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Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« on: 03 June 2018, 13:15:22 »
Good evening; I'm looking for some hex bases that will fit the Ral Partha/IWM metal mechs I have, as well as the 30mm Alpha Strike plastic mechs, so they all look uniform.

Any ideas?

Also, what's the best way to decorate bases?

Thanky!

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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #1 on: 03 June 2018, 16:54:41 »
This question is asked so often here they should really sticky a thread on it ;)

Best plastic base for $$$ is the following:

http://www.proxiemodels.com/store2/index.php?route=product/product&path=20_59&product_id=59

I buy loads of them as at $4.50 for 32 bases, buying 5 packs (for $22.50) you would get 160 bases. A pretty good deal.
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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #2 on: 03 June 2018, 20:57:42 »
I've used the proxie models bases for years by the hundreds and I like them a lot.

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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #3 on: 04 June 2018, 04:28:47 »
If you're outside the US, Ral Partha Europe has far cheaper shipping than US-based companies. They produce BT-sized plastic hex bases:
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/battletech-c-1/miniatures-c-1_3/accessories-c-1_3_68/99125-plastic-hex-bases-10-p-1858.html

Also, what's the best way to decorate bases?

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Welcome to the wonderful world of flocking!

Basics first - we'll come to flock selection later. The simplest method is:

1) Once you've fitted your 'Mech onto the base, with a good glue, then fill the remaining gaps around the edges. I recommend interior crack filler, available from hardware stores; other people use clay, putty, heck you could use playdoh.

2) When the filler's dried, paint it. The colour should loosley match your planned flock, so if you get a thin patch, it's not obvious.


Then, white glue's your friend! Yes, the stuff you used at school, or your kids use. Use an old, cheap brush, and I find a small pot to flock in helpful.

For a simple two-colour flock, 'paint' glue over half the base. Be creative! If there's a 'Mech in the base, don't put glue on the feet.


Then put your hex base in the pot, and sprinkle the flocking over.


Take it out, blow on it to remove any loose flock, and rub your thumb around the edges to clean off any spill. \


Wait until the next day, then do the same for the other flock:


And you're off!

Now as to flock, there's two main choices, and no reason to be forced to only one: bought flock, or found flock.

Bought flock: hobby shops, especially those supporting railway modellers, have tons of specialised flocks available. Short grass, autumn grass, snowfields, etc etc. Games Workshop makes a good range of great flock too. The grass above is GW's "dry grass" from memory.

Found flock: got a building site nearby? Raid piles of clean sand & dirt with a small jar. Sift it to remove bits & insects, let it dry out, break up any clumps, and voila! Beach sand is free, and the clay "dust" from tennis courts is the best Martian surface I've ever found. A small jar or tin - Eclipse mint tins are perfect for surreptitious sampling - will last years.

Even better, got a building supplies place nearby? Go and ask them for some "sample bags" of various sands "for your garden project". You'll end up with several different colours & grades of flock that will last you several decades.  The sand on those bases is from a building supplies company.

Heck, I've even used the coffee grounds out of nesspresso capsules:


Pair a simple flock with some bought shrubbery from the hobby store!


Now all these are simple tricks; I'm sure other folks will chip in with their suggestions & advice! And welcome aboard.

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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #4 on: 04 June 2018, 06:42:05 »
Thanks for the reply (and the awesome flocking advive), but the bases described are 30mm on the bottom and around 25mm inside the lip, which means that the Alpha Strike plastic miniatures, which are 30mm across the base, would sit on top of the lip, unless I got a craft knife and started trimming down either the Alpha Strike base or notching the lip on the hex base. I also recently eBayed a bunch of Third Edition plastic miniatures, and don't know the size of those bases yet. Anyone know of any 35mm bases with a 30mm recessed lip area? I know the map hexes are nearer 40mm, so they'll easily fit on the map.

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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #6 on: 04 June 2018, 11:14:03 »
The Alpha Strike mechs are already based. If you want them to look uniform with others, you'll need to cut away the existing base.

Third Edition mechs are also already based, their base is full size. No work needed there at all.

Heck, I've even used the coffee grounds out of nesspresso capsules...

I find artificial sweetener to make a good snow. Drip a small layer of superglue on top afterwards if instead you want hard ice.
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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #7 on: 04 June 2018, 14:28:42 »
I almost exclusively use IWM's 32mm bases, which have a nice flat surface that holds the feet of all but the largest miniatures, all while still fitting without trouble in a hex on a map. They also are heavy enough to not tip over easily for topheavy designs like the Deimos, for example.

For snow, I tend to use GW or Gale Force Nine snow- I experimented once with Weirdo's idea of using sweetener, but found it was a little sticky- it looked good, but the GF9 stuff is the same consistency without the stickyness. I like to paint the base white, lay down a layer of Elmer's glue (fairly thick), put the mini in a small plastic bin with the snow in there too, then push the snow up onto the glue with a small tool, and leave it for at least 24 hours. There's usually a few air bubbles that crop up, which I usually fill with small bits of green sponge as bushes.
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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #8 on: 04 June 2018, 15:31:56 »
Something else you might want is some spackling compound, to fill in the gaps when you glue a metal mini to an aftermarket hex base. I've got an 8 oz. tub of DAP DryDex that's lasted me for years.
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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #9 on: 04 June 2018, 16:50:24 »
It seems funny that I need to visit B&Q (or a suitable home improvement shop) before I even pick up a 2-inch miniature...

I was just looking through the house for basic materials, and I have enough children's play sand to make a nice beech (it's wicked fine and pure), and looking in the kitchen, the dried thyme in the jar would make some interesting dune grass, but I live nowhere near a modelling shop, any other suggestions for home-improvised bases? I can't imagine how to make a rocky bases, although digging in the garden ought to get me some pebbles as 'boulders', but what about grasslands? Trimming down twigs to be branches?

I realise that, to veteran modellers, these probably seem like real noob questions but, as I'm incredibly new at this, I'm asking them!

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« Reply #10 on: 04 June 2018, 17:11:23 »
Sand from the yard, good sure...filled with microbes and fecal matter and other disease carrying organisms...sure. Not to say don't use them, but wash them.

For rocks and stuff, the pebbles from one's yard are often to smooth for a realistic look. Model Railway supplies have all sorts of small rocks and stuff (Ballast) that work and come in various levels of granularity.

But yes, a Home Hardware or LOWES or Home Depot or whatever local store is your best friend. More choices in glues and other adhesives. Wire for Pinning and other things. Spackle (can be bought in small tubs), epoxy, and resisns for water effects, and best of all, Wood Stains for sealing your minis.

Yes, I know you are asking about Hex bases, but why buy this ($30 US):

Army Painter Quickshade



When you can buy the exact same product from any home improvement store for a fraction of the cost like (Around $8 for the same size as above):

MinWax Wood Stain



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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #11 on: 04 June 2018, 19:32:47 »
+1 for minwax. you can use a variety of shades depending on your paint scheme. I really like ebony, jacobean, and red mahogany as well as dark walnut depending on the basecoat color

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« Reply #12 on: 04 June 2018, 19:42:11 »
I've never used Army Painter or floor wax, are they functional substitutes for GW washes like Nuln Oil or Seraphim Sepia?
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« Reply #13 on: 04 June 2018, 19:59:57 »
I've never used Army Painter or floor wax, are they functional substitutes for GW washes like Nuln Oil or Seraphim Sepia?

Yes, but they have the added bonus of applying a clear protective layer at the same time as the wash. A great 'final step'.

as an example, this mech had one of them applied (cannot remember if it was the Army Painter or the MinWax, I have both so I know they are identical products ;), and then a DULL COAT sprayed overtop to take the 'shine' of the stain away.



I also don't 'dip' the mini as most, but actually 'paint' the stain on. Better control.
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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #14 on: 04 June 2018, 23:07:50 »
The Army Painter website has a few pdfs on their products and uses to show them off and give ideas. If for nothing else the pictures will give you an idea of the uses and final product.

Also, https://litko.net/ has a good selection of hex bases in various size between wood and magnetic (metal) as well as other items useful for BattleTech, paints, flock, tools, etc.. Well worth a look

Another thing you can use for ideas on basing: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw72skaSLl7jjgsbZVaZ6jw The channel for CSO has several videos on basing using cheap items from either Dollar Tree or General Dollar... can't remember which.

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« Reply #15 on: 05 June 2018, 04:23:32 »
Got to support NeonKnight - I swear by teak stain, a little lighter than the walnut.

And simple interior polyurethane matt spray provides the protective coat, which also makes sure the flock doesn't fall ff, or get knocked off too easily.

In short, B&Q, or Home Hardware, will have 80% of what you want, for less than half the price of dedicated model/hobby shops.

I will say Citadel inks are great, Citadel paints good, but there are more options with paint.
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Re: Hex Bases that fit Plastic and Metal Mechs
« Reply #16 on: 05 June 2018, 14:17:45 »
I have found the QuickShade and Minwax both work wonderfully for getting your miniatures done fast, but make sure you let them sit for enough time before you hit them with any matte varnish! (And you will absolutely want to hit them with a matte varnish.) Spray the miniatures too quickly and they get frosted/fuzzy when the varnish interacts with the dip. 48 hours to set, just to be on the safe side!

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« Reply #17 on: 05 June 2018, 16:07:00 »
I have found the QuickShade and Minwax both work wonderfully for getting your miniatures done fast, but make sure you let them sit for enough time before you hit them with any matte varnish! (And you will absolutely want to hit them with a matte varnish.) Spray the miniatures too quickly and they get frosted/fuzzy when the varnish interacts with the dip. 48 hours to set, just to be on the safe side!

agreed. after two days I'll tap the mini with my finger and if it's still sticky at all I'll let it be for at least another 12 hours.

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« Reply #18 on: 05 June 2018, 16:10:49 »
Is it good stuff if you only want to hit part of the mini, potentially a very small part?
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« Reply #19 on: 05 June 2018, 16:49:19 »
Is it good stuff if you only want to hit part of the mini, potentially a very small part?

Not really. If you want to shade a small part, Washes are still your friend.

The 'QuickShades' are for coating an entire mini and are a Last Step process.

Basically, one paints their mini, then applies the quickshade, and later the dullcoat and you are finished.

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