The missing ac20 heavies of 3025

[DevianID]

Howdy.  A project that has come and gone a few times is the missing ac20 heavy mechs.  The thunderbolt variant we have is odd and overlooked.  I tried for more iconic heavies for each faction instead, starting with my favorite, the Jagermech ambusher variant for Davion defensive forces.

Edit: the brief on the 5 AC20 mechs presented.  A Dual ac20 Davion Jagermech ambusher, a Kurita Dragon putting an ac20 on a fast platform for 3025, a Liao Cataphract using the other half of all the borrowed hunchback and marauder components, a Marik Orion mini atlas, and a Steiner Crusader with the massive Ac20 handheld cannon for maximum gunpod.

   
 Jagermech JM6-SAc20
 2774 IS Heavy

Original:  https://battletech.doknet.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=displaymech&id=10000001

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Jagermech JM6-SAc20
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2774
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 65 tons
Chassis: Kallon Type XII Standard
Power Plant: 260 Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Running Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type: Kallon Royalstar Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 Autocannon/20
 1 Medium Laser
 1 Autocannon/20
 1 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Kallon Industries
 Location: Talon
Communications System: System: Garret T-11A
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret D2j

   
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Type/Model:  Jagermech JM6-SAc20
Mass: 65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.: 104 pts Standard               0      6.50
Engine:        260 Fusion                    6     13.50
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0      0.00
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA    R: Sh+UA                         4      0.00
Armor Factor:   96 Standard                  0      6.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             21         16
   Center Torso (Rear):                  5
   L/R Side Torso:           15      13/13
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              3/3
   L/R Arm:                  10        6/6
   L/R Leg:                  15      11/11
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
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1 Autocannon/20          LA       7          10     14.00
1 Medium Laser           LT       3           1      1.00
1 Autocannon/20          RA       7   15     13     17.00
   (Ammo Locations: 1 CT,1 LT,1 RT)
1 Medium Laser           RT       3           1      1.00
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TOTALS:                          20           1     33.00
Crits and Tons Left:                         26             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        5,503,025 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):765
Battle Value (BV2):1057 

[DevianID]

Next up is the dragon.  By downgrading the secondary weapons to just an LRM5, the Dragon AC20 version still keeps 24 salvos to poke with, but has an AC20 for up close firepower.  At 5/8, its nice to have a fast ac20 for 3025.

   
 Dragon DRG-1NAc20
 2754 IS Heavy

Original:  https://battletech.doknet.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=displaymech&id=-2

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Dragon DRG-1NAc20
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2754
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 60 tons
Chassis: Alshain Type 56-60H Standard
Power Plant: 300 Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Running Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor Type: Starshield Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 Autocannon/20
 1 LRM 5
Manufacturer: Luthien Armor Works
 Location: Luthien
Communications System: System: Sipher CommSys 3
Targeting and Tracking System: Eagle Eye SY10-10

   
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Type/Model:  Dragon DRG-1NAc20
Mass: 60 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  99 pts Standard               0      6.00
Engine:        300 Fusion                    6     19.00
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0      0.00
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA                    6      0.00
Armor Factor:  160 Standard                  0     10.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             20         27
   Center Torso (Rear):                 12
   L/R Side Torso:           14      16/16
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              8/8
   L/R Arm:                  10      14/14
   L/R Leg:                  14      18/18
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
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1 Autocannon/20          RA       7   10     12     16.00
   (Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
1 LRM 5                  CT       2   24      2      3.00
   (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
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TOTALS:                           9           2     19.00
Crits and Tons Left:                         35             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        4,930,880 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):954
Battle Value (BV2):1150 

[DevianID]

 Next up is the Liao cataphract.  The OG cataphract was a right arm of a marauder and left arm of a hunchback.  So we have the rt torso+arm of the other side of the hunchback, with the ac20, and the left arm of a liao marauder with a large laser.  Thus we are using the other half of the borrowed mech components.

 Cataphract CTF-1X Ac20
 3025 IS Heavy

Original:  https://battletech.doknet.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=displaymech&id=-2

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Cataphract CTF-1X Ac20
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Earthwerk CTF Standard
Power Plant: 280 Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Running Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type: Kallon Royalstar Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 Large Laser
 1 Medium Laser
 1 Medium Laser
 1 Medium Laser
 1 Autocannon/20
Manufacturer: Earthwerks Incorporated
 Location: Tikonov
Communications System: System: CommuTech Multi-Channel 10
Targeting and Tracking System: BlazeFire Sightlock

   
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Type/Model:  Cataphract CTF-1X Ac20
Mass: 70 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.: 107 pts Standard               0      7.00
Engine:        280 Fusion                    6     16.00
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     16 Single                    5      6.00
 (Heat Sink Loc.: 2 LL,1 LT,2 RL)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA+LA    R: Sh+UA+LA+H                 7      0.00
Armor Factor:  176 Standard                  0     11.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             22         26
   Center Torso (Rear):                  9
   L/R Side Torso:           15      16/16
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              6/6
   L/R Arm:                  11      22/22
   L/R Leg:                  15      22/22
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
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1 Large Laser            LA       8           2      5.00
1 Medium Laser           LA       3           1      1.00
1 Medium Laser           LT(R)    3           1      1.00
1 Medium Laser           RA       3           1      1.00
1 Autocannon/20          RT       7   10     12     16.00
   (Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
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TOTALS:                          24          12     24.00
Crits and Tons Left:                         26             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        5,872,253 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):1043
Battle Value (BV2):1307 

[DevianID]

In Marik space, we have the Orion.  By swapping the 6 heat Ac10+Srm4, we pick up the ac20 and 1 heat sink to keep the heat consistent.  The SRM isn't visually represented much on the orion K so it matches up well.

   
 Orion ON1-K Ac20
 2525 IS Heavy

Original:  https://battletech.doknet.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=displaymech&id=-2

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Orion ON1-K Ac20
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2525
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 75 tons
Chassis: Kali Yama Chassis Standard
Power Plant: 300 Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Running Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type: Valiant Lamellor Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 Medium Laser
 1 Medium Laser
 1 Autocannon/20
 1 LRM 15
Manufacturer: KaliYama/Alphard Trading Corp,KaliYama Weapons Industries
 Location: Kendall, Kalidasa
Communications System: System: Irian Orator-5K
Targeting and Tracking System: Wasat Aggressor Type 5

   
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Type/Model:  Orion ON1-K Ac20
Mass: 75 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.: 114 pts Standard               0      7.50
Engine:        300 Fusion                    6     19.00
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     11 Single                    0      1.00
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA+LA    R: Sh+UA+LA                   6      0.00
Armor Factor:  231 Standard                  0     14.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             23         36
   Center Torso (Rear):                 10
   L/R Side Torso:           16      22/22
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):            10/10
   L/R Arm:                  12      24/24
   L/R Leg:                  16      32/32
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
---------------------------------------------------------
1 Medium Laser           LA       3           1      1.00
1 Medium Laser           RA       3           1      1.00
1 Autocannon/20          RT       7   10     12     16.00
   (Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
1 LRM 15                 LT       5   16      5      9.00
   (Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
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TOTALS:                          18           5     27.00
Crits and Tons Left:                         30             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        6,522,250 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):1116
Battle Value (BV2):1472 

[DevianID]

 Finally for steiner space making use of the common crusader, a popular steiner design with no steiner variant, we see the vambrace medium lasers and LRMs replaced for the Macross style handheld AC20 gunpod.  Dropping the medium lasers adds 2 heat sinks to keep the AC20+leg mounted SRM6s able to fire a few salvos before heat is a problem.  The machine guns also stayed for more dakka.


 Crusader CRD-3R AC20
 2752 IS Heavy

Original:  https://battletech.doknet.hu/mechfactory_frame.php?call=displaymech&id=-2

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Crusader CRD-3R AC20
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2752
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 65 tons
Chassis: Crucis-B Standard
Power Plant: 260 Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Running Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type: Riese-500 Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 Autocannon/20
 1 Machine Gun
 1 Machine Gun
 1 SRM 6
 1 SRM 6
Manufacturer: TharHes Industries, Brigadier Corporation, Kallon Industries
 Location: Tharkad (TI), Oliver (BC), Asuncion, Bernardo (K)
Communications System: System: Garret T11-b
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret A6

   
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Type/Model:  Crusader CRD-3R AC20
Mass: 65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.: 104 pts Standard               0      6.50
Engine:        260 Fusion                    6     13.50
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     12 Single                    2      2.00
 (Heat Sink Loc.: 2 LT)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H               8      0.00
Armor Factor:  192 Standard                  0     12.00

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             21         33
   Center Torso (Rear):                  8
   L/R Side Torso:           15      24/24
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              6/6
   L/R Arm:                  10      20/20
   L/R Leg:                  15      21/21
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
---------------------------------------------------------
1 Autocannon/20          RA       7   10     12     16.00
   (Ammo Locations: 1 LT,1 RT)
1 Machine Gun            LA       0           1      0.50
1 Machine Gun            RA       0  200      2      1.50
   (Ammo Locations: 1 CT)
1 SRM 6                  LL       4           2      3.00
1 SRM 6                  RL       4   15      3      4.00
   (Ammo Locations: 1 CT)
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TOTALS:                          15           3     25.00
Crits and Tons Left:                         25             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        5,290,010 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):938
Battle Value (BV2):1204 

[Daryk]

Of the bunch, I think the Dragon is the scariest by far.  Nice work! :)

[acksed]

I really really like the Orion.

[Decoy]

I'm going to try my hand at the CRD. The Crusader's MO is to use the LRMs to pound in close to cover its approach and then use the close in weapons to finish it off.  I'm also drawing inspiration from the Gauss Crusaders the Lyrans tried, so you can fluff it as a predecessor to the 8S and 9S.

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Crusader CRD-3S

Mass: 65 tons
Chassis: Crucis-B
Power Plant: Magna 260
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Riese-500
Armament:
     1 AC/20
     2 LRM 10
Manufacturer: Kallon Weapon Industries, Kallon Weapon Industries, Brigadier Corporation, TharHes Industries
     Primary Factory: Asuncion,Bernardo,Oliver,Tharkad
Communication System: Garret T11-b
Targeting & Tracking System: Garret A6
Introduction Year: 2752
Tech Rating/Availability: D/D-E-D-D
Cost: 5,458,310 C-bills


Type: Crusader
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Tonnage: 65
Battle Value: 1,284

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  6.5
Engine                        260 Fusion           13.5
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sink                     10                      0
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  192                    12

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            21        33   
     Center Torso (rear)               8     
     R/L Torso               15        24   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  6     
     R/L Arm                 10        20   
     R/L Leg                 15        21   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
LRM 10 Ammo (12)         CT        1        -       1.0   
AC/20                    RT        10       7       14.0 
LRM 10                   LA        2        4       5.0   
AC/20 Ammo (10)          LT        2        -       2.0   
LRM 10                   RA        2        4       5.0   

Features the following design quirks: Easy to Maintain, Rugged (1 Point), Ubiquitous (Inner Sphere), Ubiquitous (Clans)


[Hazard Pay]

I really like Decoy's Crud, reminds me faintly of the Samsonov Atlas with the dual PPCs and AC/20.

[Luciora]

I did a custom mini, a Rifleman with Victor arms, fluffed as a factory salvage rebuild, and used for security purposes.  AC/20, 2 meds and a LRM/5.

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 Rifleman RFL-3-VTR
 2770 IS Heavy

Type/Model: Rifleman RFL-3-VTR
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2770
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 60 tons
Chassis: Kallon Type IV Standard
Power Plant: 240 Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Running Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor Type: Kallon Royalstar Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 LRM 5
 2 Medium Laser
 1 Autocannon/20
Manufacturer: Kallon Industries
 Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: System: Garret T-11A
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret D2j

   
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Type/Model:  Rifleman RFL-3-VTR
Mass: 60 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  99 pts Standard               0      6.00
Engine:        240 Fusion                    6     11.50
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     13 Single                    4      3.00
 (Heat Sink Loc.: 1 LL,2 LT,1 RT)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA                 7      0.00
Armor Factor:  184 Standard                  0     11.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             20         29
   Center Torso (Rear):                 10
   L/R Side Torso:           14      22/22
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              4/4
   L/R Arm:                  10      18/18
   L/R Leg:                  14      24/24
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
---------------------------------------------------------
1 LRM 5                  CT       2   24      2      3.00
   (Ammo Locations: 1 CT)
2 Medium Laser           LA       6           2      2.00
1 Autocannon/20          RA       7   15     13     17.00
   (Ammo Locations: 3 RT)
---------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                          15          13     22.00
Crits and Tons Left:                         27             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        4,713,280 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):948
Battle Value (BV2):1195 

[Decoy]

The LRM 5 has me wondering on what would happen if you tossed more Vindicator into the mix, like the 180 engine and the jump jets.

[Daryk]

Holy crap... that comment made me just realize you can fit an AC/20 on a Vindicator!

[Jeyar123]

Can you make a Taurian one?😎

[Hazard Pay]

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[Luciora]

Could always sacrifice the HS and armor, a usual sucession wars era trick for that.  Or armor, HS and downgrade one of the lasers if you really want the Vindicator aesthetic.  Either way, still has more armor than its parent design!

The LRM 5 has me wondering on what would happen if you tossed more Vindicator into the mix, like the 180 engine and the jump jets.

[Decoy]

Can you make a Taurian one?😎

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,83279.0.html There ya go. I figure it's slightly outside of this topic to warrant it's own thread.

[Sabelkatten]

I think the Dragon might do better keeping the MLs (and add one SHS) rather than the LRM5. Make it a dedicated fast brawler. Also, did you notice that the Cataphract is pretty much an introtech Shootist?

Anyway, my take on a AC/20 Crusader. Drops the SRMs and downgrades the LRMs to 5-racks to keep the ML/MG battery and add a pair of SHS.

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Crusader CRD-3SH

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-E-D-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 5,308,160 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,298

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  LRM-5s
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                260                      13.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             12                        2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     15           23       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Autocannon/20                                RT        7         10       14.00
LRM-5                                        RA        2         1         2.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  RA        0         1         0.50
LRM-5                                        LA        2         1         2.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  LA        0         1         0.50
@MG (1/2) (100)                              HD        -         1         0.50
@LRM-5 (24)                                  CT        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  RT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 25

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 13
4          3       3       1       0      3     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0, IF 1

[Daryk]

It has more hole-fillers, at least... ;)

[Hazard Pay]

Surprise is the spice of life, and what bigger surprise is there than a Guillotine jumping behind you to put an AC/20 shell into your backside?

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Guillotine GLT-4B

Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Crucis Type V
Power Plant: VOX 280
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: Anderson 398
     Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Ulston Prime
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
     1 AC/20
     1 SRM 4
Manufacturer: Irian BattleMechs Unlimited
     Primary Factory: Irian
Communication System: StarLink 955G
Targeting & Tracking System: Pulsar Tri-X
Introduction Year: 2866
Tech Rating/Availability: D/X-E-D-D
Cost: 6,239,283 C-bills

Type: Guillotine
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Tonnage: 70
Battle Value: 1,343

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    7
Engine                        280 Fusion             16
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4
Heat Sink                     14                      4
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  192                    12

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            22        27   
     Center Torso (rear)               12   
     R/L Torso               15        22   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  8     
     R/L Arm                 11        20   
     R/L Leg                 15        22   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm

Weapons
and Ammo              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Jump Jet                 LL        1        -       1.0   
SRM 4                    CT        1        3       2.0   
Heat Sink                RT        1        -       1.0   
Jump Jet                 RT        1        -       1.0   
SRM 4 Ammo (25)          RT        1        -       1.0   
AC/20                    LA        10       7       14.0 
2 Heat Sink              LT        2        -       2.0   
Jump Jet                 LT        1        -       1.0   
AC/20 Ammo (10)          LT        2        -       2.0   
Jump Jet                 RL        1        -       1.0   
2 Medium Laser           RA        2        3       2.0   

Features the following design quirks: Searchlight


[Daryk]

I'd consider dropping the Mediums to Smalls to keep the other two SRM tubes, personally... :)

[Sabelkatten]

Can't leave the Grasshopper out!

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Grasshopper GRH-5SH

Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-E-D-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 6,146,973 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,401

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 280 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  LRM-5
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     107 points                7.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                280                      16.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LL, 2 RL                                         4.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             13                        3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 208                 13.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     22           33       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     15           23       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     11           22       
                                             L/R Leg     15           26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LRM-5                                        HD        2         1         2.00
Autocannon/20                                CT/LT     7         2/8      14.00
Medium Laser                                 RT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LT        3         1         1.00
@AC/20 (5)                                   RT        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (5)                                   LT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 25

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 14
4j         3       3       1       0      3     0   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0
...it is, of course, almost identical...

[Hazard Pay]

...it is, of course, almost identical...

GRH-5SH: "He stole my whole flow, bar for bar, word for word! I'm a 70t 4/6/4 Heavy with MLs, an AC/20 and a Missile! So is he!"

[Sartris]

[Daryk]

ROFL for that last series of pics! ;D

[DevianID]

I'm going to try my hand at the CRD. The Crusader's MO is to use the LRMs to pound in close to cover its approach and then use the close in weapons to finish it off.  I'm also drawing inspiration from the Gauss Crusaders the Lyrans tried, so you can fluff it as a predecessor to the 8S and 9S.

I like your crusader, its 'better' then mine, but I cant help but to love the crusader leg mounted SRM6s.  They are the class defining feature for me haha.  Same with the LRM5 paired Crusader, though the mguns are where the dakkas at so Id take the LRM5s + lasers + Mguns over LRM10s for style, even though the LRM10 crusaders are better (like on the LRM10 Crusader K).

I think the Dragon might do better keeping the MLs (and add one SHS) rather than the LRM5. Make it a dedicated fast brawler. Also, did you notice that the Cataphract is pretty much an introtech Shootist?

For the Dragon, yeah I deliberately didnt want the better brawling med lasers in favor of keeping the LRMs in the dragon's snout.  AC20+LRM5 works on the Rommel/Patton, so I figured it wasnt that unorthodox.  As for the Cataphract, I didnt realize at the time but it makes sense.  My layout is less chaotic I think then the layout on the shootist, being the other half of the hunchback/marauder frankenmech hehe.

Also, the Guilliotine/Grasshopper is more or less a Victor, which is a good mech, and the Rifleman with Victor arms is of course also a Victor hehe, but it doesnt jump this time.  The Victor is pretty popular, its a weapons spread that just works I suppose.

[DevianID]

Can anyone come up with a good reason to have a 3/5 speed AC20 mech, that isnt just a Hammerhands at 75 tons?  Id like a 3/5 pirate/merc 'pocket assault' that wasnt a hammerhands/warhammer, cause that one is 'too easy'.  Is the 65 ton Roughneck cannon?  Would a 3/5 Merlin be too 'untrooper'-like to be a Merlin?

[Daryk]

Well, the AC/20 Urbie exists, so... ;D

[AlphaMirage]

There is the Bombard so there is a canon, walking cannon but it uses an XL and bunch of SL tech to do so much

[Hazard Pay]

The greatest thing about Archers is those torso doors could be hiding anything behind them... including an AC/20 for brawling.

"Hehehe, that poor rube in the Archer must've gotten their other LRM-15 jammed or blown out. Get under the min range and-" *KA-BOOM*

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Archer ARC-2A

Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 280 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
     1 AC/20
     1 LRM 15
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2920
Tech Rating/Availability: D/X-E-D-D
Cost: 6,128,273 C-bills

Type: Archer
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Tonnage: 70
Battle Value: 1,359

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    7
Engine                        280 Fusion             16
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sink                     12                      2
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  192                    12

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            22        30   
     Center Torso (rear)               9     
     R/L Torso               15        21   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  6     
     R/L Arm                 11        20   
     R/L Leg                 15        25   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
AC/20 Ammo (10)          RT        2        -       2.0   
AC/20                    RT        10       7       14.0 
Medium Laser             LA        1        3       1.0   
LRM 15                   LT        3        5       7.0   
LRM 15 Ammo (16)         LT        2        -       2.0   
Heat Sink                HD        1        -       1.0   
Medium Laser             RA        1        3       1.0   



[Daryk]

I like the cut of your jib... ;)