Author Topic: Unmapped, lost or misnamed systems and planets (last updated 10 November 2016)  (Read 52640 times)

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Edit: This is a reformatted version of the same thread on the earlier, now lost, CBT forum. I have separated the intro posting (this one) from the list of found/identified worlds (second post) and the list of still unidentified worlds (third post).
Following community input, I'll keep the lists updated in the second and third posts. Thus, a search for a given name should immediately jump to its entry in either list.

The purpose of this project is to list all worlds (systems or individual planets) mentioned within the BT universe that remain elusive on the hitherto published maps, and to collect information on these worlds with hopes to pinpoint their location (in some cases, find them on recently published maps).

For the purpose of this project I consider a world/planet "unmapped, lost or misnamed" if it is mentioned in an official (not necessarily canonical) BattleTech product but shows up on no known map that would allow its jump coordinates to be pinpointed.

Formatting of the lists: Planet/system name (Source), known info, references

Color code:
Blue = Location mapped/identified, or already known under another name
Green = Location identified fairly well, but not precisely
Orange = Location estimated broadly
Red = Location unknown
Black = Uncertain if a planet or system of this name even exists (typos, mixups, etc.)

Underlined = Known world/system, cited for reference
Italicized = Reference to another unmapped system on this list
[In brackets] = Source is apocryphal (i.e. official but not included among the current canon sources)
« Last Edit: 10 November 2016, 02:12:40 by Frabby »
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Identified/found worlds and systems
« Reply #1 on: 26 January 2011, 06:33:03 »
- Ålborg, (map in ISP p110; Explorer Corps p99)
- Alexandra (The Clans: WoK p72), third planet in the Tanis system
- Alpha C (=Alpha Centauri?) (Mechwarrior 1, p128; 20YU p69), earlier name for Rigil Kentarus (aka Rigil Kent)
- [Ander's Moon] (MechWarrior computer game): Map location corresponds with Elidere IV, descriptions match; could either be Elidere IV or another inhabited world in the Elidere system (judging by being referred to as "Moon")
- Antwerp: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Aosia (HB:Liao; mapped in the HB:HD), FS world, massive CC attack in 2987
- Aragon: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Areseppi (Samad Abdul-Muhsi's pilot card) identified as a Correctional Facility on the planet Menkent
- Asturias: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Austerlitz (mapped in the Steiner Handbook - the Star League, and the 1st and 2nd Succession Wars maps), located approximately 55 ly anti-spinward of Canal
- Ballantre (Periphery Sourcebook p128), either a region on Nyserta or another name for that world
- Balligora (Explorer Corps): misspelling of OA world Baliggora
- Barnard (Mechwarrior 1, p128; 20YU, p69), earlier name for Caph
- Bergen (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Brazen Heart (Handbook: House Liao, p82) Moon of Brighton
- Bremen: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Brinton (mapped in Handbook House Davion p54, 60), TC world, home of the incurable Brinton Plague; 5th planet noted as an manufacturer and exporter of electronics in Objective Raids (may be inaccurate, or indicating two distinct worlds in the same system)
- Bruges (Explorer Corps), mapped in WoR
- Carsphaim (various DA material): misspelling for LC world Carspairn according to Øystein
- Castile: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Celeano (Periphery Sourcebook p85), misspelling of Celano - see post #5 (I take it his word as Writer is straight canon)
- Chisholm (Living Legends adventure) was the Star League era name of Elgin
- Columbus (see Epsilon Pegasus)
- Córdoba: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Coromondir (map in Handbook House Davion, p54, 60; Periphery sourcebook p96), a TC oil refinery complex destroyed by a MoC attack in 2896
- Danxiang (HB:HS p37), misspelling of Danxian
- Desolate Plains (map in Handbook Davion p49; Periphery Sourcebook p33), TC world between Midale and Brockway
- Dijonne, earlier name for Pain
- Dorwinion, not a planet, but a region on Belladonna where the firm Cal-Boeing of Dorwinion is located
- Dove (HB:HS p37; on map on HB:HS p25), LC world on DC border, rendered uninhabitable by DC attack in 2811; ~12ly below Caldrea
- Drovahchein II (Decision at Thunder Rift p68), in the "Erit star cluster". Circumstancial evidence plus the ruling that all IS systems are mapped by now means the Erit Cluster and its worlds including this one must be in the small explored part of the Dark Nebula.
- Eleuthera Meriba (shown on map in The Hunters p131), 6 jumps coreward of Waypoint Thorn?
- Epsilon Pegasus (Explorer Corps p20, map on p48), located in deep periphery coreward from Inner Sphere, 786 ly from Terra and ~250 ly anti-spinward from the known JàrnFòlk worlds (see Ålborg), determining its position fairly accurately. SL-era Columbus station on 4th planet is ComStar Explorer Corps HQ for Coreward Operations Area
- Erit star cluster (Decision at Thunder Rift p68), implicitly a small explored section of the Dark Nebula with several inhabited worlds; see Drovahchein II above
- Fanandir (Periphery sourcebook), misspelling of MoC world Fanardir
- Gabriel (Ruins of), shipyard facility hidden in the Odessa system
- Galicia: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Gateway: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Girondas (map in Handbook House Davion, p. 54, 60; Periphery sourcebook p. 96), site of a TC 'Mech complex, targeted by a MoC deep-strike in 2940
- Gorgon (TRO3075, map in HB:MPS p25)
- Granada: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Haddings (BC story Desperate Measures), mapped in HB:Steiner on pre-3025 maps
- Hamar (see Ålborg)
- Hegel (Handbook:HS p37, on map in HB:MPS p25), LC world in the Donegal Protectorate, decimated from epidemics by 2812
- Helios Minor (Rolling Thunder p5), typo for Hellos Minor
- Herakleion (Forgotten Worlds serial), faux name for Jardine; also occasionally spelled "Herakleione"
- Hofn (see Ålborg)
- Ilion V (mapped in HB:MPS p18)
- Jardine (mapped in Housebook Marik, p24), the "Marik" one of the 5 Hidden Worlds; mixup spiel with "Herakleion"
- Kazarka frequent misspelling of DC world Kazanka -see post #5
- Kerensky's Vision New colony established on former site of Qualip (HBHS)
- Ki Zoban (Periphery Sourcebook p38, on map in HB:MPS p147), OA world
- Klathan (Tales of the Black Widow Company) is the correct name for the system containing the planet Klathandu V
- Knutstad (ISP p47), on map in ER:2750 on p. 37
- Krakau (Planet): (FM:CrusClans, writeup for Clan Star Adder Xi Galaxy), planet in the Paxton system in the Clan Homeworlds
- Krakau (moon) (Brush Wars, Ronin!), Moon of Predlitz
- Lamar (HB:HS p37), mapped in 1st SW p. 50
- León: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Lysidas (Periphery sourcebook p150), where Redjack Ryan went on a rampage in 3017; world identified as Fianna in all later sources. BC story Trial of Faith established Lysidas as Fianna's main continent.
- Lübeck (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Mayadi (LinkNet), OOC identified as Tangerz
- Medron (Periphery sourcebook p37, om map in HB:MPS p147), OA world taken by Star League in 2582, site of Axel factory works
- Meglan (HB:Davion p45), also spelled "Megian" - earlier name of FS world Victoria until 2537
- Megaris (map in Handbook Davion p49; Periphery Sourcebook p17), TC world in Flannagan's Nebula, settled in 2310
- Multan (mapped in The Hunters p131), apparently only a misplaced map position for the nearby DC system of the same name
- Nam Dinh (HB:HM p35)
- Navarre: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- New Dallas (mapped in HB:Marik p23-25)
- New Florence (Camo Specs p31, HB:Liao; on map in HB:FS p62), Terran Hegemony world between Tybalt and Ronel. See reply #65 below.
- New Silesia (Periphery Sourcebook p53, Star League sourcebook p66, Steiner Handbook p30), large asteroid in the Star's End system (mining world where Richard Cameron was killed in 2751)
- Nexus Ri (Periphery Sourcebook p38, on map in HB:MPS p147), OA world seized by DC in 2582
- Norn (Mercenary's Star novel) is the correct name for the system containing the planet Verthandi
- Nuelson Minor (HB:Steiner p132; on map in HB:MPS p25), LC world
- Obeedah (LinkNet), OOC identified as Sharpe
- Orion Nebula (Explorer Corps), M-class system more than 1600 ly from Terra. On map in ISP3, p. 62
- Port Vail, earlier name for The Rack
- Ramen II (TRO3025, on map in HB:MPS p25), Centurion factory. FWL/CC border world
- Riga: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Rocky (BattleCorps: Hunt for Jardine Prologue, HB:HS p37; on map in HB:MPS p25), LC/LA world lost in a nuclear winter following LCAF/AFFS battle in 2789
- "Samoyedic Colonies" - see Union of Samoyedic Colonies
- Sardis (map in Handbook House Marik p34)
- Schrimeck, misspelling of DC world Schirmeck
- Sendai (map in Handbook House Steiner p36), DC world
- Stacha (The Clans: WoK p72), first planet in the Tanis system
- Tanis (The Clans: WoK p72), on map in WoR p. 227
- Taussen (LinkNet), OOC identified as Versailles
- Terra Prime is how Stefan Amaris renamed the Rim Worlds Republic capital Apollo for a while
- Tetski (Periphery sourcebook p96, on map in HB:MPS p93), site of MoC 'Mech complex
- Thirty Weight (HB:Marik p34; map in Handbook House Marik p34), FWL world
- Tomalov: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Treeline, earlier name for Winfield - see post #5
- Trondheim (see Ålborg); obviously not the DC world taken by Clan Ghost Bear/Diamond Shark
- "Union of Samoyedic Colonies" (MercSuppU p38), on map in ISP3 p. 50
- Valencia: (Explorer Corps), mapped in FR:Periphery
- Veil (MW3: Pirate Moon computer game; ISP2; map on German boxed set), was once called Oporto - see post #5
- Weissau, misspelling of DC system Weisau (apocryphal BattleTechnology "Worldbook" article names the world in the Weisau system "Brimstone")


The following worlds were removed from the project:
- Leisten: Meant to be Leiston in the DC. Not sure where/why this typo'ed spelling crept up.
- Riesling's Planet / Reisling's Planet: Apparently, the Black Widow Company took a detour through Davion space when attacking Hesperus II from Marik space. Doesn't seem to make sense, but is in line with the notion that the Dragoons deliberately tried to conceal the true target while moving. In any case, there's apparently only one such world and the correct name is "Reisling's Planet".
- Tabiranth: The original Marik Housebook has indexed "Tabiranth (world)" for page 39, where someone is portrayed as having political acumen like a "Tabiranth trader". Considering that the Tabiranth is a well-known type of xeno-cattle from a lost world (Jardine), I tend to assume that this mention is due to one of two possible mistakes: Either the reference was to the Tabrianth's lost unnamed homeworld (now known to be Jardine, formerly known as Herakleion), or the reference itself misinterpreted the "Tabiranth trader" as a trader from Tabiranth instead of a trader of Tabiranths. The latter is a more likely explanation, considering that Tabiranths are popular throughout the Inner Sphere and were exported by specialized breeding enterprises.
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- 129A-14H (J:FR, Wild Weasel track) abandoned colony near Jihad era Circinus Federation borders
- A2341CA (En Garde chapter 51), system in DC Dieron military district, K8 class sun
- Aerie (ISP p105) FWL planet lost during the Succession Wars
- Alpha Hydri (ComStar sourcebook, ISP2), "a desolate wasteland discovered a year before", i.e. in 3014, located within "eight to ten jumps from the LC-DC border regions" according to IPS2 p.19
- Altruis (BC:"A Distant Thunder"), blue giant sun system, recharging waypoint halfway between Nueva Castile & Hansa territory
- Anderson's World (HB:Liao p63)
- Bahr (TRO3025, Corsair fluff), FS world apparently near CC border
- [Barada] (Wiege der Basilisken, p. 35) - Uninhabited system near Terra in the FS Crucis March, Kentares PDZ (in the borders of 2835). Includes the planet Berceuse.
- Barbados = Gamma 1551 AV (BattleCorps), site of last stand of Clan Wolverine, location purged from Clan records
- Boltin (see EC-EY-4189)
- Bristol (Explorer Corps), place/location of a cache where Wolf's Dragoons recovered vessels
- Brussart (Star League Sourcebook p49, HB:MPS p19), TC world, site of a Taurian war atrocity
- Burroughs III (MercHB p93) Liao world on FS border
- Calaeras, home planet of Grayson Death Carlyle
- Cat's Eye 009 (see EC-EY-4170)
- [Cermak] (MW computer game), behind CSJ occupation zone, storehouse for SL nukes
- Chekaar (Decision at Thunder Rift), home (world?) of Singh; part of Ricol's fief (Kaesong in the German translation; judging by Øystein's statement, probably a secondary world in the Kaesong system)
- Cherid (The Fox's Teeth, p19), Rollin Stafford's grandfather was made Baron of Swale on Cherid for his part in the Cheridian Uprising
- CJW-7228 (TRO:VAp.40), a small system 3 jumps off the FWL border
- Cobsworth (Periphery Sourcebook) ex SDLF Support Colony near Marian Frontier
- Comstock (Periphery Sourcebook p58), MH world in 3025 (previously independent), near Francas; pirates from Comstock IV raid Campoleone in 3002 (BC Scenario Bank Shot)
- Corcyra (Mercenaries Handbook p70), FWL world
- Corigan (Star League Sourcebook p49), TC world
- Corpus Mortuum (MercSuppU p121) Abandoned colony on a methane world that died ca. 2669 when its Biodome failed. Presumably located in  the MH/CF periphery area
- Dahlgren (?), invaded by Kurita in 3016 (Lyran world?) - Mercenary's Star p.6 (Harvest in the German translation of the novel; judging by Øystein's statement, probably a secondary world in that system)
- [Delos VI] (TCI Model Set #8), LC world on DC border (not to be confused with FS Delos or FWL New Delos)
- Derby (Mercenaries Handbook p70), FS world in Crucis March (not identical with RWR world on map in HB:MPS p25)
- Dogg (I am Jade Falcon), LC world
- Dragon's Field (The Sword and the Dagger p46), FS world
- Drexa (Star League Sourcebook p44)
- Driscoll's World (BT boardgame rulebook, MW RPG 2nd Ed p. 119), target of deep penetration raid by Kurita merc unit O'Reilly's Heavy Cavalry
- Drune II (Decision at Thunder Rift p193, also GDL scenario pack p6), LC world 90ly from Trell (Beta VII in the German translation of the novel and Bountiful Harvest in the German translation of the sourcebook; judging by Øystein's statement, probably a secondary world in that system)
- Durham (Explorer Corps p99, 100), DC cache world in or near Deep Periphery. Slightly smaller than Terra, with similar weather patterns and climate. Situated approximately 7 ly from Isfahan and 15 ly rimward from unnamed periphery world where raiders found crashed Star League DropShip with 'Mechs
- D'Van's Star (Star League Sourcebook p86)
- EC3057-J83A (see Mundo Nublar)
- EC-EY-4170 (Impetus of War, Northwind Highlanders sourcebook), site of Nova Cat recharge station Cat's Eye 009 in the deep periphery, in striking distance (likely one or two jumps) from Wayside V
- EC-EY-4189 (Impetus of War, Northwind Highlanders sourcebook), system in the deep periphery where an abandoned Nova Cat depot sits on a planet named Boltin. Lies in striking distance (likely one or two jumps) from Wayside V
- [El Aïdi] (Die Albatros-Akte, p. 154) - Lyran colony world in the Protectorate of Donegal, abandoned in or just prior to 2838. May be fictional within the BT universe.
- Elidor (Mechwarrior 1 p109), DC world
- Ellison IV (HB:Steiner p117; TRO3025 Charger), LC world in Ryde theater
- Endgame (BT Compendium:TRoW p110), small star and 3 days travel from jump point to planet at >1G. May be a fictional world.
- Falcon's Beacon (Blitzkrieg:Operation ICE STORM Part 1), unmapped deep periphery JF watch outpost between IS and Clan Homeworlds with small garrison (ca. one star) plus support staff and a few warehouses; seized by Ice Hellions September 3071 as cargo convoy waypoint, reconquered by JF 29 September 3071
- Feng Pau (Mercenaries Handbook p70, 1st column, 3rd paragraph), FWL world
- Firthimond (Periphery sourcebook p95), agricultural MoC world defended against TC
- Francas (Periphery Sourcebook p58), near Comstock/MH; leather exporter, ex SDLF Support Colony near Marian Frontier
- Gallwen (Mercenary's Star p24), LC world one jump from Galatea
- Gamma Cygni (see Sador)
- Garrote (BattleCorps: "To Serve the Dragon")
- Gronden (Mercenary's Star p10), LC world near Verthandi (Volders in the German translation of the novel; judging by Øystein's statement, probably a secondary world in that system)
- Gutara V (Star League Sourcebook p97, BC story "Last Stop", HB:MPS), Periphery world located outside the DC; last known location of the Exodus Fleet
- Hamlin (The Sword and the Dagger), FS world
- Herat (Explorer Corps p98), one of 4 Khwarazm Empire worlds in the Deep Periphery; others are Marv, Nishapur, Urgenj (all mountainous with large deserts, slightly warmer than Terra and technologically under-developed). Jade Falcons occupied all in 3049, suggesting location in the JF invasion corridor coreward of LC.
- Hermione (WizKids HP), no planet but a moon (low gravity, uranium mining); former Bannson holding
- Hoan III (TRO3025, Union entry), FS world (possibly Hean; mentioning of "Hoan" instead of "Hean" in 3130 Republic World Atlas confirmed to be erroneous by Øystein)
- [Holloway V] (TCI Model Set #2), small, water-rich world deep within the DC
- Isfahan (Explorer Corps pg100), 7 light-years from Durham; conjectural information places it in the deep periphery coreward of the DC
- J-1256T (codename Damocles) (BC:Salvage), uninhabited system, one jump from both Nopah and Aldebaran
- Juniper (HB:Steiner p53; HB:HS p37), LC world on DC border, rendered uninhabitable in 1st SW
- Kapteyn (Mechwarrior 1st Ed p101), CC world; no connection established with famous Concord of Kapteyn which was negotiated and signed on Terra
- Kearny (TRO3025, Long Tom enty), FS planet (not neccessarily system name); context seems to rule out FWL system of the same name
- [Kiyev III] (TCI Model Set #12), deep in FWL space
- Kore (Ghost of Winter), DC world 10 parsecs from the edge of the LA, on the outer fringes of the Clan OZ’s. Owned by Alfin Mining Corp. Captured by Clan Steel Viper during the invasion, liberated by mercs since
- Korion (MercHB p83), CC depot
- [Kumkol VII] (Die Albatros-Akte, p. 154) - Lyran research station in the Protectorate of Donegal. May be fictional with the BT universe.
- Lincoln (HB:Liao, House Davion p68), WHs Imarra and LuSann defeated a Davion force here in 3001 (HB:Liao). Located in the Capellan March, but now uninhabited.
- Longbow Mountain (Mercenary's Handbook), Wilson's Hussars defeated here by TC and abandoned in OA so likely located in either TC or OA space. "Defeat at Longbow Mountain" possibly denotes a place on a planet, not a planet or system.
- Luyten 68-28 aka Luyten's Star (ComStar sourcebook, Bonfire of Worlds), primary ComGuard shipyard after schism, Faslane class built here. Confirmed location in RotS Prefecture X, i.e. within ca. 30ly from Terra
- Lynn's World (TRO3075), possibly near Brixtana in the MoC
- Lysander (Decision at Thunder Rift), Possibly not a planet but a region on some world; Grayson Death Thomas (ancestor of Grayson Carlyle), the Victor of Lysdander, was a powerful landholder here
- Marv (see Herat)
- Melisande (MechWarrior RPG 1st Ed pp113,123), DC industrial world and homeworld of Night Stalkers regiments, roughly near Kasai, Rowe and Galedon
- Meribah (The Hunters p172-173), water resupply point for Task Force Serpent
- [Mesa 7] (Battledroids), a planet with a secret Wolf's Dragoons presence re-discovered by House Davion around 3025. Apocryphal under this name; may refer to Udibi
- Mesozoa (Mechwarrior Companion p81)
- Mundo Nublar (ISP2 p. 19) "A barren world of perpetual storms and clouds, Mundo Nublar - then tagged as EC3057-J83A - was a marginally habitable rock a few jumps anti-spinward of the Chainelane Isles."
- [Muscatine] (Die Albatros-Akte, p. 154) - Lyran colony world in the Protectorate of Donegal, abandoned in or just prior to 2838. May be fictional with the BT universe.
- Naikongzu (ISP p.47)
- Newbraska (MechWarrior 2nd Ed p156), FS breadbasked world (Duchy of Omaha on northern continent)
- New Cleveland (The Sword and the Dagger p45), FS world
- New Karlsruh (HB:Steiner p66, Mercenaries Handbook p70, 1st column, 1st paragraph), small agricultural LC world in the Federation of Skye, ELH base after 2872
- [New London] (TCI Model Set #3), unimportant agricultural world implicitly in FS space
- New Nebraska (CBT Companion, p. 203), FS world, possibly meant to be Newbraska
- NGC-99382 (Blitzkrieg:Operation ICE STORM Part 2), uninhabited deep periphery system near Ice Hellion/Jade Falcon OZ; jump from there is "the first of many" along the Exodus Road
- [New Texas] (TCI Model Set #4), poor agricultural world on LC periphery border
- Nikko (Mechwarrior 1 p101), CC world
- Nishapur (see Herat)
- Niue (BC story "Commerce is all"), small world barely bigger than a moon, devastated prior to 3033 by two warring pirate factions; context suggests location in periphery beyond the FWL
- Nouve (Mechwarrior 1 p101), FWL world
- Opotiki (Explorer Corps), former ComStar facility spinward of the DC and rimward of Alfirk, captured by WoB
- [Orathon] (Die Albatros-Akte, p. 154) - Uninhabited system in the Lyran Protectorate of Donegal, one jump from both Mahone and Ludwigshafen. B0-class star. May be fictional with the BT universe.
- Patinir II (Mercenaries Handbook p94), LC world raided by Wilson's Hussars in 3018
- Pivot (Explorer Corps), Clan name for a hint at the location of the Clan homeworlds; known by the Inner Sphere under another name according to a comment by Jaime Wolf
- Quarantine (Battlecorps), Hanseatic League world
- Quinn (Sorenson’s Sabres p13), FS world
- Quinten (TRO3025, Packrat entry), FS world; possibly a typo for Quentin
- Ral (The Sword and the Dagger p60), FS world
- Randall's Regret (Total Warfare), periphery world
- Radalah (Mercenaries Handbook p69, 2nd column, 3rd paragraph), DC world
- Rahway II (Life in the Big City, CityTech/BC), FS world
- Redmond (Mechwarrior 1 p130)
- Relada (The Periphery, 2nd Ed, p80)
- Remis III (BT rulebook scenario, Wolves on the Border, Wolf's Dragoons sourcebook), site of a Davion/Lindon's Company battle against Wolf's Dragoons/Black Widow Company. The planet (or a place on the planet) is called Coursardin; in the novel Wolves on the Border there is a reference to a Dragoon operation involving the Black Widows at Courasin which likely refers to this same location. Conjecture indicates a FS place on DC border.
- Ross 248 earlier name for Terrelibre (see there); called Ross 2458 in Jihad Conspiracies
- Roxborough (Living Legends adventure), insignificant jungle world one jump coreward of Schwartz, discovered long ago but never colonized until it was settled (and named) by an eccentric ComStar Precentor in 3051 to serve as a secret supply base
- Rumor V (BC:"A Distant Thunder"), world in the general Nueva Castile/Hansa area; possibly identical with the colony world near Valencia that was destroyed around 3067
- Sador (Explorer Corps), 815 lightyears from Terra. Target of Explorer Corps scientific mission in 3002. Aka Gamma Cygni
- Savarin 223-74 (Starterbook: TSatD, p18), presumably in Lyran space near periphery, an infantry brigade and 2 regiments of armor from the 7th Crucis Lancers RCT inexplicably vanished here with their support units in 3058
- Sean (Mechwarrior 1 p101), CC world
- Siroc (Explorer Corps p98), independent Deep Periphery world occupied by Clan Steel Viper, previously used as a cargo waystation by Explorer Corps. Dense jungle. Settled by colonists from the Terran Hegemony in 2550, but soon devastated by a viral plague. Temple in capital built around defunct Vulture class DropShip.
- [Sturtevant] (Blackthorne BattleForce 1+2), FS world in the Capellan March along the Capellan border; 2nd Crucis Lancers maintain temporary operational HQ here in 3015 or 3025
- Sylven (GDL soucebook, p.6), LC world near Trell and Drune II (named Wroclaw in the German translation; judging by Øystein's statement, probably a secondary world in that system)
- Talley's Folly (BT Compendium:TRoW p110), may be a fictional world
- Tellmann (Mechwarrior 1 p101), CC world
- Terrelibre (ISP2, ComStar), ComGuard shipyard after WoB schism. Faslane class built here. Aka Ross 248
- Teukros (HB:Marik p139, HB:Steiner p76, 98), LC world near FWL border. Thomas Marik served at ComStar relay station here in 3025. Mentioned as "distant world" (from Loric) along with Poulsbo, Denebola V and Bobruisk. As of 3030 Thomas Marik is confirmed stationed on Son Hoa; Teukros could be a planet in that system.
- Thera (Mercenaries Handbook p70, 1st column, 3rd paragraph), FWL world
- Thomas (HB:Liao p86, 90, 99; TRO3039 Quickdraw), agricultural CC world near Purvo, tactically insignificant, not even included on many star charts, few resources to plunder, planetary militia with a reputation for dogged tenacity, Pavel Ridzik (Duke of Thomas) had estates here. Location of a 3011 battle between the Sirdar Capellan March Militia and St. Cyr’s Grenadiers, who were using Thomas’s north continent for training maneuvers. 3011 battle between the Liao Reserves (Trimaldi's Secutors) and the 42nd Avalon Hussars on Thomas where a Davion siege was broken by troops led by Pavel Ridzik, and yet another battle in 3011 where Ridzik led Stapleton's Iron Hand of the St.Ives Armoured Cavalry against the 33rd Avalon Hussars. Update: Øystein canonically confirmed that it is a secondary world in another CC system, thought it remains unknown which system
- Tianjin (Rolling Thunder p27), periphery world and pirate base apparently outside FWL space
- [Tibolt] (Blackthorne Battleforce 1+2), CC mining world on the FS border, "somewhere outside the CC border in the periphery"; "A tiny worthless rock [...] with an atmosphere of sulphur, fog, and rain". Invaded by Miller's Marauders (working for FS) and elements of the 2nd Crucis Lancers in 3015 or 3025, defended by Capellan Hussars and 3rd MAC regiment. Holds a 'Mech cache and something unspecified deemed yet more important. Hypotized that this became the MoC's mysterious source of 'Mechs and goodies. Implied to lie in Aurigan Coalition, TC or MoC terrain, outside CC territory. Not to be mistaken for Tybalt. Description perfectly matches Fjaldr.
- Travis V (TRO3025, Stalker; Life in the Big City), implied to lie in DC space near the FS border (possibly near Pike IV and Rahway II)
- Trentwash II (ISP2 p19, ComStar p45), within "eight to ten jumps from the Lyran-Combine border regions", "beyond the Elysian Fields", struggling RWR colony out of contact with IS for 300 years in 2973
- Trimerrion (The Sword and the Dagger p156)
- Trisha (ComStar, ISP2), where ComGuards fought the final battle against pirate forces concluding the Jolly Roger Affair. Located within "eight to ten jumps from the Lyran-Combine border regions"
- Tsanna X (HB:Liao, Mercenary's Handbook p93, TRO3025), world on the FS/CC border where WH Ijori mauled FS forces in 3003. Not to be mistaken for Tsamma on the FS/DC border. Mentioned as "Tsanna X" in MercHB.
- Tsarina (Mercenary's Handbook p93), FS/CC border world
- Tumbleweed (HB:MPS p5) Agricultural deep periphery colony, home of Temper MacCaulay. Came under attack by Tortuga pirates
- Twilight (Jade Falcon sourcebook), a buddhist monk colony two jumps outside of the Oberon Confederation
- Ulro (HB:Steiner p98), CF world
- Urgenj (see Herat)
- [Valhalla VI] (TCI Model Set #1), no info
- Vincent (The Sword and the Dagger p45)
- [Vogon] (Wiege der Basilisken, p. 56) - System in the Lyran Protectorate of Donegal, within one jump from Dukambia towards Mahone. May be fictional with the BT universe.
- Wayside V (Impetus of War, Highlanders sourcebook), planet also known as Wildcat, abandoned Clan (Smoke Jaguar or Nova Cat) depot in the deep periphery, in HPG range (i.e. within 50 lightyears) from Tarnby
- Wildcat (see Wayside V)


Unmapped worlds without a name:

- Unnamed world beyond Antallos/Port Krin, spinward of the Inner Sphere in the Deep Periphery; arrival in orbit 49 days after making inquiries at Port Krin so presumably 2-3 jumps. Germanium deposits make the jungle world very valuable. Was colonized by House Kurita "hundreds of years ago" but repeatedly captured by Davion ("changes hands every few decades"). "Apocalypse Now"ish scenario in First Strike sourcebook hunting for ex-Davion general "The Old Man", unfortunately no dates, names or locations given (AFFC operation so FedCom timeframe). Remote possibility this is Farstar.

- Abandoned world near Antallos/Port Krin, former OA world abandoned "long ago" after repeated FS attacks. Has two moons. Blasted remains of village used as a meeting point by dodgy dealers in 3057. (Royalty & Rogues, p. 16)

- Unnamed world 15 ly coreward from DC cache world Durham, where a fugitive merc unit found a crashed Star League DropShip and recovered a number of BattleMechs. Durham is also within 7 ly from Isfahan, where the raiders set up their base. Since the pirates originally fled from the LC the worlds are presumably coreward of the DC, closer to the LC border.
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« Reply #3 on: 26 January 2011, 06:34:35 »
The Explorer Corps sourcebook has a map on p48 with a large number of minor settlements in the coreward Deep Periphery. However, since they appear for the first time in this book (as far as I am aware) and come with a map showing their exact location I have not included them in the list. Namely, these are:

- Attenbrooks (Diamond Shark orbital fleet base and trading post)
- Bazaar (Diamond Shark surface trading post)
- Cambridge (Cambridge Perimeter Defense Station, Jade Falcon orbital fleet base at nadir jump point)
- Ctesiphon (Nova Cat surface cargo way station)
- Harris (Wolf surface garrison)
- Ghent (Smoke Jaguar garrison)
- Gwithian (occupied colony, Nova Cat garrison)
- Kinbrace (Steel Viper surface cargo station)
- Nouveaux Paris (colony occupied by Smoke Jaguars)
- Ramsey (Steel Viper surface cargo station/garrison)
- Santiago IV (Jade Falcon garrison)
- Salonika (Nova Cat fleet base at nadir jump point)
- St. Jean (reclusive Franciskan monk colony occupied, Jade Falcon surface cargo storage)
- Suda Bay (Smoke Jaguar fleet base at nadir jump point)
- Transfer Facility 4, aka TF4 (Smoke Jaguar surface cargo way station)
- Transfer Station P3 (Wolf cargo way station at zenith jump point)
- Transfer Station P9 (Wolf orbital cargo way station and fleet base)
- Transfer TJ239H2 (orbital Jade Falcon cargo transfer facility)
- Trelleborg (Ghost Bear fleet base at nadir jump point)
- Trinity (Jade Falcon surface garrison and cargo storage facility)
- Wark (Steel Viper garrison)
- Wolf Orbital 82 (Wolf fleet base at zenith jump point)


Generally interesting information:

- The HB:Liao states the CC as of 3025 has 217 systems with an average of two populated worlds in them (426 worlds in the 217 systems); similarly, the Duchy of Fenestere mentioned in HB:Davion (FS?) encompasses 18 planets in (only) 5 systems.

- The HB:Steiner states that the LC spans "over 300 planets" (likely meaning "systems" from the context). It goes on to say that "for every inhabited planet, at least five to ten others are either uninhabited, inhospitable, or with populations too small or private to be recognized".
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« Reply #4 on: 26 January 2011, 08:23:35 »
Some useful comments carried over from the old forum thread:

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One of things I came across while doing my RWR atlas in the Periphery section was that a few of those worlds were renamed. A quick example is The Rack and Pain went by different names during the RWR/SL era. A better example is the world of Winfield now in the Jade Falcon OZ, was originally called Treeline. It changed its name because some important family started some electronics plant there (I think thats what it was). But I had to do some digging online and in sourcebooks to figure out they were the same world, only renamed.

So just a suggestion, a few of these may have merely changed there names, but the reference may hard to find (if any).

Another example I just remembered Carver V changing its name to Liberty.

Quote from: roosterboy
If you compare the 2822 Lyran Commonwealth map with a modern map, you can see that The Rack and Pain used to be called Port Vail and Dijonne, respectively, and were indeed members of the RWR. (And Dijonne was apparently settled some time between 2571 and 2822, since it doesn't appear onn the former map. Which, technically, I guess, means it could have actually been settled after the fall of the RWR.)

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Quote from: silentwarrior
ISP2 p.19
Veil is on the 3067map from my german introductory box set.
If you align this with the map from the House Steiner Handbook (pg 36) it shows the world Veil was once called Oporto.

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Zlatous would be a typo for Zlatousi. It and Kazarka have long appeared on the map, just inside the Combine's border with the Outworlds Alliance.
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So Kazarka is a typo for Kazanka?  (They are in the Tabayama Prefecture btw).
Yeah. The same world shows up on multiple maps spelled either Kazanka or Kazarka.

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Quote from: Jaim_Magnus
If you look at the 3130 map, Kerensky's Vision is in the lower part of the Wolf OZ.  Up and slightly to the right of Arcturus.
It's in the exact location that Qualip occupies on 3SW and earlier maps in HBHS. The Wolves resettled an abandoned/dead world for their new colony.

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I wonder if Tsarina and Tsanna are one and the same.  Over the years there have been quite a few misspellings in the Battletech literature.  Many of these misspellings seem to be in regards to planet names where letters could look as if they could be spelled two different ways.  Take Chamdo/Charndo for instance.  In the original House Liao sourcebook, the planet appears as Chamdo on the map, but on the list of planets it is listed as Charndo.  If you'll notice, "rn" looks a lot like "m."  There was obviously an editorial mistake somewhere along the line that listed this planet as Charndo, as future books seem to only use Chamdo.  I think Tsanna and Tsarina could be another one of these examples.  In my estimation, "nn" could possibly be mistaken for "rin."  Could Tsarina be a misprint that was meant to be Tsanna instead.
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« Reply #5 on: 26 January 2011, 08:32:08 »
Good to see this!

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« Reply #6 on: 26 January 2011, 20:37:12 »
Nice to see this information was saved outside the forum and could be recovered!
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« Reply #7 on: 26 January 2011, 20:46:15 »
Not everything on the old forums is lost between the Google cache and the forum archive.  Where he got this, I don't know.

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« Reply #8 on: 27 January 2011, 03:27:31 »
This is actually dragged back from the grave the forum archives that Deathshadow kindly created. Luckily, no data loss since October.
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« Reply #9 on: 27 January 2011, 15:57:21 »
Trentwash II

"beyond the Elysian Field" -- is the exact quote.

a Rim Worlds colony, founded by Cynthia Amaris.

the Explorer Corps group that re-found this world were attacked by a group of locals with "antique weapons of vintage precision". the Corps group lost 17 out of 20 -- in retaliation, the senior Adept turned the DropShip's weapons on the attackers and the Star League-era city they came from.

heavy paraphrasing of "exerpt from ROM investigation of report by Adept Antonian Nokaj, Explorer Corps Vessel Divine Providence, regarding incident on Trentwash II (Beyond the Elysian Field), November 2973"

ComStar Sourcebook, page 45...


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« Reply #10 on: 28 January 2011, 17:30:41 »
Good find, thanks!  :)
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« Reply #11 on: 28 January 2011, 17:56:22 »
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- Isfahan (Explorer Corps pg100), 7 light-years from Durham; conjectural information places it in the deep periphery coreward of the DC
There's additional information about the world in XTRO: Pirates. It has only one major settlement, Kerman, and by 3067 it is occupied by a lesser pirate king known as Hakim al-Shahab, former member of Vance Rezak's Band of the Damned. It seems he still controlls the world as of 3077.

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« Reply #12 on: 28 January 2011, 18:39:59 »
There's additional information about the world in XTRO: Pirates. It has only one major settlement, Kerman

Info that first showed up in the BattleCorps story "Under the Shadows of the Stars".

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« Reply #13 on: 29 January 2011, 08:17:33 »
Info that first showed up in the BattleCorps story "Under the Shadows of the Stars".
Huh, I didn't know that. Anyway, the more canon sources the better.

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« Reply #14 on: 29 January 2011, 17:34:20 »
You know I'm shocked that no one has mentioned Federated Suns' Arcadia yet.

"Sometimes, it is hard for social historians to judge the causes and effects of change. On Arcadia, another
'garden world' of the Crucis March, peace and prosperity were the watchwords even in the worst years of the Terran retreat from her former colonies. The planet’s plentiful water, extensive agriculture, abundant raw materials, and
booming industrial economy made Arcadia the logical heart of the new Federated Suns
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House Davion Sourcebook PDF, page 22.

The Svendotters were a key family from Arcadia. Paul Davion married Marge Svendotter that produced Simon Davion.

House Davion Sourcebook PDF, page 30.

As for where Arcadia was located, it only appears on the map of the Federated Suns at founding on page 18 in the House Davion Handbook. It's about a jump away from New Avalon.

As for its fate, I have no idea, but since it was so close to New Avalon, it probably got destroyed in the First Succession War. 

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« Reply #15 on: 31 January 2011, 15:52:46 »
there was a suggestion on the crashed boards that Arcadia of the FedSuns might be one of the Hidden.
it seems to be in a good location for that, from what I remember.

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« Reply #16 on: 31 January 2011, 16:07:42 »
It's a jump away from New Avalon, but at the same time, it's a bit of a know commodity. It's not like the Suns is really going to forget the location of one of its leading early member planets.

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« Reply #17 on: 31 January 2011, 16:14:10 »
It's a jump away from New Avalon, but at the same time, it's a bit of a know commodity. It's not like the Suns is really going to forget the location of one of its leading early member planets.

Jardine's location probably wasn't really forgotten.  Digging the data up, on the other hand...

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« Reply #18 on: 02 February 2011, 01:08:29 »
Arcadia is one jump from New Avalon.

Where did the DCMS offensive in 1st Succession War reach? One jump from New Avalon.

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« Reply #19 on: 02 February 2011, 07:49:50 »
That's a very good point, and it explains it very nicely.

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« Reply #20 on: 02 February 2011, 09:58:40 »
Great to see this very excellent thread back.  Here's a quirky one from the original TR3025 (p. 186):

"John [Cassion] is currently working for the New Battle Creek Defense League on the planet Kearny within the Federated Suns.... His quick action once saved the life of Dr. Banzai of Team Banzai."

There is indeed a Kearny on the maps -- but it's deep in the FWL, not the FS.  I would chalk the "Federated Suns" reference up to a typo, but the reference to Dr. Banzai seems to militate against that.  A quick review revealed no Kearny on the FS historical maps.

While I'm at it, p. 184 also has a reference to the Davion planet of Quinten -- very probably a typo for Quentin, but the references to the cities Troy and Birmingham do not correspond to any known features of Quentin.  (Perhaps it was colonized by Alabamans.)

p. 170 references an attack by Kurita forces on the Davion planet of Hoan III.  Could be a typo for "Hean", which the IS Atlas indicates is the third planet in its system.

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« Reply #21 on: 03 March 2011, 16:44:38 »
Some new additions:

Haddings (the hidden WoB training world from BC story Desperate Measures)

Also from the German-only (and thus apocryphal) novel Die Albatros-Akte:
- El Aïdi and Muscatine, two Lyran colonies in the Protectorate of Donegal that were abandoned in or just prior to 2838
- Kumkol VII, a research station also in the Protectorate of Donegal
- Orathon, an uninhabited system in the Protectorate of Donegal used as a recharging system between Ludwigshafen and Mahone
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« Reply #22 on: 11 July 2011, 08:05:29 »
Thread necromancy, but  think it's better to keep the information in one place...

Rahway II
Davion world, probably near DC border, almost exclusively reserved for 'MechWarrior R&R
Fiction for CityTech (1st Ed.), FASA 1608, page 40
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« Reply #23 on: 12 July 2011, 14:43:54 »
Some new additions:

Haddings (the hidden WoB training world from BC story Desperate Measures)

Also from the German-only (and thus apocryphal) novel Die Albatros-Akte:
- El Aïdi and Muscatine, two Lyran colonies in the Protectorate of Donegal that were abandoned in or just prior to 2838
- Kumkol VII, a research station also in the Protectorate of Donegal
- Orathon, an uninhabited system in the Protectorate of Donegal used as a recharging system between Ludwigshafen and Mahone

Haddings --

was a Lyran/Terran/Lyran world, in/near the Isle of Skye -- in a line roughly between Alioth and Muphrid, and Mizar and Lipton...

in HB: Steiner -- it was on the 2571, 2822, and 2864 maps, disappears by the 3025 map...

still looking for the others, and CVB's addition....

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 6 September 2011)
« Reply #24 on: 06 September 2011, 06:19:22 »
Time for some updates.
With the publication of Field Report: Periphery, the Wanted list has grown a bit shorter as all Hanseatic League and Nueva Castile/Umayyad worlds are now pegged on an official map.

Also, thanks to The Hawk for adding Hoan III/Hean (have asked Oystein about this), Quinten and Kearny (FS) to the list, and to CVB for Rahway II (don't know how I missed that one - good catch!).
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« Reply #25 on: 23 September 2011, 05:17:26 »
1) We can also list the content of the Chainelaine Isles (I have a hypothesis as to which former RWR worlds may be included in the Isles)
2) Farhome (Periphery 2nd Edition)
3) Etienne's Sanctuary

I now count 3107 named systems, of which 3002 of them show up in maps. gonna be a headache identifying/eliminating the 105.

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« Reply #26 on: 23 September 2011, 07:56:23 »
1) We can also list the content of the Chainelaine Isles (I have a hypothesis as to which former RWR worlds may be included in the Isles)

Er, how can planets the identities of which we can only hypothesize about be listed?

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« Reply #27 on: 23 September 2011, 08:17:41 »
well i overlapped the 2750 RWR map with the deep periphery map from WoR, using the 3067 LC map as anchor and i identified 6 worlds the neatly fell inside the borders of the Isles. In fact two of those 2750 maps appeared to influence the shape of the borders. As i said, it's just a theory based on the methodology above.
As an alternative we can list "Chainelaine Isles" as an entry

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« Reply #28 on: 24 September 2011, 11:28:16 »
well i overlapped the 2750 RWR map with the deep periphery map from WoR, using the 3067 LC map as anchor and i identified 6 worlds the neatly fell inside the borders of the Isles. In fact two of those 2750 maps appeared to influence the shape of the borders. As i said, it's just a theory based on the methodology above.
As an alternative we can list "Chainelaine Isles" as an entry

Hmm.  Well, my view is that they're not "unmapped" or "lost" if they're identifiable, but it's Frabby's list. ;)  I would be interested to know what you found, though.  Going from the Explorer Corps map (don't have WoR yet) I'm guessing Vannes, Fredotto, Syrstart, Far Reach, Paran and Tordenskjold?

(As an aside, apparently I've never looked that closely at this part of the RWR 2750 map.  Paran?  Apsalar?  Seems like somebody was reading The Malazan Book of the Fallen when they put that one together...  ::))

EDIT: Of course, I also just noticed "Malazan" on the Bolan Thumb on the same map, so now I'm even more convinced of that conclusion... ;)
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« Reply #29 on: 24 September 2011, 11:41:58 »
hah right on the money! Those were the six ones that neatly fell in the silhouette of the Isles. I'm guessing some (or all) of them form part of the Isles and then there are some newly discovered worlds that make up the rest. I just can't remember how many worlds there are exactly. I hope we get to see them someday like the Hanseatic League and Nueva Castile/Escorpion Imperio.
It's kinda sad that we don't get to see the Isles and the JarnFolk worlds in the published IS maps despite the proximity. When i overlapped the maps it was possible to show those two factions' borders in the page.

EDIT: HAHA! thanks Oystein for a wish fulfilled! Chainelane Isles finally appear on the full IS map! well, we got 5 of the 6 systems right at least. Now I hope we get to see the JarnFolk on future maps near Alfirk  :)) then one with the Clan Worlds and far periphery systems
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« Reply #30 on: 20 November 2011, 11:22:59 »
Øystein comments on missing/unmapped worlds past 3020 here:

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as a general rule, any "missing" Great House world mentioned post-3020s is deemed to be a secondary system some place, or an alternative name to a world, since the 3025 maps from FASA are deemed to be 'complete'. We don't have inhabited Great House (or major periphery) systems that are not shown on the maps.

Also, Harry found some interesting (although technically apocryphal) information where missing systems were translated as known systems in the German edition of the book that mentions them (Decision at Thunder Rift):
- Drune II --> Beta VII
- Chekkar --> Kaesong
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« Reply #31 on: 16 March 2012, 10:16:32 »
I have been searching for a map of the Chainelane Isles for ever, and I feel like I found it in one of the sourcebooks once, can anyone tell me which it is? I have been getting a massive headache trying to find it.

I am also curious if worlds that were part of the TC and OA that are no longer on maps considered lost?

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« Reply #32 on: 16 March 2012, 10:57:05 »
I have been searching for a map of the Chainelane Isles for ever, and I feel like I found it in one of the sourcebooks once, can anyone tell me which it is? I have been getting a massive headache trying to find it.

I am also curious if worlds that were part of the TC and OA that are no longer on maps considered lost?

Field Manual: 3085 has the only detailed map of the Chainelane Worlds. An outline map of it has appeared in some sourcebooks, like Explorer Corps, and Warriors of Kerensky, IIRC.

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« Reply #33 on: 16 March 2012, 11:01:19 »
Thanks! I knew I had seen it somewhere!

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129A-14H - site of an abandoned colony somewhere on the border of the Circinus Federation. Used as a bolthole for elements of the 49th Shadow Division prior to the death of the Master, and nuked extensively from orbit by the Regulans before their task force hit Circinus in April 3081, according to the Wild Weasel chaos campaign track in Jihad: Final Reckoning.

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« Reply #35 on: 05 July 2012, 16:14:21 »
Updated. Also found a reference to the "Sylven" system on p. 6 of the old GDL scenario book, where it says that "Trellwan would become a dagger in the Commonwealth's back, a staging area for launching attacks toward Drune II, Sylven, and, ultimately, toward the Steiner capital, Tharkad itself."

Drune II and Sylven are both marked as unmapped worlds.
In the German translation of the scenario books, they are translated as "Reiche Ernte" (=Bountiful Harvest) and "Wroclaw", respectively.
In the fashion of what was done to Chekaar, this may apocryphically establish the systems in question.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 5 July 2012)
« Reply #36 on: 06 July 2012, 14:52:14 »
Barahona is on the map in HB: MPS p. 147. You might just try a CTRL+F search on maps for some of these worlds.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 5 July 2012)
« Reply #37 on: 06 July 2012, 16:45:52 »
Barahona is on the map in HB: MPS p. 147. You might just try a CTRL+F search on maps for some of these worlds.
I normally do a CTRL-F search on several publications including HB:MPS... not sure how I missed this. Thanks for pointing this out.
Since HB:MPS is older than the BC scenario in question, it was never an unmapped world to begin with. I have removed Barahona from the list.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #38 on: 15 August 2012, 08:24:29 »
New find: Niue, as described in the BattleCorps story "Commerce is all". Seems to be in the periphery somewhere in the Circinus Federation/Illyrian Palatinate/Magistracy of Canopus region though no conclusive info is given.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #39 on: 12 October 2012, 09:18:28 »
So, in a recent Ask the Writers post, the following statement was made by Øystein:

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100% of all settled systems within the Great Houses and Near Periphery nations are shown on the maps. 100%.
There is no "too small to be shown" if it is within a Great House.  HPGs has also nothing to do with any systems ever appearing on any maps. If it is not on the map, it is deader than a norwegian blue.

I raise it here because this seems to have consequences for the effort toward which this thread is directed.  Let us assume that all planets listed above that could be secondary or tertiary planets in a mapped system are.  Let us further disregard Periphery planets (as Øystein went on to state that only important Periphery worlds appear on the maps.)  What consequences does the above statement leave us with?

The Five spring to mind immediately as a problem.  Jardine, for instance, must have been "settled" to some extent before its destruction, yet it dropped off the maps.  Presumably the same is true of at least two of the other three Hidden unless they're all Gabriels, i.e. secondary planets in an otherwise inhabited (and mapped) system.  The ComStar base systems, Ross and Luyten, must also have had some type of population over the centuries, minimal though it must be, though they've never been mapped.

Are there any other known systems that 1) are in the Inner Sphere; 2) from their description must be in their own system (rather than a secondary world in a system); and 3) don't appear on a map corresponding with the period of their habitation, and thus would violate the absolute rule reflected in the above quote?

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #40 on: 12 October 2012, 12:36:11 »
Much as I respect Oystein and his work, I don't think this quote of his will hold up against Herb if some "new" (forgotten and previously unmapped) system springs up in some canonical book from the old days. One day I may check the map on the BattleTech 2nd Ed. box cover (with the battling Warhammer and infantry superimposed on it) versus existing star maps just for fun, because I don't think anybody did that yet. And there's always the possibility that a new world gets retconned in through new fiction, even if just because the factcheckers don't realize it is a new one.

As for the Hidden Five, this thread was never aimed at them specifically. But while we're at it, Herb has explicitly confirmed that the three as-yet unidentified ones show up on old maps already, though under different names of course.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #41 on: 12 October 2012, 12:45:38 »
Øystein's comment was regarding known inhabitation. Hidden worlds or some bandits setting up camp in a formerly inhabitated system wouldn't get put on the maps.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #42 on: 12 October 2012, 13:05:24 »
There's also a tendency for worlds to have dropped off the map during the Age of War, only to reappear later. We don't have a map of the entire Inner Sphere dated earlier than 2571, only partial maps based around the founding of the various Great Houses (less the Camerons). I've come across several planets like Cebalrai recently, where the text history doesn't match the maps; the answers given in the Ask The Writers forum have generally been that the world was settled before the Reunification War, depopulated, and then later repopulated. It would be easy to add a planet to a later map and simply state that the population was eradicated between maps - settled in the Age of War, depopulated by 2571; settled during the First Succession War, depopulated before 2822, and so on.

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #43 on: 12 October 2012, 13:40:30 »
Much as I respect Oystein and his work, I don't think this quote of his will hold up against Herb if some "new" (forgotten and previously unmapped) system springs up in some canonical book from the old days.

Actually, it does. Any "missing" post-3025 worlds mentioned in various old scenario books are generally considered secondary and tertiary worlds in already existing systems. We have gone with the basis that the 3025 maps are complete regarding the Great Houses. This has been the policy ever since I've been doing maps, and approved by the line developers.

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #44 on: 09 January 2013, 16:35:50 »
Frabby --

another possible addition to the missing -- Valin.

I was looking through my FASA 3060 TRO, and I found this in the UrbanMech IIC entry:

"Clan Burrock attempted to acquire Coyote genetic material by raiding the Coyote repository on Valin."

I don't know if this was corrected in later versions of this TRO, and I don't recall anything about any Clan space dead worlds before the Wars of Reaving. Maybe it's the name of one of the continents on one of the Coyote worlds, but I'm not sure....

or I just missed something elsewhere....

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #45 on: 09 January 2013, 16:45:31 »
That was corrected to Tamaron in the CGL version.

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #46 on: 09 January 2013, 17:01:15 »
Also, note that the wording is somewhat ambigous. "Valin" could denote a continent or an elevated terrain feature as easily as a planet or moon in this context.
But it is a good find nevertheless - don't be discouraged reppa!  O0
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #47 on: 09 January 2013, 17:11:28 »
That was corrected to Tamaron in the CGL version.

ah, and kind of what I expected...

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #48 on: 10 January 2013, 14:43:59 »
- Knutstad (ISP p47)
This planet is on maps in Historical: Liberation of Terra Vol 1 and Era Report: 2750

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #49 on: 18 January 2013, 02:31:54 »
I think this might be a bit of a tangent as it's a purely real world/OOC typo issue.

What was the story on Kaznejov being retconned to Kaznejoy?  I mean, yes I know it's Official.  And I heard it had to do with what appeared to be a typo on a fold-out IS map due to the interaction of a circle printed directly over the 'v' in the system's name.

Since the original House Kurita Atlas clearly named it Kaznejov I'm curious what was the reason for the 'clarification'?   I'm not trying to beat a dead horse.. I honestly don't know the full story.

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #50 on: 18 January 2013, 03:55:31 »
It's a typo that has been stuck and just instead of going back and correcting a decades worth of maps and sourcebooks, we've decided that Kaznejoy is the correct spelling. It happens now and then. There are about a dozen troublesome worlds that keeps having multiple spellings in sourcebooks (like Itabaiana and New Vandenburg for instance) over the years and we had to pick one to be the correct one.

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Two more from the BC story "A Distant Thunder": Altruis, essentially an uninhabited system with a blue giant star used as a waypoint for quick recharging, and Rumor V which may or may not be the (otherwise unnamed) colony world near Valencia that was destroyed by what circumstances suggest was the WoB Erinyes.
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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #52 on: 12 February 2013, 01:36:57 »
So, in a recent Ask the Writers post, the following statement was made by Øystein:

I raise it here because this seems to have consequences for the effort toward which this thread is directed.  Let us assume that all planets listed above that could be secondary or tertiary planets in a mapped system are.  Let us further disregard Periphery planets (as Øystein went on to state that only important Periphery worlds appear on the maps.)  What consequences does the above statement leave us with?

The Five spring to mind immediately as a problem.  Jardine, for instance, must have been "settled" to some extent before its destruction, yet it dropped off the maps.  Presumably the same is true of at least two of the other three Hidden unless they're all Gabriels, i.e. secondary planets in an otherwise inhabited (and mapped) system.  The ComStar base systems, Ross and Luyten, must also have had some type of population over the centuries, minimal though it must be, though they've never been mapped.

Are there any other known systems that 1) are in the Inner Sphere; 2) from their description must be in their own system (rather than a secondary world in a system); and 3) don't appear on a map corresponding with the period of their habitation, and thus would violate the absolute rule reflected in the above quote?

This pricked a point of memory in my mind, in Handbook: House Steiner it explicitly states that there are some worlds that are not mapped because they are "too small, private, etc" and in other publications it has stated that many realms have "periphery holdings" like mining concerns and other such possessions. So what does official canon say about such systems? Are they "too small to be mapped"? If so, does that explain some of the more random names we see? And does that leave room for systems with a population (I would assume absolutely minuscule) to exist within/without of the Great Houses and Periphery realms?

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« Reply #53 on: 12 February 2013, 09:49:04 »
This pricked a point of memory in my mind, in Handbook: House Steiner it explicitly states that there are some worlds that are not mapped because they are "too small, private, etc" and in other publications it has stated that many realms have "periphery holdings" like mining concerns and other such possessions. So what does official canon say about such systems? Are they "too small to be mapped"? If so, does that explain some of the more random names we see? And does that leave room for systems with a population (I would assume absolutely minuscule) to exist within/without of the Great Houses and Periphery realms?

Coincidentally, I also read in ISP3 the other day the following in-universe quote:

"...while invaluable, official maps produced by ComStar and its Explorer Corps as well as other published sources cover only worlds with high population densities, major industries, and HPG coverage."

(Pg. 16.)  I wasn't going to mention it, but I do note that many, possibly even all, maps are fluffed as being in-universe ComStar documents (the ones from the Handbook series are all tagged as (c) 3067 ComStar Cartographic Corps), so we have an in-universe source telling us that other in-universe sources are incomplete based, presumably, on in-universe experience...

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #54 on: 12 February 2013, 10:00:12 »
Coincidentally, I also read in ISP3 the other day the following in-universe quote:

"...while invaluable, official maps produced by ComStar and its Explorer Corps as well as other published sources cover only worlds with high population densities, major industries, and HPG coverage."

That refers to Periphery maps and outside the established periphery powers.

All inhabited systems are displayed on the Great House maps.

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Re: Unmapped, lost or misnamed planets (last updated 15 August 2012)
« Reply #55 on: 12 February 2013, 12:09:35 »
That refers to Periphery maps and outside the established periphery powers.

All inhabited systems are displayed on the Great House maps.

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Two more, from Blitzkrieg: Operation Ice Storm:

- Falcon's Beacon, a deep periphery Jade Falcon "Watch outpost" that the Ice Hellions seized in 3071 to move a massive supply convoy through, only to have a Whirlwind appear unexpectedly in the middle of the helpless convoy. One of the events that spelled doom for Clan Ice Hellion. The location is unclear and said not to be on most maps even by the Jade Falcons, but it will obviously lie between the Clan homeworlds and the Jade Falcon occupation zone.

- NGC-99382, an uninhabited system from which, after withdrawing from Camelot Command in the Dark Nebula, the Ice Hellions make the "first jump of many that would start the Ice Hellions along the Exodus Road back to home". So apparently, it's somewhere in the CJF OZ the IS or in the near periphery, presumably one jump coreward of the Dark Nebula.

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- "NGC" doesn't denote a system. It's an abbrevation for a catalogue number in the New General Catalogue of Nebulae and Clusters of Stars (abbreviated as NGC). As such, objects in the NGC catalogue are, well, clusters or nebulae or entire galaxies. That's an order of magnitude beyond a single system. The name of this star system is the equivalent of naming some back alley in a backwater town after a whole continent.
- Also, the Dark Nebula. It's pretty much treated like a single system in the story, but it isn't. It is a nebula, i.e. an area of space. In this particular case, according to canonical information, we're looking at a "vast cloud of ionized gas" with "several" white and red dwarf stars and at least 17 pulsars in it, a couple of lightyears across. Intense radiation is mentioned. Camelot Command is a planetoid orbiting one of the red dwarfs, which so far however has no name.
Other clusters in BattleTech have similar problems, lumping separate star systems together into a "cluster" for no good reason at all.
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This is technically correct, certainly - I'll admit my astromy knowledge is fairly light -, but a lot of systems in the BT Universe are not mapped because they are not inhabited. So, I've always considered that having a single system mapped in the Dark Nebula meant there was but a single inhabited one, the remainder being inhospitable to Terran life.
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- "NGC" doesn't denote a system. It's an abbrevation for a catalogue number in the New General Catalogue of Nebulae and Clusters of Stars (abbreviated as NGC). As such, objects in the NGC catalogue are, well, clusters or nebulae or entire galaxies. That's an order of magnitude beyond a single system. The name of this star system is the equivalent of naming some back alley in a backwater town after a whole continent.


Apparently it was expanded sometime in the millennia between now and then.
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- Dragon's Field (The Sword and the Dagger p46), FS world

In the German version of The Sword and the Dagger the name was changed to Novaya Zemlya, probably because Dragon's Field could not be located on any map. So possibly Dragon's Field is just another (inofficial/local) name for Novaya Zemlya. Sarna.net seems to assume so, since in the description of the novel only Novaya Zemlya is mentioned, and in the description of the planet it says:
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Whoa. That's cool info, thanks!
That Sarna article entry for Novaya Zemlya, as well as the entire article on The Sword and the Dagger were written by me, based on my German edition of the book. (It's dirt common in Germany but the English original is a rare and expensive collector's item these days, and I was't prepared to pay 50 bucks for it.)
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That explains it. I was lucky to have a copy of Sword and Dagger included in a lot of novels I bought from ebay several years back. I probably paid as much as the novel was worth on its own.  :D

Reading the article on Decision at Thunder Rift on sarna, it shows that the same thing happened there with names changed for unidentified planets in the translation, e.g.:
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Drune II (mentioned as the site of a Lyran base; identified with Beta VII in the book's German edition)
The same note could be included in the Sword and the Dagger article, but was there ever an official statement/ruling by the writers about this? Generally I would assume the original English edition to trump any translation in case of conflicting information. So it would be nice to know if the German edition is "wrong", or if it is a valid assumption to equate the planets with different names.

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Not sure if the list is still being updated regularly, but we know now that Brazen Heart is in the St. Ives Commonality, and New Florence is not a FS world.
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Not sure if the list is still being updated regularly, but we know now that Brazen Heart is in the St. Ives Commonality, and New Florence is not a FS world.
Are you referring to a particular recent source here?

We've known Brazen Heart to be in the St. Ives Commonality pretty much since it was first mentioned. As noted in the list, Bryant seems to fit the bill quite well but ultimately, it's not yet positively proven.

As for New Florence, can you cite a source?
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Brazen Heart is a moon of Brighton, St. Ive Commonality. Source: Handbook House Liao page 82.

New Florence is not a FS as per, for example, the post 2nd Succession War maps in both HB House Liao (page 41) and HB House Davion (page 60).
From its disappearance but being in a region taken by the FS, I'd say the FS destroyed it during their consistent advances into Liao territory. Probably nuked it or using a biological weapon due to its high value to House Liao, seeing as many CCAF commands were raised or recruited from there (as least per the original Liao sourcebook).
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New Florence was a Terran Hegemony world founded sometime between 2271 (HB:HMarik p 16) and 2366 (HB:HLiao p 17) annexed by the Draconis Combine in the First Succession War (HB:HLiao p 31) and then taken by the Capellan Confederation in the Second Succession War (HB:HLiao p 39). It vanished from maps between 2864 and 3025 (HB:HLiao p 40).

New Florence was located between Ronel and Tybalt. I'm not aware of anything having been published that indicates why the world vanished off the maps, but that's not uncommon. The fact that it vanished off maps in the Third Succession War rather than in the First or Second would seem to imply that it was a victim of something other that weapons of mass destruction, given that I can't think of many cases in canon where worlds were attacked with such weapons during that war - the era has been described as seeing lower levels of warfare than the planet-eating destruction of the first two succession wars. Although there's always the possibility that it was hit with WMDs during the First or Second Succession War, and simply became ecologically untenable - we've seen that happen with worlds during the Jihad, like Radstadt. When I wrote the New Florence entry on Sarna, I didn't attribute its vanishing from maps to any particular cause as I'm not aware of one having been cited in canon, so it seemed inappropriate to speculate. If there's something out there that contradicts it, a reference would be handy because I could incorporate that information into Sarna.

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Replaced with Harvest in the German edition.

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- Bruges (see Bergen)
Bergen and Bruges are visible on maps of the Hanseatic League in both Field Report: Periphery and Wars of Reaving

- Corigan (Star League Sourcebook p49), TC world
Any chance that this actually refers to the Corigan hills region of Deifenbaker (Periphery sourcebook 1st Ed, p. 31)

- Garrote (BattleCorps: "To Serve the Dragon")
Any chance this is a misspelling of the Rim Territories world of Garotte?

- Knutstad (ISP p47)
The location of Knutstad is shown on the map on page 37 of Era Report: 2750.

- Orion Nebula (Explorer Corps), M-class system more than 1600 ly from Terra. Furthest Explorer Corps scientific expedition when carried out in 2982
The Orion Nebula is depicted on the map on page 62 of Interstellar Players 3: Interstellar Expeditions.

- "Samoyedic Colonies" (MercSuppU p38), hidden 12-planet system in the deep periphery, reportedly past Circinus. Possibly held hostage by WoB to ascertain loyalty of Blanc's Coyotes
The Union of Samoyedic Colonies is depicted on the map on page 50 of Interstellar Players 3: Interstellar Expeditions.

- Alexandria (The Clans: WoK p72), Tanite World, Clan CC possessions (others: Stacha, Tanis)
- Stacha (see Alexandria)
- Tanis (see Alexandria)
The location of the Tanis system is shown on the map on page 227 of Wars of Reaving.

- Mayadi (LinkNet), Hidden World implied to lie in either Kurita, Davion or Liao space. Others are Obeedah and Taussen.
- Obeedah (see Mayadi)
- Taussen (see Mayadi)
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Kortrijk, Dendermonde, Knokke-Heist, and Ixelles.

From the Wars of Reaving Supplemental, p. 14, these are four resource-rich spinward worlds on the frontier border of the Hanseatic League conquered by the Homeworld clans in 3088 as a beachhead for future ops. These four worlds don't appear on any of the maps published of the Hanseatic League so far.

An error corrected version of the product is available, where those systems have been changed to Stettin, Wismar, Kampen and Novgorod.

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I am curious to see if Ross 248/Terrelibre will ever make it onto the Inner Sphere maps.
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An error corrected version of the product is available, where those systems have been changed to Stettin, Wismar, Kampen and Novgorod.
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Updated again, and posting here to bump the thread; I guess otherwise the updates aren't seen.

Most notably I decided to remove Drovahchein II/Erit Star Cluster from the unmapped systems and put them into the "found" list. In Mendrugo's excellent fiction review thread we've narrowed down possible locations for the Erit Star Cluster and the Drovahchein system within it to somewhere within the Dark Nebula, which by all accounts is "largely" but not entirely unmapped and contains a multitude of suns and pulsars. There is simply no other candidate for a star cluster between Tharkad, Trellwan and the Lyran coreward periphery border besides the Dark Nebula, which however is a rather large area of space.
The Erit Cluster is expicitly said be lie in Lyran space, i.e. not in the periphery, and it has officially been stated that all colonized systems in the IS are now shown on maps; if they aren't then the worlds in question are secondary worlds in one of the known systems.
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Despite that fact that it hasn't actually been found? That makes sense.

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well, it is re-categorized as Green [instead of Blue], meaning we know it's in a particular location, just that we are not able to pinpoint the exact spot/system.

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Page 94 of the House Davion book mentions a Battle of Wright, where a Liao offensive was crushed.  Doesn't explicitly say it's a world, but at the same time BT isn't in the habit of naming battles after cities, although it is possible I suppose.  It would have to be a Davion world on the border with the Confederation, and in the Capellan March specifically.
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necroing this because it's one of my favorites, and I have a question or two and a strange thought...

has Trentwash ever been put on a map? if so, which book has it? (thanks in advance)

if not, the phrase "antique weapons of vintage quality" from my post above and the ComStar sourcebook makes me wonder if there's a Chainelane Isles connection -- maybe these weapons somehow got there through trade from Fredotto -- the world known for its precision rifles...

so maybe Trentwash is near the Chainelanes...

apologies if this has been solved elsewhere, and I couldn't find it...

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As far as I know Trentwash has not been shown on a map. It would have been nice if the planet was shown in the coreward deep periphery map in ISP3, but no such luck.

necroing this because it's one of my favorites, and I have a question or two and a strange thought...

has Trentwash ever been put on a map? if so, which book has it? (thanks in advance)

if not, the phrase "antique weapons of vintage quality" from my post above and the ComStar sourcebook makes me wonder if there's a Chainelane Isles connection -- maybe these weapons somehow got there through trade from Fredotto -- the world known for its precision rifles...

so maybe Trentwash is near the Chainelanes...

apologies if this has been solved elsewhere, and I couldn't find it...

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necroing this because it's one of my favorites, and I have a question or two and a strange thought...

has Trentwash ever been put on a map? if so, which book has it? (thanks in advance)

if not, the phrase "antique weapons of vintage quality" from my post above and the ComStar sourcebook makes me wonder if there's a Chainelane Isles connection -- maybe these weapons somehow got there through trade from Fredotto -- the world known for its precision rifles...

so maybe Trentwash is near the Chainelanes...

apologies if this has been solved elsewhere, and I couldn't find it...

Whatever or wherever those places are, they sound very cool!
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Found a new entry in an old source: TRO 3026, 1st edition.

Pg. 16. Law's Flight is moved from Kimball VI to the world of Liezen after defeating Wilson's Hussars in 3021. Described as a boring backwater full of trees and goats.

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Found a new entry in an old source: TRO 3026, 1st edition.

Pg. 16. Law's Flight is moved from Kimball VI to the world of Liezen after defeating Wilson's Hussars in 3021. Described as a boring backwater full of trees and goats.
Liezen is not an unmapped system. It a Kurita system near the Lyran border, next to Kirchbach (and later Wolf Occupation Zone).
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Having finally gotten a good look at the scenarios coming with the old TCI Model Sets, I've added these systems (apocryphal, since the TCI set contents aren't considered canonical):
- Delos VI (in Steiner space; not to be confused with Delos in Davion space or New Delos in Marik space)
- Holloway V
- Kiyev III
- New London
- New Texas
- Valhalla VI
I haven't included the Marik world of Megres V as I assume it's meant to be Megrez.
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Frabby, you can take Lamar and Juniper off the list. Both of them are on maps in First Succession War - not all of the maps, but several of them. There's also some descriptive text to help explain why they fell off maps - Lamar was a military staging location and not much else; Juniper was newly-settled, with just one settlement and not many people, and the DCMS nuked that out of spite.

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Frabby, you can take Lamar and Juniper off the list. Both of them are on maps in First Succession War - not all of the maps, but several of them. There's also some descriptive text to help explain why they fell off maps - Lamar was a military staging location and not much else; Juniper was newly-settled, with just one settlement and not many people, and the DCMS nuked that out of spite.
Thanks. I've found Juniper. But I haven't been able to find Lamar on any map in the book.
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Ah, sorry, I was reading from notes. Lamar's depicted on the map on page 18 of Handbook: House Kurita, within the borders of the original Tamar Pact.

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I know this necro~threading but I have a question: In light of the plethora of systems that have been canonized from the 1st & 2nd SW Historical's that have been released in the past year or so, have there been any systems that maybe renamed systems when you compare maps, for example when comparing maps from 2SW Historical and ERA Report 3052 (that is systems that died out during the succession wars, only to be repopulated by the 4th SW and later?)?

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Most of worlds which have been repopulated was Age of War casualties which got repopulated during the Star League era as terraforming technology made them viable again.

Since then probably 2-3 worlds have been repopualted of worlds that was lost in fighting. (Kerensky's Vision is one of them)

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by no means official, but this is what I know of. Please correct me if I have any wrong entries:

  • Tabit, lost during Outer Reaches Rebellion, rediscovered and renamed Tyrfing around the time of the formation of Lyran Commonwealth, only to be lost again prior to start of 2SW. Visited by Interstellar Expeditions (IE) in the 3090's
  • Richmond's World, lost during the fall of the Star League, Rediscovered and renamed to Murrain by IE during 3SW
  • Huanghuadian, lost during 1SW, repopulated and renamed Tincalunas during the Dark Age
  • Shaobuon, lost during 2SW, repopulated and renamed Liu's Memory during the Dark Age
  • Green Stone, lost during 2SW, repopulated and renamed Clayborne during 3SW
  • Helbrent, lost during 2SW, repopulated and renamed Andiron during 3SW
  • Port Vail, lost during 2SW, repopulated and renamed The Rack after War of 3039
  • Dijonne, lost during 2SW, repopulated and renamed Pain after War of 3039
  • Arn, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Jia Tian during the Dark Age
  • Thamel, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Wyeth's Glory during the Dark Age
  • Zhaomaon, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Cluff's Stand during the Dark Age
  • Qualip, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Kerensky's Vision during the Dark Age
  • Ouagadougou, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Silence during the Dark Age
  • Takata, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed New Start during the Dark Age
  • Agmond, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Bornal during the Dark Age
  • Quimper, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Chirac during the Dark Age
  • Sartu, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Bastille during the Dark Age
  • Austerlitz, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Scauld during the Dark Age
  • Edirne, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Brank during the Dark Age
  • Anatolia, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Pillory during the Dark Age
  • Lushun, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Jibbet during the Dark Age
  • Lywick, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Ferreusvirgo during the Dark Age
  • Seven Lands, lost during 3SW, repopulated and renamed Garotte during the Dark Age

not counting the Hidden Five on this list.
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Nice info, you really should drop that into the BT wiki.
They have a project running were this kind of info would come very handy:
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I know this thread is years old, but all this information needs to stay together.

There's an unnamed but apparently habitable world mentioned in "House Rules" (Strategic Operations p. 164) that I don't see on this list. The story gives its location as "coordinates 421.6, –399.2." All we see is a river delta and some native trees that look more like ferns, and the story gives the impression that the whole place is very green.

The x coordinate is similar to Badlands, but they y coordinate is off by about 50 LY.

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I imagine with the launch of a good number of new products, novels and a pair of video games that there might be one or two extra worlds to add to this.
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I haven't quite kept up with the torrent of new products over the past few years so this list may not be totally up-to-date regarding recently published maps and info.

That said, I've just realized that the canonical world of Fjaldr as described in the House Arano book matches Tibolt to a t - I'd argue they might be the same world, even though there is no positive proof.
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Maybe run that one by the writers?  8)

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Maybe run that one by the writers?  8)

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Malarn, FS backwater border world, mentioned in Periphery II (FASA 1692) pp. 18 and 86 as the headquarters world of the Citizens for Davion Purity.

Seems to be a misspelling of Mararn.
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I know this thread is years old, but all this information needs to stay together.

It's a neverending quest. ;)
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Since someone else dug this thread up, it's worth noting that Ander's Moon is now canonically confirmed to be in the Elidere system.
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