Hello
Here's some more units that could fit as boondoggles. Mostly there's legality issues but there's also some that just didn't work well. There's more but I haven't gotten them typed up yet.I also updated the list above some. I hope this helps. :)
Mechs
Urbanmech MG variant Poor design (technological step backwards from small pulse laser) TRO:3050R pg 70
Hermes (early version with standard armor and vehicle flamer) Poor Design ? Nonfunctional (electronics) TRO:2750 pg 22.
Hermes HER-1S, -1A,-3S, and early version Illegal (weapon/targeting system, the Alexis Photon Target Acquisition System doesn’t have rules. It acts like a Streak system but lasers generate heat .) TRO:2750 pg 22, TRO:3025R pg 14, TRO:3036 pg 250, TRO:3050U pg190.
EXT-4D Exterminator Illegal (pre-introduction Reflective Armor It has standard armor with improved anti-laser ablatives to the first 4 layers.) TRO:2750 pg38, TRO:3050R pg 136.
Wyvern WVE-5N, -6N Illegal (pre-introduction Armored Components? Or there’s another class of laser. The Nightwing Large Laser is older, bulkier, and heavier than newer models.) TRO:2750 pg 28,TRO:3025 pg 52, TRO:3050R pg 104, TRO:3050U pg196.
Thug THG-11E Illegal weapon? (The Tiegart PPC is 10% smaller than others. The Thug had to be extensively modified to use Donal PPCs on the 10E variant. I’d say nonstandard parts quirk but it could be a step to the Clan’s Standard PPC.) TRO:2750 pg 48, TRO:3050R pg 160, TRO:3039 pg275.
Marco Illegal (two man collapsible cabin mounted in the rear torso.) Not sure (small observation platform across the shoulder.) TRO:VA page 218-219, TRO:VAR page 216-217
ANH-1A Annihilator Unnamed House Copies no info other than expensive and none was a satisfactory production model. Wolf's Dragoons page 101
SCP-1N Scorpion Illegal (construction, Heat Sinks in legs. The Vox 330 rated engine contains all 10 heat sinks.) Illegal (pre-introduction chemical double strength or pre-introduction clan double heat sinks, or some as yet unnamed lostech double heat sinks. The Scorpion’s specially constructed heat sinks are distributed to all 4 legs allowing the mech to vent nearly twice as much heat, even when standing in water. ) Possibly illegal (mixed heat sink types. ) illegal? (Weak belly armor (quirk?)) TRO3025, pg. 68
Scorpion (art) Poor design/limited application? Command console, 2x Vehicular Grenade Launchers on the side torsos, spotlight on the right torso under the PPC (quirk?) and another weapon mounted in the left torso belod the cockpit. Possibly extra com equipment, and liquid cargo/ammo or coolant pod in the rear side torsos. TRO:3025 page 69. TRO:3050 page 135 doesn’t have the other weapon. The art on page 48 Tactical Handbook only has the spotlight.
Griffen-IN Illegal (hand held PPC.) Illegal (no rules, armor baffles, pre intro modular armor?) TRO:3025 page64-65, Tactical Operations page 315, TRO:Prototypes pg 205.
Spider Illegal (cost. The Aberdovey MkIII medium lasers are considered the top quality available and are more expensive.) TRO:3025, pg. 18, TRO:3025R pg 20
Locust Jump Jet - poor design? Modified with jump jets TRO:3025, pg. 18
Ostscout illegal? (Sensors located outside the chassis and moved by actuator systems?) no rules (sensors can be Can be overloaded with info TRO:3025, pg. 28, TRO:3039 pg 285
Cicada PPC variant Illegal (PPC on the center torso.) TRO:3025 pg. 36, TRO:3025R pg 34 (I think this one was errated to the CDA-3C but the 3025 TROs did say it was experimental., so it could be the -3C’s prototype. Or not.)
Vulcan illegal? (no rules, specially vented jump jets reduce heat in its rear areas. ???), TRO:3025 pg. 42, TRO:3025R pg 42, TRO:3025R pg 42, TRO:3039 pg 124.
Vindicator - illegal (equipment/no rules, coolant jacket. The Coolant Jacket has water intakes mounted around the forward end of the Smasher PPC. The end is dipped into water and water drawn up to cool the PPC. Steam comes out the other end. Process took 10 seconds.) illegal? (Armored door covering the LRM Launcher. I’m guessing this would be a quirk since there’s so many mechs and vehicles with armored covers. ) Illegal (too many items in the head or pre-introduction small cockpit? The head mounted medium laser is protected by a thick cooling jacket. I’m guessing it’s the equipment Laser Insulator since it also protects as well as cools. It and the laser also cause a bulge in the cockpit which makes it cramped for taller pilots, and interferes with the ejection system.) TRO:3025 pg. 52, TRO:3025R pg 50, TRO:3039 pg 130.
Enforcer illegal (No rules/equipment cooling jacket. It not only cools but it protects innards AC in a brawl,
Enforcer variant above plus Illegal (pre-introduction SLDF tech compact engine) TRO:3025 pg. 56, TRO:3025R pg 58, TRO:3039 pg134
LAMs
Advanced Stinger LAM Illegal (Constructed with XLE, ES, and FF Armor. ) Nonfunctional (Conversion System) TRO:3085 pg 292
Unnamed LAM Protoype poor design (rejected in favor of the Phoenix Hawk LAM) TRO:2750 pg 78
Various Wasp LAM variants poor design and nonfunctional weapons (Many firms developed conversion systems for Wasps but weapons were inaccurate or inoperable. ) TRO:3025 page 128
Wasp LAM handheld weapon Illegal/quirk art TRO:3025 page 129
Vehicles
Skulker Wheeled Scout Tank (3026) Would this one be a support vehicle? Crew of 4 with antiquated communications and recon equipment. Originally had a tube antenna in front that was replaced by a machine gun. Has no targeting system. Is cheaper to buy another Skulker than newer electronics. Illegal (lower tech Remote sensors that can’t be deployed by the dispenser because they won't fit through the tube and are deployed by hand.) Illegal (for combat vehicles: Quarters for 4) Illegal (for combat vehicles: no targeting system. ) TRO:3026 pg, 14, TRO:3026R pg 18.
Skulker Wheeled Scout Tank (3039 with advanced sensors) Are there rules for navigating using only sensors? Illegal (Quarters for 4) TRO:3039 page 24
Skulker “Matahari” Illegal (mounts a Null Signature System? It uses baffles and insulation to be quieter and cooler so it can slowly drive past enemy sensors.)TRO:3039 page 24
Warrior H-7 Attack Helicopter (TRO:3026 version that’s faster) Illegal (remote sensor dispenser weighs .25 tons) TRO:3026 pg16, TRO:3026R pg20.
Karnov and all tilt rotor vehicles no rules for movement as airplanes.
Karnov UR Transport “Stealth” Illegal (mounts a Null Signature System? Says the engine and rotor baffles make it an extra quiet stealth version.) TRO:3036 pg 40.
Pegasus Scout Hover Tank Illegal (reinforced internal structure . 64.3% stronger.) Illegal (no rules for the Exeter Long scan can detect enemy vehicles and troops 30km away and presumably weighs 1 ton. [TROs 3026/3026R] The Recon Look Communications identifies them by their silhouette, speed, and their seismic and electronic noise.) Missing (Transboost Communications Equipment and it’s cost. Is it just a 1 ton Com. Equipment or a quirk? If the latter, what about the cost?) Illegal (No rules. Automatic equipment. The Salamander Systems CommPhase Unit can automatically fire at the easiest target to hit.) TRO:3026 pg 30-31, TRO:3026R pg 34-35, TRO:3039 pg 44-45.
Pegasus Scout Hover Tank Illegal (variant with multiple turrets. Front mounts a medium laser, rear mounts two retractable SRM Launchers. Also mounts Machine Guns in sponsons) Mechwarrior page 38
Gabriel Illegal (no rules automatic target acquisition system. It has an automated turret.) Illegal (pre intro targeting computer. It can aim at specific locations.) TRO2750, pg. 84; TRO30500, pg. 148; TRO3050R, pg. 188
Rotunda Illegal (breaks the heat neutral rule. The Amdecker 300 Large Laser sometimes generates heat unpredictably damaging the weapon and cause monitoring and venting problems) Illegal (Convertible cockpit/Quarters) TRO:3050R, pg. 194; TRO:2750 pg.90; TRO:3050U, pg. 154
Are the cosmetics equipment from Solaris VII Mappack still legal? It’d use the Cosmetic Accessories to disguise itself. Solaris VII Mappack page 62-64.
How much cargo can you carry in a rumble seat?
Cyrano VTOL Illegal (Fuersturm-C Large laser weighs almost 5 tons? Nonstandard parts for sure but how close to 5 tons is it? I know it doesn’t mean much when things are rounded up but if you’re using the fractional counting rules it could make a difference. It could also be a step to Clan Tech.) Illegal (pre into targeting computer. I’d say it was just improved targeting but the Sky Tracer WL makes adjustments.) TRO:3050R pg. 198; TRO:2750 pg. 94; TRO3050V, pg. 158
Lightning Illegal (no rules Collision avoidance radar and computer system. It detects objects at a distance and adjusts speed and heading to avoid them but can be overridden.) Illegal? (No rules. Special thrusters for increased maneuvering.) Illegal (Equipment/Partial WIGE Motive system. Partial wings allow jumps of 2 meters. That’s flat out on level terrain. How high would it jump going downhill or from a higher level to a lower one?) TRO:2750, pg 96; TRO3050R, pg. 100; TO 3050V, pg. 160
Nightshade with chin turret Poor design? Cargo space seems to be important and a turret would completely eliminate that for the 3050 version. There isn’t room on the 2750 one. TRO:2750 page 92; TRO:3050R page196.
Kanga Jump Tank - Illegal (missing drone equipment. The AL2200 Computer can operate the vehicle on a preprogrammed route. It can also simultaneously target 4 enemy vehicles or installations.) illegal (no rules. Jump Jets would explode when hit. Where those prototype versions?) TRO:2750, pg. 100; TRO:3050R, pg 206; TRO:3050U, pg. 166
Kanga KGA-3X Prototype Never deployed. Mounted a turret. Poor design? Non-functional? (Balance problems?) Plus items listed above? TRO:3050U, pg. 166, XTRO:Mercs, pg. 10
Kanga Jump Tank Pure jump tanks with lost motive system Illegal? (no motive system.) They’d also have the same issues as above. TRO:2750, pg. 100; TRO:3050U, pg. 166
Unnamed Jump Tanks few made no other information Tactical Operations page 348
Unnamed Artillery Vehicles Poor designs. More than a dozen designs submitted. Only a few prototyped. All carried the Thumper Artillery and were slower than the Thor. TRO2750, pg. 104, TRO3050U, pg. 168
Bulldog Medium Tank Illegal (weapon with no rules. Gas laser. The Bulldog Large Laser used an energy capacitor to release energy held in a krypton gas container.) TRO3026, pg. 58; TRO 3026R, pg. 62
Pathtrack Drone & NapFind Drone - (3039 version) Illegal (no targeting system/sensors) TRO:3036, pg. 71
Pathtrack Drone & NapFind Drone -(3026 version) - Illegal (no rules for sensor equipment) TRO3026, pg. 61; TRO3026, pg. 64-65
Monitor Heavy tank Illegal (weapon. The Parti- kill PPC doesn’t use capacitors. It uses magnetic bottles. The energy “shell” has a maximum range of 18 hexes. It disintegrates at 540 meters, so it can’t use extended or LOS ranges. I’m not sure it could use a PPC Capacitor since it doesn’t use them.) Illegal? (turret and location location. The SRM Launcher is mounted on a second turret on top of the main turret, 120 arc of fire. From the art, I’d say it was the LRM Launcer, not the SRM.) Missing? (The medium laser looks like it’s in a sponson turret.) Illegal (pre-introduction C3 Equipment with active probe and TAG?. The TargiTrack717 Targeting System can track targets through any terrain and combine its fire with other missile units to strike a particular target.) TRO:3026, pg. 64; TRO:3026R, pg. 68 TRO:3039, pg. 74
Pikes support vehicle Optional illegal (stealth equipment. The EmmisionKill cuts exhaust emissions making it difficult to see in infared but the tank becomes gas hog) TRO3026, pg. 66; TRO3039, pg. 76; TRO3026R, pg. 70
Monitor Naval Vessel the kits fit on a variety of hull shapes. Wouldn’t that make it hard to identify? If yes, could the Cosmetic: Accessories be used? TRO:3026 page 68, TRO:3026R page 72, TRO:3036 page 82. Solaris VII Mappack page 62-64.
Question. Is the art from 3026 the faster single AC/20 variant mentioned in TRO:3039?
J. Edgar Light Hover Tank – illegal (cost the StarSlab/7 armor is more expensive than the Prrotect Armor that often replaces it. Why is that?) Illegal? (no rules Obsolete electronics) TRO3026, pg. 20; TRO3026, pg. 29
Sea Skimmer Hydrofoil missing (no passenger space for civilian observers or for nuclear demolition charges.) Illegal (no rules for 1 kiloton nuclear demolition charge)
Hunter - early versions - nonfunctional electronics (first few hundred the tracking system would burn out the communications equipment.) TRO3026, pg. 28; TRO3926R, pg. 32
Drillson Heavy Hover Tank – illegal (weapon. The Cyclops Eye Large laser uses both laser and PPC tech. It’s also easier to maintain and manufacture. Functions as a laser under standard rules but can it use alternate rules? If so which ones? TRO3026, pg. 50; TRO 3026, pg. 54
Demolisher MK1 Illegal/nonfunctional construction? (Doesn’t vent heat from the AC/s. Required heat sinks and the crew has to wear environmental/coolant suits.) Illegal/Nonfunctional (Electronics. First fix used massive power amplifiers as part of the engine. The second fix used a smaller but more expensive more efficient engine with power amplifiers.) Motive system improved on the MKII (3026) variant. Number of crew(3-7) varies depending on age. Mechwarrior, pg. 36, 61, TRO3026, pg, 70, 74; TRO3026R, pg. 74, 78; TRO3039, pg. 86,90. MkI Commander’s Coolant Suit TRO:3026 page 127. Mechwarrior art shows variant with less armor and anti-infantry weapons add.
Unknown VTOL with heat problems. There must be one or there wouldn’t be a coolant suit on page 126 TRO:3026.
Sturmfeur Heavy Tank various prototypes with various LRM configurations. All had problems with colliding missiles. Not sure how to classify that. Illegal (targeting equipment? Mounted in turret, the HighLight Tracking Module keeps track of each missile rack’s target and the BlindFire Radar Targeting System can track up to 200 targets. It sounds like some kind of Probe coupled with a MaxTech Multi-Trac II. It is mounted.) Illegal (can’t make use of the Combat Vehicle Escape Pod. The crew can’t move around inside the tank. TRO3026, pg. 76; TRO3025R, pg. 80 MaxTech page 66
Ontos Heavy Tank Prototype – illegal/nonfunctional (heatsinks + power amplifier. When all 8 lasers fired the heat would surge through the heat sinks and fuse the power amplifier. TRO:3026 page 78, TRO3039, pg. 94
Behemoth Heavy Tank (extra turrets) - poor design? Missing (Sponson turrets. A MG and SRM-2 are mounted in ball turrets on the sides.) Missing (second turret. 2 SRM-2s are mounted in a turret in the front. Looks more like the second turret is on the main turret.) Illegal (quarters for 5, extra spacious). TRO:3026 page 80.
Neptune Submarine - illegal (missing extra fuel tank for hydrogen peroxide) Also missing range diesel fuel and hydrogen peroxide fuels. Also says that diesel fuel is cheaper and that hydrogen peroxide degrades the engine performance.) TRO:3026 page 82, TRO:3026R page 86, TRO3039, pg. 98
Seahorse Submarine What fuel does the Seahorse use under water? Does it have multiple tanks with Petrochemical to use on the surface in one and Hydrogen peroxide to use underwater in the other? TRO:VA +TRO:VAR page174,
Marten Scout VTOL Illegal - cargo bay can’t deploy remote sensors Illegal – (Null signature system? Specially ducted and muffled exhaust systems reduce infrared and audio signatures. The fuselage design reduces radar signature.) TRO3025R pg. 92;
Ferret Light Scout VTOL (remote sensor) - illegal (remote sensor display - only 15 sensors) TRO3026, pg, 4- 5; TRO3026R, pg. 8-9
Savanna Master prototype? (there was one) - illegal (remote sensor dispenser weighing .25 tons) TRO3026, pg. 6; TRO3026R, pg. 11
Marksman 2750 vintage, nonfunctional? (Motive System, Throws tracks at flank speed.) Illegal, (2nd targeting computer, used to direct fire artillery) Illega? (Art wise the turret has a restricted firing arc and can’t fire to the left side of the front arc.) TRO:2750, pg. 108; TRO:3050R, pg. 212; TRO:3050U, pg. 172
Magi Illegal, (3 independent target acquisition computers. Can engage 3 targets simultaneously with one gunner. It normally has three.) Illegal? Nonfunctional? (Armor, Abrupt maneuvers cause cracks.) missing? (Side lasers appear to be in sponsons) TRO:2750, pg. 110; TRO:3050R, pg. 214;TRO:3050U, pg. 274
Shrek PPC Carrier Illegal (weapon, Magnetic lenses at the muzzle allow the PPCs to fire beyond the limits of the turret’s current facing.) TRO:3026 page, 74, TRO: 3026R page 78, TRO:3039 page 90
Burke Illegal/No Rules (When all 3 PPCs hit at the same instant they can overload a Mech’s computer or jam communications or targeting data temporarily. Does that happen for all PPC hits or only those from Chalker Model 25 Patical Cannons? What about other units that are hit with 3 PPCs at the same time? SLDF Mechs carry dampers to channel out such power bursts but member stats mechs don’t. It almost sounds like the Centurian weapon system was mounted but that one effects mech’s heat levels.) Illegal (Targeting System, when working with the LRM Launcher, the Scope 30 RNDST accounts for trajectory, ECM, and atmospheric conditions. ) TRO2750, pg. 112; TRO3050R, pg. 216; TRO3050U, pg. 176
Puma PM001-PM005 (possibly others) Illegal? (turret with restricted firing arc, LRM-20s mounted in sponson turrets with 60 degree rotation forwards only. TRO:2750 page 118
Puma PMM001 – poor sealing/nonfunctional (outdated environmental controls. Crews died from gas and radiation. Temperatures of 120 degrees hindered operation. TRO:2750, pg. 118; TRO:3050R, pg. 272,
Puma PMM002 - Fixed above, ammo feed problem (LRM) TRO:2750, pg. 118; TRO:3050R, pg. 272,
Puma PMM003 - Fixed above, illegal (not heat neutral, laser coolant coils altered, no cooling jacket/poor cooling jacket quirks not available) TRO:2750, pg. 118; TRO:3050R, pg. 272,
Puma PM004 no info
Puma unnamed variants illegal (armor pre-introduction Battle Armor. Mounts Prototype Amberstar Weave MK III to reduce the effects of heat and unlucky hits to the turret and track joints. Workable versions would appear on Clan Battle Armor centuries later.) TRO:3050U; pg. 182
Maybe?
Puma II has better sloping armor and more power than a standard Puma and mounts several large lasers and LRM-15s.
Fury Original poor design. (Medium laser mounted on a second turret. Procurement officers considered it unnecessary.) TRO:2750, pg. 114;
Fury (Royal?) Illegal (Pre introduction C3 computer. Nirasaki-400X Command Computer weighs 1.5 tons and adds 1 crew member. No rules available. Was removed to mount a medium laser and .5 tons of armor to make the Fury II sold to houses. ) TRO:3050R pg. 218; TRO:3050U, pg. 178
Aerospace Fighters
Trident Illegal (It has improved sensors but isn’t eligible for the quirk) TRO:2750 pg 58
Spad Illegal (Pre-introduction stealth and reflective armors. The wing shape and special alloy in the wing tips project electronic “echos” that wreck havoc with enemy targeting systems and the Carbondale III plating deflects laser shots after they penetrate the outer skin. Illegal (Turret. The Allied Technologies Model 1 small laser mounted behind the cockpit is fully rotational to fire to the rear at pursuing ships.) TRO:2750 pg 62, TRO:3050U pg 228.
Zero Illegal weapon (The BLW Blow Mark III is a variable powered large laser with 5 levels ranging from disrupting electronics and tracking systems to to cutting through armor.) TRO:2750 pg, TRO:3050U pg 230
Gotha Illegal (pre-introduction reflective armor. Charbondale IV Ferro-Aluminum deflects incoming shots.) Nonfunctional? (Targeting system. The Ringo Plant 88 can generate so much noise that it jams the other sensors blinding itself.
Ironsides Illegal (pre-introduction compact engine), Nonfunctional? (Medium Lasers. The can cause internal explosions when they’re extensively used.) TRO:2750 pg 74, TRO:3050U pg 240
Conventional Fighter
Guardian Fighter no rules (air intake on top reduces radar signature). No rules (Obsolete electronics. Put it at a disadvantage against more advanced units.) TRO3026, pg. 12; TRO3026, pg. 16; TRO3039, pg. 178