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Title: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: BiggRigg42 on 23 December 2018, 01:14:44

I know how to assign personal armor BAR values based off of what armor my character has on when using hit location rules, but not without hit location rules.   

I know that, "Basic combat rules presume that all characters aim their attacks at the target's center of mass, and so any damage done is generalized," (from, page 190); How do I--mathematically--generalize all of the various BAR values of all the various pieces of personal armor that a character has on? 

Moreover, "When using hit locations, the BAR of any personal armor must be that of the armor in the specific body location struck, rather than the character's overall BAR," (from, page 190.) So, mathematically, what is a character's overall BAR?

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: guardiandashi on 23 December 2018, 03:11:41

Quote from: BiggRigg42 on 23 December 2018, 01:14:44

I know how to assign personal armor BAR values based off of what armor my character has on when using hit location rules, but not without hit location rules.   

I know that, "Basic combat rules presume that all characters aim their attacks at the target's center of mass, and so any damage done is generalized," (from, page 190); How do I--mathematically--generalize all of the various BAR values of all the various pieces of personal armor that a character has on? 

Moreover, "When using hit locations, the BAR of any personal armor must be that of the armor in the specific body location struck, rather than the character's overall BAR," (from, page 190.) So, mathematically, what is a character's overall BAR?

I believe for simplicity you can just use the torso BAR

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: Robroy on 23 December 2018, 05:30:04

The description of the armor should say if the locations BAR is different. IIRC. Otherwise use the torso values.

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: Daryk on 23 December 2018, 06:59:47

As the others have said, the "overall" BAR is the torso BAR.  The Companion uses that value when converting to TW scale.

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: BiggRigg42 on 23 December 2018, 08:53:25

Thanks guys. Using the torso BAR value does make sense with some of the examples. I appreciate your confirmation.

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: monbvol on 24 December 2018, 23:31:49

I suspect you may find the second link in my signature helpful as well, particularly for seeing the differences between using hit locations and not.

Further note a rather simple way to mix the two so that protecting all locations with armor stays a good idea would be simply to aim shots.

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: BiggRigg42 on 25 December 2018, 12:19:15

Quote from: monbvol on 24 December 2018, 23:31:49

I suspect you may find the second link in my signature helpful as well, particularly for seeing the differences between using hit locations and not.

Further note a rather simple way to mix the two so that protecting all locations with armor stays a good idea would be simply to aim shots.

Thanks, I read over that. It was helpful.

Title: Re: How do I determine personal armor BAR values without using hit location rules?
Post by: monbvol on 25 December 2018, 12:22:18

You are welcome.  And I really should get back to working on that project one of these days.