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« Reply #510 on: 09 March 2020, 02:14:23 »
Still waiting for RS3150NTNU and RSPrototypes Unabridged...

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« Reply #511 on: 09 March 2020, 05:51:55 »
Still waiting for RS3150NTNU and RSPrototypes Unabridged...
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« Reply #512 on: 09 March 2020, 06:49:32 »
Still waiting for RS3150NTNU and RSPrototypes Unabridged...

And 3039 Unabridged, and 3067 Unabridged, and 3057 Unabridged, and sheets for various back-of-book units...
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« Reply #513 on: 09 March 2020, 06:58:57 »
And 3039 Unabridged, and 3067 Unabridged, and 3057 Unabridged, and sheets for various back-of-book units...
3039 and 3067?  I own both of those, uanabridged.  Were they incomplete somehow?
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« Reply #514 on: 09 March 2020, 07:49:58 »
Monitors. Sea Skimmers. Neptunes.

Zechetinus. Inazumas. Avalon's. Leviathans...

They may have almost everything, but until they have everything, they're not unabridged.
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« Reply #515 on: 09 March 2020, 08:23:37 »
i'm guessing you'll have to live with 3039 and 3067 with an asterisk after Unabridged as i don't see a reissuing to add in h20 naval units.

the release of 3057u might trigger some kind of vicious cold front in hell 

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« Reply #516 on: 09 March 2020, 08:30:32 »
We got Marauders back, anything can happen. I may not have reasonable expectations, but I'll always have hope.
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« Reply #517 on: 09 March 2020, 09:22:51 »
It’s not a “never” thing, it’s a low, low, super low priority, thing.
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« Reply #518 on: 09 March 2020, 09:31:35 »
How far is the production of PoD sourcebooks, more specifically the Jihad one? What priority this has?
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« Reply #519 on: 09 March 2020, 09:59:36 »
It’s not a “never” thing, it’s a low, low, super low priority, thing.

We waited how long for Marauders? Until you say Never, I can wait for record sheets.
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« Reply #520 on: 09 March 2020, 10:27:06 »
It’s not a “never” thing, it’s a low, low, super low priority, thing.


So your saying there is a chance??
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« Reply #521 on: 09 March 2020, 16:25:34 »
We waited how long for Marauders? Until you say Never, I can wait for record sheets.
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« Reply #522 on: 09 March 2020, 16:57:50 »
It might be dead. If it isn't, and I can find it...RS Vehicle Annex Actually Unabridged.
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« Reply #523 on: 09 March 2020, 23:56:39 »
I'm pretty sure that PoD depends on how popular something is or might be. As for short print runs, I'm guessing that CGL don't want to lose money by making big orders that might not sell and would rather print a limited number that they know would sell, if they could even afford large volume runs. Going forward it might be that all books have PoD on release but no proper print run

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« Reply #524 on: 10 March 2020, 00:51:52 »
We’re talking about digital record sheets

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« Reply #525 on: 10 March 2020, 02:03:09 »
We're talking about record sheets that should exists but don't, no matter whether print or digital.

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« Reply #526 on: 10 March 2020, 06:38:21 »
I wish there was a way for the Record sheets to get attached to the MUL so we can have that on top of the Alpha Strike forms.
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« Reply #527 on: 10 March 2020, 08:42:05 »
I wish there was a way for the Record sheets to get attached to the MUL so we can have that on top of the Alpha Strike forms.
I wish there was a way to update the stat block in TROs so that it was unambiguous.  Anyone could fill out a Record Sheet using the official book and they would all be the same as the official one.

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« Reply #528 on: 10 March 2020, 09:23:00 »
I wish there was a way to update the stat block in TROs so that it was unambiguous.  Anyone could fill out a Record Sheet using the official book and they would all be the same as the official one.

Took me a second . . .  but do you mean something like-

Medium Laser         LT/8

Simply putting the slot rank next to the location would allow you to make your own sheet by hand with just the TRO entry . . .
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« Reply #529 on: 10 March 2020, 09:40:36 »
I wish there was a way that record sheets would pay for Ray's mortgage.
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« Reply #530 on: 10 March 2020, 10:30:50 »
I wish there was a way that record sheets would pay for Ray's mortgage.

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« Reply #531 on: 10 March 2020, 10:35:47 »
While he said updating, it maybe a better way going forward when a mech gets a entry in the back of a book.  Just put a notation in which 1-12 or 1-6 location the first crit takes up.  For instance a IS XL does not get a notation since its location is always fixed.  But a Warhammer's ERPPC would get listed like . . . 'LA/4' (for occupying 4, 5, 6) or 'LA/7' (for 7, 8, 9) if a IS DHS occupies Crit 4-6 rather than the current entry where it just says 'LA.'

IMO its a good way going forward in the TRO-like entries in SB that will not require TPTB to spend that time (and cost) creating the RS by hand.
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« Reply #532 on: 10 March 2020, 10:39:31 »
a van-sized electromagnet for errata if i've ever seen one.

maybe i'm missing something but if you know all the components that go in a certain location, does it matter how they're stacked?

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« Reply #533 on: 10 March 2020, 10:45:02 »
To some people it does, I have seen folks quibble about equipment's location being described (say in the LT) but not laid out in a RS being a un-playable design.  Since its not specified by a RS where every single piece of equipment is placed.

Just look at the recent Warhawk art vs RS discussion.
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« Reply #534 on: 10 March 2020, 11:17:58 »
a van-sized electromagnet for errata if i've ever seen one.

maybe i'm missing something but if you know all the components that go in a certain location, does it matter how they're stacked?
But we don't even know what all the components in a certain location are.  Heat Sink locations aren't specified, nor are where alternate construction materials situated.
Whether or not lower arm and hand actuators exist is also something that the stat block doesn't specify.
It's something that I think could be included in future Readouts, but isn't included currently for some reason.

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« Reply #535 on: 10 March 2020, 12:06:22 »
i'm not seeing adding another layer that will likely create a host of mistakes to be errata'd as particularly helpful. it would NOT be a clean or easy process.

ultimately it's a time vs return on investment issue. first making the internal sheets, then converting them into a notation in a TRO is going to take more time than just releasing the sheets now that they largely use MML (vs back in the 3039 days a decade ago when the sheets were manually edited graphics). If it were worth their time to put in the effort to release those sheets, they would be a higher priority.

i guess i find it absurd that people are up tight about approximated units that are simulated by pushing metal around on a table. if it's not an official event or money isn't on the line, i dunno, live on the wild side.

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« Reply #536 on: 10 March 2020, 12:06:54 »
Alternate materials - Ferro-fibrous armor slots and endo-steel structure - do not occupy critical slots so much as reduce the number of slots available in a given section. They should have no impact on gameplay whatsoever.

Heat sink placement, on the other hand, does. In my group back in the 90s, it was often a hotly contested topic wether they should be placed in the legs by default (to benefit from water cooling) or be used to pad out ammo crits in torso locations.
In this respect, official record sheets went a long way to stop players from bickering.

On the other hand, component placement on official record sheets still makes me scratch my head sometimes. Granted, art vs. stats mismatch are more a TRO problem. But in some refit cases the record sheet just doesn't match the fluff. Take the ZEU-6T: Fluff says refits are arms with a PPC and heat sink instead of the AC/5 that were shipped out to LCAF units, but in an apparent oversight the official record sheet doesn't place the heat sink in the arm (I forget where).
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« Reply #537 on: 10 March 2020, 12:22:45 »
i guess i find it absurd that people are up tight about approximated units that are simulated by pushing metal around on a table. if it's not an official event or money isn't on the line, i dunno, live on the wild side.

Because some tables require a official RS to play a unit, so it has to be in a DTF of PDF book.  For example, I could not at that table bring Archer Christifori's Penetrator- why?  It has no official sheet even as described as having Clan ERLLs rather than the IS versions.  Or almost any of the 3145/50 variants described but never given a official sheet.  This rule is strictly enforced in a lot of places b/c of custom problems- look at Weirdo's well known personal strict stance as an example.

And Frabby is right- Heat Sinks are the only crits that are not in a TRO-style entry laid out which mech location its in.  Everything else lists LA, LT, CT, etc be it weapon, ammo, equipment (ECM, BAP, etc), or CASE.  FF, ES and their ilk do not require it since they are merely 'roll again' results if you crit them.
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« Reply #538 on: 10 March 2020, 12:44:23 »
Looking at the Christifori example, there are more changes than just noting the extra range and damage for the lasers. What does his mech do with the tonnage freed by that swap? More heat sinks? More armor? More AMS ammo? Storage for two metric tons of Thorin-brewed fine aged Fanta? We just don't know, and since any of those can change how the mech fights, we need an official sheet to settle questions like that.

And for mechs with unknown heat sinks, yes placement is important. A Marauder operates very differently if it has heat sinks in the legs to take advantage of water, or in the torso providing some crit padding to the ammo bin.

Things like that are why official sheets make a difference.
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« Reply #539 on: 10 March 2020, 12:55:36 »
Because some tables require a official RS to play a unit, so it has to be in a DTF of PDF book.  For example, I could not at that table bring Archer Christifori's Penetrator- why?  It has no official sheet even as described as having Clan ERLLs rather than the IS versions.  Or almost any of the 3145/50 variants described but never given a official sheet.  This rule is strictly enforced in a lot of places b/c of custom problems- look at Weirdo's well known personal strict stance as an example.

And Frabby is right- Heat Sinks are the only crits that are not in a TRO-style entry laid out which mech location its in.  Everything else lists LA, LT, CT, etc be it weapon, ammo, equipment (ECM, BAP, etc), or CASE.  FF, ES and their ilk do not require it since they are merely 'roll again' results if you crit them.

Looking at the Christifori example, there are more changes than just noting the extra range and damage for the lasers. What does his mech do with the tonnage freed by that swap? More heat sinks? More armor? More AMS ammo? Storage for two metric tons of Thorin-brewed fine aged Fanta? We just don't know, and since any of those can change how the mech fights, we need an official sheet to settle questions like that.

And for mechs with unknown heat sinks, yes placement is important. A Marauder operates very differently if it has heat sinks in the legs to take advantage of water, or in the torso providing some crit padding to the ammo bin.

Things like that are why official sheets make a difference.

since the last part of my post was an opinion, i reserve the right to not really care about any of this, especially since we're talking about the vast minority of units. if "some tables" care so much about heat sink placement, they can go without until the official sheet is released.

none of this addresses the actual point that i was making - what is being suggested as a replacement for sheets is more work and more prone to errors than actually releasing the sheets. the choice is obviously being made to place priorities elsewhere.

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