Author Topic: Robotech licence to produce miniatures sold to Palladium Games - Unseen soon? (Read 43968 times)

Daemion · « **Reply #120 on:** 30 March 2013, 12:52:39 »

Quote from: davitch on 29 March 2013, 10:50:55

Just by looking at the bases for the pictures above, these are not going to scale well with current production lines from IWM. IWM hasn't changed alot of their molds since they bought them from Ral Partha, which makes alot of the sculpts out of scale with their most recent sculpts that are closer to the right scale.

Although the Robotech miniatures look nice and seem to be well thought out, there is going to be a scale issue. Rifleman should not be the same size as an Atlas.

If those bases are 40mm, then those figures are just the right size. Maybe a little small, even.

The trend for IWM of late has been bigger minis. So I question if they make their mechs at the stated 1/285 scale anymore.

Cergorach · « **Reply #121 on:** 30 March 2013, 17:36:59 »

Quote from: The_head_of_Neal on 28 March 2013, 22:20:18

They would be foolish to not have these guys in the same scale as Battetech. The money is in the minis not the rules, and when another game system will use your minis...

That's going to be problematic, BT messed with the scales in the first place. So I think it is far more important to be consistent in the Robotech scale then in the BT scale for the folks at Ninja Division.

Quote from: Daemion on 30 March 2013, 12:47:51

No it won't. Have you seen how tall the reseen Marauder is? It's 55 mm to the shoulder. That places it at about 16 meters tall, which is what the Glaug is supposed to be. In fact, the Old unseen Marauder mini I have, if it had its dorsal gun, would be 50mm tall, in line with the old classic Battlemaster I have.

The 75 ton forward hunched Marauder shouldn't be taller then the 100 humanoid Atlas, and the Glaug is taller then the Atlas. The reason the reseen Marauder is 55mm tall is because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...

The advantage of the mess IWM has been making of the BT minis is that mismatched scales with the Robotech minis are far less obvious.

Also from the mouth from one of the guys at Ninja Division, it'll be plastic minis. They intend to start (with the KS) with the first Robotech War (so no Invid or Robotech Masters).

Everyone want/expects it to be 'BIG', but if Siembieda's ego butts in I expect it to be a massive failure...

ShadowRaven · « **Reply #122 on:** 30 March 2013, 20:29:27 »

the only real scale problem will be with people playing miniature rules and 'if it's visible it can be shot' with terrain. otherwise the difference in scale will be so negligable for most people as to not be any sort of a problem. I am curious though about the plastic they are going to use. I know the injection molding that Reaper miniatures is using on their new Bones line is great for detail, extremely cheap to produce, but the molds cost as much as a car.

SteelWarrior · « **Reply #123 on:** 01 April 2013, 23:52:57 »

Quote from: Cergorach on 30 March 2013, 17:36:59

That's going to be problematic, BT messed with the scales in the first place. So I think it is far more important to be consistent in the Robotech scale then in the BT scale for the folks at Ninja Division.
The 75 ton forward hunched Marauder shouldn't be taller then the 100 humanoid Atlas, and the Glaug is taller then the Atlas. The reason the reseen Marauder is 55mm tall is because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...

The advantage of the mess IWM has been making of the BT minis is that mismatched scales with the Robotech minis are far less obvious.

Also from the mouth from one of the guys at Ninja Division, it'll be plastic minis. They intend to start (with the KS) with the first Robotech War (so no Invid or Robotech Masters).

Everyone want/expects it to be 'BIG', but if Siembieda's ego butts in I expect it to be a massive failure...

Palladiums involvment worries me more....

The_head_of_Neal · « **Reply #124 on:** 02 April 2013, 12:56:06 »

Quote from: SteelWarrior on 01 April 2013, 23:52:57

Palladiums involvment worries me more....

I wish them the best of luck, but you have ID'ed the weak link in this chain

Cergorach · « **Reply #125 on:** 02 April 2013, 18:13:21 »

Quote from: SteelWarrior on 01 April 2013, 23:52:57

Palladiums involvment worries me more....

You do know that Palladiums president and lead game designer is Kevin Siembieda...

SteelWarrior · « **Reply #126 on:** 02 April 2013, 18:29:19 »

Quote from: Cergorach on 02 April 2013, 18:13:21

You do know that Palladiums president and lead game designer is Kevin Siembieda...

Nope didnt know him by his last name lol.

But yea if it was ninja studios and cipher holding the KS id have more confidence. If they do actually see the light of day i have much money to give them :p

Alex Keller · « **Reply #127 on:** 03 April 2013, 09:43:20 »

These are simply too big for my taste.

Daemion · « **Reply #128 on:** 06 April 2013, 14:49:42 »

Quote from: Cergorach on 30 March 2013, 17:36:59

The 75 ton forward hunched Marauder shouldn't be taller then the 100 humanoid Atlas, and the Glaug is taller then the Atlas. The reason the reseen Marauder is 55mm tall is because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...

If you're talking the Old Atlas, then I'd agree. I have one of them. If you're talking the new monstrosity, then I don't see a problem. But, only final comparison will tell.

MOrab46019 · « **Reply #129 on:** 09 April 2013, 02:28:20 »

My group will not care. I just want unseen mechs. As someone pointed out Pall. Books are not going to be runing the KS part of the project. That makes me happy. Not sure if anyone follows them but one of their own in house KS if you read their forms it did not come out so well.

SteelWarrior · « **Reply #130 on:** 09 April 2013, 09:40:53 »

Quote from: MOrab46019 on 09 April 2013, 02:28:20

My group will not care. I just want unseen mechs. As someone pointed out Pall. Books are not going to be runing the KS part of the project. That makes me happy. Not sure if anyone follows them but one of their own in house KS if you read their forms it did not come out so well.

Refering to the still incomplete northern guns? Lol

MOrab46019 · « **Reply #131 on:** 11 April 2013, 05:28:12 »

Quote from: SteelWarrior on 09 April 2013, 09:40:53

Refering to the still incomplete northern guns? Lol

Yes.

wolfspider · « **Reply #132 on:** 15 April 2013, 21:08:24 »

Today on the Ninja Facebook page it stated that the Glaug Command Pod was going to be about 60 mm. if that is the case then the others should be close to proper size. Now if we could just find the license to do a game based on DougGram Fang of the sun and maybe get a kick starter going! ;-)

Terminax · « **Reply #133 on:** 15 April 2013, 21:46:40 »

You know, it's a little unfair to rag on Palladium for lateness. They've been late with everything they've ever done and compared to others on Kickstarter... they're in the middle in the range for delivery. Books are not minis and the creative process is longer, especially when the main author is also the main editor and the guy in charge of the company. Look at the Ogre kickstarter... it's delivery date has been pushed back and back and it started out further ahead design wise than Palladium's did and people have been pretty accepting of it.

As to the Macross stufff, it's good enough. It's better than nothing.

SteelWarrior · « **Reply #134 on:** 16 April 2013, 15:24:41 »

Quote from: Terminax on 15 April 2013, 21:46:40

You know, it's a little unfair to rag on Palladium for lateness. They've been late with everything they've ever done and compared to others on Kickstarter... they're in the middle in the range for delivery. Books are not minis and the creative process is longer, especially when the main author is also the main editor and the guy in charge of the company. Look at the Ogre kickstarter... it's delivery date has been pushed back and back and it started out further ahead design wise than Palladium's did and people have been pretty accepting of it.

As to the Macross stufff, it's good enough. It's better than nothing.

Thats crap. If you cant make a deadline dont post one. Look at blizzard entertainment, they work on a game for years and anytime someone asks for a due date they say "when its done". Palladium gets such a hard time becausee every week they issue some bullshit statement along the lines of "its almost done, its moving along fast, its coming soon" over and over. And when it comes to customer funded projects you best have a rep for delivering it in a reasonable time frame. Technically palladiun shouldnt be taking part in another KS projeect until the NG books are out.

As for kevin doing everything, hire more staff or take on what you can handle. I dont believe in making excuses for companies.

Rommel_Twee · « **Reply #135 on:** 17 April 2013, 11:04:22 »

Quote from: Cergorach on 30 March 2013, 17:36:59

because IWM can't sculpt to scale if their life depended on it, and FASA/Fanpro/CGL never bothered to create consistent sizes for the Mechs in the first place...

which is a shame since there were guidelines :(
http://media.mybattletech.com/albums/userpics/10010/Battlemech_Scales.JPG

ShadowRaven · « **Reply #136 on:** 18 April 2013, 11:15:49 »

well, Kickstarter is now live. Some of those sculpts look damn good. A little larger perhaps, but not so much so that I can't use them.

hive_angel · « **Reply #137 on:** 18 April 2013, 13:26:56 »

The kickstarter project was fully funded just over three hours after starting.

serrate · « **Reply #138 on:** 18 April 2013, 13:37:07 »

Wow, that's how to run a kickstarter.

SteelWarrior · « **Reply #139 on:** 18 April 2013, 13:48:03 »

Lol. Im impressed.....just goes to show you if people are paying 30-50 dollars on ebay for oop minis they would definitly fund 70 000 in mere hours :p

The box set is pretty solid value.....

Weirdo · « **Reply #140 on:** 18 April 2013, 13:49:20 »

Interesting...now lemme know when I can buy Destroids off store shelves. :)

ColBosch · « **Reply #141 on:** 18 April 2013, 14:05:06 »

I absolutely will not contribute to this Kickstarter. I actually do try to consider who I'm giving my money to when I buy something, so why would I give Palladium or Harmony Gold a penny?

hive_angel · « **Reply #142 on:** 18 April 2013, 15:09:13 »

Considering the speed of the funding perhaps Catalyst could use this idea for a future boxed mini project. I would buy into something like that.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #143 on:** 18 April 2013, 15:39:55 »

I don't think I've been as frustrated about being out of work at all as much as I am right now.

Cergorach · « **Reply #144 on:** 18 April 2013, 15:44:23 »

Quote from: wolfspider on 15 April 2013, 21:08:24

Today on the Ninja Facebook page it stated that the Glaug Command Pod was going to be about 60 mm. if that is the case then the others should be close to proper size.

The Glaugpod (according to Robotech 18.1m tall, taller then the Macross version) would be ~63.5mm tall, that makes it BIG. But I wonder what that 70mm mini is they mentioned, could that be a Monster (22.5m tall would make the model 79mm tall).

It's already funded for $100k!

The 1 Warhammer + 1 Rifleman kit only costs $20, the 1 Archer + 1 Longbow also costs only $20! A single Marauder costs $20 ;-( The 2 Wasp/Stinger/Phoenix Hawk + 2 LAMs + 2 Fighter is only $25 (eat your heart out IWM!), the 6x Ostroc/Ostol/Ostscout is $25.

The $80 starter (30 figures) is a good deal, for now the $140 option less so (for now, add enough free goodies and it might be better).

Quote from: Lorcan Nagle on 18 April 2013, 15:39:55

I don't think I've been as frustrated about being out of work at all as much as I am right now.

I hear you!

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #145 on:** 18 April 2013, 16:29:52 »

I can't lie, I have always liked Robotech and Macross so I probably will throw a few bucks there way. I am only disappointed there is no VF-1S sculpt.

wolfspider · « **Reply #146 on:** 18 April 2013, 19:30:52 »

Quote from: Stormlion1 on 18 April 2013, 16:29:52

I can't lie, I have always liked Robotech and Macross so I probably will throw a few bucks there way. I am only disappointed there is no VF-1S sculpt.

Give it time ;-)

SteelWarrior · « **Reply #147 on:** 18 April 2013, 20:31:52 »

Make that $145k with 32 days to go......not sure what the root of success is...be it robotech/battletech, ninja division, palladium?

Pretty insane kick starter

All thats left is the size!

ColonelCody · « **Reply #148 on:** 18 April 2013, 20:32:21 »

I'll but the minis, under duress because they are going to be pretty nice. And something is better than nothing. But I despise that my money will go to Kevin Siembieda and Palladium, and Some will go to Harmony Gold. But because of the licensing system I cant avoid that latter part.

Snake Eyes · « **Reply #149 on:** 18 April 2013, 20:49:56 »

I am gonna be freaking broke between buying BattleTech stuff, and now the new Robotech miniatures game....

I wonder how much i could sell my soul for ;D