Naval Pictures VII: Underway, Shift Colors!

[kato]

Same rocket as the old BM-14, right?

Yes, it's compatible to the BM-14's ammunition family (since the Soviet Navy installed both BM-14-17 and the Polish version WM-18 in similar applications up till the late 70s), but it also has its own non-backwards-compatible ammunition family.

The main problem with the BM-14 ammunition family is its atrocious minimum range of depending on firing angle between 3.8 and 7.5 km. The new rockets for Ogon fill exactly the range bracket below that, with a min range of 0.8 km and max range of 4.5 km.

[chanman]

More postcards of ill-fated armoured cruisers!

HMS Defence - Minotaur-class - lost with all hands at the Battle of Jutland


HMS Black Prince - Duke of Edinburgh-class - lost with all hands at the Battle of Jutland


HMS Warrior - Warrior-class - heavily damaged at the Battle of Jutland and foundered shortly after


SMS Scharnhorst - Scharnhorst-class - lost with all hands at the Battle of the Falkland Islands


SMS Gneisenau - Scharnhorst-class - lost at the Battle of the Falkland Islands with heavy loss of life

[DaveMac]

Out of curiosity, were the wrecks ever found on the Med's bottom?  Be interesting to see how close they are together.

You might find this site interesting (example of HMS Cressy)

https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?55

[Kidd]

Speshul K hoodoo strikes again

Fire broke out on Kuznetsov's upper deck;  six or seven critically injured crew

[marauder648]

That ship is cursed. There's probably admirals in Russia who are pushing for her to just be broken up for scrap, it would save a LOT of money in repairs and maintenace. And the thing is, that picture above, that's not the fire, she's on fire in port, tied up at the pier, that's just her chugging along as normal. I swear they just fill her funnel up with old tyres and let them burn.



Have a Kongo class Battlecruiser as completed in 1915.  I've read that the UK was actually looking at trying to loan the whole class off Japan in WW1 but the Japanese declined.

[PsihoKekec]

I remember on another forum, when someone posted picture of the old boiler, when it was pulled out of the ship during refit and another poster asked if they shot the poor thing, to put it out of it's misery.

[Kidd]

Damn you're right marauder648

Updated with correct images

[Colt Ward]

Damn you're right marauder648

Updated with correct images

Lol, I was wondering about that . . . I was like, I SWEAR those are anchor chains, how can she not be docked to that pier?

On the bright side . . . all that snow on the flight deck makes the surface look like its in good condition!  Pretty hard to see the rust, burns, holes and where the crane went with snow covering it all.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Speshul K hoodoo strikes again

Fire broke out on Kuznetsov's upper deck;  six or seven critically injured crew

Is that ice buildup hanging off the sides?  If so she's NOT getting caretaking anywhere near what she should...

Update:  Special K's in deep trouble.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a30211682/admiral-kuznetsov-fire/

One confirmed dead, two missing, twelve injured, and fire spreading across six hundred meters of the ship "covering the majority" after it got into the fuel oil and diesel tanks.  This was during replacement of the high-pressure boiler system that was mentioned earlier this year, and considering she was burning for hours the damage is likely to be severe and structural.

[glitterboy2098]

yeah that sounds pretty bad. the the ship was way overdue for either a major rebuild or retirement anyway.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Major rebuild, certainly, but without a drydock for her...

[Sabelkatten]

Maybe they can send her to India or China. Both seem to be able to handle Russian carriers better than their builder... :D

[Liam's Ghost]

On the subject of Russian Albatrosses, Do you see torpedo boats?

(couldn't find a good still image of the Imperial Russian Navy repair ship Kamchatka on my own, but the linked video has that covered)

[Daryk]

Fires are sadly common in maintenance periods.  The only surprising thing is how out of control that fire seems to have gotten... even Russian damage control shouldn't be that bad...

[chanman]

Maybe they can send her to India or China. Both seem to be able to handle Russian carriers better than their builder... :D

China can build a Kuznetsov from scratch. What's the point? They may be able to build a new carrier in the time it would take to tow the hulk of the Kuznetsov to Shanghai and finish an inspection for deficiencies. (deficiencies: everything)

[Kidd]

They were building a new dry dock for her.

[Fat Guy]

Special K

Soviet era quality control at it's finest.   ;)

[glitterboy2098]

On the subject of Russian Albatrosses, Do you see torpedo boats?

(couldn't find a good still image of the Imperial Russian Navy repair ship Kamchatka on my own, but the linked video has that covered)

Also this video, which puts it all in context.. i feel bad for laughing so much at the absurdity of that voyage, given how it ended.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Hilariously, that's the same route Kuznetsov would have had to take - under tow! - if they wanted to get her to the only other floating drydock big enough to handle her.  One could only imagine what the remake of the Voyage of the Damned would have looked like...

[marauder648]

Apparently the fire on the K is out now.

Specialists said that the cause of the Kuznetsov's fire was that the hot welding fly slag ignited the oiled rag in the cabin. After the fire, the fire spread to the cables. According to the current safety regulations, the crew must clean up all kinds of garbage on the job site before dangerous operations are allowed, but they apparently not.

Kind of sounds like the fire that broke out on the Normandie, she was undergoing major work and sparks from welding tools caught some rags or something and that's how it started.

With the fire burning for hours, you can bet that her structural support beams are weakened and they'd need replacing, which, lets be honest here means Constructive Total Loss.

[marauder648]

 Italian cruiser Duca degli Abruzzi at flank speed



The Austro-Hungarian fleet out on manouvers in 1913



A KGV class, HMS Belfast and a Dido post war. Nice size difference and banana for scale shot.

[chanman]

That scale shot really shows how battleships often get mis-identified as cruisers or vice versa considering inter-war cruisers often looked exactly what you would expect a battleship scaled down to fit a 10,000 tonne displacement would look like. The similarity in silhouette between say a Baltimore class and an Iowa is striking. That goes double when visibility isn't 100% and the other side hasn't been considerate enough to sail around with close escorts to provide scale.

[marauder648]

That scale shot really shows how battleships often get mis-identified as cruisers or vice versa considering inter-war cruisers often looked exactly what you would expect a battleship scaled down to fit a 10,000 tonne displacement would look like. The similarity in silhouette between say a Baltimore class and an Iowa is striking. That goes double when visibility isn't 100% and the other side hasn't been considerate enough to sail around with close escorts to provide scale.

Indeed, the Germans did that very deliberately with their Hipper class cruisers that were designed to look like the Bismarck class to confuse an observer due to their near identical profile, the only difference being scale. It worked too, at Denmark Straight the RN ships concentrated on Prinz Eugen first because they thought she was the Bismarck.

[Kidd]

Ugh, reminiscent of K-19something

Single drop of spilled welding material weakened a critical section of reactor piping

That scale shot really shows how battleships often get mis-identified as cruisers or vice versa considering inter-war cruisers often looked exactly what you would expect a battleship scaled down to fit a 10,000 tonne displacement would look like. The similarity in silhouette between say a Baltimore class and an Iowa is striking. That goes double when visibility isn't 100% and the other side hasn't been considerate enough to sail around with close escorts to provide scale.

Indeed, that's what I thought too when I saw that pic

[Colt Ward]

Well . . . I went below decks in the Belfast, squeezing between the hull and some of the magazine equipment . . . what struck me was how much more room BB-35 Texas had, and she was 20 years older.  But I think some of that is the design philosophy between the USN and RN.

[Wrangler]

Didn't the Washington Treaty slow down alot developmental improvements that the Royal Navy was trying to do?  They would had a very different Navy by the time WW2 broke out. 

I do wonder if the Aircraft Carrier would have been a thing hadn't Treaty hadn't gone done.  I think it would been still rise of the fleet carriers if War as we knew it came out, but the Carrier would came out much later or slower given Capital Ship race would have been still on with Battleships. 

Like the UK's G3-Class and US's 1920s era Proposal for the South Dakota Class Battleships or Lexington Class Battlecruisers.  I'm not sure what designs US had in mind or proposed, since 1920s South Dakotas were slow 23 knot ships more extensive (if not wild) UK designs which were pitched prior to compromise of the Nelson-Class became.

[Wrangler]

As aside note, looks like Narco subs are still a thing.  The Spanish caught a Narco semi-submersable sub crossing the Atlantic.


Popular Mechanics reported the capture and posted the pictures.

Looks like usual model they were using (not super expensive / more realistic ones) they seem to favor.

[marauder648]

Didn't the Washington Treaty slow down alot developmental improvements that the Royal Navy was trying to do?  They would had a very different Navy by the time WW2 broke out. 

I do wonder if the Aircraft Carrier would have been a thing hadn't Treaty hadn't gone done.  I think it would been still rise of the fleet carriers if War as we knew it came out, but the Carrier would came out much later or slower given Capital Ship race would have been still on with Battleships. 

Like the UK's G3-Class and US's 1920s era Proposal for the South Dakota Class Battleships or Lexington Class Battlecruisers.  I'm not sure what designs US had in mind or proposed, since 1920s South Dakotas were slow 23 knot ships more extensive (if not wild) UK designs which were pitched prior to compromise of the Nelson-Class became.

that's always a big question about how things could have changed following the Cherry Tree and assuming the WNT failed (lets say that the US spying was actually discovered, the USA had bugged the rooms of the UK and Japanese attendees and listened in on their private and secret discussions).

Money's obviously a huge problem, the US could have gone ahead and built the SoDak's and some of the Lexington's the UK apparently had the money for some G3 and N3 type or size ships and Japan was building but straining its finances.

Then there's the Kanto earthquake, as well as the Great Depression and then big budgets for naval spending are going to be strangled.

[Wrangler]

Chinese Navy gotten their third aircraft carrier out and about on trials, designated Type 002. 

[Weirdo]

As aside note, looks like Narco subs are still a thing.  The Spanish caught a Narco semi-submersable sub crossing the Atlantic.


Popular Mechanics reported the capture and posted the pictures.

Looks like usual model they were using (not super expensive / more realistic ones) they seem to favor.

Transatlantic? Okay, now I'm REALLY impressed. Do they do it solo, or do you think the cartels might have rendezvous with improvised tenders?