #22 on: 06 February 2012, 20:19:36 »
We're in Syndicate (NPC) null.

Then i got the EVE-mail last night that after a lot of discussion between our alliance and another, we'll be moving to a Sov-holding area - for no rent.  The downside, we are essentially folding the corps from our alliance that wan to go into their alliance.  No CTAs, though, which is good for my schedule.

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« Reply #23 on: 07 February 2012, 09:43:29 »


I gotta ask, what kind of isk per hour are you guys pulling? If its not something that can be turned into an hourly amount, how about per day and how much time is spent on it?

I am paying cash for one account, but have one other account active for most of another week off of a plex card. I have another account that is inactive. I used to run all 3 accounts off of plex cards, but the prices are absurd now at half a billion isk. That is an insane amount of isk for what amounts to 2 hours of min wage work here in the U.S.

I used to produce t2 goods, which would net me about 30mil profit per day, on average. With the current plex prices that would eat up 60% of my monthly profits. That wasn't a short amount of skill training or isk invested to get to that level. I could do L4s in empire and pull in 20mil per hour, on average. The other night I spent 2 hours doing some Sansha sites in 0.0 and ended up making only 20mil isk. I keep hearing people say that they are making a lot of isk in 0.0, out there, but I'm just not seeing it. I'm not in 0.0 for the isk, though it would be nice as it would allow me to buy and fit more ships for pvp, which is the only reason I got back into the game.

I got pushed out of the game when my old computer could not handle the shader 3. My computer blew up the day after christmas, and I needed to replace it. Now I can run 2 accounts without a gfx card in my new computer. THe problem is that I am just feeling sort of lost, that and any time spent in the game is either moving stuff to or near 0.0, or trying to make some isk to recover the cost of my move out there. A new raven, insurance, and fittings just didn't come for free. Also, my old pos set up got nuked when it had ran out of fuel. To get it up and running again would take most of a bil to replace and right now I am at a point where I could either keep the alt account going with plex, and have zero isk, or buy some of the labs needed but not have the alt active to make use of it. My isk making efforts in 0.0 so far have been for nothing as I am still trying to get out of the red from the move.

Any information that gets me tapping into this supposed isk flow of 0.0 would be appreciated, or any real isk flow that I have not mentioned that I am in.

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« Reply #24 on: 07 February 2012, 10:16:45 »
My understanding, and this is mostly peripheral in nature, is that the main ISK generation in null comes from running anomalies and/or complexes.  Also, missions in low/null have higher rewards than in Empire.

I honestly couldn't tell you what my ISK generation is, because my play times are irregular.  I also might be in Empire space for a few days, then back to null, depending on what's going on.  Our forthcoming move to a Sov-holding area is promised to be a lot better for ISK-making, as it will be a good bit more secure for the afore-mentioned plexes and anoms.

I have one active account that I have to use PLEXes to keep active, as I can only afford one paid sub, and that's currently SWTOR.

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« Reply #25 on: 07 February 2012, 22:13:30 »
Currently I pull about 200-300 mill a day but I run 5 accounts mining in the morning and manufacture with it.  thats usually about 5-6 hours mining. 

Right now it seems the sansha incursions are the most profitable thing in the game.  I run them occasionally and in fact my alliance is getting an incursion fleet up this saturday.  Doing vanguards you make 10 mill isk per site and each site takes about 5  minutes to complete.  In a good fleet you can easily pull 100mill an hour depending on how crowded the systems are.  Im not sure what you fly but lokis and legions are some of the best for vanguards along with machariels and nightmares (for shield fleets)  Logi are also always welcome.  I run two of my accounts simultaneously i loki and legion so make double money which is great. 

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« Reply #26 on: 08 February 2012, 16:44:33 »
The current word is indeed that running incursions in a specialised ship can land you a solid 100M-120M per hour, topping Lvl4 missions, belting and most 0.0 plexes (though good loot can compensate that from time to time).
As for me, I only have one account with a main and an industrial alt: my expenses (at the moment, a lot of interdictors... I'm a volunteer bubbler) are paid by participating in my corp's industrial activities, managing 0.0 POSes and some mining (it's done quickly with a group of 10 to 20 persons). Extra isks are brought by "inefficient" activities such as exploration (~ 20 to 40M an hour) and belting in 0.0 (~60M per hour) -but I take pleasure in doing them at my pace. In total, I dont' think that's enough to pay a PLEX each month, but it fits my play schedule (irregular), and the numerous CTAs my alliance throws around.

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« Reply #27 on: 08 February 2012, 20:22:23 »
The hell does CTA mean anyways?

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« Reply #28 on: 08 February 2012, 21:09:48 »
CTA= "call to arms", which is basically a mandatory(within you ability to actually log in) fleet operation. Meaning no hiding in station, minding, ratting, or cruising around in empire. Its time to get a pvp ship and join the rest of the fleet to either go on the offense, or to defend a particularly big movement of expensive but vulnerable ships, or defend a system from attack. Others include helping alliances set to blue that need help as well.

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« Reply #29 on: 08 February 2012, 21:34:21 »
Ahha, cool, thanks.

Been looking at Nullsec Alliances now that I got a JC in Minmatar Space.

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« Reply #30 on: 12 February 2012, 01:06:54 »
So, it turns out the alliance we were going to join has been shaken by the whole RA (Red Alliance) issue.  Our corp leaders are looking for a better offer.

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« Reply #31 on: 12 February 2012, 08:29:40 »
As a W-Space dweller, I don't follow alliance politics (I live in the ass end of Eve specifically to avoid it), what's this Red Alliance issue you speak of?

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« Reply #33 on: 12 February 2012, 15:57:51 »
Ow wow, so I got an EvEmail asking for my approval to put Chribba's Prayer (which I wrote) on a shirt.

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« Reply #34 on: 12 February 2012, 16:37:27 »
A big RMT mess.

It shows how prolific and accepted the RMT in the Russian Alliances is when the CEO can steal Billions to pay on his car loan and still get sympathy for needing to step down.



Ow wow, so I got an EvEmail asking for my approval to put Chribba's Prayer (which I wrote) on a shirt.
Congratz. Will you be getting a royalty for every shirt sold? And is so will it be payed in Veldspar?

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« Reply #35 on: 12 February 2012, 17:00:56 »
I said if they did make the shirts, send me one. 
I do like the idea of getting royalties, though I have terrible refine skills so maybe I should have them pay in trit.

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« Reply #36 on: 12 February 2012, 23:56:19 »
Wow, and i thought about getting into this game just to fly around space and blow things up, but reading that transcription is freaky as hell.  Confirms all the stories i hear how messed up EvE can be where the Alliance Leader jacks the treasury for personal gain... AND these guys seem to be cool with it

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« Reply #37 on: 13 February 2012, 11:23:00 »
Wow, and i thought about getting into this game just to fly around space and blow things up, but reading that transcription is freaky as hell.  Confirms all the stories i hear how messed up EvE can be where the Alliance Leader jacks the treasury for personal gain... AND these guys seem to be cool with it
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« Reply #38 on: 13 February 2012, 22:18:14 »
This is the sandbox MMO at the finest. Trust is the most precious commodity you can have in EVE.

This.

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« Reply #39 on: 15 February 2012, 11:55:00 »
This.

True. The only CEO of a corp in the game I have trusted was myself. The corp was never more then a small group from another game that have all known each other in game for years, and a few others that joined for a bit of time, but I know that nothing was going to happen like that. Recruiting never panned out because we couldn't get into 0.0 because we were never big enough to get into 0.0. Its that whole "must have 10 years experience!" but no means of getting that experience because no one is looking for someone without experience problem.

always make sure you have some individual assets in high sec, or enough in your wallet to get either a mining barge to mine, or a battleship to do L4 missions in. Assume anything taken out to 0.0 is going to end up in a pile of scrap and on someone's killboard. Assume the ceos are plotting to jack the money and run, but know at the same time if the isk isn't there, the ships for the corp might not be there as well, no caps = screwed. I've heard of desparate fights where individuals are just throwing out t1 frigs against a fleet of caps because either they had none of their own, or they lost them.

Trust that you cannot trust them, but know that you need to work together until they decide to betray you and you'll be fine.

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« Reply #40 on: 16 February 2012, 13:44:13 »
Yeh RMTing and botting among the Russian alliances is pretty bad and i wish CCP would do a little more to stop it.  There some in gamers that are starting a movement out of high to disrupt the bitting operations and isk flow in these alliances to weaken them so they get taken out by other entities.  You can join chat channel ESB_Intel for more info.  The organizer is frfrmpukin.

On an update Ive joined up with Fatal Ascension in Goon space and have been having a great time.

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« Reply #41 on: 16 February 2012, 13:46:55 »
Is Fatal Ascension pro- or anti-Goon?

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« Reply #42 on: 16 February 2012, 14:48:17 »
I live out of my orca, so I can pack up and leave whenever the hell I feel like it.  Yes, there's the chance someone might snag it while I'm gone, but since we need all (online) hands on deck for ops, if I am away from my ship, so is everyone else.  So far I am comfortable, dare I say mildly trusting of the current group, though I still have a bad taste in my mouth from my last WH corp I was in that fell apart due to corp theft.

Another side effect of living in wormhole space, is that I have supply caches everywhere.

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« Reply #43 on: 17 February 2012, 08:03:17 »
Yeh RMTing and botting among the Russian alliances is pretty bad and i wish CCP would do a little more to stop it.  There some in gamers that are starting a movement out of high to disrupt the bitting operations and isk flow in these alliances to weaken them so they get taken out by other entities.  You can join chat channel ESB_Intel for more info.  The organizer is frfrmpukin.

On an update Ive joined up with Fatal Ascension in Goon space and have been having a great time.

Is that the supposed reasoning behind hulkageddon? I used to harrass the players that were apparently automated groups, stealing their ore and bumping them from the roids to see if they make an attempt to move back. It just sucks when its a real person just trying to mine to make some isk, though.

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« Reply #44 on: 17 February 2012, 08:08:21 »
Had a little bit of fun last night...
How many dessies and frigs does it take to kill a BC?

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« Reply #45 on: 17 February 2012, 10:02:38 »
Had a little bit of fun last night...
How many dessies and frigs does it take to kill a BC?
Ah the swarm effect; 5 to 1. Those battlecruisers never had a chance haha.
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« Reply #46 on: 17 February 2012, 10:40:52 »
I have to say, as a small craft captain, I like the idea of swarms, but damn, got enough thrashers there?  They did remove (most of) the suck from the other destroyers.

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« Reply #47 on: 17 February 2012, 11:26:59 »
Cormie and Coercer are still hamstrung. Makes me sad. Cormie needs A! low slot. Coercer needs A! Midslot, otherwise the Retri does everything the Coercer wanted to do.

That being said, Catalysts are ******* scary right now.  >:D People have squeezed 700 DPS out of them.  :o


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« Reply #48 on: 17 February 2012, 11:55:48 »
I have to say, as a small craft captain, I like the idea of swarms, but damn, got enough thrashers there?  They did remove (most of) the suck from the other destroyers.

It was a for the fun of it roam.  Yeah, Thrashers are downright scary in gank mode.

I'm not necessarily a ship fitting king, but this one made me shake my head:  Passive PvP Drake?

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« Reply #49 on: 17 February 2012, 12:55:53 »
No, passive tanked Drakes make sense. They have almost cruiser levels of shield recharge inherently. The Drake has a poor cap (And that's being nice.) So active tanking get you killed faster. So if you can double your shield regen rates or get them higher then that, you wind up with a 300-400 DPS tank that can't be shut off.

Some of the RA Drake Fleets use this kind of fit, except they use rainbow passive hardeners. With L5 Shield comp skills and T2 passive Hardeners, each one gives you about 48% resist. Add in BC5 on the Drake's side of things along with a DCUII and you wind up with 80%+ resists across the board. Add in a LSEII and Core Defence Field Extenders, along with the shield rechargers, and a lot of similar weight ships find it impossible to kill you.

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« Reply #50 on: 17 February 2012, 13:13:03 »
I understand using a passive fit for running missions, but for PvP?  I use a buffered Drake that has ridonkulous amounts of shield HP:

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Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
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« Reply #51 on: 17 February 2012, 13:21:02 »
I didn't say it worked but it makes a certain amount of sense.  :D

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« Reply #52 on: 18 February 2012, 03:41:18 »
From my experience, shield buffers would be preferable to passive fits (with shield rechargers) due to the amount of alpha you may face: if you're two/three shot, no amount of regeneration will help you, unfortunately. And if you want some regen, you can count on your friends, the Basilisk and the Scimitar ;)

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« Reply #53 on: 18 February 2012, 12:37:05 »
self repping is something you learn is not going to help you very much in the vast majority of fights. The amount you can rep/boost for is going to be nothing compared to what you are likely to face in a decent fight. If you can boost/rep enough to negate the incoming damage, you aren't in a decent fight. ;D But , the potential you can rep for is going to be much smaller then new players might expect.

Either you are dead and had plenty of cap to burn to boost/rep, or you are alive. If you are alive, your sheilds will slowly regen on their own. If you are armor tanked, you can either dock up and pay, or have someone remote rep you. The buffer tank is always going to give you more HP in a fight without question. Repping leaves the question of how long can you live to rep? boosting/repping is great for grinding missions where you have that time to do so, but also the ability to warp off 99.999% of the time. In a fight, you don't have that option.

If you are in a buffer tanked ship and you get killed in 1-3 shots, a boosting ship would have had even less of a chance.

Oh and ignore the last guy's post, logis are likely to be killed, so bring either a remote rep or small rep drones for your friends. #P

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« Reply #54 on: 18 February 2012, 18:36:37 »
If you only have one logi, it's probably screwed; if you have chain logi (Basi or Guardian), they're a bit tougher to crack.

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« Reply #55 on: 19 February 2012, 14:51:29 »
A good logi chain whose anchored to someone will absorb almost ludicrous amounts of firepower. Especially if you have a Loki sigradius booster on the field. With a 50m sig radius or so, a lot of the Big Guns that would squish you outright would just plain whiff.

Or my personal favorite, the two active tanked Aeons who afktanked a fleet for three hours.  :D

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« Reply #56 on: 19 February 2012, 21:08:01 »
In recent news, my corp (via the alliance we just joined) are now blue to the Goons.  I feel a little dirty.

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« Reply #57 on: 19 February 2012, 23:57:37 »
In recent news, my corp (via the alliance we just joined) are now blue to the Goons.  I feel a little dirty.

I know what you mean. When I was in Sev3rance we were blue to the Goons when -7- was still up in Pure Blind & Cloud Ring.

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« Reply #58 on: 20 February 2012, 10:32:21 »
A good logi chain whose anchored to someone will absorb almost ludicrous amounts of firepower. Especially if you have a Loki sigradius booster on the field. With a 50m sig radius or so, a lot of the Big Guns that would squish you outright would just plain whiff.

Or my personal favorite, the two active tanked Aeons who afktanked a fleet for three hours.  :D

uhhhh....hahahha...what you say?!?! 3 hours afk tanking? was the fleet hostile or just testing things out?? :D

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« Reply #59 on: 20 February 2012, 19:04:50 »
Active Hardeners, especially A-Types or X-Types with two Aeons cap transfer+remote rep and in Triage mode? Back then, nobody really wandered around with neuts Just Because.

So, add in 90% resists across the board and getting repped with triage? Yeah.  :))

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« Reply #60 on: 21 February 2012, 05:31:32 »
Well, you still need to hide the presence of such babies from the Pandemic lot... Three hours is more than enough for them to chain jump across New Eden and happily drop dozens of MS and titans with Baalghorn support on their back  :).

Moreover, I don't think the two Aeons were in triage mode, as they couldn't have received any amount of remote before the end of the cycle. Looks more like a capacitor chain enabling the use of several remote reps on each other (helped by the ungodly high resists, as you point out).

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« Reply #61 on: 21 February 2012, 13:59:56 »
It's the possibility of engagements like this that really make the game for me:


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« Reply #62 on: 21 February 2012, 17:31:27 »
...Are those golden orbs explosions?
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« Reply #63 on: 21 February 2012, 17:36:26 »
Missile salvos.  The whitish-blue are player ship explosions.
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« Reply #64 on: 21 February 2012, 20:18:16 »
Well, you still need to hide the presence of such babies from the Pandemic lot... Three hours is more than enough for them to chain jump across New Eden and happily drop dozens of MS and titans with Baalghorn support on their back  :).

Moreover, I don't think the two Aeons were in triage mode, as they couldn't have received any amount of remote before the end of the cycle. Looks more like a capacitor chain enabling the use of several remote reps on each other (helped by the ungodly high resists, as you point out).

This was Back In The Day when people laughed at using neuts and Moms would sologatecamp lowsec gates. Some Nerfbats later...

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« Reply #65 on: 21 February 2012, 22:17:14 »
Missile salvos.  The whitish-blue are player ship explosions.
Soooo many missiles in the air.
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« Reply #66 on: 21 February 2012, 22:26:49 »
Soooo many missiles in the air.

Since most players group all of their launchers together, who knows how many actual missiles those blobs represent?

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« Reply #67 on: 21 February 2012, 23:19:12 »
Since most players group all of their launchers together, who knows how many actual missiles those blobs represent?
Exactly "so many missiles in the air"
Are they all rockets or the guided missiles are actually being used more in PvP now?
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« Reply #68 on: 21 February 2012, 23:33:40 »
Guided missiles have been pretty heavily used since I first started PvPing a little less than a year ago or so.  Rockets are primarily used on Frigates, and are short range, as I'm sure you know.

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« Reply #69 on: 22 February 2012, 05:06:02 »
Back when I played, the guided missiles were hardly used in PvP at all except in roaming gang warfare because of their non-instant damage (flight time from mothership to target). Rockets and their bigger cousins were used more often because they could do good damage and their flight time was briefer due to their very fast travel speed.
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« Reply #70 on: 22 February 2012, 08:17:40 »
Heavy missiles have gained acceptance nowadays (might be related to people realizing the drake is actually good at PvP and making it FOTM).  I believe cruise missiles are still somewhat maligned, though.

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« Reply #71 on: 22 February 2012, 09:10:32 »
Cruise missiles are considered "okay" for structure bashing, but are generally considered impractical for PvP.  Even with good support skills, their flight time and RoF don't make them a viable weapon system.

The Drake is a brick (as far as EHP goes), so its "mediocre" DPS from missiles and their delayed damage application are accepted, since they tend to stay in the fight a bit longer.  Winmatar is still FotM, since ACs can hit out to ridiculous range, even if it is falloff, and they don't use capacitor to fire, unlike lasers and hybrids.  Couple that with hulls that are among the fastest and most agile, especially when shield tanked/buffered, what's not to like?

Blasters are the preferred hybrid, because of their hull-melting capability.  Of course, the hulls that tend to do better with them are armor bricks that have trouble getting into engagement range.

Rails are still the red-headed stepchild, even with the so-called "buff" to hybrids that came with Crucible.  They aren't as bad as they used to be, but the general populace still doesn't want to give them a try, because their main niche - ultra-sniper, is really hard to apply in PvP.  Arty has much higher alpha, which is great for instapopping logistics, but a heinous RoF.

I'm not a laser guy, but one of their bigger advantages (to my mind, anyway) is not needing to reload, and pretty much insta-switching of crystals for different ranges.  I always see comments about "Scorch," the Tech 2 freq crystal for pulse lasers, I believe, that makes them pretty godly.  Lasers are pretty effective against shield-tanked fleets, due to the resistance holes.

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« Reply #72 on: 22 February 2012, 13:23:56 »
we took out a pos the other day that had ran out of fuel, then went after a territory marker, i believe, and I thought I had plenty of ammo. I was wrong. I ended up flying back 6 jumps, getting another ship, refitting, stuffing it with ammo I had to buy off the market out there, then back 8 jumps to the party. Not having to worry about ammo would have been nice and would have allowed me to do a lot more damage then I did. ALso, it wouldn't have forced me to basically fly around unarmed. >:(

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« Reply #73 on: 22 February 2012, 14:05:52 »
It's the possibility of engagements like this that really make the game for me:



"They should have sent a poet. So beautiful. So beautiful..."

I accidentally flew into one engagement that I thought was like the Battle of Endor. Turns out it was a minor, everyday, skirmish.

Someday, I'll hire someone to play EVE for me.

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« Reply #74 on: 22 February 2012, 14:37:27 »
For the uninitiated, I'll break down the color key:

Purple = in your fleet/gang
Green = in your Corp
Dark Blue = Excellent standing with you/your corp/alliance
Light Blue = Good standing
Gray = Neutral
Orange = Bad Standing
Red = Terrible standing

The symbol that looks like a moon eclipsing a planet, vertically, is a pod, or capsule.  Seeing that one the field generally means their ship has been vaped.

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« Reply #75 on: 22 February 2012, 14:39:37 »
It's not a real battle till the node stars crawling.
I guess now hat means time slows down or something.

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« Reply #76 on: 22 February 2012, 15:26:31 »
It's not a real battle till the node stars crawling.
I guess now hat means time slows down or something.
I say it is a real battle WHEN you can see at least 17+ titans just in that screen shot :P
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« Reply #77 on: 22 February 2012, 15:41:12 »
Meh, supercaps are like weeds these days.  I remember when getting just a few on each side was a holy crap moment for all involved.  Back then hearing about how BoB lost 2 Titans caused everyone to go O_o
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« Reply #78 on: 23 February 2012, 18:42:28 »
Yeah, nowadays, its dial "1-800-Hot-Drop"

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« Reply #79 on: 23 February 2012, 20:50:19 »
It's just getting stupid. Almost to the point where I want to see everyone reset to a noob ship and 5k isk. They can keep their SP but the implants have to go.

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« Reply #80 on: 23 February 2012, 21:08:53 »
I for one, would stop playing EVE completely. So would my entire alliance. We don't even own sov (Yet. Working on that.), and I can tell you right now the entire alliance would up and leave. Now extend that to the entirety of CFC, DRF, etc. and then EVE would be just as dead. ::)

And in a year, when everyone has sov again, and still have their skillpoints and what not and grind up, Supercapital production will be right back to where we are today, and then what are you going to do, reset again?

The problem with Titans is that enough people can fly them, and there's more then enough of a manufacturing base to support dozens of Titans and Moms per Nullsec Faction. You have Goonswarm and DRF's outrageous manufacturing capabilities, organizations such as Capital Constructions who produce everything for a living, the list goes on.

Except, instead of taking years to do it, it'll take a year as everyone has to madrush for the money to get fleets back up and running. Of course, you'll go into Nullsec and find real estate that's open due to no one living there.

As long as there's a market to produce Capitals, they will be manufactured. For Industrialists, they are the end goal. For Combat Pilots, they are the end goal. For Alliances, its the way you can protect your sov.

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« Reply #81 on: 22 March 2012, 12:30:43 »
So, 30 days ago, the corp I'm a member of (Hephaestus LLC) joined a sov-holding alliance in Pure Blind - "Get Off My Lawn."  It's been a good bit of fun, as the alliance members aren't all about "internet spaceships is srs bzns."  This doesn't mean they'll just throw ships away in a brawl, but don't get too chuffed about it, overall.  They are, however, a bit merciless in applying (good-natured) grief to an alliance member whose destroyed carrier mounted an LSE II.

Just last night we took a 30-ish man crew on a roam with nothing but Thrashers and 3 frigates that I know of (Rifter, Harpy, Merlin).

Results:

1st engagement

2nd engagement

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« Reply #82 on: 25 March 2012, 14:33:43 »
If you ever wanted to see what it was like to lose the equivalent of $6,200 in one fight, take a look at this battle report.

NCdot lost three titans in one battle last night.

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« Reply #83 on: 25 March 2012, 14:52:38 »
Nice Im in the CFC too: Fatal Ascension in fade.  Its great to see fellow members over here.  Sadly I missed the fight yesterday T_T.

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« Reply #84 on: 25 March 2012, 15:00:16 »
I'm in Get Off My Lawn.   O0

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« Reply #85 on: 25 March 2012, 15:45:09 »
Hmm. My corp of about six to seven guys is looking for something more interesting then Highsec. Who do we talk to potentially join. Mazrim Saidrian is my character if you wanna drop me a line.

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« Reply #86 on: 25 March 2012, 15:48:24 »
The recruiting post for my corp can be found here.  I am the corp recruiter, so you can contact me through the various means mentioned in the post.  We are a PvP focused corp/alliance, but we also do PvE, mining and industry.