BattleTech - The Board Game of Armored Combat
BattleTech Miniatures and Terrain => BattleTech Miniatures => Topic started by: Von Jankmon on 19 July 2012, 06:35:29
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http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/23436.html (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/23436.html)
This is why the other Robotech project failed then, Harmony Gold were already working with Palladium. The miniatures are going to be 1:285 and available next year according to the link. I hope they do plastics.
In all honesty if Palladium sticks to scale then frankly all told we are better off with the license to make miniatures going where its going. At least this way we get in scale unseen rather than Iron Wind Metals 1:whatever number we feel like. My friends Blood Asp won't fit on a hex, let alone fit in with the rest of his stuff. >:( I want my next Warhammer and Archer to do so.
However it does mean the Marauder will end up too big, IIRC the Robotech original was rescaled for Battletech.
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According to the press release they will be pewter minis. Of course it all pretty vague, so who knows ...
Cheers,
LCC
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It says they are 'approaching' metal manufacturers. The decision isn't set in pewter yet. We might get plasticated resin, in fact it would be a smart choice.
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It says they are 'approaching' metal manufacturers. The decision isn't set in pewter yet. We might get plasticated resin, in fact it would be a smart choice.
if it's really a smart choice, i'd have money that HG's insisted it's a nono. :P
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As long as they scale the minis so they aren't too large for the BT board, I will buy. They won't look any more awkward than my early sculpt Archer and Rifleman that are shorter than a lot of lights.
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While great news, some of the "unseen" designs are (I believe) owned by crusher Joe or Dougram. How will this affect the miniatures?
For ref: http://brianscache.com/unseen/ (http://brianscache.com/unseen/)
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While great news, some of the "unseen" designs are (I believe) owned by crusher Joe or Dougram. How will this affect the miniatures?
For ref: http://brianscache.com/unseen/ (http://brianscache.com/unseen/)
Yeah, it will be Robotech only. So no Locust, Griffin, Shadow Hawk, Wolverine, Scorpion, Thunderbolt, Goliath or Battlemaster. The Ost series won't be present either because they were modified.
Still, that leaves Wasp, Stinger, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Rifleman, Crusader, Archer, Warhammer, Marauder, and Longbow that might possibly be available (and maybe even a few LAMs?) Something is better than nothing, I guess.
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Thats weird. The Robotech: The Genesis pit already came out month or two ago....
Least there miniatures coming out, but i don't think they'll do as good as the Robotech: Battles game would have.
These things as we know right now is for "role playing" purposes. Not miniature table top gaming.
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Thats weird. The Robotech: The Genesis pit already came out month or two ago....
Least there miniatures coming out, but i don't think they'll do as good as the Robotech: Battles game would have.
These things as we know right now is for "role playing" purposes. Not miniature table top gaming.
Whatever the case, I'll give them a look when (if) they come out.
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Whatever the case, I'll give them a look when (if&) they come out.
that might be the point if they think BT players will buy mini's for use as Unseen units...
&IF is my choice. Hamony Gold is the sole reason Catalyst will never go forth to licence out for a movie/tv/other media (IMHO)... but that's another arguement asides...
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I think Palladium is counting on the mix of Battletech and anime fans as much as their own game fans to make this a viable option
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We'll just have to wait to see if Palladium manages this in its usual inimitable fashion.
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While great news, some of the "unseen" designs are (I believe) owned by crusher Joe or Dougram. How will this affect the miniatures?
For ref: http://brianscache.com/unseen/ (http://brianscache.com/unseen/)
Shadow Hawk, Griffin, Battlemaster, Wolverine, Scorpion, Goliath and Thunderbolt are from Dougram the Locust and Slayer I believe are the only 2 from Crusher Joe which never made any sense to me that these mechs have to be unseen because of HG? HG never had the rights to these shows for american distribution as far as I remember?
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Shadow Hawk, Griffin, Battlemaster, Wolverine, Scorpion, Goliath and Thunderbolt are from Dougram the Locust and Slayer I believe are the only 2 from Crusher Joe which never made any sense to me that these mechs have to be unseen because of HG? HG never had the rights to these shows for american distribution as far as I remember?
I had mentioned the Crusher Joe thing before, I know it's a touchy subject (but really doesn't make sense to me either)
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... which never made any sense to me that these mechs have to be unseen because of HG?
Now remembering I wasn't involved officially at the time, my recollection may not be 100% gospel, but my understanding is that after the issues with HG, FASA management said "get rid of anything that isn't 100% controlled by us." This included not only the Macross designs, but those derived from Crusher Joe, Dougram: Fang of the Sun, various designs created for the SNES Mechwarrior game, the IIC designs produced by Victor Music Industries for TRO: 3055, etc etc. Hence the reworked Nexus, Raijin, Grand Crusader, as well as the Reseen and Reseen IICs.
Not that there had been any legal issues with them - but to prevent any such legal issues from arising in future. Gives you some idea how much "fun" the Playmates lawsuit must have been. TBTB at CGL have carried this policy forward. Note that things do change over time - it was resolved last year that the original Ostroc, Ostsol and Ostscout designs from TRO:3025 were sufficiently different from the Macross Tactical Pod design that they were no longer Unseen, but that the Galleon mini based on TRO:3058 art wasn't different enough from the Galleon from Crusher Joe, making it Unseen.
Makes sense? (As much as anything involving HG makes sense ...)
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I hope that this deal/idea fails so horribly, that it would eventually lead to HG selling robotech.
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Now remembering I wasn't involved officially at the time, my recollection may not be 100% gospel, but my understanding is that after the issues with HG, FASA management said "get rid of anything that isn't 100% controlled by us." This included not only the Macross designs, but those derived from Crusher Joe, Dougram: Fang of the Sun, various designs created for the SNES Mechwarrior game, the IIC designs produced by Victor Music Industries for TRO: 3055, etc etc. Hence the reworked Nexus, Raijin, Grand Crusader, as well as the Reseen and Reseen IICs.
Not that there had been any legal issues with them - but to prevent any such legal issues from arising in future. Gives you some idea how much "fun" the Playmates lawsuit must have been. TBTB at CGL have carried this policy forward. Note that things do change over time - it was resolved last year that the original Ostroc, Ostsol and Ostscout designs from TRO:3025 were sufficiently different from the Macross Tactical Pod design that they were no longer Unseen, but that the Galleon mini based on TRO:3058 art wasn't different enough from the Galleon from Crusher Joe, making it Unseen.
Makes sense? (As much as anything involving HG makes sense ...)
Yes, thank you, no one likes litigation (well, except those making a living from it) Does sucketh what we lost because of HG.
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We'll just have to wait to see if Palladium manages this in its usual inimitable fashion.
Kevin Siembieda is going carve each one from a block of metal, by himself, by hand, one at a time? ;)
Cheers,
LCC
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Kevin Siembieda is going carve each one from a block of metal, by himself, by hand, one at a time? ;)
Kevin will plan on carving each one from a block of metal, using a plastic coffee stirrer he's had since the 1980s.. After three years, he'll talk to one of his crew about them taking it on. They'll then discuss the issue for two years when the crew member wants to use a Dremel, instead of the coffee stirrer. Then Kevin will poll the Palladium user base to see whether they prefer bio-neutral coffee stirrers or non-biodegradable Dremels.
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slightly off topic but... what imagry from the SNES game?
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See this informative link (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/MechWarrior_(SNES)).
In particular, see the "Grand Crusader" in the "heavier 4 mechs" image - the Unseen GC is clearly a relative.
W.
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Except for the rifleman, I like the reseen minis better anyways. Probably won't bother with these, unless they're *really* awesome.
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I always thought the unseens were battletech originals and the others copies. My first B-tech expirience was at 5 playing mechwarior 2 with my dad, and unseen marauder, rifleman IIC, and warhammer IIC were the mech designs. only 10 years later I discover they were unseens.
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Apocryphally, the FASA originals (like Jordan Weisman) liked Robotech/Macross, but wanted a grittier, more Western, less teenage-angst-ridden version. The post-apocalyptic movie phase triggered by "Mad Max" was another major contributor. The resulting beer & pretzels game was a lightweight compared to its peers of the time, such as Star Fleet Battles and Advanced Squad Leader, let alone the DNO series, but who's laughing now? ;)
W>
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Fang of the Sun Dougram is much closer to the Battletech aesthetic. Lots of deaths, tragedy and politics in play. Lots of desert and badlands combat. I am a huge fan of the show. I got a Japanese DVD set (all in Japanese, no english subtitles) with the whole series and watch every few months when I cycle through my anime sets. Don't understand a word they say but it's easy to see what's going on and with some notes from online I can follow alon gjust fine. The guy who responsible for the mecha design, also designed VOTOMS and Gundam mecha as well as the Brave series mecha.
The Macross mecha just fit in well with Dougram mecha and the few things picked up from Crusher Joe also fit well.
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They finished fansubbing Dougram a year or two ago (including the movie and shorts). Worth hunting down the sub files to add to your DVD's.
And besides, the BT-scale Dougram PVC minis are still cheap and plentiful enough, as well as the old pewter sets when you can find them. I was surprised how fast the N-scale ones went up in price even just a year after the latest takara rerelease though.
Except for the rifleman, I like the reseen minis better anyways. Probably won't bother with these, unless they're *really* awesome.
You only need them if you want accurate older era games or garrison forces really. And honestly, the old gals will probably be getting the primitive/dark phoenix treatment soon enough. And if they follow the Shad and Wasp in quality, maybe use some of Shimmy's latest work, I'll be as happy as a pig in mud.
Not that I don't still treasure my 1st edition pdf of 25 years of art and fiction. 8)
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The reseen marauder series are pretty cool. the II has a mean bulky look to it like a behemoth, and the IIC even has trace elements of unseen i its mix. the heavy one has the wild long legs and catapultesque feet to it
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side track here sorry, but the clip at youtube on the fang show had a Griffon and Shadowhawk flying from a planet to a nearby moon unaided, I want that jumppack !
J
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Still, that leaves Wasp, Stinger, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Rifleman, Crusader, Archer, Warhammer, Marauder, and Longbow that might possibly be available (and maybe even a few LAMs?) Something is better than nothing, I guess.
Um... I thought the Val was a FASA corruption of the Macross Valkyrie fighters, like the 3025 Ost's were to the Zentraedi Battle Pods. It's not a Macross/Robotech thing, I don't think, so don't count on them getting made if a deal goes through....
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Um... I thought the Val was a FASA corruption of the Macross Valkyrie fighters, like the 3025 Ost's were to the Zentraedi Battle Pods. It's not a Macross/Robotech thing, I don't think, so don't count on them getting made if a deal goes through....
meh. Admittedly, I've barely seen any Robotech. I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've fielded a valkyrie so it's no skin off of my nose.
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...And honestly, the old gals will probably be getting the primitive/dark phoenix treatment soon enough. And if they follow the Shad and Wasp in quality, maybe use some of Shimmy's latest work, I'll be as happy as a pig in mud...
I will be too, but where have you heard that this is in the pipes Sigma?
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Um... I thought the Val was a FASA corruption of the Macross Valkyrie fighters, like the 3025 Ost's were to the Zentraedi Battle Pods. It's not a Macross/Robotech thing, I don't think, so don't count on them getting made if a deal goes through....
The point is that the Valkyrie BattleMech, like the Stinger and Wasp, were derived heavily from the Macross VF-1. You should be able to proxy a "Veritech" for any of those three, or even mod it up slightly - in the Unseen Valk's case, IIRC it's just ten missile tubes and no right hand.
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I'll not buy a single one. I have no desire to give any of my money to Harmony Gold. Not even indirectly.
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Well Said Mr. Sharpnel. O0
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I think is would be funny to ask their rep at gencon when LAMs will be released.
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Um... I thought the Val was a FASA corruption of the Macross Valkyrie fighters, like the 3025 Ost's were to the Zentraedi Battle Pods. It's not a Macross/Robotech thing, I don't think, so don't count on them getting made if a deal goes through....
That is correct. You'll have to make some mods to a model if you want an honest VLK, and the same is true for the WSP. The Wasp doesn't have a right hand, either.
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that might be the point if they think BT players will buy mini's for use as Unseen units...
My thing is why, exactly, would HG care if people are buying them for use as Battletech minis/chess pieces/Christmas ornaments, so long as carbon-based life forms are throwing them money? Even the dumbest company knows spite will get in the way of easy profit...
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Companies are run by people. People make sub-optimal choices for poor reasons, especially where there's no oversight process. See: Madoff, Bernie; Enron; World, News of the; etc etc.
(Restricting to business examples - not politics)
As I understand it, HG makes its real money these days from LA real estate, so from their perspective squatting on the RoboTech rights like a radioactive swamp monster costs them nothing. I may not agree with that perspective.
W.
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You only need them if you want accurate older era games or garrison forces really.
Nah, I just proxy reseen minis for the older variants when I want to play them.
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Nah, I just proxy reseen minis for the older variants when I want to play them.
Wiser than I. On the bright side, I've been able to avoid cheaply made repros in my purchases...
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Companies are run by people. People make sub-optimal choices for poor reasons, especially where there's no oversight process. See: Madoff, Bernie; Enron; World, News of the; etc etc.
(Restricting to business examples - not politics)
As I understand it, HG makes its real money these days from LA real estate, so from their perspective squatting on the RoboTech rights like a radioactive swamp monster costs them nothing. I may not agree with that perspective.
W.
Nah, you're right, companies have done stupid things before (which in the interests of preventing a flame war, I will not mention :P ), but even then, when people are throwing money their way for product, I just don't see them looking too closely at what exactly the minis would be used for, unless it's likely to get them an unfavorable mention on the 5-o-clock news...
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I'm curious if like the current license Palladium holds for the RPG books if it'll be US sales only (Which only really prevents sales direct from Palladium admittedly)
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WOW!!! I have been reading this thread for some time. I find it funny that now ,they are coming out with this game. I can't wait to see what kind of minis are done. Now if they do minis for all three generation that going to be alot minis. Robotech is very rich universe. This game should come out in the begining, in 1985. Well let see what happen.
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This game should come out in the begining, in 1985.
Be happy it didn't or we wouldn't have had Battletech. BT's early success is based heavily around the Unseen, of which the Robotech ones might very well be the most popular...
An actual Robotech miniatures/board game would have had HG up in arms way sooner then when they finally did. And it would probably have split the Mecha community...
I'm curious what they produce, the quality, the scale, the range, the price, etc. Harmoney Gold and Palladium Games aren't my favorite companies, but that honestly wouldn't stop me from buying awesome minis... Stopping folks from buying minis is what unemployment is for ;-)
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I also Palladium isn't just going to make mecha but space ships also.
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I also Palladium isn't just going to make mecha but space ships also.
Only problems i have with them doing that is.
- They don't really have good combat ship system. The one they did for Macross II was half-hacked joke
- Their translations of big ships as oversized shuttles was another. Some capital ships may end up as fighters/shuttles.
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none of their announcements indicate that spaceships are planned. at the moment, they don't even have concrete plans regarding which mecha will be released.
they have frequently talked about a "book of spaceships" for robotech, which is basicaly an RPG suppliment for robotech that would include stats for all the starships of earth, the zentraedi, and the masters, but that book is on indefinite hiatus until harmony Gold gets them some concrete info and they can find a new writer for it.
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oh well, here's hoping they get thigs going on the mecha front. I want me some Super Valkyries
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From Kevin's latest Murmur...
We had several people tell us to consider making a Rifts® board game, and most everyone LOVED the idea of the Robotech® Tactical Role-Playing Game and other Robotech® game pieces. Everyone likes the idea of 1/285th scale too.
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Well even if they do the Tact. Pod Glaug/Marauder is going to be bigger than the BT counter part. I am in the process of building the 1/100th scale model kit and right now the legs are as tall as the Tomahawk I have from the old Factory set from Japan.
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I'll not buy a single one. I have no desire to give any of my money to Harmony Gold. Not even indirectly.
Agreed! I have my sources for nice looking unseen that won't profit HG ;)
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I'll not buy a single one. I have no desire to give any of my money to Harmony Gold. Not even indirectly.
I'll second that. All my unseen, once I return home, have a date with the dremel for destruction into battlefield wreckage and decoration.
And I'd hate to contribute financially to Palladium in any fashion as well.
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Legitimate originals are always welcome at the Alabama Consolidated Center for the Redemption of Unseen Effigies (ACCRUE)!
We'll even pay for transportation to our fine establishment!
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I'll second that. All my unseen, once I return home, have a date with the dremel for destruction into battlefield wreckage and decoration.
I'm confused by this statement...
Why exactly are you going to turn your unseen into battlefield damage? Is it a Demo Team thing? Because you can't play them, you're going to destroy them? Their existence does not benefit Palladium from what I can tell... Wouldn't it be wiser to sell them to interested parties, that want legitimate copies of the unseen, then use the money to buy something else... I'm just saying it seems awfully wasteful... Unless they aren't legitimate copies...
Agreed! I have my sources for nice looking unseen that won't profit HG ;)
Without asking for details... I shudder to think what that statement means.
Caz
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Well despite what some of you may feel about HG and trust me I do feel the same way I do plan on buying the mini's and I will probably be playing the game too. However I will not use them for Robotech perse I will create a Macross campaign, Army of the Southern Cross campaign and Genesis Climber Mospeada campaign :D
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I'll not buy a single one. I have no desire to give any of my money to Harmony Gold. Not even indirectly.
My sentiments Exactly! It'll be a cold, cold day in Hell before HG gets so much as a penny from me. :P
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Not giving HG or Palladium any money is one thing (and completely understandable), but destroying Unseen that weren't made by either of them makes abso-friggin-lutely NO sense what-so-ever.
If I wasn't so broke I'm lowering your (everyone reading this) credit score by being on the Interwebs with you, I'd be contacting you offboard about buying them (because doing that on this forum is a big NO-NO).
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You know what is funny and that something nobody has brought up. Monopolies... isn't what HG is doing considered a monopoly? And if I am correct.. that is an illegal action. They are monopolizing along with Palladium an anime universe for only themselves.. I have brought this up too regarding EA Sports and the exclusive NFL license they have. So why hasn't that been brought up in court?
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You know what is funny and that something nobody has brought up. Monopolies... isn't what HG is doing considered a monopoly?
I don't think the Anti-Monopoly laws apply to Copyright and Trademarks... The owners of either have the right to allow, or not allow, the use of their properties... Disney is a good example of a company controlling their image rights. And the NFL and MLB are trademarks.
A friend of mine once wrote a baseball game that MLB was interested in... But they wanted to have things happen like, "Player goes to jail on drug charges" and "Player dies as he drives drunk and kills himself"... Real world stuff that happens to players. MLB told them no way, and made them even pull the names of real players.... Because it is all Trademarked.
Caz
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I thought it did though. Hmmm well I haven't done much looking up laws and such about monopolies but I thought that something like this could be considered. Because things are still being controlled by a single group.
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No. Monopoly laws do not apply to intellectual properties.
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Without asking for details... I shudder to think what that statement means.
Caz
You can get official Macross stuff in Btech scale from Japan without ever even imagining a HG logo.
Honestly real Ral Partha unseen at LotB are cheaper though, and metal.
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I'm confused by this statement...
Why exactly are you going to turn your unseen into battlefield damage? Is it a Demo Team thing? Because you can't play them, you're going to destroy them? Their existence does not benefit Palladium from what I can tell... Wouldn't it be wiser to sell them to interested parties, that want legitimate copies of the unseen, then use the money to buy something else... I'm just saying it seems awfully wasteful... Unless they aren't legitimate copies...
Caz
They are legitimate, (trust me, I'd never, ever utilize a reproduction) its just that I can't use them at events, and now prefer not to even on my own tabletop. I just realized though using them for battlefield decoration still isnt viable if the parts are recognizeable, so I might just make them into a Christmas gift for some friends/collectors.
Having to repurchase and repaint the gaps in my units is a job I'll have to get around to, but it does give me an excuse to kitbash some re-seen into more primitive looking versions to create an earlier era look.
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They are legitimate, (trust me, I'd never, ever utilize a reporduction) its just that I can't use them at events, and now prefer not to even on my own tabletop. I just realized though using them for battlefield decoration still isnt viable if the parts are recognizeable, so I might just make them into a Christmas gift for some friends/collectors.
Having to repurchase and repaint the gaps in my units is a job I'll have to get around to, but it does give me an excuse to kitbash some re-seen into more primitive looking versions to create an earlier era look.
can i be your friend :)
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Update: From the developer's blog:
http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2013/02/you-wanted-pics-here-is-first.html (http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2013/02/you-wanted-pics-here-is-first.html)
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wow um...I believe they stole that pose from the re-seen Archer...
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wow um...I believe they stole that pose from the re-seen Archer...
And the Hammerhands on the current intro box has its pose stolen from the Warhammer on the original '80s intro box. Best not to worry. :)
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Interesting. A robotech friend of mine would love this.
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I'm sure the Artist thought it was "Cool" to add them, but as they are, there's NO WAY the lifting arms could open the doors to the missile pods. The best they could do is open the doors straight up, which still wouldn't allow the missiles to clear the doors. ;D But then, when has "Reality" ever intruded too seriously into "Big Stompy Robots"? #P
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● 1/285th scale game pieces with detail
I think this is codespeak for "Battletech sized" - as otherwise the Glaug will have to be big enough for a Valkyrie in battloid mode to sit inside it ...
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I am so looking forward to these. It will be interesting to see how many of these are purchased for use with other gameing systems
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How much bigger is a Glaug or Regult compared to a Tomahawk?
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looks nice, if its similar in size to the unseen I will be getting some.
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Destroids and Valkyies are roughly the size of the Zentradi pilots inside the Glaugs and Regults.
This has some comparison pics and data.
http://www.macross2.net/m3/forfansonly/zentradiheight.html
Edit2: I just skimmed over the linked article and I wasn't quite right. The average Zentradi is 10 meters, the Valkyrie in Battroid mode is almost 13 meters.
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Im actually salty about this whole damned thing. Been following the palladium site for the better part of 6 months keeping an eye on this project, being both a huge robotech and battletech fan i would of spent hundreds on this new product. And after being promised delivery and production heading into full scale mode, suddenly, "hey kick starter guys". ugh.....
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Update: From the developer's blog:
http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2013/02/you-wanted-pics-here-is-first.html (http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2013/02/you-wanted-pics-here-is-first.html)
Wow, that actually looks pretty damn cool.
Always prefered the cockpit location on the "original" Robotech version vs where it is located for the CBT Archer.
I wonder if they'll have a variant where the center bay is opened as well?
If it is in scale for Battletech (BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA OMG, did I just say I just type that!?!) I may have to pic at least one up.
Thanks for the link!
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How much bigger is a Glaug or Regult compared to a Tomahawk?
Got some stats from over at mahq.net:
Glaug (Marauder): 16.5m, 41 tons
Regult: 15.1m, 37 tons
Defender (Rifleman): 11.3m, 27 tons
Tomahawk (Warhammer): 12.7m (11.3m eye-level,) 31 tons
Spartan (Archer): 11.3m, 29 tons
Monster: 22.5m, 285.5 tons! (The guns are 400mm caliber, or about 15.75 inch.)
Phalanx (Longbow): 12m, 47 tons
Veritechs (all): 12.7m (as battroid,) 13.25 tons empty, 19 tons with standard loadout, max gross weight 37 tons
There's also something called the Fast Pack, which increases the masses to 19, 45, and 72 respectively.
As for the Dougram based 'Mechs (for reference sake alone):
Dougram (Shadow Hawk): 9.5m, 20 tons
Ironfoot (Thunderbolt): 8.9m, 30 tons
Blizzard Gunner (Scorpion): 3.8-10.4m, 29.6 tons. Apparently it can tuck its legs underneath for extra height.
Crab Gunner (Goliath): 12.2m, 35.3 tons.
Roundfacer (Griffin): 10m, 30.5 tons.
Bushman (3050 Griffin): 9.4m, 25.5 tons.
Bigfoot (Battlemaster): 11.6m, 27 tons.
Blockhead (Wolverine): 11.8m, 31.6 tons.
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Ok just out of curiosity why on the actual model for the Dougram Crab gunner they actually call it Tequila gunner? Will have to find a pic..
And it sounds like the Monster is pretty much a walking battleship turret
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because the Monster is a waddling Battleship Turret?
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because the Monster is a waddling Battleship Turret?
Until they turn it into a flying Bomber in Macross Frontier that is.
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Until they turn it into a flying Bomber in Macross Frontier that is.
Flying Battleship Turret.
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Ok just out of curiosity why on the actual model for the Dougram Crab gunner they actually call it Tequila gunner? Will have to find a pic..
THere are in fact two near-identical designs - one has 4 legs, the other has 6 (I had the kits once). Otherwise pretty identical. Can't recall which is meant to be the Crab, and which the Tequila, but IMO the Crab Gunner would be the 6-legger.
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Flying Battleship Turret.
Now thats a LAM I can get behind! :D
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I'm actually rather excited about this project. Mostly because I want a 'legal' version of the MAC II in 6mm scale. Plus as much as I love Btech and Heavy Gear I've been wanting a more anime style mech game for a while. A game where firing a hundred missiles out of your kneecaps as a teen idol singer destroys the enemy command structure with her love is seen as standard fare in combat.
Plus another source of unseens that's not a forgery is welcome for me. It'll let me finally try to do some posing and kitbashing without fretting over hacking apart my originals.
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You know its kind of sad all this hype about Robotech, if they were smart they wouldn't focus on the Robotech universe exclusivly but get the rights to do Macross as well. There is just as much info out there about that as there is Robotech, and honestly most anime fans who would be attracted to the game know Macross just as much as they would Robotech.
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Macross and Robotech are two completely separate licenses. Palladium only has License for Robotech.
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And the rights to Macross are complicated to say the least.
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complicated is putting it mildly.
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The Licenses are complicated for the original Macross and the music. Disentangle the original Macross and the music and it gets less complicated especially when you get to Plus or Frontier which only had one production company and since were playing with miniatures who needs the rights to the music? Plus Palladium could just use the Robotech licence for the original Macross designs anyway so the original series is taken care of.
Macross 7 might be a bit more complicated then that though.
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Ok just out of curiosity why on the actual model for the Dougram Crab gunner they actually call it Tequila gunner? Will have to find a pic..
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Crab Gunner http://www.mahq.net/mecha/dougram/dougram/f44a.htm
Tequila Gunner http://www.mahq.net/mecha/dougram/dougram/f44b.htm
Desert Gunner http://toyboxdx.com/datafiles/data/dougram/images/144-06.jpg
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Seven and Frontier are out because of Harmony Gold's license to distribution of all things Macross in North America and the current lack of dealings on both sides. Part of it is because Harmony Gold is really not in the entertainment industry, but is unwilling to give up their distribution rights all the same. Palladium has it's rights through HG who don't have the rights to the other stuff. Palladium can't just go to the people who do own the rights in Japan and seek permission without violating certain legal issues and contractual rights. The folks in Japan don't want to sell the rights to HG to import stuff, because, well just because. It's something of a Gordian Knot
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Ah... where's an Alexander with a sword when you need him?
- Shane
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What is the expected street date for this new Robotech game? 2014? 2015?
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=The folks in Japan don't want to sell the rights to HG to import stuff, because, well just because.
because HG has been so obnoxious about the rights they do have, and done so little with the robotech license it's rather poor business acumen to give them the rights?
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So Battletech copied Robotech in the 80's and got sued? Now Robotech will be making models in Battletech scale 1/285. Hope they scale well :)
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So Battletech copied Robotech in the 80's and got sued?
Not quite. In the early 80s, a company called Twentieth Century Imports got the rights to release model kits based on the anime series Macross, Dougram and Crusher Joe. They later subcontracted rights for these images to FASA for use in BattleTech, and TCI rebranded the kits as BattleTech units (and often shipped them with stat sheets for the game).
In 85, Harmony Gold licensed the anime series Macross, Southern Cross and MOSPEDA, and edited and rewrote them to make Robotech.
In the early 90s, FASA decided to make a BattleTech toyline to tie in with the cartoon. Among the companies who put in tenders were Tyco (who won the contract), and Playmates. Shortly afterwards Playmated brought out their own robot toyline called ExoSquad, and one figure in the line looked amazingly like a Mad Cat. FASA brought the matter to court. Shortly after this Harmony Gold and Playmates entered into some level of agreement, Playamtes began to release the old Matchbox Robotech toys under the ExoSquad banner, and Harmony Gold countersued FASA with regards to the Macross designs present in BattleTech.
What's important to note is that FASA and Harmony Gold independently obtained rights to the Macross designs.
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Having seen the Playmates 'not a Mad Cat' it seems a very good probability that they had their model makers produce one as part of the bid, or perhaps in anticipation of getting the bid, and when they did not opted to make some changes and make use of it. Something I can not fault them for, but FASA really had no choice but to take it to court, and likewise, Harmony Gold had really very little choice but to do the same. Of course the matter is in the past, should best be left in the past, and should Paladium ever actually release these minis, we can try and forget that last two decades of frustration
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Ah... where's an Alexander with a sword when you need him?
- Shane
I'm pretty sure that, in this case, cutting the proverbial Knot would require some billionaire fan to buy the companies in question and then send in an army of lawyers to sort it out.
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This could be interesting.
So without speaking ill of anyone;
May Palladium Games succeed at their venture.
( The Tomahawk that has posted images does make one wonder the possibilities. )
Don't worry though, I still like CGL and am more than willing to give money for product : Books, more books, still more books, PDF's, e.t.c. Whatever else I need or want still makes the list of " gotta have it - the sooner the better.
Besides I do not see Palladium Games making anything like a TRO series like how CGL does. 15+ main TRO's, 20 XTRO's and counting.
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Prototypes at GAMA!
http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2013/03/here-they-are-minis.html?m=1
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They seem large, but oh, the possibilities :)
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really hard to judge size, but...I WANT!!!!
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My gut says they look true 1/200, but I hope I'm wrong.
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They're claiming roughly 1/285, and there's been nudge nudge wink wink comments that they'll be roughly compatible with BT minis. I'd say that means the Destroids are going to be about the same size as modern BT minis, but the Valkyries will be larger (in Macross/Robotech VF-1s are bigger than Destroids)
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and that's okay with me. if i can mount it on a hex base and use it on a map it's an okay size. beside bigger models are easier to paint
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This is my reasoning that lines up with Lorcan.
At "true" 1/200-1/220, the destroids will be Btech scale.
Comparison between 80's 1/200 VF, modern 1/200 VF, and RP Phawk LAM.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/Sangdraxshadow/IMG_4901_zps519b0688.jpg)
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Hopefully they are successful, as I'd kill for Legioss and Tread minis
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Hopefully they are successful, as I'd kill for Legioss and Tread minis
The odds of anything not Macross-centric are slim to none. YOu should know this allready
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This is my reasoning that lines up with Lorcan.
At "true" 1/200-1/220, the destroids will be Btech scale.
At 1/285 the Robotech Tomahawk (12.7m) would be 4.45mm tall, that's only a few mm smaller then my plastic Warhammer. 1/200 or 1/220 would make them very big for BT... The Glaug would be far to tall for BT...
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Aren't recent Battletech miniatures gotten bit bigger since the original Ral Partha mini's came out. I thought 1/285 scale was pretty close current mini's size.
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The odds of anything not Macross-centric are slim to none. YOu should know this allready
odd since thier most current offering in video was clearly MOSPEDA-centric... i thought those folks did their best to distance themselves from Macross as well since nothing in Shadow Rising had anything visual to do with Macross... its almost as if the mins are like... well, jail bait...
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Palladium has already confirmed Southern Cross and New Generation as expansions to the game that will have same scale minis. So, yes, Legioss etc. are coming down the pike.
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At 1/285 the Robotech Tomahawk (12.7m) would be 4.45mm tall, that's only a few mm smaller then my plastic Warhammer. 1/200 or 1/220 would make them very big for BT... The Glaug would be far to tall for BT...
Glaug will be way too big anyhow. I use real 1/200 Glaugs for N-scale. And look at the 80's 1/200 stuff I posted.
The quotes around "true" are because they are making stuff around 1/250 now and labeling it as 1/200. That LAM in the middle is on almost the exact same size base as the miniatures in the press photo if they are really on 40mm. I think the Destroids will be just about right and everything else will be too big going by what we know at the moment. I hope somebody has the presence of mind to bring a ruler or something for scale to the next place these guys show up so we'll know for sure.
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odd since thier most current offering in video was clearly MOSPEDA-centric... i thought those folks did their best to distance themselves from Macross as well since nothing in Shadow Rising had anything visual to do with Macross... its almost as if the mins are like... well, jail bait...
The Macross saga is the most popular segment of Robotech, followed by New Generation/MOSPEDA, and Southern Cross comes a distant third. While Shadow Chronicles did remove or minimise as much of the Macross elements as it could, it's almost certainly a result of the legal battles between Big West and Tatsunoko.
Basically Big West produced the original Macross TV series, but were running low on money. Tatsunoko agreed to pick up the costs in return for international distribution rights and a significant share of merchanidse and funded an additional 10 episodes after the show's initial success. It was Tatsunoko who sold the US rights to Harmony Gold.
In 2002 and 2003, a series of legal battles between Tatsunoko and Big West asserted that Big West had the rights to the designs and intellectual properties of Macross, while Tatsunoko held the rights to the original TV series' actual production. As a result of this, while Harmony Gold has a fairly solid lock on distribution and merchandise for Macross, they've less of a legal standpoint to use the Macross designs in new animation. As a result Rick looked much older, and the SDF-3 was redesigned so it didn't resemble a Zentraedi cruiser even slightly.
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Pictures of the Destroids and Valkyries on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=136555336525031&set=a.126982504148981.22090.126968547483710&type=1&theater
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I wonder how much these things are going to cost....I can't imagine there going be inexpensive.
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Everytime I look at these, I get more and more impressed. But I honestly and really doubt there will be much of a crossover in scale for anything but the odd destroid and the Unseen. The Robotech Valkyries are just going to be to big for the Valkyrie, Stinger, and Wasp and the Phoenix Hawk may be close, but I can already here the people complaining that the scale just won't be perfect. What I want to know will these come prepainted and dissassembled or will it be up to the buyer to assemble and paint these puppies. I also wonder just what kind of game this will be as well.
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They would be foolish to not have these guys in the same scale as Battetech. The money is in the minis not the rules, and when another game system will use your minis...
Anyone else waiting with baited breath for a M.A.C.II Monster. O0
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Just by looking at the bases for the pictures above, these are not going to scale well with current production lines from IWM. IWM hasn't changed alot of their molds since they bought them from Ral Partha, which makes alot of the sculpts out of scale with their most recent sculpts that are closer to the right scale.
Although the Robotech miniatures look nice and seem to be well thought out, there is going to be a scale issue. Rifleman should not be the same size as an Atlas.
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Glaug will be way too big anyhow. I use real 1/200 Glaugs for N-scale. And look at the 80's 1/200 stuff I posted.
No it won't. Have you seen how tall the reseen Marauder is? It's 55 mm to the shoulder. That places it at about 16 meters tall, which is what the Glaug is supposed to be. In fact, the Old unseen Marauder mini I have, if it had its dorsal gun, would be 50mm tall, in line with the old classic Battlemaster I have.
That's not too big of a difference. Sure, it makes the destroids look small, but, it's spindlier too.
I've seen quotations somewhere of 40-50 mm figures. It'll work perfectly as far as I'm concerned, as long as they keep to that.
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Just by looking at the bases for the pictures above, these are not going to scale well with current production lines from IWM. IWM hasn't changed alot of their molds since they bought them from Ral Partha, which makes alot of the sculpts out of scale with their most recent sculpts that are closer to the right scale.
Although the Robotech miniatures look nice and seem to be well thought out, there is going to be a scale issue. Rifleman should not be the same size as an Atlas.
If those bases are 40mm, then those figures are just the right size. Maybe a little small, even.
The trend for IWM of late has been bigger minis. So I question if they make their mechs at the stated 1/285 scale anymore.
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They would be foolish to not have these guys in the same scale as Battetech. The money is in the minis not the rules, and when another game system will use your minis...
That's going to be problematic, BT messed with the scales in the first place. So I think it is far more important to be consistent in the Robotech scale then in the BT scale for the folks at Ninja Division.
No it won't. Have you seen how tall the reseen Marauder is? It's 55 mm to the shoulder. That places it at about 16 meters tall, which is what the Glaug is supposed to be. In fact, the Old unseen Marauder mini I have, if it had its dorsal gun, would be 50mm tall, in line with the old classic Battlemaster I have.
The 75 ton forward hunched Marauder shouldn't be taller then the 100 humanoid Atlas, and the Glaug is taller then the Atlas. The reason the reseen Marauder is 55mm tall is because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...
The advantage of the mess IWM has been making of the BT minis is that mismatched scales with the Robotech minis are far less obvious.
Also from the mouth from one of the guys at Ninja Division, it'll be plastic minis. They intend to start (with the KS) with the first Robotech War (so no Invid or Robotech Masters).
Everyone want/expects it to be 'BIG', but if Siembieda's ego butts in I expect it to be a massive failure...
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the only real scale problem will be with people playing miniature rules and 'if it's visible it can be shot' with terrain. otherwise the difference in scale will be so negligable for most people as to not be any sort of a problem. I am curious though about the plastic they are going to use. I know the injection molding that Reaper miniatures is using on their new Bones line is great for detail, extremely cheap to produce, but the molds cost as much as a car.
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That's going to be problematic, BT messed with the scales in the first place. So I think it is far more important to be consistent in the Robotech scale then in the BT scale for the folks at Ninja Division.
The 75 ton forward hunched Marauder shouldn't be taller then the 100 humanoid Atlas, and the Glaug is taller then the Atlas. The reason the reseen Marauder is 55mm tall is because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...
The advantage of the mess IWM has been making of the BT minis is that mismatched scales with the Robotech minis are far less obvious.
Also from the mouth from one of the guys at Ninja Division, it'll be plastic minis. They intend to start (with the KS) with the first Robotech War (so no Invid or Robotech Masters).
Everyone want/expects it to be 'BIG', but if Siembieda's ego butts in I expect it to be a massive failure...
Palladiums involvment worries me more....
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Palladiums involvment worries me more....
I wish them the best of luck, but you have ID'ed the weak link in this chain
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Palladiums involvment worries me more....
You do know that Palladiums president and lead game designer is Kevin Siembieda...
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You do know that Palladiums president and lead game designer is Kevin Siembieda...
Nope didnt know him by his last name lol.
But yea if it was ninja studios and cipher holding the KS id have more confidence. If they do actually see the light of day i have much money to give them :p
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These are simply too big for my taste.
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The 75 ton forward hunched Marauder shouldn't be taller then the 100 humanoid Atlas, and the Glaug is taller then the Atlas. The reason the reseen Marauder is 55mm tall is because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...
If you're talking the Old Atlas, then I'd agree. I have one of them. If you're talking the new monstrosity, then I don't see a problem. But, only final comparison will tell.
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My group will not care. I just want unseen mechs. As someone pointed out Pall. Books are not going to be runing the KS part of the project. That makes me happy. Not sure if anyone follows them but one of their own in house KS if you read their forms it did not come out so well.
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My group will not care. I just want unseen mechs. As someone pointed out Pall. Books are not going to be runing the KS part of the project. That makes me happy. Not sure if anyone follows them but one of their own in house KS if you read their forms it did not come out so well.
Refering to the still incomplete northern guns? Lol
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Refering to the still incomplete northern guns? Lol
Yes.
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Today on the Ninja Facebook page it stated that the Glaug Command Pod was going to be about 60 mm. if that is the case then the others should be close to proper size. Now if we could just find the license to do a game based on DougGram Fang of the sun and maybe get a kick starter going! ;-)
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You know, it's a little unfair to rag on Palladium for lateness. They've been late with everything they've ever done and compared to others on Kickstarter... they're in the middle in the range for delivery. Books are not minis and the creative process is longer, especially when the main author is also the main editor and the guy in charge of the company. Look at the Ogre kickstarter... it's delivery date has been pushed back and back and it started out further ahead design wise than Palladium's did and people have been pretty accepting of it.
As to the Macross stufff, it's good enough. It's better than nothing.
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You know, it's a little unfair to rag on Palladium for lateness. They've been late with everything they've ever done and compared to others on Kickstarter... they're in the middle in the range for delivery. Books are not minis and the creative process is longer, especially when the main author is also the main editor and the guy in charge of the company. Look at the Ogre kickstarter... it's delivery date has been pushed back and back and it started out further ahead design wise than Palladium's did and people have been pretty accepting of it.
As to the Macross stufff, it's good enough. It's better than nothing.
Thats crap. If you cant make a deadline dont post one. Look at blizzard entertainment, they work on a game for years and anytime someone asks for a due date they say "when its done". Palladium gets such a hard time becausee every week they issue some bullshit statement along the lines of "its almost done, its moving along fast, its coming soon" over and over. And when it comes to customer funded projects you best have a rep for delivering it in a reasonable time frame. Technically palladiun shouldnt be taking part in another KS projeect until the NG books are out.
As for kevin doing everything, hire more staff or take on what you can handle. I dont believe in making excuses for companies.
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because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...
which is a shame since there were guidelines :(
http://media.mybattletech.com/albums/userpics/10010/Battlemech_Scales.JPG
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well, Kickstarter is now live. Some of those sculpts look damn good. A little larger perhaps, but not so much so that I can't use them.
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The kickstarter project was fully funded just over three hours after starting.
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Wow, that's how to run a kickstarter.
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Lol. Im impressed.....just goes to show you if people are paying 30-50 dollars on ebay for oop minis they would definitly fund 70 000 in mere hours :p
The box set is pretty solid value.....
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Interesting...now lemme know when I can buy Destroids off store shelves. :)
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I absolutely will not contribute to this Kickstarter. I actually do try to consider who I'm giving my money to when I buy something, so why would I give Palladium or Harmony Gold a penny?
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Considering the speed of the funding perhaps Catalyst could use this idea for a future boxed mini project. I would buy into something like that.
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I don't think I've been as frustrated about being out of work at all as much as I am right now.
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Today on the Ninja Facebook page it stated that the Glaug Command Pod was going to be about 60 mm. if that is the case then the others should be close to proper size.
The Glaugpod (according to Robotech 18.1m tall, taller then the Macross version) would be ~63.5mm tall, that makes it BIG. But I wonder what that 70mm mini is they mentioned, could that be a Monster (22.5m tall would make the model 79mm tall).
It's already funded for $100k!
The 1 Warhammer + 1 Rifleman kit only costs $20, the 1 Archer + 1 Longbow also costs only $20! A single Marauder costs $20 ;-( The 2 Wasp/Stinger/Phoenix Hawk + 2 LAMs + 2 Fighter is only $25 (eat your heart out IWM!), the 6x Ostroc/Ostol/Ostscout is $25.
The $80 starter (30 figures) is a good deal, for now the $140 option less so (for now, add enough free goodies and it might be better).
I don't think I've been as frustrated about being out of work at all as much as I am right now.
I hear you!
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I can't lie, I have always liked Robotech and Macross so I probably will throw a few bucks there way. I am only disappointed there is no VF-1S sculpt.
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I can't lie, I have always liked Robotech and Macross so I probably will throw a few bucks there way. I am only disappointed there is no VF-1S sculpt.
Give it time ;-)
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Make that $145k with 32 days to go......not sure what the root of success is...be it robotech/battletech, ninja division, palladium?
Pretty insane kick starter
All thats left is the size!
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I'll but the minis, under duress because they are going to be pretty nice. And something is better than nothing. But I despise that my money will go to Kevin Siembieda and Palladium, and Some will go to Harmony Gold. But because of the licensing system I cant avoid that latter part.
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I am gonna be freaking broke between buying BattleTech stuff, and now the new Robotech miniatures game....
I wonder how much i could sell my soul for ;D
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I'll but the minis, under duress because they are going to be pretty nice. And something is better than nothing. But I despise that my money will go to Kevin Siembieda and Palladium, and Some will go to Harmony Gold. But because of the licensing system I cant avoid that latter part.
Sure, don't buy them. They're just little bits of plastic, after all.
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Well I threw a few bucks at it and discovered that there will be an option for a different head as a throw in at the 140 bucks level. So yes, the VF-1S is kind of available as a extra.
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I am gonna be freaking broke between buying BattleTech stuff, and now the new Robotech miniatures game....
I wonder how much i could sell my soul for ;D
Makes two!
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Is this game out yet?
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Is this game out yet?
Well the release date for the kickstarter says December, but of course not which year! (Looking at you OGRE!)
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I'll not buy a single one. I have no desire to give any of my money to Harmony Gold. Not even indirectly.
Bravo!
I prefer all the Phoenix stylings (except two) and have at least two more of each unseen (unpainted), so I wouldn't be buying them anyways
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I'm not getting these to use as Unseens, though if the scale was close I might use them. I'm buying them for their Macross origins . Plus honestly they don't look like bad mini's to paint.
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Plus, there's every chance the game might be fun
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Plus, there's every chance the game might be fun
you know, I hadn't considered that. I just wanted mini's to paint.
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I might pick it up at my FLGS but just because it would be supporting my FLGS
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I absolutely will not contribute to this Kickstarter. I actually do try to consider who I'm giving my money to when I buy something, so why would I give Palladium or Harmony Gold a penny?
*Sharpnel endorses the message*
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Would be nice if the RoboTech license acquire by Palladium games would mean that the Unseen could return to BattleTech, but I doubt that.
At least with the Kickstarter Campaign now, people have a chance to get quite a few of the Unseen Mechs.
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I absolutely will not contribute to this Kickstarter. I actually do try to consider who I'm giving my money to when I buy something, so why would I give Palladium or Harmony Gold a penny?
*Sharpnel endorses the message*
Do you consider who you give money to when you buy BT products? It's not as if everyone involved in that has exactly clean hands. The 'Exodus' wasn't just something General Kerensky did...
HG isn't exactly my favorite company, but they had an opportunity in an already messy situation and they took that opportunity, as a result they now control the Macross designs in NA. That whole Unseen mess you can land squarely on FASA's doorstep, if FASA didn't rock the boat we would never have had Unseen, we would still have had our Macross lovelies...
Palladium isn't exactly my favorite company either, mostly due to the owners personality, maybe he's a great guy to know but that certainly doesn't come across to the fans. But if a 'difficult' personality of a writer/gamedesigner was a reason on why you would stop buying products, we wouldn't have read books from a certain BT writer. Heck, I would think twice about doing business with Palladium and CGL, because both have a closet full of skeletons... And don't get me started on Topps!
Would be nice if the RoboTech license acquire by Palladium games would mean that the Unseen could return to BattleTech, but I doubt that.
#1 CGL wouldn't have the cash for it.
#2 Even in the cold dead hands of HG, no one would be able to pry it loose.
#3 I seriously doubt that Kevin would license the Macross designs to CGL/IWM, their main competition with this game.
On topic:
The free stuff for now seems to be LAMs and Ostscouts (as this is a BT forum, I insist on using the BT names ;-) , I just hope that one of the 'free stuff' stretch goals is a set of Rifleman + Warhammer and another Marauder.
I'm also curious about vehicles and infantry, especially the Zentradi Giant infantry.
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I'm not worried about Palladium or HG. The kickstarter has more than doubled it's original goal. this shows that there are more than enough Macross/Robotech fans out there to fund this. What I do with my money should be of no concern to you or them. I'm just stating my opinion on this issue. You don't like it and I'm okay with it. Just like you should be okay with me disagreeing with your opinion
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What I do with my money should be of no concern to you or them. I'm just stating my opinion on this issue. You don't like it and I'm okay with it. Just like you should be okay with me disagreeing with your opinion
I honestly don't care what you do with your money, it's yours to do what you please with. I also don't mind (or care) about your opinion regarding any of the involved parties, you don't like some of them, be my guest. But ColBosch acts as if Palladium/HG are the devil incarnate and he's with the side of the 'angels' (maybe Hells Angesls ;-), you endorsed his view...
I don't mind you two having an opinion, it's just not appropriate to spout your opinion at every opportunity. Or do you find it acceptable for someone going to church during service and shouting "There is no god!!! Your all fools!"? Regardless of whether I agree with him or not, it's just uncivil to do that in that location at that time. The same goes for a Robotech/Palladium thread about producing minis (and a game) of figures most of us have wanted pack in print for a decade or two...
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it's getting a bit heated here, guys, and I don't think we really need to rehash harmony gold's relationship to BattleTech again
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Palladium being Palladium, I'm not volunteering ANY money until product is actually out.
They're notorious for projects being late, or just not showing up, due to mismanagement and other reasons so my faith in them is a bit low at this point. I'll wait until the stuff hits shelves first rather then trust their word on this. Been burned before.
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Hell I chucked in for the lowest freebie package. Less than I gave for the IWM LAM Kickstarter and I should get some goodies out of it. I've gambled with more before.
But I'm not in any rush either. I may be singing a different tune if we're still talking about this in 2015. ;D
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Next stretch goal ($220k) the $20 Destroid pack addon for two Mechs will be upgraded to four Mechs in any combination of Warhammer or Rifleman (enough parts to make four Warhammers or four Riflemen). Four Mechs for $20!
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Twenty dollars plus the initial investment. What's the minimum contribution?
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$15 for a SE of Rick's Veritech in Battloid mode is the minimum pledge, then $20 for the Add-On Destroid pack (Tomahawk & Defender). Another $20 for the Spartan Add-On (Spartan & Phalanx) and $25 for the Valkyrie Wing Add-On (2 models of each mode). The Glaug is $20 for 1 model, the Regults are $25 for 6 models and the Zent Tri-Fighters are $20 for 2 models.
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Twenty dollars plus the initial investment. What's the minimum contribution?
It looks like it's a $15 minimum for the Special Edition 'Phoenix Hawk' (+$8 shipping outside the US).
But unless you hate LAMs and Marauders, a $80 pledge gets you a basis of 30 minis. $140 gets you 49 minis (probably more after further stretch goals are reached)...
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The box set with many, but not all of the bonus's included is at 140 though.
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Actually, looking at it, the minimum pledge is $1.00, and there's nothing that says that you can't put the add-on to that.
Hmm...while I doubt that we'll see this kind of momentum maintained all month, I think I'll see what's available towards the end of it. Even if it takes a long time for the stuff to show up, if I can be assured that I'll get some Destroids for cheap, I just might go in on this.
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Actually, looking at it, the minimum pledge is $1.00, and there's nothing that says that you can't put the add-on to that.
I wouldn't bet on that. If you klick the 'Back this' button you can pledge the $1, but you won't be sent anything. I really think that the $15 is the minimum.
Hmm...while I doubt that we'll see this kind of momentum maintained all month, I think I'll see what's available towards the end of it.
It's doubtful you'll see $154k every day, if Ninja Division keeps the stretch goals as interesting and reasonable as they are now, expect the KS to reach far, very far. But pledge early and what you want (and can afford), because the more you pledge now, the faster stretch goals are reached, the more momentum this KS has.
Even if it takes a long time for the stuff to show up, if I can be assured that I'll get some Destroids for cheap, I just might go in on this.
This KS is done by Ninja Division for Palladium, Ninja Division is a cooperative effort of the game developers Cipher Studios (Anime Tactics & Hell Dorado) and Soda Pop (Super Dungeon Explore & Relic Knights), both have successfully funded Kickstarters. But both of them have not yet delivered their product, I have no doubt they will, but Relic Knights is estimated to be six months late, so expect the worst! ;-) The unknown in this equation is Palladium Books, how much control do they have, who has the hand on the KS funds, etc.
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I might just ask them directly what the minimum pledge is.
This KS is done by Ninja Division for Palladium, Ninja Division is a cooperative effort of the game developers Cipher Studios (Anime Tactics & Hell Dorado) and Soda Pop (Super Dungeon Explore & Relic Knights), both have successfully funded Kickstarters. But both of them have not yet delivered their product, I have no doubt they will, but Relic Knights is estimated to be six months late, so expect the worst! ;-) The unknown in this equation is Palladium Books, how much control do they have, who has the hand on the KS funds, etc.
Eh, I can be patient, so long as I KNOW I'll get the stuff eventually. I'm still waiting patiently for RS 3057u, aren't I? :)
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I waited two and a half years for the Sling to show up. I can wait for this stuff too. Think I'll pledge later on.
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Shoot, look how late OGRE is running?
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Don't the Add-ons actually violate the rules of Kickstarter? The IWM LAM kickstarter had a problem of that they weren't allowed to offer extra copies of the base product.
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These are only portions of the base product(and some of them aren't at all), so that might make it okay. For example, it looks like none of the add-ons will include the game rules, so there'd be no way so assemble the base product from the add-ons.
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I am assuming this will be like the Reaper Kickstarter in that you can purchase, as add ons, extra copies of certain things that are in the base set, but not enough to build the whole base set Like Weirdo said. The lack of the rules alone could be enough.
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I am assuming this will be like the Reaper Kickstarter in that you can purchase, as add ons, extra copies of certain things that are in the base set, but not enough to build the whole base set Like Weirdo said. The lack of the rules alone could be enough.
Huh? You could just pledge 1x the Vampire level and add it multiple times (I did and others have already received their pledges). As far as I know IWM was doing something else that wasn't done, store credit or something (I can't find the posts on the issue).
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I had a thought on this Kickstarter project and it was this. Maybe Palladium Games sat back and watched how the IWM Spectral Kickstarter went and analyzed what worked versus what didn't. Then decided to plan accordingly. I see this as Spectral K.S 2.0 with more money. As far as Palladium's track record on product delivery, well " No Comment ".
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Yeah, you could add multiple Vampires, but I couldn't buy, say a ghoul level, and build the rest of the Vampire from add-ons but you could buy extras of Dungeon Attack, and the Orcpocalypse and the like, which where included in the Vampire
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Im giving the KS the benefit of the doubt because other companies are handling the miniatures/funding. As far as i knw palladium is just cashing in on the liceanse and handling some of the rule book.
As for scale i asked a guy o youtube who was at the reveal con and he said they were larger then a 28mm warhammer figure. He said in the area of 2 inches which is the height of my awesome/cyclops. So the stingers/wasps would be huge but theres hope
http://robotechbattles.blogspot.ca/2013/04/demo-pics-from-adepticon.html?m=1
Some cool playtesting pics. The scale looks hopeful. Especially with the taller then average battlepods next to the dice
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Palladium updated their KS page. Yesterday pledging $130 got you the game and all bonus stretch goals free. Today they defined "bonus" as a stretch goal subset. Out of 6 unlocked stretch goals to date there's only one free "bonus" goal. >:(
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I think I might pledge when it gets to $220k and the Destroid kit is doubled. That might be something I can't turn away.
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Palladium updated their KS page. Yesterday pledging $130 got you the game and all bonus stretch goals free. Today they defined "bonus" as a stretch goal subset. Out of 6 unlocked stretch goals to date there's only one free "bonus" goal. >:(
It was pretty clear to the rest of us that there is a difference between paid expansions to the KS and free expansions... There are only four unlocked expansions at this time, two of which are completely free if you pledged for Blitzkrieg/Battlecry ($130/$140):
$90k paid
$125k free
$150k paid
$180k free
The next one at $220k will be free stuff for a paid expansion, one can honestly not complain to much about the stretch goals or the quantity of free stuff imho. It might not be as much free stuff as the Reaper Bones, but those were 28mm minis, these things range from 40mm-70mm in height.
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Honestly I really doubt we could use the Macross Valkyries for Wasps, Stingers, or Valkyries and only maybe for the Phoenix Hawk at this time, even without the extra pieces needed to even make it a Phoenix Hawk. And I fully believe the Officer Pod will be huge in comparison to the current Marauder.
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Honestly I really doubt we could use the Macross Valkyries for Wasps, Stingers, or Valkyries and only maybe for the Phoenix Hawk at this time, even without the extra pieces needed to even make it a Phoenix Hawk. And I fully believe the Officer Pod will be huge in comparison to the current Marauder.
Good points tho i would say its common practice to play a BT game with full lances of unseen, i personally have never taken a warhammer without the rest of the lance being 3025, so in a full unit config a larger scale mini might work
If i was to take 2 warhammers and 2 marauders and fight a similar force of the new minis then scale wouldnt matter
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My oppinion is if they will fit in a hex, scale doesn't much matter. Sure, that Wasp might stand a litle taller then that Atlas, but so long as it looks good, and doesn't make the game more difficult to play, I don't care.
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Also remember that that the size of the Wasp and Stinger was ret-conned down signifcantly. Back in the day, the orginal TRO 3025 mechs were all shown relative to each other, and the Wasp and Stinger were as tall as heavies. Some where along the way in the latter days of FASA or during the Fan Pro era, someone got it in their head that lighter had to mean more diminuitive rather than less dense which is somewhat unfortunate as being scout platforms with their sensors mounted in their heads, the bugs would see a mission-specific benefit from being beanpoles rather than being shorter but more proportinately correct.
-Jackmc
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I have the original blueprints hanging on my game room wall, and yeah, the Wasp stands taller than the Warhammer, and the Locust is taller than both of them. It's all leg, of course... But it was more about armor thickness and density than actual height...
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I will gleefully buy the minis when they do make it out to the market.
Maybe.
Really it depends on if I can somehow reduce the number of projects I already have.
But not really... I'm going to end up buying them anyway.
...Squee~! :D
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I went Showdown level and then added $80 more to buy extra minis. I got to say, I am very excited about this. While I am not a Rifts fan, I always thought that Palladium had managed to capture the quick, cinematic feel of Robotech combat very well, so I have no fears for the game mechanics. Plus, the actual minis are being handled by Ninja Division which has a rep for consistent quality, and frankly the quality of modern CAD-bsed injection modled mini kits is unreal. Last week I bought one of GW's newest kits, and the design and tolerances were so tight that during dry fitting, I was literally able to assemble the entire model without a drop of glue. If ND does half as good of a job on these sprues, they are going to be incredible.
-Jackmc
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I think the minis will probably be top quality pieces. Probably quite comparable to the Hellbringer/Summoner pair in the anniversery boxed set, though perhaps somewhat lighter on the details as the macross mecha had far smoother lines then most current era Battletech units
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The latest update has a size comparison pic. The officers pod is huge if you were looking to use it as a Marauder. Half again as big as the VF fighters.
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just found some update pics on their main page, shows the Warhammers next to some citadel and P3 paint. Actually looking pretty good for those to be usable. WHR stands about as high as a bottle of P3 paint which is in the ball park forsure.
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got link?
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from the prototypes, I don't think any of those will be too big for use with Battletech. The Glaug however will be iffy. Depends on if you can adjust the arms and legs somewhat. Even then it will be a might large, but on a map sheet I think I can make do.
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From the pics the Destroids should be very close in scale to what we need and and the VF's while slightly larger may be good for a Phoenix Hawk. Still to big for the Wasp, Stinger, etc though and the Marauder will be just friggin huge I think. Vanquisher huge.
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Bingo.
Agreed. As a BT and RT fan im pretty pumped. Kevin also stated the MAC II/ behamoth is indeed in this kick starter somewhere. Scale is 3.5 inches in height lol
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I contributed 200.00. I'm a fan of of Both BT, and RT and haveing watched robotech at a formatitave age I'm happy to see a cool game come out for it. Now I've been waiting for NorthernGUN 1 to come out for almost a year. I dont not have high hopes of speedy delivery.
On the Upshot I can finally build the Old school black widow company.
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I contributed 200.00. I'm a fan of of Both BT, and RT and haveing watched robotech at a formatitave age I'm happy to see a cool game come out for it. Now I've been waiting for NorthernGUN 1 to come out for almost a year. I dont not have high hopes of speedy delivery.
On the Upshot I can finally build the Old school black widow company.
palladium has their name on it, but Ninjadivision is doing all the work.. so i expect a fairly rapid follow up.
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Agreed. As a BT and RT fan im pretty pumped. Kevin also stated the MAC II/ behamoth is indeed in this kick starter somewhere. Scale is 3.5 inches in height lol
Eh, I doubt it will beat the Justicar one.
At this point all I really care about are the freebies and the cheap destroids. Depending on how things go, I may drop away my main Battlecry reward and just load up on $5 Warhammers and Riflemen...and Archers and Longbows if they hit the same deal.
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:o :)) 8) Well they are over $220,400.00 right now after two days. I wonder how far they are going to go. I pledge SHOWDOWN and most of the bonus figs. Man this have been a long time coming. Later
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And now we may possibly get a dedicated VF-1S, even better its Roy Fokker. :)
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I really can't wait to see what comes out of the kickstarter.
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Imma wait to pledge on this. See what the best bang for my buck is.
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So what 'Mechs may we get?
Warhammer
Rifleman
Archer
Longbow
Wasp, Stinger, Valkyrie
Marauder
OSR-9C Ostroc Mk.II
LAMs
What about Crusader and Phoenix Hawk? They were in Robotech, weren't they? Do you think they may appear too?
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Now there hinting about the Monster, now that is a stretch goal!
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I don't think this has been posted, but here's some BattleTech and Robotech Tactics figures side by side along with some terrain.
http://www.burnindesigns.net/2012/06/robotech-battletech-going-small-to.html
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I don't think this has been posted, but here's some BattleTech and Robotech Tactics figures side by side along with some terrain.
http://www.burnindesigns.net/2012/06/robotech-battletech-going-small-to.html
damn you beat me to it. Yea the warhammer/riflemen are pretty much identicle size with the starter box thor/loki. Which makes them a TINY bit out of scale with most of the BT metals but still easily within "playable" range. On that note.....Warhammers/riflemen are $5 each atm.........
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Now there hinting about the Monster, now that is a stretch goal!
I stay calm.
I think that miniature was only in the first edition of Battledroids, so it has no big importance in today's BattleTech.
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damn you beat me to it. Yea the warhammer/riflemen are pretty much identicle size with the starter box thor/loki. Which makes them a TINY bit out of scale with most of the BT metals but still easily within "playable" range. On that note.....Warhammers/riflemen are $5 each atm.........
they'll probably be a fair shake more at the store, but i'm still gonna wait for that. i've never bothered to buy palladium until i see it in the store but i've.....heard things...
but man, those will suit me just fine, and i'm not sweating a size difference that minor for my whammies.
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I stay calm.
I think that miniature was only in the first edition of Battledroids, so it has no big importance in today's BattleTech.
But if you're a Robotech/Macross fan...
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But if you're a Robotech/Macross fan...
They should stay calm too.
After all, the planned release date is supposed to be in December 2013. Some complications may happen (we all remember the 25th Anniversary Box Set which turned into the 27th Anniversary Set) and the final date may be for example in Spring 2014. More than enough time.
But I admit that with those Unseens from Palladium such as the nice Warhammer and Marauder, primitive Shadow Hawk mini, possible primitive T-bolt and Wolverine II the situation doesn't look bad. I mean, although the BattleTech is not a WYSIWYG game, with those minis you can get something what will keep the spirit of Succession Wars and early 3050s game.
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Oh, I'm totally calm. But I can see reasons to look forward to a Destroid Monster kit other than the tangential link to BattleTech/Battledroids
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Oh, I'm totally calm. But I can see reasons to look forward to a Destroid Monster kit other than the tangential link to BattleTech/Battledroids
It's completely okay, I have nothing against the Robotech and its fans.
Personally I have some mixed feelings: On one hand I like those miniatures, but on the other hand I am not exactly happy with the fact that part of my money paid for those minis may go to Harmony Gold (which surely gets some licence fees).
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Sadly that's the price we pay. HG aren't my favourite company, but they are the only game in town, and I am an old-school RoboTech fan.
(Imagine if there wasn't such antipathy between HG and Big West. We could get a Macross-centric version of this, and then 1/285th scale Y/VF-19, YF-21/VF-22, and VF-25s!)
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I don't think this has been posted, but here's some BattleTech and Robotech Tactics figures side by side along with some terrain.
http://www.burnindesigns.net/2012/06/robotech-battletech-going-small-to.html
Those are NOT the Robotech Tactics figures, those were produced by someone else as 'garage kits'....
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The armoured veritech (Crusader) appeared once in the show; the Super Veritech (Phoenix Hawk) got a few outings, so we may see these down the track. The Super would need resculpted arms & legs, as well as the add-on boosters. The scale issue (Veritechs taller than Destroids) is going to be the interesting part.
I'd love to see the "Fast Pack" launchers for Veritechs AND the equivalent for the Glaug ...
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damn you beat me to it. Yea the warhammer/riflemen are pretty much identicle size with the starter box thor/loki. Which makes them a TINY bit out of scale with most of the BT metals but still easily within "playable" range. On that note.....Warhammers/riflemen are $5 each atm.........
A Robotech Tomahawk destroid is 12.7m or 41.66 ft tall. Which works out to exactly 1 3/4" at 1/285 scale without any kind of base.
How tall is a Loki? I don't see heights listed in my tech readouts.
The Robotech miniatures won't even be released till December 2013. How did you get to compare them to BT minis?
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I may try to scrounge up the cash to get in on this if the M.A.C II makes it in. But sadly I've spent way to much on other projects recently and need to save up for home repairs and other such 'unpleaseantness' so can't justify it unless I can get my most favoritest mech ear.
Also not to worried about Palladium's involvement. Pretty sure the rules won't rely to much on the rather old school system they use in their RPGs (which I love, but don't play often), and the other companies involved have produced some quality work of their own. I've also never felt cheated by their tendency to be 'to optimistic' with release dates so the fact the game is likely to not get to me in the time frame they currently have isn't a huge concern.
So feeling good about all of this so far.
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[copper] Guys Mod had on. [copper]
We've had several people attempt to link to an active Kickstarter and while the content is interesting, it is forbidden on the forums so that needs to stop now. Naming the kickstarter from here on will result in warnings. I'd recommend stopping discussion directly about it for the time being.
As a reminder please reference Worktroll's announcement about Kickstarter here: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,19383.0.html
edit: An addendum. Several people have also posted Veritech fighter imagery in the thread as well. I get the enthusiasm <insert "I'm a BIG Fan" guy here>. Unfortunately this falls under the unseen rule. As a reminder the only unseen stuff you can post is 1) anything on your avatar, 2) your own mini, 3) links. Official material from Palladium, Harmony Gold, and whoever the heck else has the license now is verboten.
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Sadly that's the price we pay. HG aren't my favourite company, but they are the only game in town, and I am an old-school RoboTech fan.
(Imagine if there wasn't such antipathy between HG and Big West. We could get a Macross-centric version of this, and then 1/285th scale Y/VF-19, YF-21/VF-22, and VF-25s!)
Got to agree, having a mini of the VF-19, VF-22, and the VF-25 would be awesome. Especially the VF-22, I have always liked the VF-22 for some reason. Maybe its the resemblance to the YF-23?
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A Robotech Tomahawk destroid is 12.7m or 41.66 ft tall. Which works out to exactly 1 3/4" at 1/285 scale without any kind of base.
How tall is a Loki? I don't see heights listed in my tech readouts.
The Robotech miniatures won't even be released till December 2013. How did you get to compare them to BT minis?
they did have some prototype's on display at a game convention recently. just the defender, tomahawk, and VF-1 mini's in their basic unposed 3D printed forms.
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A Robotech Tomahawk destroid is 12.7m or 41.66 ft tall. Which works out to exactly 1 3/4" at 1/285 scale without any kind of base.
How tall is a Loki? I don't see heights listed in my tech readouts.
The Robotech miniatures won't even be released till December 2013. How did you get to compare them to BT minis?
Theres a pic around with the prototype next to a 40k mini
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Theres a pic around with the prototype next to a 40k mini
http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/mechahot/20130420_162425.jpg
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I don't think this has been posted, but here's some BattleTech and Robotech Tactics figures side by side along with some terrain.
http://www.burnindesigns.net/2012/06/robotech-battletech-going-small-to.html
Those aren't the current ones which have been completely remodeled from scratch. They are Rule 12 prototypes from the first guy to try to work with them.
http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/mechahot/20130420_162425.jpg
This is real and modern.
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This is real and modern.
Having not owned any 40K minis, how tall would that picture make the stinger out to be? Say, compared to a common current IWM mech?
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I'd say it'd be about the same size as a modern heavy mech.
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Having not owned any 40K minis, how tall would that picture make the stinger out to be? Say, compared to a common current IWM mech?
That 40k mini is 32mm from the bottom of the feet to the top of the helmet.
That 'Stinger' looks about 45mm tall, that 'Oststol' looks about 65-70mm tall.
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Having not owned any 40K minis, how tall would that picture make the stinger out to be? Say, compared to a common current IWM mech?
Did the math yesterday. 45.6mm tall, about '86 Atlas-sized.
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The veritech is about the same height ss my starter box cyclops. I have space marines and their helmet is about shoulder level with the BT mini
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Some of these things, if they stay with the prototype size, are going to be WAY bigger than even the DA minis. You couldn't even use them for non hex combat because of the size difference. Well, we couldn't because we do true los combat.
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The Destroids will be similar in size to BattleTech unseen - maybe a little bigger, and the VF-1s will be a bit bigger again, as they're bigger in Macross/Robotech than they are in BattleTech. The Regult and Glaug and Destroid Monster (if it gets made) will be bigger still, but again because they're bigger in the source material.
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BattleTech isn't like CAV or Heavy Gear, we don't get told how tall a unit is supposed to be if it was real. BT mechs are all over the place in size anyway, so I don't understand the "they're too big to use" statement (except if all one has are the Battle Force scale minis).
And I second the look at some 15mm manufacturers to see how redonkulous the "it has to be bigger to get the detail" statement is. I won't link to their websites, but here are some companies to look for: Khurasan Miniatures, GZG, Critical Mass Games, Copplestone Castings and Rebel Minis.
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That 40k mini is 32mm from the bottom of the feet to the top of the helmet.
That 'Stinger' looks about 45mm tall, that 'Oststol' looks about 65-70mm tall.
Thanks! Looks like they may make better crusaders than stingers :)
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The Armoured Veritech will be even bigger/bulkier ... :(
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Locked due to continued reference to active kickstarters.