Clan Jade Falcon III: Admittedly, We May Have Falconed a Little Too Hard

[Krieghund]

From the last Newsday episode ...

What mech is this?

[Generic Clanner 24601]

I admit, I don't paint the feathers and go with the "Just trust me, bro. They are the First Falcon Sentinels."

[Death_from_above]

What mech is this?

Jade Hawk

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jade_Hawk

[Krieghund]

I noticed this with the Shrike when we first got the stats for it. These new totem mechs are really light on the weapons. I get a real all show, no go vibe. No wonder we came in second on Terra, lol.

[Weirdo]

With a few exceptions, the Falcons have preferred mechs with more move than gun since they first appeared in the IS.

The only exceptions I can think of are the Turkina, Night Gyr, and Cougar, and to a lesser extent the Loki.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

The Jade Phoenix isn't bad in that regard.  Other than the A.

[Bren]

Jade Hawk has a lot of hurt ... once it gets in there ...

[BrianDavion]

The Jade Phoenix isn't bad in that regard.  Other than the A.

Jade Pheonix Prime is, IMHO the ultimate evolution of the jade falcon combat philophesy

[MarauderCH IIC]

I noticed this with the Shrike when we first got the stats for it. These new totem mechs are really light on the weapons. I get a real all show, no go vibe. No wonder we came in second on Terra, lol.

Several mechs made their first appearance in MW DA without proper battletech stats and then had to get stats that matched their appearance. It didn't make the most efficient mechs.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Especially since DA minis tended to have mostly small amounts of gun barrels, so they couldn't do stuff like medium laser spam.

[Church14]

Jade Pheonix Prime is, IMHO the ultimate evolution of the jade falcon combat philophesy

Jade phoenix chassis is. But I’d argue the A is the peak of Falcon habits.
Summoner C started it
Grand Summoner C refined it
Jade Phoenix A continues refining it.

This nice through line of design gun philosophy

[BaldDen]

Hi
These are very old cases, of course.
But how did the 9th Talon of Jade Falcon's Gamma deserve its own color scheme?

No book is stories this.

[BrianDavion]

Jade phoenix chassis is. But I’d argue the A is the peak of Falcon habits.
Summoner C started it
Grand Summoner C refined it
Jade Phoenix A continues refining it.

This nice through line of design gun philosophy

Honestly, most of the jade Pheonix configs bring to ready mind a summoner config I think, you can really see that the mech is clearly a "assault class summoner"

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Do they really?  I never got that impression.  Among other things, the Jade Phoenix has only one configuration that packs missiles.

[Scotty]

The Jade Phoenix Prime is significantly closer to an Executioner that figured out how to be actually good than it is to any Summoner.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I'd say that's a much more accurate assessment of its capabilities.

[BrianDavion]

Do they really?  I never got that impression.  Among other things, the Jade Phoenix has only one configuration that packs missiles.

a critting balastic gun with a PPC hole opener, obviously it's not the exact same weapons set up, but you can very much see the influence

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Eh, got to squint pretty hard for that.

[JAMES_PRYDE]

I admit, I don't paint the feathers and go with the "Just trust me, bro. They are the First Falcon Sentinels."

Without Question 

[Scotty]

Honestly after refreshing myself on the other Jade Phoenix configs I'm settling even more firmly on the Executioner comparison, and none of them particularly resemble any Summoner configs popular enough for me to know offhand.  The Prime, B, D, and E all have fairly deep similarity to the Executioner Prime

Assault
Faster/more maneuverable than average
2x big energy 1x big ballistic (the B flips this but is still close)

The biggest difference is that on the JP the extra maneuverability is integral and efficient and more than the sum of its parts, where the Executioner ends up so expensive and less than the sum of its parts.

And then you have the A, one of the most disgusting dueling mechs ever devised, and the C, which is just raw efficient mid and close range damage the likes of which cannot be escaped.

Hard to articulate how good the JP is.

[Church14]

Chassis-wise, I don't really see JP as Mega-Summoner or an executioner.  JP Prime kind of feels like the child of an Executioner Prime and T, but I gotta squint.

The comparison to the summoner for me is purely the Summoner C => Grand Summoner C => JP A throughline. My comment was more that Falcons seem to have this group that cannot help but make anything with the podspace a brawler with uAC20 in one arm and big energy backup guns in the other. Probably not unique to them, but I keeps showing up on their heavy/assault omnis that I can actually remember

Turkina C (lbX20, but otherwise fits)
Jade Phoenix A
Grand Summoner C
Summoner C
Night Gyr A

On an aside, speaking of doctrine consistency, I do like that the Hierofalcon Prime is effectively the same idea as the JP Prime. Ion Sparrow is a little too limited on pod space to mimic it, but 2 AP gauss and 2 iHMLs does feel similar ideas

[Deckard_2049]

I finally got the alpha strike starter and was looking at the Jade Falcon artwork on the cards. It threw me off to see the delta galaxy colors with the star league logo in place of the white falcon/blue planet. At least....i'm assuming the Golden Talons are meant to be delta galaxy or some kind of elite unit under Stephanie's command. I can't seem to find much info on the Golden Talons, but now i'm leaning towards painting more of my clan mechs in these colors.

[Weirdo]

We're still unsure. The artwork on the cover, for example, shows Lambda Galaxy colors and insignia.

Probably won't know for sure until we get IKEO.

[MarauderD]

I finally got the alpha strike starter and was looking at the Jade Falcon artwork on the cards. It threw me off to see the delta galaxy colors with the star league logo in place of the white falcon/blue planet. At least....i'm assuming the Golden Talons are meant to be delta galaxy or some kind of elite unit under Stephanie's command. I can't seem to find much info on the Golden Talons, but now i'm leaning towards painting more of my clan mechs in these colors.

I painted my Alpha Strike Box Set clan mechs in Golden Talon colors as well, didn't come out great, but pleased I finally have some Falcons to play with.  Looking forward to adding the AML mech set that comes out in a couple years so I have some of the newer, more maneuverable Falcon mechs to complement it. 

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

So I'm contemplating running a game based on Hell's Horses' Operation STAMPEDE attack on Sudeten.  It's going to be an urban fight and I'm considering what Falcon forces to use: vehicles and BA are both going to be on the table, with the Falcons fielding hidden units.

[Jal Phoenix]

Jiyi's Falcons have an incredible surplus of equipment due to Sudeten's factories.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sudeten#Companies_and_Industries

Anything from Trellshire or Olivetti will be your most lore-accurate choices.

[Scotty]

I'm planning a Cluster that's built entirely out of what's in active production on Sudeten and the most difficult part was trimming it did to "just" a Cluster.

[CJC070]

I'm planning a Cluster that's built entirely out of what's in active production on Sudeten and the most difficult part was trimming it did to "just" a Cluster.

I’m curious what’s the challenge Jiyi only had a Cluster of mechs and tanks he also had a second Cluster but that was composed largely of infantry.

[tassa_kay]

I’m curious what’s the challenge Jiyi only had a Cluster of mechs and tanks he also had a second Cluster but that was composed largely of infantry.

Plot armor.

[Scotty]

Jiyi had a Clusters' worth of trained pilots and way more than that in equipment that didn't have a butt to put in the seat.  There's so much stuff built on Sudeten that you can fill out the entire mech compliment of the Cluster before you've used every mech twice. The challenge was figuring out what to cut to make Stars that both look good and work well together.