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Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« on: 30 March 2019, 21:49:20 »
I have no idea why I never thought about this before but do the Clans use wet navy vehicles? If yes, are they SLDF vintage,  upgrades. newer Clan tech vehicles or a mix? Also who would crew the vehicles,  warriors, Solama , police?




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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #1 on: 30 March 2019, 21:54:30 »
I don't know if any homeworlds are water-rich, but surely many IS Clan-occupied worlds are.

Due to the non-expeditionary nature of water vessels, they'd probably be paramilitary and solhama use only.

As for what the boats would be: probably whatever was taken/ absorbed from the locals.  Probably a low priority to upgrade with clan-tech.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #2 on: 30 March 2019, 22:01:24 »
i would assume yes, but only where required. we've been told of at least one homeworld where there are extensive subsurface aquatic facilities, which would pretty much require submarines and boats to defend. (same world is where the diving work exoskeletons that inspired the Elemental BA were extensively used, both world and exo's being mentioned in the Undine fluff)

we're also told of the world of Roche, where stars of submarines faced off as part of a trial where the Diamond Sharks fought foir (and won) the plans for the Undine BA from the Goliath Scorpions.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #3 on: 30 March 2019, 22:51:57 »
TRO:Vehicle Annex Revised. P233

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #4 on: 30 March 2019, 23:18:04 »
I have no idea why I never thought about this before but do the Clans use wet navy vehicles? If yes, are they SLDF vintage,  upgrades. newer Clan tech vehicles or a mix? Also who would crew the vehicles,  warriors, Solama , police?

They have a very few mentioned by name and yes; as with other vehicles, principally crewed by Solahma.

I have two accounted for in my AU; so they were originally sourced from SOMEWHERE, but I have no idea where now.

One is a IIC-version of the Baleena and another is the Atlua coastal cutter.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #5 on: 31 March 2019, 01:10:52 »
The Pentagon Worlds have extensive ocean coverage.  Dagda specifically has installations, or atolls, as well as undersea mining.  If a wet navy would be anywhere, the Pentagon Worlds would be the place.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #6 on: 31 March 2019, 01:40:08 »
What's the source for the Baleena IIC please? Can't find it on the MUL nor on Sarna.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #7 on: 31 March 2019, 02:16:08 »
The Pentagon Worlds have extensive ocean coverage.  Dagda specifically has installations, or atolls, as well as undersea mining.  If a wet navy would be anywhere, the Pentagon Worlds would be the place.
That was the name i was trying to remember from the Undine fluff. My copy of FM:warden clans is buried, and sarna didnt include the name.

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #8 on: 31 March 2019, 02:50:04 »
What's the source for the Baleena IIC please? Can't find it on the MUL nor on Sarna.

It is two posts before yours.

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #9 on: 31 March 2019, 03:36:36 »
It is two posts before yours.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #10 on: 31 March 2019, 05:53:24 »
Thanks everyone! :)

So the Clans do use wet navy vehicles with solhama crews. It seems like Clan Goliath Scorpion is the main user of boats and subs although other clans do make use of some. It also seems like they make do with upgraded equipment. Which would kind of make sense since its such a small part of their military.

Is that about right?

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #11 on: 31 March 2019, 10:30:51 »
IIRC there ws something in Wars of Reaving that the Sharks defending Paxton (?) where they activated like 10 Provisional Clusters there were some Naval Units to aid their Undine Battle Armor. I'm away from my books or I'd source it.

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #12 on: 31 March 2019, 12:03:11 »
Imagine they might have Mauna Keas or Mantas, either original SLDF equipment or IICs, and maybe some homegrown designs.  This gives me some ideas...
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #13 on: 31 March 2019, 13:02:55 »
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #14 on: 31 March 2019, 21:38:31 »
I figured the SLDF would have taken boats and subs for expoloration, fishing, and such. And I can see the Clans keeping them for such purposes. I can see the SLDF bringing combat vessels in case of dragons and sea monsters. I can see the Clans defending their interests. I'm just not sure how. Most combat seems to take place on dry land. I guess that water combat happens more often than we hear about. I'd guess that the personnel would mostly be freebiths or Solhama?

I'm guessing most clans wouldn't invest in OMNI tech for their surface fleets?

Would the Clans use larger combat ships?  Presuming Kerensky brought any? Which I would think he would because they can operate for long periods. But would. the Clans use them or would they be,mothballed?

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #15 on: 31 March 2019, 22:04:40 »
Didn't TRO 3055 Upgrade mention an underwater variant of the Peregrine?
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #16 on: 31 March 2019, 23:37:55 »
IIRC there ws something in Wars of Reaving that the Sharks defending Paxton (?) where they activated like 10 Provisional Clusters there were some Naval Units to aid their Undine Battle Armor. I'm away from my books or I'd source it.

"Activated"? As with a reserve unit?
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #17 on: 01 April 2019, 13:37:08 »
Between Undine suits and all the -U omnimech configs, its pretty clear they recognize the need to fight in the seas and oceans. From there its just a matter of typical Clan dislike of vehicles.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #18 on: 02 April 2019, 06:53:04 »
They recognize the need but how often did it happen and how did they carry it out? The Undine and U-OMNI Configs are relatively new.

For example, the year is 3030 and Clan Fluffy Bunny wants to take over Clan Goldfish's Island chain on Krypton.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #19 on: 02 April 2019, 08:15:42 »
The thing to remember is that the Clans aren't stupid. They're very weird, and sometimes they do very stupid things, but they're not STUPID. The Omnimech is the pinnacle of a Clan warrior's possible equipment in-general, but they acknowledge the need for other, lesser units- thus standard Battlemechs, combat vehicles, even artillery (ewwwww). They may not LIKE using it, and it may be a stain on one's honor to be the one using it, but it still exists- because it has to. Not all situations call for an Omnimech solution, and there aren't enough of them to cover every job anyway.

Another thing to remember is that TROs tend to be comprehensive when it comes to Mechs and such, but it's not hard to imagine that there's a lot of solutions to problems that haven't made it to a TRO over the years- whether it's a one-off refit of a Mech on some backwater world, a specific upgrade to an assault tank to turn a particular one into a command vehicle, a few fighters modified by a merc unit to reduce ammo dependancy, a small production run of a light tank for a local militia... or a Clan naval unit.

So what would they look like, these 'unseen' naval craft? Would the Clans commit resources to refitting a Mauna Kea that came along on the Exodus? Would they produce new ones if they needed? Design something entirely new? (Not all worlds' oceans and seas are the same, so it stands to reason you'd build based on the conditions at-hand rather than commit to a cookie cutter approach). Maybe something larger, a Clan equivalent to the Jordmungand or something along those lines? (Again, if your world needs a hefty solution to waterborne problems...)

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #20 on: 02 April 2019, 08:36:29 »
Honestly, I could see some Clans building large ships, especially on worlds with a multi-Clan presence, or where the geography makes it easy for hidden Bandit ports to be set up. These vessels would likely be staffed by the lowest of the low in thewarrior caste(even police would see action more often), and equipped with crap guns(hey, a use for Improved ACs!), but they would still be able to deter ToPs for maritime goods either en route or in port.

Carriers are probably out because I can't see even the Cobras sinking the resources needed for one into what would still be a third-line unit, but corvettes or destroyers? That actually sounds rather plausible.
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« Reply #21 on: 02 April 2019, 09:15:33 »
The Exodus featured three CAAN regiments, so they may use stock SL designs and antiques.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #22 on: 02 April 2019, 09:32:44 »
Arrr matie.  What be forces be ye defending yon undersea platform with?

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« Reply #24 on: 02 April 2019, 10:13:19 »
Perhaps other CAAN regiments chose to stay in the Inner Sphere.  I'm counting only three that chose to go with Kerensky to the wilds of the dark deep periphery.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #26 on: 02 April 2019, 10:35:24 »
I know the 'if it works for your game...' answer sometimes rankles people, but it's true- if you want the Jade Falcons to have an aircraft carrier, go nuts and raise a green bird flag up the mast.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #27 on: 02 April 2019, 12:55:48 »
"Activated"? As with a reserve unit?

Possibly. The Sharks did use that "-1 testing" to keep extra warriors around.
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Re: Do the Clans use wet navy vehicles
« Reply #28 on: 02 April 2019, 16:46:04 »
Im sure if they did, its not huge like the ships in the Inner Sphere.
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« Reply #29 on: 02 April 2019, 16:58:07 »
Im sure if they did, its not huge like the ships in the Inner Sphere.

Size is not as big a deal, the limitations with wet navy ships is crit space.
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