Medium Fire Lance poll

[Ruger]

A Hunchie-4J fits into any weight class...

Just need to know how to work it, most people don't.

Just saying...

I'd use a Hunchie-4J, Thud-5D, Centurion-AH and a Valkyrie-QF in this lance. Let's see if you can see what I've done, eh?

TT

Made a fire lance that’s deadly at any range to multiple enemy types, with long range fire support, self-provided close range bodyguarding and anti-infantry abilities? 50 LRM’s, two AC/20’s, 5 medium lasers and a flamer for anti-infantry work.

Ruger

[truetanker]

Thanks, how very Lyran of you to do so...

And it's a type of lance both sides can use, before the clans invaded...

TT

[Hellraiser]

Three Centurions and a Griffin is a Heavy Lance to you?

Its actually canon even if its not accurate.

The old "tonnage/lance" table that was quoted is like that across off of the brackets.

They tended to run very "light" on those charts.

To me a lance wouldn't be "heavy" till it was over 220 tons, but the old books had it at 205+

[Failure16]

Of course, a 200 ton medium lance could consist of two Awesome's and two Flea's, and still meet the 200 ton limit. And to match with the theme of this thread, this same lance could still be considered a medium (direct) fire lance with 6 PPC's and 2 large lasers.

Ruger

That's right. Part of the fun of the original Mercenary's Handbook was trying to come up with the zaniest combinations to fit in a given tonnage. Some people preferred to make lances closer in tonnage between individual machines (the common byline), whilst others had a belief that tossing in a Stalker or Atlas into a medium lance gave them an edge in a lance-on-lance fight. Others tried out the original standard lance configuration of a Heavy, two Mediums, and a Light. Good times...

Three Centurions and a Griffin is a Heavy Lance to you?

That's what I said. If that bothers you, perhaps you should have a chat with 1984-5 and the breakdowns of BattleMech weight classes--or even why they had to be broken down by weight class at all.

[Arkansas Warrior]

A fun Medium Fire Lance under the 220 ton standard is 3 Whitworths and a King Crab.  Yes, send your light Hunter-Killers over that hill to deal with the Medium Fire Lance on the other side... >:D

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

And then they skip past red alert and go straight to brown alert.

[Weirdo]

Dude, that sounds like a great formation to play, even without the weight class shenanigans! :thumbsup:

[truetanker]

A fun Medium Fire Lance under the 220 ton standard is 3 Whitworths and a King Crab.  Yes, send your light Hunter-Killers over that hill to deal with the Medium Fire Lance on the other side... >:D

Ha... just read this... you sly dawg you! I did that in a game last year... but went more Charger-1A9 and triple Whitworth-1's. All jumpy and enough bodyguard to protect my own arse!

TT

[Hellraiser]

but I think any line units would call it Heavy.

Agreed.

[Hellraiser]

That's right. Part of the fun of the original Mercenary's Handbook was trying to come up with the zaniest combinations to fit in a given tonnage. Some people preferred to make lances closer in tonnage between individual machines (the common byline), whilst others had a belief that tossing in a Stalker or Atlas into a medium lance gave them an edge in a lance-on-lance fight. Others tried out the original standard lance configuration of a Heavy, two Mediums, and a Light. Good times...

A fun Medium Fire Lance under the 220 ton standard is 3 Whitworths and a King Crab.

This reminds me of a 200 v 200 fight we did back in the late 80's.


Friend =  Awesome-8Q,  Vindicator,  Whitworth,  Panther  (I think)

Me = Atlas  (Or maybe Alliance/Titan from BT Mag, some 100 ton beast),   Victor-9B,   2x  Mite  (10 Ton Ultra Lights from BT Mag)



It broke down into a duel of 80 tonners & the remaining Trios of 120 tons in their own fight.


I remember winning but don't recall how damaged everyone was.


None of the medium trio wanted to risk closing on the 100 ton beast while my Mites didn't have the armor to survive even a single hit really.
It was fun running them in at 15 MP to stab with the SL into the back of something & pray the arm gun didn't come around & connect.

[Ruger]

Ha... just read this... you sly dawg you! I did that in a game last year... but went more Charger-1A9 and triple Whitworth-1's. All jumpy and enough bodyguard to protect my own arse!

TT

I’ve always thought the Charger-1A9 had too many heat sinks and too little ammo.

Ruger

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

This reminds me of a 200 v 200 fight we did back in the late 80's.


Friend =  Awesome-8Q,  Vindicator,  Whitworth,  Panther  (I think)

Me = Atlas  (Or maybe Alliance/Titan from BT Mag, some 100 ton beast),   Victor-9B,   2x  Mite  (10 Ton Ultra Lights from BT Mag)



It broke down into a duel of 80 tonners & the remaining Trios of 120 tons in their own fight.


I remember winning but don't recall how damaged everyone was.


None of the medium trio wanted to risk closing on the 100 ton beast while my Mites didn't have the armor to survive even a single hit really.
It was fun running them in at 15 MP to stab with the SL into the back of something & pray the arm gun didn't come around & connect.

That reminds me of a double-blind city fight game I was in where we were required to have four units, no infantry/BA, minimum two mechs.  BV limit was... something.

I wound up bringing a pair of Singers, a Typhoon Urban Assault Vehicle, and a Daishi S.  The look on my opponent's face when his Hatchetman came around a corner and found himself nose-to-nose with a Clan assault mech was hilarious.

[blackjack]

Might I ask that the Crusader-3L be added to the list? Is a solid performer better mobility & heat management than the 3R.

[Minemech]

Might I ask that the Crusader-3L be added to the list? Is a solid performer better mobility & heat management than the 3R.

It has been added.

[Calimehter]

I had to vote for the Catapult C1.  Its nearly ideal except for the small ammo bins, but even that isn't so bad.  If you've been firing off heavy LRM salvos all game and nobody is coming for you yet, you've probably had a good day.  >:D

[Starfury]

Crusader, any variant, Dervish, Trebuchet, Thunderbolt  and Whitworth. The Bombadier is a horrible 65 ton version of the Archer. The mechs listed above give you a nice range of jump capacity, LRMs, and closer range weapons if you need a shorter range option. Ammo bombs don't bother me because  anything carrying ammo can become one. More ammo simply means more of a chance to go poof.

And if you want an off the wall suggestion, the LRM 10 version of the Gladiator.

[Rainbow 6]

Although it's more of a direct fire lance for the DCMS in the 3rd SW i'd be tempted to run a Shadow Hawk-K and three Panthers.

[Minemech]

 It appears that the poll results can be broken down into three tiers. Readers should not confuse a lack of votes with disfavor, but rather see it more as a matter of priority.