Author Topic: Loki (series) (Read 16795 times)

gyedid · « **on:** 26 June 2021, 20:45:23 »

Is it just me, or is there no thread about this yet?

Not sure about the plot--seems a lot like Doctor Who in MCU clothing--but I love the retro-futuristic look of the TVA. These people should be doing adaptations of Asimov's Empire/Robot/Foundation works.

cheers,

Gabe

guardiandashi · « **Reply #1 on:** 26 June 2021, 21:24:39 »

kinda sorta

in a way it felt more like a cross between star trek section 31, and the temporal war stuff.

I know there was in a novel for star trek (imzadi? ) where after a few what the heck experiences they setup an outpost near the guardian of forever, and someone's job was to go every day and ask the guardian "is all as it was / supposed to be?" especially after Riker had to go "fix" the timeline because something happened to Troi

of course I also just watched the year of hell 2 parter of voyager, and I have to say anyone messing around with stuff that affects TIME gets really bad fast especially if there is no "undo" capability

as another example look at quantum leap, and back to the future where little changes can have significant effects on history.

in the Loki series the episodes I have seen... 1 and 2 it mostly seems like most changes don't have a huge effect, until you start getting into avengers and the set of infinity stones level of disruptions

Nightlord01 · « **Reply #2 on:** 27 June 2021, 06:23:25 »

Quote from: guardiandashi on 26 June 2021, 21:24:39

in the Loki series the episodes I have seen... 1 and 2 it mostly seems like most changes don't have a huge effect, until you start getting into avengers and the set of infinity stones level of disruptions

Not so much, any significant change will cause a shift in the timeline and generate a branch in spacetime spawing off another universe. Exactly what constitutes a significant change is never explicitly stated, only that taking an Infinity Stone definitely qualifies.

I'd note that the TVA's read on things doesn't jibe with the Ancient One, as she only said that timelines become vulnerable when Infinity Stones are removed. I have a few suspicions going back and forth in my head, and find myself very curious as to the TVA's back story.

On the whole I've enjoyed the show, although I find it very slow paced early in each episode. Tom Hiddleston stated that the pace should pick up for episodes 4 5 and 6, so the second half may be a frenzied rush.

Øystein · « **Reply #3 on:** 27 June 2021, 06:33:41 »

We've had almost 3 hours of Tom Hiddleston, that alone makes the show full score.
I like the variant, and also Wilson's character and the dynamic with Loki.

Sharpnel · « **Reply #4 on:** 27 June 2021, 06:35:12 »

There's only six eps for the (1st) season and it has moved very slowly in developing the story/plot.

Øystein · « **Reply #5 on:** 27 June 2021, 07:39:24 »

That depends, we don't know the full plot so saying it's moved slowly is guesswork :)

I've enjoyed the pacing.

Luciora · « **Reply #6 on:** 27 June 2021, 10:51:59 »

Enjoying every bit.

Skyth · « **Reply #7 on:** 27 June 2021, 12:01:51 »

Quote from: Øystein on 27 June 2021, 06:33:41

We've had almost 3 hours of Tom Hiddleston, that alone makes the show full score.
I like the variant, and also Wilson's character and the dynamic with Loki.

Agreed. Mobius and Loki are a great combo :)

Hellraiser · « **Reply #8 on:** 27 June 2021, 12:57:19 »

Really liking it so far, but, I do agree that all the shows have felt VERY slow so far BECAUSE of the short season/miniseries format.

Everything seems to be rushed & crammed into the last episode or 2 at most in the previous series & this one is shaping up the same way.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #9 on:** 27 June 2021, 13:41:23 »

I have been enjoying it quite a bit as well.

It took WandaVision 3 episodes before stuff started to make actual sense, hopefully it holds true here too.

Loki can continue the same story over multiple seasons. The other two shows so far were kinda forced to wrap up their story lines to allow for continuation of their stories via the movies. Unless they find a way to bring this Loki back to the prime timeline he can have infinite adventures through the TVA and continue the show. It’d be nice to see that, but having Tom/Loki not in the movies anymore would be sad.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #10 on:** 27 June 2021, 14:28:03 »

I assume at some point he has to be placed back into Thor's Custody to save the timeline & they have a limited amount of time based on last episode & that sensor for the "reset" to work.

But I agree, it would be nice to have some option to keep Tom H. in the MCU.

Weirdo · « **Reply #11 on:** 27 June 2021, 18:13:51 »

Quote from: Hellraiser on 27 June 2021, 14:28:03

I assume at some point he has to be placed back into Thor's Custody to save the timeline & they have a limited amount of time based on last episode & that sensor for the "reset" to work.

This cannot happen, because there's already a nonvariant Loki there. He REALLY can't go back to his past life, because it's currently occupied.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #12 on:** 28 June 2021, 00:35:02 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 27 June 2021, 18:13:51

This cannot happen, because there's already a nonvariant Loki there. He REALLY can't go back to his past life, because it's currently occupied.

That Loki died during the Thanos movies. It’s why Mobius showed him his death in episode one. He’s got nothing but the TVA now, and whatever Lady Loki, or whoever she is, has to offer. (I am holding out hope it’s Matt Damon who learned magic and is out getting his revenge on Loki).

Only way he gets returned to the Prime MCU timeline (the movies) is end of show fiat via the time keepers. I’d be glad to see him back in movies, but if that happened following what we know so far I’d be rather disappointed.

Akamia · « **Reply #13 on:** 28 June 2021, 03:43:47 »

I mean, the way I see it, this and WandaVision are going to be setup for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. So... Make of that what you will, but I feel like this isn't going to be the last we'll see of this Loki in the MCU, in miniseries or in the movies.

Nightlord01 · « **Reply #14 on:** 28 June 2021, 05:41:26 »

Quote from: Akamia on 28 June 2021, 03:43:47

I mean, the way I see it, this and Wandavision are going to be setup for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. So... Make of that what you will, but I feel like this isn't going to be the last we'll see of this Loki in the MCU, in miniseries or in the movies.

Yep, like I said above, I have my suspicions as to how all of this pans out, but that may step into spoilery territory. From Ep 3, I enjoyed seeing Loki and Sylvie interact, in some ways more than I enjoyed the Loki/Mobius interaction. I suspect Loki is actually manipulating Sylvie to get more information.

I generally wouldn't consider speculation on a plot to be spoilers, but people seem to be sensitive these days.

Quote from: Hellraiser on 27 June 2021, 12:57:19

Really liking it so far, but, I do agree that all the shows have felt VERY slow so far BECAUSE of the short season/miniseries format.

Everything seems to be rushed & crammed into the last episode or 2 at most in the previous series & this one is shaping up the same way.

This makes a lot more sense if you consider the shows to be more MCU movies in serialised format. The first two thirds are setting up, encounters, plot enrichment. The final act is where the big reveals are, lots of action and the big pay off in the end.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #15 on:** 28 June 2021, 14:55:28 »

Quote from: Akamia on 28 June 2021, 03:43:47

I mean, the way I see it, this and WandaVision are going to be setup for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. So... Make of that what you will, but I feel like this isn't going to be the last we'll see of this Loki in the MCU, in miniseries or in the movies.

On that note, and I can’t seem to find the old WandVision thread, Disney released a modified ending in the last episode of WandaVision the other day. Something or someone goes to look at Wanda when she is playing with the DarkHold in the mountain cottage, the article I read is suggesting it’s Dr Strange or an upcoming Villian

Daryk · « **Reply #16 on:** 28 June 2021, 15:42:15 »

That sounds more like "added to" than "modified"... ???

Scotty · « **Reply #17 on:** 28 June 2021, 15:49:49 »

Pretend I had a venn diagram ready to go where there's a big circle of "Modifications" and a smaller circle that is entirely inside it labelled "Additions".

Luciora · « **Reply #18 on:** 28 June 2021, 18:10:38 »

How meta. Sylvie bombs the timeline and WandaVision gets a new ending. :)

Nightlord01 · « **Reply #19 on:** 30 June 2021, 07:40:14 »

Well, that was unexpected!

Sharpnel · « **Reply #20 on:** 30 June 2021, 07:42:24 »

Finally, we have a plot and it's moving along now.

Ruger · « **Reply #21 on:** 30 June 2021, 09:33:28 »

Y’all did catch the mod-credits scene, right?

Ruger

Sharpnel · « **Reply #22 on:** 30 June 2021, 09:45:29 »

Quote from: Ruger on 30 June 2021, 09:33:28

Y’all did catch the mod-credits scene, right?

Ruger

I always check for a scene during creds. So yeah I caught it. Interesting is one word to describe it.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #23 on:** 01 July 2021, 01:40:35 »

I liked today’s episode. I didn’t realize how short of a run this season was going to be. Much like FatWS they’ll have a lot of ground to cover in the last two episodes if they want to wrap it all up. Which I’m really hoping they don’t, but they just might need to with how the next Dr Strange might very well be a follow up to it story wise.

ActionButler · « **Reply #24 on:** 02 July 2021, 19:57:15 »

Just caught the latest episode.

Fully on-board with the Kang theories now that we’ve seen behind the curtain and know what the glowing clubs actually do.

gyedid · « **Reply #25 on:** 04 July 2021, 13:40:30 »

Is it just me, or do Sylvie's enchantment powers considerably resemble those of Wanda?

cheers,

Gabe

Akamia · « **Reply #26 on:** 04 July 2021, 14:22:50 »

No, I don't think it's just you. That sounds very deliberate.

Ruger · « **Reply #27 on:** 04 July 2021, 16:19:56 »

Quote from: gyedid on 04 July 2021, 13:40:30

Is it just me, or do Sylvie's enchantment powers considerably resemble those of Wanda?

cheers,

Gabe

Actually, probably more like the Enchantress’s. Many theories out there that they are combining Lady Loki and the Enchantress in her.

Ruger

Akamia · « **Reply #28 on:** 04 July 2021, 16:38:37 »

Oh, I don’t think there’s any question there; Sylvie is almost certainly a composite character in that regard. I think the Enchantress’s name is also Sylvie.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #29 on:** 04 July 2021, 16:58:54 »

Quote from: Akamia on 04 July 2021, 16:38:37

Oh, I don’t think there’s any question there; Sylvie is almost certainly a composite character in that regard. I think the Enchantress’s name is also Sylvie.

I did a comic wiki dive the other day. The first enchantress was an actual Asguardian, the second (who was named Sylvie) was a regular person from the middle of nowhere who got her powers as a prank from Loki.

So it very much seems a composite of both Enchantresses and Lady Loki.

I was talking with a friend the other day and she suggested this is setting up the Eternals, more than Dr. Stranges next outing.