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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #570 on: 07 June 2024, 07:50:56 »
The Maxim and the Maxim (I) are two different units. Look at their Alpha Strike cards. :)
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #571 on: 07 June 2024, 11:39:34 »
Wait what?

The Warhammer & the Warhammer-IIC are 2 different units.

The Maxim-3025 & Maxim-I is just 2 different "Variants" isn't it?

Hmm, I just noticed that the Partisan Heavy Tank & Partisan Air Defense Tank, which is how they were named in 3026 & 3058 also show up as "different vehicles".
Which I would never call them a fully different class of vehicle.  One is just the Upgrade of the other.

This is one of those weird consistency issues. 
The Centurion gains 5 tons in some variants & still isn't a separate class, same w/ the Jager.
But the Enforcer & Jager that get a III on them are even though they are the same tonnage as the original.

Atlas-II is different chassis but its just a Royal-Atlas w/ Ferro but ReSeen are the same class as original.

I don't consider the Avenger from DS&JS to be a totally different "class" of ship from the Avenger(3049) just an upgrade, like going from Atlas-7D to 7S.

Very odd.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #572 on: 07 June 2024, 12:28:35 »
If you print out their record sheets, they will not be identical. That is what I mean by being different units.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #573 on: 07 June 2024, 13:39:07 »
This is not a space for discussion

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #574 on: 12 June 2024, 18:30:32 »
Should the Marian Hegemony and the Taurian Concordat have access to the Orion ON1-VA? They both have access to the ON1-V and the ON1-VA seems like a really common refit (IS general and Mercenary access) to a mech that both factions have been using for 100+ years at the time of early Succession Wars.

Just wanted to follow up on this, as it seemed to have gotten missed and its been a few weeks. Thanks for taking a look!

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #575 on: 16 June 2024, 04:20:20 »
Chameleon 8V is listed as being introduced in the year 3086 but its era is listed as Clan Invasion. Should be early Republic
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #576 on: 18 June 2024, 09:58:52 »
Should the Goblin (MG) be available to the Star League (1st)? All of the other 3039 Goblins are, I can't find any reason this one would be an exception.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #577 on: 26 June 2024, 04:21:10 »
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #578 on: 26 June 2024, 07:16:08 »

The LRM and SRM variants of the 'Goblin Medium Tank' are available to IS General, Periphery General and Mercenary in the Star League era. Should the base Goblin also have IS and Periphery availability in the SL period?

Goblin Medium Tank
Goblin Medium Tank (LRM)
Goblin Medium Tank (SRM)

Just a little bump in case this had fallen through the cracks.

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« Reply #579 on: 30 June 2024, 03:53:38 »
The Ontos Heavy Tank (LRM) has all its weapons mounted in its turret, but no turret-mounted damage output in its specials. MUL lists it with TUR(LRM2/3/3,IF3). It should probably have TUR(2/4/4, LRM2/3/3, IF3) instead.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #580 on: 07 July 2024, 23:36:22 »
Few questions:

1. Kite Reconnaissance Vehicle

In TRO 3150 (p.46) there is First Taurian Lancers recon company in "notable units" section, all vehicles are Kites (both variants)

Shouldn't Taurian Concordat MUL page get them?


2. Taurian BA organisation

3067, HB:MPS
"Battle armor squads of four soldiers"

but

3071, story "Into the Fire" by Jason Schmetzer, Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) maniple vs FedSuns Nightstar, it is five:
 1. Subaltern Gloria Riordan, our PoV in this story
 2. BA trooper Hutchins, case of death - AC fire from Jagermech
 3. BA trooper Falcone, case of death - gauss slug from Nightstar
 4. BA trooper Juresh, alive, traumatic arm amputation by Nightstar
 5. BA trooper Madison, alive

Should Taurian MUL get Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) (Sqd5) in 3071+ ?
Should all Taurian BA in MUL get (Sqd5) instead of (Sqd4) after 3071 ?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #581 on: 11 July 2024, 13:11:37 »
Hi all, we will be holding off on any changes until after the new site is operational (no, there is no current ETA). Please continue with reporting issues - we will circle back on unanswered items at that point.

Few questions:

1. Kite Reconnaissance Vehicle

In TRO 3150 (p.46) there is First Taurian Lancers recon company in "notable units" section, all vehicles are Kites (both variants)

Shouldn't Taurian Concordat MUL page get them?

The standard is generally "multiple examples in multiple units." There are many examples in canon text that notes similar distributions and go unlisted. Not being on the list doesn't necessarily mean that faction has zero of that unit, just not enough to be typically found interspersed among that faction's forces.

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2. Taurian BA organisation

3067, HB:MPS
"Battle armor squads of four soldiers"

but

3071, story "Into the Fire" by Jason Schmetzer, Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) maniple vs FedSuns Nightstar, it is five:
 1. Subaltern Gloria Riordan, our PoV in this story
 2. BA trooper Hutchins, case of death - AC fire from Jagermech
 3. BA trooper Falcone, case of death - gauss slug from Nightstar
 4. BA trooper Juresh, alive, traumatic arm amputation by Nightstar
 5. BA trooper Madison, alive

Should Taurian MUL get Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) (Sqd5) in 3071+ ?
Should all Taurian BA in MUL get (Sqd5) instead of (Sqd4) after 3071 ?


Nope. HB:MPS is the standard.

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