(Answered) (Errata) LAM PV Calculation

[Thunder]

There is something extra added to the PV calculations for LAMs.

For example
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4882/pwwka-s-pw-1lam

Given just the stats on the card, the PV should be 26.  So what accounts for the 4 extra points?

[nckestrel]

If you show your calculation I can compare it to what we’ve got.

[Thunder]

Calculations from what is known on that card.

9 Attack damage factor.  3 short, 3 medium, 3 medium again.
.5  size.  1/2

Offensive total is 9.5

2 Movement factor.  (12/2)*.25 = 1.5 +.5 jump.
11 DIR...
6 armor 3*2
3 Structure
Multiplier 1.2
DIR final (6+3)*1.2 = 10.8 Rounds to 11

Defense Total 13

3 Agility bonus  2TMM-1 * Medium damage of 3.

Total 13+9.5+3 = 25.5  Rounds to 26

[nckestrel]

You use the movement rate that gives the highest TMM, that should be the 36”g?

[Thunder]

If you plugged 36g as the movement for the unit, the PV would be 49.  Defense and Agile numbers skyrocket.  More so then is warranted probably since a LAM in airmech mode has a +2 to hit modifier applied to it's attacks.

I think I narrowed it down to the Wige Movement is being added to the ground and jump movement increasing the movement factor portion of PV calculations.  (I kept trying to add in the thrust, or use only the Wige movement for movement factor, causing me to miss it.)  That being said, can you confirm this theory, and add errata including that step?


Hmmm,  What is the TMM of a LAM using airmech mode?  Using AS:CE logic it would be the units normal TMM 2+1 for being airborne.  Using AS and AS:C logic it would be based on the units current movement (36 in this case)  And be 5+1.

[nckestrel]

Let's see.

Our spreadsheet as 9.5 as the offensive. So we're good there.
It's got 17.5 as the defensive.
DIR is 11.

Ah, the WIGE does look like it's only used for the move cost, but not TMM (because of the to-hit penalty).

Yep, it's got 6.5 as the move cost, and is using the 36" there. (36" /2" *.25) +0.5 for jump.
Yeah, will ping Xotl about errata specifying that for LAMs.

[Thunder]

(12/2 + 36/2)*.25  + .5 = 6.5

[Xotl]

Referring to my notes for the LAM PV, it's:

Movement: calculate move cost as normal.  For example, a Phoenix Hawk LAM (10”j/30”g) would use its highest move rate to calculate its move cost – in this case, its 30” AirMech move rate – so 30/8 = 3.75, and then adding 0.5 points for jump capability (total move cost: 4.25 points).  Then add the normal Thrust charge per p. 144 (with errata).

For the Pwwka, we'd have:
Move 36/6a
36/8 = 4.5
Jump Capability = 0.5
Aero Thrust = 1.5

DIR is 11, as calculated earlier, and we have an Agility bonus of 3 right now.

Based on my notes, it's supposed to have the defense bonus from being a WiGE (another +1).  Its own attack penalty should only affect its guns, not its defense: I tried to avoid counterintuitive hodgepodges like that.  At the same time, both the defense and attack penalties are based on specific modes.  It's being charged under the assumption that it's always flying around, but getting no offense discount for such.

I'm not sure how to account for the attack penalty.  It appears as if it was ignored.

The matter of defense depends on what changes ASCE introduced: as Thunder asked, what's its TMM supposed to be in Airmech mode?