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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #810 on: 09 May 2018, 03:05:25 »
I saw in local distributor's catalogue new product for BT, Map Set. Will have this new Map Set all six maps that were mentioned in Coming Releases?
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #811 on: 09 May 2018, 04:49:06 »
distributors list announced (or sometimes even rumored) products all the time. until we get real details from cgl, it's just a retailer's placeholder for something that may or may not eventually exist. My FLGS still has a preorder for the Alpha Strike Box and Combat Manual: Davion.


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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #812 on: 09 May 2018, 21:38:27 »
I have 5 . . . this will make 7 when the boxes come out.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #813 on: 10 May 2018, 13:40:38 »
I thought the Combat Manuals all came to a end?
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #814 on: 10 May 2018, 13:48:23 »
they did, but my FLGS lists CM: Davion as a preorder. It's the peril of trusting a distributor's product listing... sometimes they're right. other times, not so much

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« Reply #815 on: 10 May 2018, 13:54:24 »
The store i use still lists the Clan box set. And i suspect that never got even as far as the CM Davion in development... Probably should send them a note that it isn't appearing...

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« Reply #816 on: 10 May 2018, 14:05:27 »
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« Reply #817 on: 10 May 2018, 14:14:39 »
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #818 on: 10 May 2018, 14:16:53 »
FLGS lists are weird, man. here's my local shop


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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #819 on: 10 May 2018, 14:24:21 »
Well, damn. LGS used to have Map Set Compilation 2 available, should've bought a second copy while i had a chance.
On the other hand, looks like they've also sold out all BattleMech Manuals, that's good i guess?
Also sold out all TRO SWs, pretty sure they had one still a couple of days back when i visited? Again, maybe i should've picked it up while i was there (i've got it as PDF though).

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #820 on: 10 May 2018, 18:54:48 »
Do they have bad information or they just trying suck money in put outstuff they THING their going put out?

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #821 on: 10 May 2018, 18:56:36 »
Probably bad info. Distributor has some stuff, game stores put that up, but never update unless it becomes relevant, like if it is asked about.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #822 on: 10 May 2018, 21:06:46 »
It's getting closer to Gencon so more updates on what comes out soon.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #823 on: 10 May 2018, 22:12:10 »
Probably bad info. Distributor has some stuff, game stores put that up, but never update unless it becomes relevant, like if it is asked about.

My guess is that they dumped the previous iteration of the Coming Releases page into product listings. Shadows of Faith re-appeared on that page for awhile, but was removed in my last update to it in March. It's one of the reasons I'm trying to stay on top of keeping that page up-to-date, and not including anything on it that isn't actively being worked on--they can't erroneously pre-sell what we don't list. And in fairness to the distributors and stores, they can't know which products we post are more or less likely to actually happen.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #824 on: 11 May 2018, 06:14:24 »
I have to say, having thinking something coming out is better what some stores have told me in the past. "Battletech dead".

I had to argue with the guy for half hour that isn't.

New product coming out is important, as long it comes. 
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #825 on: 11 May 2018, 09:04:45 »
My guess is that they dumped the previous iteration of the Coming Releases page into product listings. Shadows of Faith re-appeared on that page for awhile, but was removed in my last update to it in March. It's one of the reasons I'm trying to stay on top of keeping that page up-to-date, and not including anything on it that isn't actively being worked on--they can't erroneously pre-sell what we don't list. And in fairness to the distributors and stores, they can't know which products we post are more or less likely to actually happen.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #826 on: 11 May 2018, 17:04:21 »
Battletech is dead to most FLGS . It's been a long time since I've seen Battletech on the shelf.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #827 on: 11 May 2018, 17:36:14 »
Battletech is dead to most FLGS . It's been a long time since I've seen Battletech on the shelf.

It's hard to support BattleTech without a proper jumping on point for new players.
The BattleTech Manual and TRO Succession Wars were a step in the right direction, but for a game advertised as a board game, the general absence of ways to get a map sheet board in physical format make it a hard push. Only being able to get Hex Pack Mountains and Canyons through trade channels makes life really difficult as a retailer since the board is a huge component to gameplay.

I know most players poo-poo the intro-level Record Sheet format as well, but Record Sheets 3039 was a good product for us, since we could up-sell it to those just starting out at the time as a rules expansion that allowed the inclusion of conventional forces in their games.

I'm speaking with my retailer hat on. PDFs products are great for me as a fan, but as a retailer, I need something tangible to be able to sell to support the game and it has to be a 'Complete' range (all the components in print must allow me to present the illusion that with the products currently available it is playable as a game on it's own).

The two introductory level box sets are a huge step in the right direction.
As a retailer who wants to carry the range, I NEED those to stay in print.

I do what I can for the veteran players as I can, but new players are always the lifeblood. It's financial suicide for me as a store to throw aggressive table time behind a game that has to be hunted off the dark corners of auction sites and online PDF stores.

Nothing I'm saying should be new information, but I felt the need to say it none-the-less.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #828 on: 12 May 2018, 15:16:12 »
I personally thought the FanPro BattlePack and Starterbooks was a great idea for new players but poor sales and gripping from the existing fanbase makes me part of the minority. We also loved the Hex Packs but those to had relativity low sales numbers that couldn't justify keeping them in production. PDFs has been both the most financially successful for CGL and affordable for new players so it's kinda had to argue with that logic though it doesn't make BT very marketable to brick and mortar game shops. So we are currently stuck in a vicious cycle of not enough fans to support physical products-> need more physical products to get more fans.  Hopefully the new boxes along with the fanbase of the HBS game will give the whole franchise a jump start it needs

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #829 on: 12 May 2018, 16:21:52 »
It's hard to support BattleTech without a proper jumping on point for new players.
The BattleTech Manual and TRO Succession Wars were a step in the right direction, but for a game advertised as a board game, the general absence of ways to get a map sheet board in physical format make it a hard push. Only being able to get Hex Pack Mountains and Canyons through trade channels makes life really difficult as a retailer since the board is a huge component to gameplay.

I know most players poo-poo the intro-level Record Sheet format as well, but Record Sheets 3039 was a good product for us, since we could up-sell it to those just starting out at the time as a rules expansion that allowed the inclusion of conventional forces in their games.

I'm speaking with my retailer hat on. PDFs products are great for me as a fan, but as a retailer, I need something tangible to be able to sell to support the game and it has to be a 'Complete' range (all the components in print must allow me to present the illusion that with the products currently available it is playable as a game on it's own).

The two introductory level box sets are a huge step in the right direction.
As a retailer who wants to carry the range, I NEED those to stay in print.

I do what I can for the veteran players as I can, but new players are always the lifeblood. It's financial suicide for me as a store to throw aggressive table time behind a game that has to be hunted off the dark corners of auction sites and online PDF stores.

Nothing I'm saying should be new information, but I felt the need to say it none-the-less.

never mind the lance packs are OOP too and likely never to return  :-[
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #830 on: 12 May 2018, 17:58:29 »
The Alpha Strike Lance Packs are widely available from a number of outlets at, often, more than 50% off MSRP. "Out of print" merely means that one print run was produced with no more planned. These are even still available direct from CGL, all but the Assault Lance. There are more than enough of the Lance Packs to go around, and there is absolutely nobody nor nothing saying they're "likely never to return."
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #831 on: 12 May 2018, 18:07:11 »
Yep, I reckon that they'll get a new run after the new boxsets are out.

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« Reply #832 on: 12 May 2018, 19:40:13 »
Yep, I reckon that they'll get a new run after the new boxsets are out.

Or we'll have a new mix of minis.

Though honestly, it almost seems like the existing lance packs were overproduced as it is, given their still wide availability. They may choose to scale back a bit the next time because they don't want unsold inventory warming shelves.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #833 on: 12 May 2018, 19:47:20 »
I figure that if there are ever going to be new lance packs, they will have new miniatures, using either the new box set sculpts, or they will include other 'Mechs with new sculpts. Also figure they won't be as cheap as the previous lance packs.


Some folks i talked to regard older BT mini sculpts just unacceptable nowadays when it comes to quality, and that basically included all lance packs and previous introductory sets, even if they do contain a lot of minis for the price.
Now, they're acceptable to me (since minis aren't what draw me to BT anyway) but i can see how new players might need something better, and i don't doubt that this is a common thing, considering what kind of things other miniature games offer.

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« Reply #834 on: 12 May 2018, 20:30:44 »
And the new players would be right. A fair amount of the old sculpts suffer from the same quality issues as (as much as I love the mood he set) Earl Geier's approach to proportion (as in proportion is something that happens to other people). No one can do a smoking wreck like Geier but I doubt his old work would be accepted today. Quality has improved and it should be likewise for the premier miniatures.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #835 on: 13 May 2018, 08:30:33 »
We also loved the Hex Packs but those to had relativity low sales numbers that couldn't justify keeping them in production.

A concept that often gets lost in these discussions is sales velocity. It's not as simple as "they didn't sell." It's often that "they didn't sell fast enough." That ties up the capital used to produce that product for YEARS, when the turnaround needs to be months at most. And that goes double for a product like the HexPacks, which were resource-intensive to produce.

That's why we've been putting out the message that we want these new boxed sets to sell quickly and strongly.

I figure that if there are ever going to be new lance packs, they will have new miniatures, using either the new box set sculpts, or they will include other 'Mechs with new sculpts. Also figure they won't be as cheap as the previous lance packs.

Far too early to say what any hypothetical product would or wouldn't include, let alone the price point.
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« Reply #836 on: 13 May 2018, 09:32:21 »
A concept that often gets lost in these discussions is sales velocity. It's not as simple as "they didn't sell." It's often that "they didn't sell fast enough." That ties up the capital used to produce that product for YEARS, when the turnaround needs to be months at most. And that goes double for a product like the HexPacks, which were resource-intensive to produce.

That's why we've been putting out the message that we want these new boxed sets to sell quickly and strongly.

*nods* And that's the actual lesson from the Lance Packs. They were produced while Herb was still Line Editor, and they're still in stock with CGL. That's a poor sales velocity, despite their value and quality.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #837 on: 13 May 2018, 09:32:41 »
Just speculating, based new miniatured for the new box sets, demand for higher quality minis, new box set being more expensive.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #838 on: 16 May 2018, 12:44:04 »
A bit of news to share: Adam Potts over at TechRaptor just published a recap of the upcoming tabletop releases and a Q&A with Brent and a few others.

Check it out here: https://techraptor.net/content/battletech-tabletop-interview

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #839 on: 16 May 2018, 13:29:06 »
Nice that they included visuals in the article.
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