Author Topic: Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors! (Read 152635 times)

Wrangler · « **Reply #750 on:** 31 January 2020, 19:02:03 »

Quote from: Daryk on 31 January 2020, 18:28:04

Have you followed anything going on in the C5F AOR lately? ???

I was mainly commenting on the changes in normal navies and patrols assets. I read the old Jane's Fighting ships books, magazines, now websites over the decades. Im just saying opv part of trend navies have changing and there not as heavily armed they used to be.

Weirdo · « **Reply #751 on:** 31 January 2020, 19:07:27 »

Probably because modern OPVs are just built for their actual job, and designers no longer have to plan for them getting desperately thrown into a Cold War gone hot.

Daryk · « **Reply #752 on:** 31 January 2020, 19:08:02 »

Wrangler: You might want to check out what the RN is up to lately, then...

kato · « **Reply #753 on:** 31 January 2020, 21:51:51 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 31 January 2020, 19:07:27

Probably because modern OPVs are just built for their actual job, and designers no longer have to plan for them getting desperately thrown into a Cold War gone hot.

And for those that do have such plans there's more plug-and-play in the game nowadays.

The Malaysian Kedah class "OPVs" (Meko A100) for example carry a 76mm gun in peacetime - but RAM and Exocets can be installed within 24 hours if procured. The Venezuelan Guaiqueri-class "patrol boats" (Navantia Avente 2200) can be refitted with a 8-cell VLS and AShM.
And Italy currently has a pair of 5000-ton destroyers in final outfitting stages designating them "OPVs" by virtue of simply not plugging in their VLS and not installing their Teseo EVO cruise missiles.

Wrangler · « **Reply #754 on:** 01 February 2020, 00:15:21 »

Getting back to pictures. Sorry to distract people from it. :-X

USS Oklahoma righted after having been sunk in Pearl Harbor.

Daryk · « **Reply #755 on:** 01 February 2020, 04:38:23 »

16 months later... :o

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #756 on:** 01 February 2020, 05:00:58 »

Quote from: Daryk on 01 February 2020, 04:38:23

16 months later... :o

Triage - the origin, from Napoleon's surgeon-general Larrey, was aimed at
- returning troops to this battle
- returning troops to this campaign
- those who would no longer be useful as soldiers in a reasonable time period

Using a more naval example, this is why Nelson was passed over after being fatally wounded at Trafalgar - his wound was clearly mortal and so the surgeons focused on those they could save. Similarly, Britain rationalised their ship production during the war, suspending major warships for the most part in favour of smaller and faster to build escorts.

On a semi-related note, I listened to a good podcast just recently on ten Great Admirals who can teach about traits and character interviewing retired USN Admiral James Stavridis

https://radiopublic.com/history-unplugged-podcast-WDpvpE

His list of ten admirals is not without criticism of those he describes, for example Drake was a pirate as well as a patriot while Nelson might have been an excellent leader of men but could be both a snob (see the description of his only meeting with Wellington as described by Wellington!) and had interesting personal morals. Nimitz is named in the list as well and comment is made on how he took command of the US Pacific Fleet not on the deck of a magnificent battleship but on a submarine!

I would recommend the podcast as interesting and Stavridis is a good speaker.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #757 on:** 03 February 2020, 10:11:40 »

Thanks, could be pretty interesting to give a listen.

Speaking of salvage pictures . . .

Might be a Clemson? Pretty sure this salvage was to remove the ship from navigable waters.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #758 on:** 03 February 2020, 10:14:01 »

Here is another one . . .

German battlecruiser Derfflinger . . .

And to tie back in, here is another Oklahoma shot . . .

Colt Ward · « **Reply #759 on:** 03 February 2020, 10:16:17 »

Sea state picture . . .

Sharpnel · « **Reply #760 on:** 03 February 2020, 10:49:46 »

Since when did WW2 subs mount two twin 5" guns?

HobbesHurlbut · « **Reply #761 on:** 03 February 2020, 11:10:07 »

Colt Ward, that upside down ship with a bunch of huts on top..... the fact that there are *buildings* on the ship hull bottom....

Simon Landmine · « **Reply #762 on:** 03 February 2020, 11:56:53 »

Quote from: HobbesHurlbut on 03 February 2020, 11:10:07

Colt Ward, that upside down ship with a bunch of huts on top..... the fact that there are *buildings* on the ship hull bottom....

I like the fact that the tin hut that's towards the bow has the ship's name on it, just in case people weren't clear which of the battlecruisers upside down in floating docks they were looking at ...

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #763 on:** 03 February 2020, 14:04:35 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 31 January 2020, 16:29:50

Interesting that the flight deck is buckled in the center but the bow did not . . . also a pretty big crumple zone on the stern port quarter.

Yeah, guess what direction she was pointing when the bomb detonated... ;)

Safe to say, flight ops would be interrupted for a while... rads aside, of course.

Daryk · « **Reply #764 on:** 03 February 2020, 18:06:38 »

They... they put it in a dry dock UPSIDE DOWN!? :o

EDIT: Grammar... I blame the shock at such a sight...

Simon Landmine · « **Reply #765 on:** 03 February 2020, 19:55:11 »

Quote from: Daryk on 03 February 2020, 18:06:38

They... they put in a dry dock UPSIDE DOWN!? :o

"Sold as seen"?

Daryk · « **Reply #766 on:** 03 February 2020, 20:19:38 »

Must have been! ::)

Liam's Ghost · « **Reply #767 on:** 03 February 2020, 20:49:33 »

Quote from: Daryk on 03 February 2020, 20:19:38

Must have been! ::)

Technically, they sent her to the breakers upside down. Derfflinger was scuttled at Scappa Flow after World War I and wasn't raised for scrapping until twenty years later. Presumably they either couldn't or didn't see the point of righting her after raising her.

Also, because war had suddenly broken out shortly after she was raised, she wasn't scrapped until 1946, and was left in her capsized state the whole time.

Daryk · « **Reply #768 on:** 03 February 2020, 20:50:40 »

Now that's a sad fate for a ship...

Colt Ward · « **Reply #769 on:** 03 February 2020, 22:24:03 »

Anyone know the reason the surrender ships were scuttled rather than the Royal Navy taking them straight to the breakers?

Simon Landmine · « **Reply #770 on:** 03 February 2020, 22:35:48 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 03 February 2020, 22:24:03

Anyone know the reason the surrender ships were scuttled rather than the Royal Navy taking them straight to the breakers?

They were interned at Scapa Flow pending a final decision as to what to do with them, as per the terms of the Armistice. The German Admiral, apparently concerned that they would be seized and divided among the Allied fleets, decided to scuttle them instead.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #771 on:** 03 February 2020, 23:03:11 »

What I thought happened . . . pretty sure the Allies would rather have at least let them drive to the scrappers if they were not taken into service.

kato · « **Reply #772 on:** 04 February 2020, 00:58:16 »

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Quote from: Simon Landmine on 03 February 2020, 22:35:48

The German Admiral, apparently concerned that they would be seized and divided among the Allied fleets, decided to scuttle them instead.

The scuttling occured during a particular low point in the Versailles Treaty negotiations, when the Allies had given Germany deadlines to sign the treaty. The first deadline on June 16th had passed and was re-dated to June 23rd, with an announcement that Germany would be invaded within 24 hours after that - and the British were preparing to seize the interned ships at Scapa Flow during the same.

The German military leadership at the time basically assumed that the second deadline would just pass too and this would occur, i.e. war breaking out again. Admiral Reuter therefore during this time reduced the interned ships' manpower to a minimum on June 18th and finally gave the scuttle order on June 21st - knowing that the British were planning to board the ships in the afternoon that day to check for scuttle preparations.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #773 on:** 04 February 2020, 01:53:35 »

See also: Why non-irradiated steel is so expensive.

DaveMac · « **Reply #774 on:** 04 February 2020, 03:50:29 »

http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/history/salvage.php

https://www.naval-history.net/WW1z12aCox.htm

Nightlord01 · « **Reply #775 on:** 04 February 2020, 05:51:50 »

Quote from: Daryk on 03 February 2020, 18:06:38

They... they put it in a dry dock UPSIDE DOWN!? :o

EDIT: Grammar... I blame the shock at such a sight...

At least it would simplify the block arrangement. :-P

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #776 on:** 05 February 2020, 02:39:25 »

Modern escort duty HMS Montrose recently accompanied Cunard flagship Queen Mary 2 through the Strait of Hormuz.

Wrangler · « **Reply #777 on:** 06 February 2020, 22:16:47 »

Italian Monitor Faá Di Bruno, she was later known simply GM 194.

More mobile gunnery on a barge, than actual monitor. She had single turret of twin 15 inch guns. She was building during First World War, where she was used as bombardment ship that didn't to very much when used. Interestingly she used concrete coffer damns as protections After war she was deactivated for until 1939, where she got the GM 194 designation.

She survived WW2, largely wasn't utilized, and was ultimately scuttled by the Germans.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #778 on:** 06 February 2020, 22:20:15 »

Did the Italian spy service finally steal the plans to the USS Monitor?

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #779 on:** 07 February 2020, 01:41:54 »

Looks more like they just attempted to duplicate it based on photographs.