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1000heathens

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Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« on: 03 October 2013, 00:17:40 »
Pretty much what it says on the tin, with a few additives. I'd like to design a Close Quarters Combat / Cavalry-oriented mech, using an Unseen Crusader frame that I'm planning to heavily convert. It will be the unique ride for the XO of my combined-arms Tartan Brigade of the Rim Worlds Army at the start of the Amaris Civil War. Although I'm still brainstorming ideas to match up with the company he'll be leading, I was originally debating:

Type: Crusader (Cavalry)
Mass: 65 tons
                                      Mass
Internal Structure:            6.5
Engine: 325 XL                   7

Walking MP:  4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4

Dbl Heat Sinks: 10(20)        0
Gyro:                                 4
Cockpit:                             3
Armor Factor: 200             12.5

Internal / Armor
Head:                      3/ 9
Center Torso:           21 /24
Center Torso (rear): 15
R/L Torso:               15/ 20
R/L Torso (rear):      10
R/L Arm:                 10/ 20
R/L Leg :                 15/ 26

Weapons and Ammo            Location           Critical          Tonnage

LB 10-X AC                            RT                    6                   11
Ammo (LB-X) 30                    RT                    3                   3
SRM-6                                   RA                   2                    3 
Artemis IV FCS                      RA                    1                    1
Ammo (SRM) 15                    RA                    1                    1
CASE                                    RA                    1                    .5
SRM-6                                  LA                     2                    3 
Artemis IV FCS                      LA                     1                   1
Ammo (SRM) 15                    LA                     1                   1
CASE                                    LA                     1                   .5
Med Laser                             LT                     1                    1
Med Laser                             LT                     1                    1
Med Laser                             LT                    1                    1
Jump Jets                              RL                    2                   2
Jump Jets                              LL                     2                   2


So, my first custom mech in almost a decade, lol. That's the problem, though, as I've been out of the hobby for so long, I think I missed some of the new tech to come out for the earlier eras. For example, I noticed in Operation: Klondike, that there was a Falcon Variant with a Snub-Nosed PPC, which caught me off-guard, as I didn't realize the Snub was SL-era tech. At this point, I turn to you guys and gals for assistance, to teach this old dog some new tricks, lol. Of course, I want this mech to remain as Star League tech, so please keep that in mind. Thanks in advance for your help. Take care, y'all.
« Last Edit: 03 October 2013, 01:35:20 by 1000heathens »
You've thrown us out, then fenced us in. You've called us renegades and murderers, yet you praise us for our resilience and determination. You've despised us in times of weakness and praised us when we were strong. You've alternately abandoned us to our fate and courted us when it suited your pleasure. Is it any wonder that we guard our wallets when you offer us your so-called friendship? Isn't it enough to know that we sicken at the sight of your kind?
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #1 on: 03 October 2013, 00:34:21 »
Looks pretty Star League-y to me  O0


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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #2 on: 03 October 2013, 00:38:45 »
You can always just go for firepower.

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Crusader CQC

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 11,452,760 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,326

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Autocannon/20s
    1  Medium Laser
    1  Streak SRM-2
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 6 LA, 7 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 208                 13.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           32       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           29       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
Streak SRM-2                                 LA        2         1         1.50
Autocannon/20                                CT/RT     7         1/9      14.00
Autocannon/20                                CT/LT     7         1/9      14.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           LA        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  RL        -         2         2.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  LL        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 13
4          1       1       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 4/4/0



Or if you want some critseeking and really need the range and JJs:

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Crusader CQC - JJ

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 11,909,810 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,510

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  LB 10-X AC
    3  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 RT, 1 RL                                   3.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         6        11.00
Autocannon/20                                CT/LT     7         1/9      14.00
Medium Laser                                 HD        3         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (5)                                   RL        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  LL        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 15
4/2j       3       3       1       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0, FLK 1/1/1


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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #3 on: 03 October 2013, 00:57:02 »
@Sartris: Thanks! It's been so long, I was impressed how much I still remembered, lol.

The last question still stands, though... what items of the newer tech that Catalyst has been making is actually League-era stuff? If the Snub-nosed PPC really is from that era now, I might be making a modification to the list. Also, are there any newer command issue equipment around in the League era now? Like a low tech C3 system, or something similar? If I can create a solid communications net for my Brigade, that would be outstanding.  After all, this will be a mech taking part in a huge campaign, and logistics rule the battlefield, lol.

@Cloak: Dang, that first build is a beast! Considering the extremely long campaign this Crusader will be in, though, and will be piloted by a second in command, I think I'd like to keep the speed and jets. Gnarly design though, I'd hate facing that monster down, lol.

As for the second, again, the speed. I'm also beginning to question the AC at all, as this will be a long campaign, which will inevitably not go in my favor, as my boys get pushed closer and closer to Terra. Maybe not what you were aiming to educate me with, lol, but a lesson none the less. Thanks for the assist, man!
You've thrown us out, then fenced us in. You've called us renegades and murderers, yet you praise us for our resilience and determination. You've despised us in times of weakness and praised us when we were strong. You've alternately abandoned us to our fate and courted us when it suited your pleasure. Is it any wonder that we guard our wallets when you offer us your so-called friendship? Isn't it enough to know that we sicken at the sight of your kind?
-From Commodore Sigur Fonn's speech to the Terran Ambassador, reported in the Osaka Morning Shimbun, Terra, October 15, 2415

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #4 on: 03 October 2013, 01:16:17 »
The last question still stands, though... what items of the newer tech that Catalyst has been making is actually League-era stuff? If the Snub-nosed PPC really is from that era now, I might be making a modification to the list. Also, are there any newer command issue equipment around in the League era now? Like a low tech C3 system, or something similar? If I can create a solid communications net for my Brigade, that would be outstanding.  After all, this will be a mech taking part in a huge campaign, and logistics rule the battlefield, lol.

There's not much stuff, the Snubbie pretty much is it. There are nifty LRM alternate ammos though, and it makes LRMs really good. But you're asking for a CQC mech. There's no C3 except C3 and that isn't out yet.

@Cloak: Dang, that first build is a beast! Considering the extremely long campaign this Crusader will be in, though, and will be piloted by a second in command, I think I'd like to keep the speed and jets. Gnarly design though, I'd hate facing that monster down, lol.

As for the second, again, the speed. I'm also beginning to question the AC at all, as this will be a long campaign, which will inevitably not go in my favor, as my boys get pushed closer and closer to Terra. Maybe not what you were aiming to educate me with, lol, but a lesson none the less. Thanks for the assist, man!

You want 5/8? Alright, I'll do 5/8.

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Crusader Snubbie

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 13,806,760 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,535

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  Snub-Nose PPC
    4  Streak SRM-2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Streak SRM-2                                 RA        2         1         1.50
Streak SRM-2                                 LA        2         1         1.50
Snub-Nose PPC                                RT        10        2         6.00
Autocannon/20                                CT/LT     7         1/9      14.00
Streak SRM-2                                 CT        2         1         1.50
Streak SRM-2                                 HD        2         1         1.50
@AC/20 (5)                                   RL        -         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           RL        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  LL        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 15
5          3       2       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0



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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #5 on: 03 October 2013, 01:49:44 »
First off, thank you for all your help. I usually avoid forums due to flame wars and trolls, but everyone here, yourself included, have proven my fears wrong. Thank you.

Second, I have changed the title to reflect my swiftly-changing opinion, as I'm starting to think something more along the lines of a medium to long range command mech to lead a cavalry oriented combined arms company...

There's not much stuff, the Snubbie pretty much is it. There are nifty LRM alternate ammos though, and it makes LRMs really good. But you're asking for a CQC mech. There's no C3 except C3 and that isn't out yet.

The Snubs are legit then, cool. Thanks.
Really? Which book are those LRM's in? I may have overlooked them. Might have to do some re-tooling.
Yeah, I know the C3 didn't exist yet, I was just wondering if there are rules for some sort of command computer in the League era, a la Cyclops and her B-2000 Computer. C'est la vie.

You want 5/8? Alright, I'll do 5/8.

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Crusader Snubbie

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 13,806,760 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,535

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  Snub-Nose PPC
    4  Streak SRM-2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Streak SRM-2                                 RA        2         1         1.50
Streak SRM-2                                 LA        2         1         1.50
Snub-Nose PPC                                RT        10        2         6.00
Autocannon/20                                CT/LT     7         1/9      14.00
Streak SRM-2                                 CT        2         1         1.50
Streak SRM-2                                 HD        2         1         1.50
@AC/20 (5)                                   RL        -         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           RL        -         1         1.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  LL        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 15
5          3       2       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0



Very nice, though I still worry about that AC-20. It may be a superstition, but I've had some terrible luck with that monster. What would your opinion be of swapping it out with a gauss?
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #6 on: 03 October 2013, 02:16:18 »
On a side note, what program are you using to make those charts? I'm still hangin' with the dinosaurs with my paper, pencil, and calculator here, lol.
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #7 on: 03 October 2013, 03:59:08 »
You want close combat? Try the Crusader Crael from Royalty & Rogues. Drops the LRMs for SRM6s and claws.
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #8 on: 03 October 2013, 05:39:37 »
On a side note, what program are you using to make those charts? I'm still hangin' with the dinosaurs with my paper, pencil, and calculator here, lol.
They're using Solaris Skunkwerks.  Though I've seen a few using a different program lately, SSW has been the only current program for mech design for a while.

Here's a link to it for you.
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #9 on: 03 October 2013, 06:41:15 »
Taking a different tack, this is a configuration that looks much like a CRD-3R in that it keeps the weapons pairings, but the LRMs are replaced with ER Large Lasers.  It also carries an anti-missile system and flamers for dealing with those pesky infantry and riot tasks.  Notice the SRMs are still in the legs.

First, the 4/6/4 version:

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Crusader CRD-CAV

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 12,185,360 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,466

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    2  SRM-4s w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  Flamers
    1  Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT                                         4.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           33       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0.50
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        2         5.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2.00
Flamer                                       RA        3         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        2         5.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         1.00
SRM-4                                        RL        3         1         2.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RL        -         1         1.00
SRM-4                                        LL        3         1         2.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LL        -         1         1.00
@SRM-4 (Artemis) (25)                        RT        -         1         1.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 15
4j         3       3       2       0      3     1   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AMS, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



And then the 5/8/0 version, which simply reduces the medium pulses to regular medium lasers to make the weight:

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Crusader CRD-CAV2

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 14,130,160 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,553

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    2  SRM-4s w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  Flamers
    1  Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           33       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0.50
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        2         5.00
Flamer                                       RA        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        2         5.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
SRM-4                                        RL        3         1         2.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RL        -         1         1.00
SRM-4                                        LL        3         1         2.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LL        -         1         1.00
@SRM-4 (Artemis) (25)                        RT        -         1         1.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 22

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 16
5          3       3       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AMS, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #10 on: 03 October 2013, 10:42:07 »
I would go with something like this.  You still have LRM's so you can still do long range support, but more close in, and its a minor variant of the Star league model.

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Crusader CRD-3br

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 12,017,060 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,521

Chassis: Crucis-b Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Magna 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Riese 500 Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  Snub-Nose PPC
    2  LRM-15s
    2 Intek Medium Lasers
    4  Streak SRM-2s
    1  Anti-Missile System
    1  TAG
Manufacturer: TharHes Industries, Brigadier Corporation, Kallon Industries
    Primary Factory: Tharkad (TharHes), Oliver (Brigadier), Asuncion, Bernardo (Kallon)
Communications System: Garret T11-b
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret A6

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 4 LT, 3 RT, 4 LA, 3 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             12(24)                    2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50
    CASE Locations: 1 LT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           33       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       RA        5         3         7.00
TAG                                          RA        0         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       LA        5         3         7.00
Snub-Nose PPC                                CT        10        2         6.00
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0.50
2 Streak SRM-2s                              RL        4         2         3.00
2 Streak SRM-2s                              LL        4         2         3.00
@LRM-15 (16)                                 LT        -         2         2.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           LT        -         1         1.00
@Anti-Missile System (12)                    LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 15
4          3       3       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AMS, TAG, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #11 on: 03 October 2013, 10:52:44 »
This kinda feels right too, its a sort of riff on the modern 8S.  It just is a bit light on ammo, but that does make it a bit less likely to blow up.  A possible variant would be to swap one LRM-10 for an ER large laser so it can fight decently at any range.

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Crusader CRD-8br

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3064
Cost: 11,771,210 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,437

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    2  LRM-10s
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  Streak SRM-2s
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 3 RT, 5 LA, 5 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                             4.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 176                 11.00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           25       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           19       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           17       
                                             L/R Leg     15           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
LRM-10                                       RA        4         2         5.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
LRM-10                                       LA        4         2         5.00
Autocannon/20                                CT/LT     7         2/8      14.00
Streak SRM-2                                 RL        2         1         1.50
Streak SRM-2                                 LL        2         1         1.50
@AC/20 (10)                                  RT        -         2         2.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           RT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-10 (12)                                 RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 14
4j         2       2       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #12 on: 03 October 2013, 14:47:30 »
@Worktroll: I try to avoid CC like the plague. If I can't drop a lance with overwhelming firepower, I'm doing something wrong, lol.

@Feign: Thanks! That's awesome.

@snimm: I think the CAV2 variant is the winner. I'm really liking that it's capable of dueling at range, dangerous at close quarters, and lethal to infantry, while capable of carrying on if supplies and ammo get thin on the ground. Thanks for that, man.

@Blitzy: Thanks anyway, brother, but I think I got my mech.


I appreciate all the help from everyone. I'll start converting my Crusader into the CAV2 variant, and get pics posted soon. :)
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #13 on: 03 October 2013, 15:57:54 »
A bit of a cheating upgrade of the CAV2 - FF armor, SSRMs placed in the torso (thought there's still room in the legs for 'em ;) ). Weight and heat saving makes it practical to upgrade the MLs to MPLs.

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CRD-CAV2-S

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 13 932 160 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 564

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    4  Streak SRM-2s
    2  Flamers
    1  Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6,50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12,00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4,00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 197                 11,00
    Armor Locations: 4 LT, 4 RT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           28       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     15           23       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0,50
2 Streak SRM-2s                              RT        4         2         3,00
2 Streak SRM-2s                              LT        4         2         3,00
Flamer                                       RA        3         1         1,00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        2         5,00
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2,00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         1,00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        2         5,00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2,00
@Anti-Missile System (12)                    CT        -         1         1,00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           CT        -         1         1,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 16
5          4       3       2       0      3     2   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AMS, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #14 on: 03 October 2013, 16:11:08 »
Well then. Good thing I didn't start chopping yet, lol. I'm liking the Cav V2 even better.

I'm working with the unseen crusader, so I'd like to keep the SRM's in the shoulders, so I can make use of those racks. The blocky forearms are almost begging for the flamer / MPL combo, and I think the ER LL will move into the left and right torso's, respectively, to make the variant look obviously different.

Never really been a fan of the missiles in the legs anyway, lol.
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #15 on: 03 October 2013, 16:34:10 »
Of course there's enough space to put all the weapons in the arms... ;) Not that it's smart to do that, but it's sure Crusader-ish! ;D

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #16 on: 03 October 2013, 17:16:16 »
@Worktroll: I try to avoid CC like the plague. If I can't drop a lance with overwhelming firepower, I'm doing something wrong, lol.

Claws were much cooler in the THB. Basically, you grappled the target, and got to-hit bonuses with non-arm-mounted weapons, IIRC. Plus I kitbashed one with Lost in Space robot claws. "Danger, Will Kerensky! Danger!"
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #17 on: 03 October 2013, 17:20:04 »
Very nice, though I still worry about that AC-20. It may be a superstition, but I've had some terrible luck with that monster. What would your opinion be of swapping it out with a gauss?

The Gauss Rifle is a great, great weapon at the period. Unmatched damage to range ratio.

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Crusader Gauss

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 14,004,760 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,877

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Gauss Rifle
    1  ER PPC
    1  SRM-6 w/ Artemis IV FCS
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 2 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 4 RA, 1 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-6                                        RA        4         2         3.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RA        -         1         1.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LA        1         7        15.00
ER PPC                                       RT        15        3         7.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15)                        RA        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             LA        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 19
5          4       4       3       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



@Worktroll: I try to avoid CC like the plague. If I can't drop a lance with overwhelming firepower, I'm doing something wrong, lol.

@snimm: I think the CAV2 variant is the winner. I'm really liking that it's capable of dueling at range, dangerous at close quarters, and lethal to infantry, while capable of carrying on if supplies and ammo get thin on the ground. Thanks for that, man.

Hmm...

I think there's one way to do better:

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Crusader CAV3

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 14,208,535 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,799

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  ER PPCs
    6  Medium Lasers
    1  Streak SRM-2
    1  Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 4 LA, 4 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 208                 13.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           32       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           29       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 Medium Lasers                              RA        9         3         3.00
Streak SRM-2                                 LA        2         1         1.50
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2.00
ER PPC                                       RT        15        3         7.00
ER PPC                                       LT        15        3         7.00
Medium Laser                                 CT        3         1         1.00
Flamer                                       HD        3         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           LA        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 18
5          4       4       2       0      3     1   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



ERPPCs are really great weapons, especially with only SL tech. They outrange pretty much everything you can expect to face.

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Crusader CQC?
« Reply #18 on: 03 October 2013, 17:48:57 »
The Snubs are legit then, cool. Thanks.
Really? Which book are those LRM's in? I may have overlooked them. Might have to do some re-tooling.

Tac Ops specifies Frag Rounds, which are anti-infantry, heat-seeking, which are accurate against overheated targets, incendiary, which start fires and can be mixed with other ammo types (but they don't cause heat), thunder, which fires a minefield instead of missiles, and Swarm, which will send any missiles that miss into a nearby enemy target.

Yeah, I know the C3 didn't exist yet, I was just wondering if there are rules for some sort of command computer in the League era, a la Cyclops and her B-2000 Computer. C'est la vie.

Strategic Operations has two kinds of command computers. The Battle Computer on the Cyclops gives +2 to initiative, the Command Battlemech on something like the Atlas gives +1.

Pretty much what it says on the tin, with a few additives. I'd like to design a Close Quarters Combat / Cavalry-oriented mech, using an Unseen Crusader frame that I'm planning to heavily convert. It will be the unique ride for the XO of my combined-arms Tartan Brigade of the Rim Worlds Army at the start of the Amaris Civil War.

Hmm....

Extra question, what OTHER mechs do you have avaliable? Because I can get creative with the Frankenmechs here.

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #19 on: 03 October 2013, 18:52:35 »
So you're actually about to butcher up an old unseen mini?
Damn, that's a sacrificial ritual.  ;D
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #20 on: 03 October 2013, 19:32:34 »
@Cloak: Ah, haven't gotten those books yet. I picked up the starter set, and then went on a Rim Worlds/Star League buying spree (Liberation of Terra, Age of War, Primitives, etc). Guess they just moved to my "buy now" list. As for other mechs, I'm literally re-starting from scratch right now. The old Crusader was my only survivor from the Purge. Right now, I have a Crossbow (old school, not clan), Dark Age Hatchetman (bought on accident, damn you e-bay!), Hermes II (which can be sacrificed), and the Crusader. I can easily sacrifice the Hatchetman for any diabolical means, as well as the Hermes. I also have a Galahad (again, SL version) that's en route right now, though the body and legs are going to be used for a AEM-001 Dragoon scratchbuild. The arms can be used though, for any other means.

So you're actually about to butcher up an old unseen mini?
Damn, that's a sacrificial ritual.  ;D

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #21 on: 03 October 2013, 23:55:02 »
Well, despite the fact that I got modified, I still appreciate the kudos for the selection. :)

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #22 on: 04 October 2013, 02:21:51 »
Well, that Galahad gives me an idea for a mod using one of its arms to get a big Gauss Rifle into play.  The first is an easy refit with FF armor which emphasizes ease of refitting the model by keeping the SRM 6's so it should just be swapping the right arm and modifying the left for the DEW cluster.  You may want to consider swapping the third ton of Gauss ammo for another ML so you can saturate your sinks without firing the Flamer or another ton of SRM ammo for infernos, but I think the extra endurance will serve you better in the larger battles to be expected in this time period which will almost certainly last long enough to empty all three tons of Gauss ammo.

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Crusader CRD-RWR-A

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/D-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 13,651,742 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,782

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Gauss Rifle
    2  SRM-6s
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 206                 11.50
    Armor Locations: 2 CT, 3 LT, 2 RT, 3 LA, 2 LL, 2 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           28       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gauss Rifle                                  RA        1         7        15.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         1.00
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2.00
SRM-6                                        RT        4         2         3.00
SRM-6                                        LT        4         2         3.00
@Gauss Rifle (24)                            RA        -         3         3.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  HD        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 11

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 18
5          3       3       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, SRM 2/2/0

This second one I am happier with because it has a second ton of SRM ammo for Infernos and another ML without needing to sacrifice endurance on the Rifle, although it requires Endo-Steel to do it so it is not much of a refit.

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Crusader CRD-RWR-B

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/D-F-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 13,673,192 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,816

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Gauss Rifle
    2  SRM-6s
    3  Medium Lasers
    1  Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 2 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT, 2 LA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           31       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gauss Rifle                                  RA        1         7        15.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         1.00
3 Medium Lasers                              LA        9         3         3.00
SRM-6                                        RT        4         2         3.00
SRM-6                                        LT        4         2         3.00
@Gauss Rifle (24)                            RA        -         3         3.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  RT        -         1         1.00
@SRM-6 (Inferno) (15)                        LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 18
5          3       3       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, SRM 2/2/0


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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #23 on: 04 October 2013, 07:57:15 »
Well, despite the fact that I got modified, I still appreciate the kudos for the selection. :)

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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #24 on: 04 October 2013, 21:24:55 »
You know, all along I thought I had put Endo Steel into the thing so I didn't even bother considering Ferro.  I see now that I still had standard structure.  Duh.
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Re: Requesting Assistance - Cavalry-oriented Crusader?
« Reply #25 on: 05 October 2013, 08:47:55 »
Starting from a Jihad era cavalry oriented crusader:
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Crusader CRD-8M

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3077
Cost: 14,031,160 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,554

Chassis: Foundation CMRFa6 Endo-Steel
Power Plant: VOX 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Riese 500 Standard Armor
Armament:
    2 Diverse Optics ER Large Lasers
    2 Doombud MML-7s
    2 Diverse Optics ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Garret T11-A
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret D5j

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 2 CT, 4 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 184                 11.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           28       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     15           23       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        2         5.00
MML-7                                        RA        4         4         4.50
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        2         5.00
MML-7                                        LA        4         4         4.50
Ammo (MML-7 (LRM)) 17                        RT        -         1         1.00
Ammo (MML-7 (SRM)) 14                        RT        -         1         1.00
Ammo (MML-7 (LRM)) 17                        LT        -         1         1.00
Ammo (MML-7 (SRM)) 14                        LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 16
5          4       4       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

I got to this pretty quickly for close combat:
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Crusader CRD-7M

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E
Production Year: 2677
Cost: 13,965,160 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,565

Chassis: Foundation CMRFa6 Endo-Steel
Power Plant: VOX 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Riese 500 Standard Armor
Armament:
    2 Diverse Optics ER Large Lasers
    2  Medium Lasers
    4  SRM-4s
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Garret T11-A
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret D5j

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 2 CT, 4 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             325                      12.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           33       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        2         5.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
2 SRM-4s                                     RA        6         2         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        2         5.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
2 SRM-4s                                     LA        6         2         4.00
Ammo (SRM-4) 50                              RT        -         2         2.00
Ammo (SRM-4) 50                              LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 16
5          3       3       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, SRM 2/2/0

Cheers,
LCC
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