’Mech of the Week: WHM-* Warhammer

[Coldstone]

Anyone tried the CS Whammy from the Tukkayid book? Have to say it is apealing, allthough it has an XL. But the JJs and Armor is nice. Allthough I propably would exchange the 3 SSRM 2 for the Classical SRM 6 and add an AMS like in the  7M.

[Middcore]

I've never been able to picture a jumping Warhammer. It's just so blocky and stompy.

Those ComStar Tukayyid variants are crazy on the Streak 2's, for anti-Elemental purposes I guess.

[Weirdo]

Streaks also make sense given that we know ComStar planned from the beginning to fight a long drawn-out war.

[Wrangler]

Funny this thread gets revived, Tex of the BlackpantsLegion puts out his Warhammer review video on youtube.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Anyone tried the CS Whammy from the Tukkayid book? Have to say it is apealing, allthough it has an XL. But the JJs and Armor is nice. Allthough I propably would exchange the 3 SSRM 2 for the Classical SRM 6 and add an AMS like in the  7M.

I've used it, yeah.  Good mech.

[Jellico]

I've never been able to picture a jumping Warhammer. It's just so blocky and stompy.

Those ComStar Tukayyid variants are crazy on the Streak 2's, for anti-Elemental purposes I guess.

It is meant to look like a 3050/55 Mech. That means Streak 2s.

[SteelRaven]

Funny this thread gets revived, Tex of the BlackpantsLegion puts out his Warhammer review video on youtube.

 At 2 hours, damn good video. The man has a way with words to make "Good Enough" a title to be proud of.

[Greatclub]

It is meant to look like a 3050/55 Mech. That means Streak 2s.

An authentic 3050 mech would have one streak 2. This is a poor imitation (thankfully)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

An authentic 3050 mech would have one streak 2. This is a poor imitation (thankfully)

One Streak SRM 2?  Like the JVN-10P, BJ-2, DV-7D, WHM-7K, WHM-7S...

[Empyrus]

It is meant to look like a 3050/55 Mech. That means Streak 2s.

Feels more like how those 'Mechs should've been. Too many old 'Mechs with Streaks sport excessive ammo to launcher ratio. One ton, one launcher for SSRM-2s is too much, let alone monstrosities that sport two tons and have one launcher.
1 ton of ammo and 3 launchers? The only old 'Mech that pops to my mind that does that is the Snake!

[BATTLEMASTER]

The Royal Battlemaster Hellslinger variant has three Streak SRM-2s to make up a 6-missile launcher.

[SteelRaven]

Someone at Fasa still had it in their head players would be using MGs and Infernos on scores of infantry that few actually deployed in game

The Royal Battlemaster Hellslinger variant has three Streak SRM-2s to make up a 6-missile launcher.

That was also a post Fasa design.

[Empyrus]

TBH, even post-FASA 3xSSRM-2 is rather rare, so the Hellslinger is somewhat noteworthy though it has no official record sheet and cannot be recreated exactly with info given (unless you use MWO stats as basis). Of course, ever since SSRM-6s are around, multiple small ones are a rarity.

[Middcore]

It is meant to look like a 3050/55 Mech. That means Streak 2s.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting it should have 4's or 6's instead.

[Jellico]

Certainly. Mechs in TRO3050 and 3055 were notorious for swapping out SRMs for one or more SSRM2s. In cases like the Marauder and Awesome they even gained random SSRM2s. It was probably a mix of new toy syndrome and an obsession with infernos.

[CrossfirePilot]

Tex (of the BPL) talks Battletech, just did a Warhammer release yesterday.  Pretty good.

[Marveryn]

well the first half is about the baron but i can listen to him all day

[SteelRaven]

well the first half is about the baron but i can listen to him all day

Well, little more than a quarter but it's a fun narrative regarding procurement and links to the last 3 Tex Talks nicely.   

[glitterboy2098]

Certainly. Mechs in TRO3050 and 3055 were notorious for swapping out SRMs for one or more SSRM2s. In cases like the Marauder and Awesome they even gained random SSRM2s. It was probably a mix of new toy syndrome and an obsession with infernos.

It does sorta fit the clan invasion stuff though. Streaks being ammo efficent, and many of those designs being energy heavy, fits the focus on protracted hit and run as the best way to fight the clans when you can't bring in overwhelming numbers to counter their firepower advantage

[SteelRaven]

Double Streak 2 might have thought of as good ant-elemental response at the time with Inferno Streak 2 being a option at the time. Now, multiple launchers still give you better odds of hitting something. Not by much but it's something.

[BrianDavion]

streak 2s where also the only streaks the IS had until ~3060

[SteelRaven]

I was talking multiple Streak 2 vs large standard launcher. We already established a few post ago Streak 2s are the only one available in the IS for 3050/55 designs. Also why Streak 2 appeared on so many Mechs that could arguably gone without them.

[Colt Ward]

Honestly, I am fine with the array of SSRM2s on the Warhammer . . . I mean you are talking a full 16 SRM salvos, which is a much better set up for ammo than a single launcher and a single ton.  But then again, I also favor 2 SSRM4s over a single SSRM6- and especially 3 SSRM4s over a pair of SSRM6s.  You end up not missing ammo (90 vs 100 missiles), more likely to generate hits, and negate some damage loss to AMS.

And since IIRC the CS series of modifications are gun port matches like the RecGuide designs (except maybe the Shad), then it also meets that criteria.

[Middcore]

And since IIRC the CS series of modifications are gun port matches like the RecGuide designs (except maybe the Shad), then it also meets that criteria.

Nah. The CS Phoenix Hawk isn't a match at all either, because the new art has nothing that can pass as a NARC launcher.

[Coldstone]

Nah. The CS Phoenix Hawk isn't a match at all either, because the new art has nothing that can pass as a NARC launcher.

Sure but like I said, I would use the gained 1.5 Tons for an AMS upgrade. Imo one of the better ideas of the 7M Whammy.

You would have to drop the 217th point of armor though too.

[BATTLEMASTER]

The WHM-7CS uses a weapons loadout that's similar to my custom builds, except I usually load a SRM-6 with a ton or two of ammo with CASE and a standard engine, no jump jets.  Sometimes I favor standard PPCs instead of ER PPCs.

[Wrangler]

What threw me off is talk about the 8R variant of the Warhammer. I largely never heard of this thing. Has anyone used it?

[Middcore]

What threw me off is talk about the 8R variant of the Warhammer. I largely never heard of this thing.

Well that's because it's the "WYSIWYG" variant from the ilClan RG's. It's essentially brand new.

[SteelRaven]

Yeah, it's so faithful to the original build that you have a '...wait a moment!' reaction.