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Liam's Ghost

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Popov III, the Sequel
« on: 13 February 2024, 19:26:56 »
Roumb boi.


Popov III Artillery Support Ship

Mass: 438 tons
Movement Type: Naval
Power Plant: 390 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 10.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 21.6 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     6 SRT 4
     4 Long Tom
     12 Light Machine Gun
     8 LRT 5
     1 Arrow IV
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3121
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-F-E
Cost: 55,775,555 C-bills

Type: Popov III Artillery Support Ship
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced) 
Movement Type: Naval
Tonnage: 438
Battle Value: 4,919

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                   44
Engine                        390 Fusion             69
   Cruising MP: 1
   Flank MP: 2
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                 22.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                            13.5
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    1573                 79.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   44       224    
     Front R/L Side        44/44    224/224  
     Rear R/L Side         44/44    224/224  
     Rear                    44       224    
     Turret                  44       229    


Weapons
and Ammo                            Location    Tonnage      
2 LRT 5                               Rear        4.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                   Rear        1.0     
SRT 4                                 Rear        2.0     
2 LRT 5                              Front        4.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                  Front        1.0     
SRT 4                                Front        2.0     
LRT 5                              Front Right    2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Front Right    1.0     
SRT 4                              Front Right    2.0     
LRT 5                              Front Left     2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Front Left     1.0     
SRT 4                              Front Left     2.0     
Arrow IV                             Turret       15.0    
4 Long Tom                           Turret      120.0    
SRT 4 Ammo (75)                       Body        3.0     
LRT 5 Ammo (96)                       Body        4.0     
Long Tom Ammo (80)                    Body        16.0    
Arrow IV Ammo (25)                    Body        5.0     
Light Machine Gun Ammo (200)          Body        1.0     
Communications Equipment (6 tons)     Body        6.0     
LRT 5                              Rear Left      2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Rear Left      1.0     
SRT 4                              Rear Left      2.0     
LRT 5                              Rear Right     2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Rear Right     1.0     
SRT 4                              Rear Right     2.0     
Infantry                              Body        6.0     
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Daryk

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #1 on: 13 February 2024, 19:39:17 »
Ummm... I'm not seeing how an engine that size moves that vehicle at 1/2? ???
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Cavgunner

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #2 on: 13 February 2024, 22:08:05 »
Somebody call a welfare check for Liam's.

Daryk: suspension factor is how.
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Liam's Ghost

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #3 on: 13 February 2024, 22:25:58 »
The record sheet is practically unusable. That's how ridiculous this is.
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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #4 on: 14 February 2024, 04:27:56 »
Last I checked Suspension Factor for boats was 30... ?
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Liam's Ghost

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #5 on: 14 February 2024, 05:07:13 »
Quote from: Daryk on 14 February 2024, 04:27:56
Last I checked Suspension Factor for boats was 30... ?

For superheavy naval vehicles suspension factor is tonnage/10 rounded to the nearest 5.
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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #6 on: 14 February 2024, 09:06:10 »
Quote from: Liam's Ghost on 14 February 2024, 05:07:13
For superheavy naval vehicles suspension factor is tonnage/10 rounded to the nearest 5.
Isn't it 3 tons overweight then...? 438/10 => 45 SF. 390+45 = 435?
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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #7 on: 14 February 2024, 17:36:23 »
So I wasn't completely crazy, then... ;)
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Liam's Ghost

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #8 on: 14 February 2024, 17:40:23 »
Quote from: Sabelkatten on 14 February 2024, 09:06:10
Isn't it 3 tons overweight then...? 438/10 => 45 SF. 390+45 = 435?

Possibly? There may be a rounding error in megamek lab in this case, since that would suggest it needs a 395 engine.
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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #9 on: 14 February 2024, 17:47:40 »
Revised to reduce the size by three tons just in case. I had to give up a little armor and a couple weapons. But I was able to add an angel ECM.


Popov III Artillery Support Ship

Mass: 435 tons
Movement Type: Naval
Power Plant: 390 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 10.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 21.6 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     6 SRT 4
     4 Long Tom
     12 Light Machine Gun
     6 LRT 5
     1 Arrow IV
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3121
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-F-E
Cost: 57,400,825 C-bills

Type: Popov III Artillery Support Ship
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced) 
Movement Type: Naval
Tonnage: 435
Battle Value: 4,903

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                 43.5
Engine                        390 Fusion             69
   Cruising MP: 1
   Flank MP: 2
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                 22.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                            13.5
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    1562                   79

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   44       223    
     Front R/L Side        44/44    223/223  
     Rear R/L Side         44/44    223/223  
     Rear                    44       223    
     Turret                  44       224    


Weapons
and Ammo                            Location    Tonnage      
LRT 5                                 Rear        2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                   Rear        1.0     
SRT 4                                 Rear        2.0     
LRT 5                                Front        2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                  Front        1.0     
SRT 4                                Front        2.0     
LRT 5                              Front Right    2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Front Right    1.0     
SRT 4                              Front Right    2.0     
LRT 5                              Front Left     2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Front Left     1.0     
SRT 4                              Front Left     2.0     
LRT 5                              Rear Left      2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Rear Left      1.0     
SRT 4                              Rear Left      2.0     
Arrow IV                             Turret       15.0    
4 Long Tom                           Turret      120.0    
SRT 4 Ammo (75)                       Body        3.0     
LRT 5 Ammo (96)                       Body        4.0     
Angel ECM Suite                       Body        2.0     
Long Tom Ammo (80)                    Body        16.0    
Arrow IV Ammo (25)                    Body        5.0     
Light Machine Gun Ammo (200)          Body        1.0     
Communications Equipment (6 tons)     Body        6.0     
LRT 5                              Rear Right     2.0     
2 Light Machine Gun                Rear Right     1.0     
SRT 4                              Rear Right     2.0     
Infantry                              Body        6.0     


(The record sheet is still basically unusable, but it's funny to me so I still attached it)
« Last Edit: 14 February 2024, 17:49:52 by Liam's Ghost »
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Cavgunner

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #10 on: 14 February 2024, 18:02:00 »
As long as we're going all-in on this nonsense, my OCD is compelled to point out that your heat sinks are unused.

Also, do the Arrow IV's need to be in a turret if they aren't being used in direct-fire mode? I could be wrong, but I feel like they don't.
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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #11 on: 14 February 2024, 18:20:29 »
Also, it seems the LMGs are the same tonnage as MGs but have a better AMS capability? ???
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Liam's Ghost

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #12 on: 15 February 2024, 19:46:31 »
Quote from: Cavgunner on 14 February 2024, 18:02:00
Also, do the Arrow IV's need to be in a turret if they aren't being used in direct-fire mode? I could be wrong, but I feel like they don't.

The artillery definitely needs to be turret mounted. It's essentially the ship's primary protection against aircraft, hover vehicles, and other surface ships.

Quote from: Daryk on 14 February 2024, 18:20:29
Also, it seems the LMGs are the same tonnage as MGs but have a better AMS capability? ???

Actually they have worse AMS capability. Their only advantage is their range in ground combat.

(Which is certainly not nothing)
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Daryk

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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #13 on: 15 February 2024, 19:49:57 »
Sooo... maybe use normal MGs then? ???
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Re: Popov III, the Sequel
« Reply #14 on: 22 February 2024, 06:47:49 »
eeeewwww, I hates it, eeewww

While I haven't crunched any numbers at all and I have forgotten half the rules as I haven't played in years.
 - 1/2 is not a speed I want anything to travel at - except perhaps a mobile structure
 - Big engines using combat vee rules are soooo inefficient, surely this could be done more efficiently with, say, 2x200T displacement hulls, or 4x100T
 - Am I right in thinking there is nothing that protects 1 hex naval from breach rolls?  So an LRT5 will sink this entire boat as easily as a 10T fishing scow.
 - At this size and with these limitations I'm pretty sure a Naval Support Vessel would be able to do the job better.  Sure you might have to use BAR5 armour but if it's going to sink to the first LRT that hits it does that really impact survivability?

Or am I missing something?  Surely there are more efficient ways to get this much artillery around the water.
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