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« on: 14 April 2018, 09:44:13 »
OK School Holidays in my part of the World so for a few days I've bean stuck with the Munchkins. with them swapping the same Flu back and forth and the Internet down at their fathers Uncle DB is hosting them at either his place or the Grandparents, with one or both of them Ill and their X-Box at their Dads and PS? at their mums I'm stuck finding them something to do, being outside and active is limited I've had them watching mid 80's to mid 90's Toons, Mask, Centurions Exo-Squad, Transformers, He-Man ect. almost all of them are fairly Bad (I'm ready for the Torches & Pitchforks) including GI Joe.

At night I'd watch ep's of the B-Tech Toon for myself and comparatively it isn't that bad, in fact compared to the worst of the lot it's practically a Bruckhimer & Cameron  co-production of Shakespeare.

Time, Context and a Comparative Baseline have almost restored my opinion of the show to where it was when I first saw it on Cartoon Connection back in '93.

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« Reply #1 on: 14 April 2018, 10:18:47 »
It was a neat in universe propaganda way to showcase the clan war.

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« Reply #2 on: 14 April 2018, 10:43:38 »
Gawd Centurions...

Objectively it might be said that Battletech, if not the cartoon, is better than most of those franchises simply by dint of survival and indeed revival if the upcoming games might be considered as such... how much that rubs off on the cartoon, well...

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« Reply #3 on: 14 April 2018, 10:50:41 »
When compared against the worst of that era, it isn't that bad. I'd rather watch it than watch the TMNT cartoon, that's for sure.

But when compared to the BEST of that era - Darkwing Duck, Talespin, Gargoyles, Starship Troopers, Animaniacs, Tiny Toon Adventures, Ren & Stimpy, Reboot, Powerpuff Girls, Batman TAS, and I'm told Transformers Beast Wars - it really doesn't hold up. There were good cartoons in the '90s, but there was still a lot of He-Man style garbage too.

A cartoon that's held up better than I thought was Thundarr the Barbarian. THAT'S something I'd want to see remade, without the lame 80s rules of "A guy can't hit anything with his sword". Postapocalyptic magical high science? It makes me want to run a D&D campaign where I gradually reveal the shape of their world, with ancient runs in familiar places, and wait to see how long it takes the players to realize what's going on.

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« Reply #4 on: 14 April 2018, 10:59:51 »
A cartoon that's held up better than I thought was Thundarr the Barbarian. THAT'S something I'd want to see remade, without the lame 80s rules of "A guy can't hit anything with his sword". Postapocalyptic magical high science? It makes me want to run a D&D campaign where I gradually reveal the shape of their world, with ancient runs in familiar places, and wait to see how long it takes the players to realize what's going on.

Numenera has that sort of thing in spades. One of my favorite gaming settings, even if the actual rules are a little unconventional. Definitely has that '70s SF sort of vibe which I love.

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« Reply #5 on: 14 April 2018, 11:09:06 »
Numenera has that sort of thing in spades. One of my favorite gaming settings, even if the actual rules are a little unconventional. Definitely has that '70s SF sort of vibe which I love.

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« Reply #6 on: 14 April 2018, 11:43:38 »
But when compared to the BEST of that era - Darkwing Duck, Talespin, Gargoyles, Starship Troopers, Animaniacs, Tiny Toon Adventures, Ren & Stimpy, Reboot, Powerpuff Girls, Batman TAS, and I'm told Transformers Beast Wars - it really doesn't hold up.
How can you possibly forget X-MEN... but careful. Nostalgia is rose tinted. I tried rewatching Police Academy the other day, cringed at my younger self.

Looking at these other titles, it seems now that Battletech TAS was far too 80s to fight the likes of the early-mid 90s lineup. I mean, when instinctively one compares BT TAS with Centurions, GI Joe, Thundercats, Dinoriders... you know its dated...

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« Reply #7 on: 14 April 2018, 12:25:32 »
One of the things that hurt Battletech was Battletech...  We all knew what a Thor or an Axman is carrying. We all know which mech is used by which nation or clan. We all know how heat management works.

That put the writers between a rock and a hard place.  They couldn't spend 6 solid minutes showing two mechs tear each other to pieces.  On the other hand, if they glossed over something, we would all start throwing things at the TV.

The CG stuff... Looking at what came out +/-2 years of Battletech, the technology to do a lot better was there.  I just don't think they had the budget for it.  The other thing they were lacking was a good director. If you can get your hands on it, listen to the director commentary for Predator, when the team is attacking the camp.  John McTiernan laments about the difference in shooting style between scenes he directed versus the 2nd unit director.  McTiernan made heavy use of tracking shots, dolly shots, angles, foreground clutter, and some other stuff.  The 2nd director used static shots almost exclusively.  It was faster, it was cheaper, and it looked like an episode of the A-Team.

My point is if they had the money or luck to get a better director, I think the CG stuff could have come out looking much cooler.

Another point against the CG is that it really limited their choice of mechs.  It's a lot easier to flip through a TRO and decide to add a Kintaro to this week's episode in hand drawn animation than it is in CG. There are just sooo many options that it could have made identifying factions and characters a lot easier.   We see this later on in the Strikers.  Steiner has is tiger stripe Axman, Hawkins has his Mauler, Rider has his Bushwacker.   Three mechs that are distinctive from any direction.  Between the confusing cuts from exterior to cockpit shots, and a generally similar profile, I still get confused with who's doing what in some of the early battles.
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« Reply #8 on: 14 April 2018, 13:10:37 »
How can you possibly forget X-MEN... but careful. Nostalgia is rose tinted. I tried rewatching Police Academy the other day, cringed at my younger self.

Looking at these other titles, it seems now that Battletech TAS was far too 80s to fight the likes of the early-mid 90s lineup. I mean, when instinctively one compares BT TAS with Centurions, GI Joe, Thundercats, Dinoriders... you know its dated...
I don't let nostalgia blind me; if I can't watch it now without cringing, then it isn't good enough to watch.

That's why X-Men isn't on there - IMHO too much Jubilee doing her worst at being a kid, too much Mr. Sinister (who was the lamest villain EVER, why not just call him Mr. Deathmurderguy?) despite its other decent parts. Same with the TMNT cartoon; man, that thing is AWFUL watching it as a grown man, especially compared to the 2012 remake (if you can accept the CG animation style). Same with Duck Tales or Rescue Rangers - just ain't as good as Talespin or Darkwing Duck, though there are good episodes. I still remember the Coo-Coo Cola cult episode of RR, when I see people going too far for religion I just always think of those mice who worshipped soda.


Dinoriders... I remember wanting those toys SO MUCH AS A KID. Like, enough to tape the cartoon (I refused to wake up before 10 AM on a saturday morning, even for cartoons) but man, were those expensive for the time.

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« Reply #9 on: 14 April 2018, 13:16:41 »
You think the Dinoriders toys were expensive back then, you should see what they go for on eBay now. Which is really funny, because the molds for the actual dinosaurs have been reused for decades now...
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« Reply #10 on: 14 April 2018, 13:27:01 »
my dad complained about how much the Diplodocus cost... that must have been... Christmas '88?

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« Reply #11 on: 14 April 2018, 13:55:39 »
too much Mr. Sinister (who was the lamest villain EVER, why not just call him Mr. Deathmurderguy?)

Off topic, but he was supposed to be a lame villain.  He was originally intended to be a mental projection from a mutant child whose powers prevented him from growing up.  He was a child's concept of a supervillain.  Later writers abandoned that origin before it was fully revealed and replaced it with the immortal Victorian geneticist.

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« Reply #12 on: 14 April 2018, 14:17:52 »
You think the Dinoriders toys were expensive back then, you should see what they go for on eBay now. Which is really funny, because
in hindsight, the cartoon really majorly sucked :D
the immortal Victorian geneticist.
Kieron Gillen hammed Evil Victorian Sinister up OH SO MUCH in the Uncanny X-Men #1 renumber, he was gobbling the scenery...

and to get somewhat back on track - what do you think was the most 80s (dated) and 90s (modern) parts of the cartoon? My personal answer: animation and animation - the hand art and the cringingly bad CGI respectively.
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« Reply #13 on: 14 April 2018, 14:20:38 »
Off topic, but he was supposed to be a lame villain.  He was originally intended to be a mental projection from a mutant child whose powers prevented him from growing up.  He was a child's concept of a supervillain.  Later writers abandoned that origin before it was fully revealed and replaced it with the immortal Victorian geneticist.
Now THAT would have been a decent backstory. Instead, he comes off like an albino Vandal Savage.

and to get somewhat back on track - what would you pitch for a BT cartoon now?
I'd pitch the first three Grey Death Legion books, actually. It has that mix of stupid and awesome that would translate well to cartoons, with a broader storyline. They're not my FAVORITE books, but I think that it would be easiest to turn them into cartoons. Stackpole's books jump around too much, the Wolf Dragoons are an in-universe mystery, and the Kell Hounds is a bunch of rich kids playing merc until things get serious.

Failing that, one of the factions in the MWDA game. Or maybe Snord's Irregulars.

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« Reply #14 on: 14 April 2018, 14:23:11 »
sorry @iamfanboy, changed my mind in case that path leads us too far off-topic...

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« Reply #15 on: 14 April 2018, 14:32:03 »
I'd pitch the first three Grey Death Legion books, actually. It has that mix of stupid and awesome that would translate well to cartoons, with a broader storyline. They're not my FAVORITE books, but I think that it would be easiest to turn them into cartoons. Stackpole's books jump around too much, the Wolf Dragoons are an in-universe mystery, and the Kell Hounds is a bunch of rich kids playing merc until things get serious.

Agreed. You know, I'm really coming around to the idea of "soft reboot" back to 3025... :D

As for what was good and bad, well, I honestly never thought much of the cartoon. In hindsight, of course, it was an utter disaster for FASA and the BattleTech brand.
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« Reply #16 on: 14 April 2018, 14:41:33 »
The Battletech animated series was my introduction to the BTU just prior to MW2. It was airing the same time as Exo-Squad, the difference was very clear in the young eyes of myself and my friends; Exo-Squad had better quality of animation and story. Still, Battletech had CG (which was rare at that time) and while it had a limited number of mechs, they chose great designs original to Battletech but those are it's only redeeming qualities. When the show was killed, my group had already moved on to the table top, novels and Mechwarrior 2, never looking back at that cheese fest.

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« Reply #17 on: 14 April 2018, 14:48:56 »
I only knew about the TV show because I found the 1st Somerset Strikers sourcebook at my FLGS in '97 or thereabouts while going through some other BT stuff

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« Reply #18 on: 14 April 2018, 15:24:05 »
The Battletech animated series was my introduction to the BTU just prior to MW2. It was airing the same time as Exo-Squad, the difference was very clear in the young eyes of myself and my friends; Exo-Squad had better quality of animation and story. Still, Battletech had CG (which was rare at that time) and while it had a limited number of mechs, they chose great designs original to Battletech but those are it's only redeeming qualities. When the show was killed, my group had already moved on to the table top, novels and Mechwarrior 2, never looking back at that cheese fest.

Ah Exosquad now there was a show that got screwed over by the times.  Came out when straight to syndication was going way out of style and then forced off the air by really bad time slots.

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« Reply #19 on: 14 April 2018, 20:21:15 »
I liked the Battletech Cartoon Show. It is what got me into Battletech. It has and still a special part in my life.
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« Reply #20 on: 14 April 2018, 20:32:31 »
Robotech & Transformers kind of triggerd a new era in animation and story telling in the west starting around 1985, there was steady evolution over the next decade, then in '95 both CG and Cell Animation saw a quantum leap in quality and the past decades work on the development of the Art of Storytelling came together to herald the next era of Western Animation.

Season 2 of both Batletech & Exosquad and the proposed relaunch of C.O.P.S. would have bean all kinds of awesome if they had came to pass.

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« Reply #21 on: 14 April 2018, 21:00:38 »
That's kind of a rose-tinted view of things. More accurately, the lifting of restrictions on advertising to children meant that companies could - indeed, had to - raise their production values to get more views, so they could sell more toys. I'm not actually saying that's a bad thing, and I loved my old G.I. Joes and TMNT figures, but it's important to understand that these cartoons were not some kind of guerrilla art.
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« Reply #22 on: 14 April 2018, 21:24:57 »
That's kind of a rose-tinted view of things. More accurately, the lifting of restrictions on advertising to children meant that companies could - indeed, had to - raise their production values to get more views, so they could sell more toys. I'm not actually saying that's a bad thing, and I loved my old G.I. Joes and TMNT figures, but it's important to understand that these cartoons were not some kind of guerrilla art.

As the Transformers Movie showed toy companies did not even know what they had either.  If they knew what they had there is no way they would have killed off Optimus Prime and the other Transformers like they did.  Frankly to most kids that watched it at the time it was quite traumatizing though oddly now it has made it a bit of a cult classic.

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« Reply #23 on: 14 April 2018, 21:40:23 »
The Alchemy of the era, at the start we saw a bump in animation quality with new styles that also dropped production costs allowing the toy adds that where toons to come in to being. a new change in animation came a decade later just as the new regulations where coming in to effect and the Artisans of western animation had a decade of honing their craft, that new Alchemy gave us a new era from around '95.

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« Reply #24 on: 14 April 2018, 21:43:31 »
I'll admit I was on the upper side of the intended age range, but I thought TF: The Movie really worked. But then by that point, IIRC, Optimus had already been killed once at least in the comics published at that time.

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« Reply #25 on: 14 April 2018, 21:51:02 »
But when compared to the BEST of that era - Darkwing Duck, Talespin, Gargoyles, Starship Troopers, Animaniacs, Tiny Toon Adventures, Ren & Stimpy, Reboot, Powerpuff Girls, Batman TAS, and I'm told Transformers Beast Wars - it really doesn't hold up. There were good cartoons in the '90s, but there was still a lot of He-Man style garbage too.
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« Reply #26 on: 14 April 2018, 21:51:40 »
As the Transformers Movie showed toy companies did not even know what they had either.  If they knew what they had there is no way they would have killed off Optimus Prime and the other Transformers like they did.  Frankly to most kids that watched it at the time it was quite traumatizing though oddly now it has made it a bit of a cult classic.

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« Reply #27 on: 14 April 2018, 21:53:39 »
As the Transformers Movie showed toy companies did not even know what they had either.  If they knew what they had there is no way they would have killed off Optimus Prime and the other Transformers like they did.  Frankly to most kids that watched it at the time it was quite traumatizing though oddly now it has made it a bit of a cult classic.

Ha ha ha. They killed those characters very deliberately to make room for all-new toys. They fully knew they were "traumatizing" kids and were counting on it. I've read period articles from the Hasbro executives, and they were very proud of what they'd done.

And that actually brings me to one of the reasons BattleTech (cartoon) failed: poor toys. I know Tyco was rushed, but when you compare their offerings to those of the competition - Exo-Squad - they come off looking even worse. I have a few, and man, they are awful.
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« Reply #28 on: 14 April 2018, 22:04:50 »
the most disappointing element of the transformers movie for me was the horrible underutilization of Eric Idle's Wreck-Gar

Ha ha ha. They killed those characters very deliberately to make room for all-new toys. They fully knew they were "traumatizing" kids and were counting on it. I've read period articles from the Hasbro executives, and they were very proud of what they'd done.

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« Reply #29 on: 14 April 2018, 22:05:35 »
As the Transformers Movie showed toy companies did not even know what they had either.  If they knew what they had there is no way they would have killed off Optimus Prime and the other Transformers like they did.  Frankly to most kids that watched it at the time it was quite traumatizing though oddly now it has made it a bit of a cult classic.
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« Reply #30 on: 14 April 2018, 22:20:12 »
My 5-year-old son loves that movie, and doesn't seem to be that traumatized by it.  Of course, he didn't go through 2-3 years of cartoons and toy enjoyment before seeing him die off, either.  Most of his interaction before seeing it was a few episodes of Prime and Rescue Bots.  Empire Strikes Back doesn't have as much impact if you start the entire Star Wars series in Cloud City.

There were a lot of things bad about the Battletech cartoon, but I can't really look at it objectively as I was chest deep in the game and found the inconsistencies very annoying.
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« Reply #31 on: 15 April 2018, 03:43:34 »
I can't if MW2 or the cartoon was my first introduction to the Battletech universe, but I honestly loved the cartoon, sure its not aged particually well but then again there's a lot of the classic cartoons of our generation (assuming a fair few of us here are from the 80s) like Transformers, or Thunder Cats which have also aged poorly and when looking back were just glitzy adverts.  I watched the Thundercats recently and I forgot that Lion-o didn't have an Indoors voice and basically yelled nearly every line to the point that it was irritating as all hell.

Whilst the B-tech cartoon was very very much a child of the 90s and it shows with things like YO DAWG! HEARD YO LIKED RIPPED JEANS/CLOTHING SO I PUT RIPPED JEANS/CLOTHING WITH YOUR RIPPED JEANS/CLOTHING!!! and the animated parts have aged rather poorly in places, but at the time the CGI was VERY good, far better than Transformers CGI or reboot and I LOVE the sounds they used.  One has to wonder what they could do today if there was support for a new Battletech cartoon.
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« Reply #32 on: 15 April 2018, 03:49:25 »
As a youngling I did like both the Exo Squad and Battletech. I was always trying figure out who would win in a fight between the both.
I do remeber the ExoSquad had some of the old Robotech Macross units as Toys for sale.
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« Reply #33 on: 15 April 2018, 03:58:44 »
As the Transformers Movie showed toy companies did not even know what they had either.  If they knew what they had there is no way they would have killed off Optimus Prime and the other Transformers like they did.  Frankly to most kids that watched it at the time it was quite traumatizing though oddly now it has made it a bit of a cult classic.
Actually I think that the movie has aged quite well, in part of having actual causalities. 
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« Reply #34 on: 15 April 2018, 04:07:49 »
Oh the TF Movie has aged remarkably well mainly due to the sheer quality of its animation and art which is as good as anything like say Akira or something in terms of visual quality. Sure it basically was a big advert, but wow, what an advert and it gave kids trauma too!  Then again us 80's kids were given a fair bit of that on TV. Optimus Prime's death, your parents inadvertently buying Watership down for you etc etc.
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« Reply #35 on: 15 April 2018, 10:25:52 »
Thus, my comments on how the cartoon was ultimately a disaster for FASA.
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« Reply #36 on: 15 April 2018, 10:50:07 »
Thus, my comments on how the cartoon was ultimately a disaster for FASA.
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« Reply #37 on: 15 April 2018, 11:26:28 »
My favorite as a kid was Jayce and The Wheeled Warriors!! 😂 I had ALL the toys!! I refuse to watch it ever again. I don't want my childhood memories violated and destroyed by an adult appreciation of things like, plot, art quality, voice acting, etc... 🤣
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« Reply #38 on: 15 April 2018, 12:08:57 »
If it were done in today's environment, I think they would have to compete with shows like Star Wars Rebels and the like. Plus I think that if they made the Battletech Cartoon in this day and age it would be all CGI, so the battles would definitely be more intense. But on the other hand, because the Btech franchise isn't as BIG as Star Wars in terms of popularity, they would need some way to advertise it in a way that would get more people to watch it. After all, the big reason why shows like Rebels and Clone Wars were so successful was because they had a bigger fanbase in terms of popularity of source material. If Battletech got another show, I think they would have to make it for a more...mature audience since the original cartoon was more or less meant for kids of that kind of mind set at the time.

After all, it was the cartoon that got me into Battletech in the first place, not the tabletop game, not the MechWarrior games, not even the books. It was the cartoon and the toys that came with it that got me into it. At the time, I had no idea that it was just the tip of a much bigger iceberg than what I already knew. Which is why I think that Battletech deserves another shot at either the small screen or the big screen. But if done RIGHT, as in getting a better budget, better story, better writers, better director, I think a Battletech movie or TV show would be a big hit. Given the technology we have today, I'd say the time is right for a new Battletech show or movie.

But again, the problem is advertising. What we need to do is advertise a Battletech movie or show in a way that will get people interested and WANT to see it. We can't say stuff like, "It's like Game of Thrones, in space" or "Star Wars has NOTHING on this!" It has to be unique in a way that will get people to want to watch it.

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« Reply #39 on: 15 April 2018, 12:39:50 »
But again, the problem is advertising. What we need to do is advertise a Battletech movie or show in a way that will get people interested and WANT to see it. We can't say stuff like, "It's like Game of Thrones, in space" or "Star Wars has NOTHING on this!" It has to be unique in a way that will get people to want to watch it.
i think that angle would have to be:

"A BattleMech is a modern knight's steed and armor, rolled into one."

Frankly, that IS the most unique, visceral thing to Battletech. If I were to write an entirely new story, it would be the main character inheriting his father's 'Mech and barony just a bit too young, with a great deal of pomp and ceremony as he first climbs in and activates it.

Play up the combination of high technology and feudal government. Maybe have the overarching storyline be that yes, MC has to worry about bandit raids at first, but the REAL enemy is his duke, who is scheming to put one of his favored underlings in the MC's barony. So he calls the MC's unit up and sends them on a certain-death mission, a planetary invasion, which he then somehow wins, foiling the badguy duke and calling attention to himself from the overlord.

I might even want to set it in the post-Jihad Free Worlds League, as that has a lot of options for politicking and combat, both within and without the once-FWL worlds.

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« Reply #40 on: 15 April 2018, 12:50:02 »
I might even want to set it in the post-Jihad Free Worlds League, as that has a lot of options for politicking and combat, both within and without the once-FWL worlds.

or even in the 3100s post-reunification before the Regulans are back in and the Wolf-Steiner alliance is steamrolling everybody

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« Reply #41 on: 15 April 2018, 13:31:18 »
My favorite as a kid was Jayce and The Wheeled Warriors!! 😂 I had ALL the toys!! I refuse to watch it ever again. I don't want my childhood memories violated and destroyed by an adult appreciation of things like, plot, art quality, voice acting, etc... 🤣
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« Reply #42 on: 15 April 2018, 13:54:04 »
It was one of the greatest cartoon ever!

FASA should have gone to WB/DC and let Paul/Dini make this cartoon...It would have been a Masterpiece.

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« Reply #43 on: 15 April 2018, 14:57:10 »
And that actually brings me to one of the reasons BattleTech (cartoon) failed: poor toys. I know Tyco was rushed, but when you compare their offerings to those of the competition - Exo-Squad - they come off looking even worse. I have a few, and man, they are awful.

Not only that, they were expensive.  I remember seeing them on store shelves as a kid and thinking about just how much more they cost than other action figure lines that were available (which also tended to have much more variety).
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« Reply #44 on: 15 April 2018, 17:02:40 »
The 'information is ammunition' line always pissed me off. Information is a metaphorical leaver, and means jack if you don't have the force to capitalize on the leaver.

Probably says something about my state of mind at the time

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« Reply #45 on: 15 April 2018, 17:18:18 »
I second the call for animated Grey Death. The fact that it's not at the current end of the timeline is, IMHO, a feature and not a flaw.

Agreed.  If Grey Death goes well, you can scoot along to a different group in an off-shoot, like the Kell Hounds which were rather successful well after the Clans, then do a Rebels-style time skip through Jihad events to go in to the Dark Ages if you wanted.
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« Reply #46 on: 15 April 2018, 19:33:15 »
I wouldn't mind seeing another take at a animated BT story but I don't see it in the cards. People have pitched BT media in the past and it hasn't went anywhere and fan projects don't get allot of criticism from fellow fans.   
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« Reply #47 on: 16 April 2018, 00:15:17 »
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« Reply #48 on: 16 April 2018, 00:38:17 »
I wouldn't mind seeing another take at a animated BT story but I don't see it in the cards. People have pitched BT media in the past and it hasn't went anywhere and fan projects don't get allot of criticism from fellow fans.   

doesn't help that the last fan project got quashed by topps.

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« Reply #49 on: 16 April 2018, 07:05:07 »
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« Reply #50 on: 16 April 2018, 07:16:46 »
One thing I've always had stuck with me was the movement noises of the Mech's, thats how I kind of imagine them sounding, whilst autocannon sounds are CLEARLY from the original Mechwarrior Mercinaries, which had the best AC sounds *nods*
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« Reply #51 on: 16 April 2018, 10:49:35 »
I've always kind of wondered about a return of the Battletech animated series, either a direct continuation or a spiritual successor.  However, as has already been noted, it seems there a number of difficulties to overcome for such a thing to happen, primarily getting enough interest outside of the Battletech community itself and ironing out issues of distribution and such.  When I initially saw that fan trailer for a fan made animated series I actually had the thought at the time that maybe the way for Catalyst and Topps to go forward with an actual animated project would be to do so in the form of a webtoon, similar to what Rooster Teeth has done with their various animated series.  It would be an interesting path for them to take, but it would still require them to put together or contract an animation studio which they probably wouldn;t do unless they saw a large enough desire from not just fans but those outside the fan community.

There's always hope that Netflix may one day call up and say, "Hey, remember that old cartoon from the 90's?  We'd like to stream that."

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« Reply #52 on: 16 April 2018, 11:17:39 »
It's a hard sell considering the PC games have given the BTU more exposure than the cartoon. Add the fact Saturday morning cartoons are a thing of the past, putting money on a new animated series in a niche market vs back into a game might not be worth while.   
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« Reply #53 on: 16 April 2018, 11:38:23 »
It's a hard sell considering the PC games have given the BTU more exposure than the cartoon. Add the fact Saturday morning cartoons are a thing of the past, putting money on a new animated series in a niche market vs back into a game might not be worth while.   
Netflix Original or similar could be a route for BT/MW series. More likely it would lead to a live action but still. Rights might be problematic though? And pitch would have to be very, very convincing.

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« Reply #54 on: 16 April 2018, 12:06:31 »
While thoughts of a new BT animated series are a good thing, I think something else needs to be cleared up first: Who, if anyone, may have the rights to the original BT series and if those rights are exclusive for any animated works going forward? Considering how muddled everything is with the IP as a whole, having a clear understanding of that, I would think, would be important. Maybe it isn't worth either Toops or MS's time/money to iron out.

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« Reply #55 on: 16 April 2018, 12:18:51 »
Walt Disney would at least have the rights to the original show - they bought Saban, which produced the Animated Series.  Unless FASA had some special clause about the rights, they'd have stayed with Saban up until the point that Disney bought them in 2002.  Saban International Paris, the studio that made the show, was shuttered in 2008. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saban_Entertainment)
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« Reply #56 on: 16 April 2018, 15:58:54 »
Walt Disney would at least have the rights to the original show - they bought Saban, which produced the Animated Series.  Unless FASA had some special clause about the rights, they'd have stayed with Saban up until the point that Disney bought them in 2002.  Saban International Paris, the studio that made the show, was shuttered in 2008. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saban_Entertainment)
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« Reply #57 on: 16 April 2018, 16:40:58 »
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« Reply #58 on: 16 April 2018, 16:49:59 »
Walt Disney would at least have the rights to the original show - they bought Saban, which produced the Animated Series.  Unless FASA had some special clause about the rights, they'd have stayed with Saban up until the point that Disney bought them in 2002.  Saban International Paris, the studio that made the show, was shuttered in 2008. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saban_Entertainment)

I am not sure if that is still the case.  I do know for instance that Saban has bought back the rights to Power Rangers so the past 3 or 4 seasons I think have been Saban and NOT Disney.  There was a sale long ago but  Saban does not appear to be part of Disney any longer (or never was and only sold their content I am not an expert on this). 

Though in this case it may not make a difference since even if Saban is not part of Disney and bought back Power Rangers it does not mean they bought back other shows such as BT (heck I did nto know it was a Saban show since it does not fit his typical MO).

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« Reply #59 on: 16 April 2018, 17:01:41 »
Ha ha ha. They killed those characters very deliberately to make room for all-new toys. They fully knew they were "traumatizing" kids and were counting on it. I've read period articles from the Hasbro executives, and they were very proud of what they'd done.

And that actually brings me to one of the reasons BattleTech (cartoon) failed: poor toys. I know Tyco was rushed, but when you compare their offerings to those of the competition - Exo-Squad - they come off looking even worse. I have a few, and man, they are awful.

Yes they did kill them on purpose to sell new toys but from the interviews I have seen and the articles I read the executives did not expect such a reaction from the children watching and disregard the warnings of the Transformer writers and the director that said it would be a mistake.  I certainly trust their version of the events especially if you remember that in later cuts of the movie used when split up for TV it makes certain to let you know that Optimus Prime would come back and they also did that in a future episodes of the show later because of how poorly it went over at the time.  Hasbro received a huge letter campaign about it and felt like they had to make those changes to salvage the situation.  The original cut of the movie lacked that disclaimer and that was due to them not expecting the backlash.  They did not think the characters meant anything at all so it would be easy to eliminate them and give out new ones.

I will say that I agree with the others that the deaths and animation do make the movie more memorable and I also really like the movie being an old Transformers fan but from what I had seen from interviews for some of the head writers and the director of the movie I really think that things did not go over as intended with Hasbro.

I actually did not mind the toys as I thought they looked decent an they almost fit in with the Exo Squad toys but I will say that the reason they do not compare as well is more due to how great the exo squad toys were rather than how poor the Battletech toys were (also Battletech sadly got stuck with some very 90s toy colors just like Gen 2 Transformers did and that is too bad).

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« Reply #60 on: 16 April 2018, 19:33:01 »
like I said in the Podcast... the Battletech Cartoon was my entry point into the IP so I will always have some rose tinted glasses when it comes to it.

it really typifies the 90's tie in  cartoon series for better or for worse, moderate animation quality, narrative writing that verges on excuse plot, but some golden moments of characterization.  the sound design and theme song were fantastic though.

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« Reply #61 on: 16 April 2018, 19:39:21 »
OK my thoughts on the cartoon.
Bad voice acting
Boring story-lines
The unit in the show (1st Somerset Strikers) was less then interesting.
The main villain and his lackeys where poorly written.
Poor CG for even the time.
It was a repository for bad ideas later added to battletech(EI, Infiltrator, Sloth, Banshee ASF, Tactical operations center)
Overall the show was and is cringe-worth to watch then and now.

Finally IMHO the show should have been set in 3025 or around the 4th successor wars.
Lets face it this is where most players that get into battletech are going to come in.
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« Reply #62 on: 16 April 2018, 19:57:07 »
Setting it during the Clan Invasion actually did make sense, since that tied it in with what was current for Battletech at the time.  People who saw the cartoon and decided to try getting into the series would have found it easy to get material on what was happening rather than having to try and find out-of-print sourcebooks.
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« Reply #63 on: 16 April 2018, 21:12:56 »
Just my two cents about the change in Transformers while we're on the subject.

To me the worst thing about the Transformers movie and aftermath was how they changed Megatron,  brilliant,  ruthless, cold blooded,  merciless,  but a great leader to Galvatron who was constantly a borderline mental case.

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« Reply #64 on: 16 April 2018, 21:31:14 »
Just my two cents about the change in Transformers while we're on the subject.

To me the worst thing about the Transformers movie and aftermath was how they changed Megatron,  brilliant,  ruthless, cold blooded,  merciless,  but a great leader to Galvatron who was constantly a borderline mental case.

The funny thing about that is when I was a kid I missed why he is like that because in the movie he is not really like that.  I missed that in "Five Faces of Darkness" (the first set of episodes after the movie aka season 3) Galvatron has sparks going on around his head and after that point he acts like that.  His insanity was due to some combo of falling damage, the plasma bath, or perhaps the destruction of Unicron since he was directly controlled by him (in the movie Galvatron is the only one that talks in his head to Unicron and the only one to feel pain when being influenced).

I agree though that I prefer Megatron over Galvatron in personality and design.

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« Reply #65 on: 16 April 2018, 21:53:38 »
The funny thing about that is when I was a kid I missed why he is like that because in the movie he is not really like that.  I missed that in "Five Faces of Darkness" (the first set of episodes after the movie aka season 3) Galvatron has sparks going on around his head and after that point he acts like that.  His insanity was due to some combo of falling damage, the plasma bath, or perhaps the destruction of Unicron since he was directly controlled by him (in the movie Galvatron is the only one that talks in his head to Unicron and the only one to feel pain when being influenced).

I agree though that I prefer Megatron over Galvatron in personality and design.

Near constant torture has a way of breaking a person's mind, too.

So, torture, check.  Cranial damage (he flew threw Unicron's skin head first), check.  The unit which allowed Unicron to directly communicate and torture him fried in an overload when Unicron blew, check.

It's more a wonder he was able to walk straight.
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« Reply #66 on: 16 April 2018, 23:11:28 »
There weren't any onscreen deaths in the BT cartoon right?

To me the worst thing about the Transformers movie and aftermath was how they changed Megatron,  brilliant,  ruthless, cold blooded,  merciless,  but a great leader to Galvatron who was constantly a borderline mental case.
Nearly dying twice in the course of 1 movie does that to you.

The dialogue in the transformation scene though... amazing stuff.

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« Reply #67 on: 16 April 2018, 23:17:39 »
There weren't any onscreen deaths in the BT cartoon right?

Not from any named characters, anyway.
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« Reply #68 on: 17 April 2018, 03:50:45 »
I wanna see a modern animated series set in 3025 +/_ about a unit of Wolf's Dragoons. Just so the show can have periodic cameos of Natasha Kerensky and her Black Widow company. 😁
It would have everything needed to sell a modern cartoon: giantrobots, explosions, cool uniforms, deep story, and sex appeal.
AND being the Dragoons, the story could easily advance through the era's of Battletech , since the Dragoons have been at the center of it all.
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« Reply #69 on: 17 April 2018, 05:29:06 »
Setting it during the Clan Invasion actually did make sense, since that tied it in with what was current for Battletech at the time.  People who saw the cartoon and decided to try getting into the series would have found it easy to get material on what was happening rather than having to try and find out-of-print sourcebooks.
Not only that but the setup was a simple good guys vs bad guys and the good guys where the preexisting factions in BT, you'd need either the Jihad or some other scale bad guy to make a new cartoon work.

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« Reply #70 on: 17 April 2018, 07:11:36 »
Not only that but the setup was a simple good guys vs bad guys and the good guys where the preexisting factions in BT, you'd need either the Jihad or some other scale bad guy to make a new cartoon work.

This is a misconception of modern film/TV that you have to have some galaxies spanning bad guy for a story to be good.
Now to the preexisting factions thing this is another issues as the 1st Somerset Strikers, and the Falcon's Claw where both new units that had not existed before the show.
They where added later to the bring the cartoon into the main story.

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« Reply #71 on: 17 April 2018, 07:17:10 »
Victor, it was a show for kids. I was 10 when I saw it. You can use nuance, but you aren't going to get far making it overly complex for a Saturday morning block.

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« Reply #72 on: 17 April 2018, 07:33:38 »
Victor, it was a show for kids. I was 10 when I saw it. You can use nuance, but you aren't going to get far making it overly complex for a Saturday morning block.

I was in highschool at the time this came out, so I don't have the nostalgia goggles for this show that some have.
I also remember the fan-base being upset that instead of the live action movie we wanted, we got this.
This like all cartoons of the time was just to sell a line of cheaply made expensive toys.
But as a cartoon, why they tried to go after a demographic that did not play the game and most likely where not going to get into the game at there age.
Add to this that by the time this show came out anime was already on the rise in the U.S. and would have been a better vehicle for the show and to hit the demographic that actually play the game.
So as I said this had nothing to do with Battletech fans and was about sell toys to young kids.

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« Reply #73 on: 17 April 2018, 07:47:15 »
Mercenary Mad Max Mechs caught up in inter-House border intrigue is the best way to introduce people to the universe I think. Probably adapt the GDL story. The progression from there to the Helm Core rediscovery is natural.

Then on to the Clan invasion, Comstar Schism and finale in the fires of the Jihad.
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« Reply #74 on: 17 April 2018, 08:34:52 »
Or they could got the Exo-Squad route - open with a few episodes introducing Richard Cameron, Stefan Amaris, and Aleksandr Kerensky as the Periphery Uprising starts up, then kick things into high gear on Christmas Day, 2766.  Gives you the chance to do fleet actions along with 'Mech battles, with a clear Good Guy/Bad Guy dichotomy.  (Heck - for fun, you could have the Lion Hearts as the POV unit, led by a maniac and always thrown in where the action is hottest...then time travel them to the 3050s for a second series.)
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« Reply #75 on: 17 April 2018, 10:40:35 »
Victor, it was a show for kids. I was 10 when I saw it. You can use nuance, but you aren't going to get far making it overly complex for a Saturday morning block.

Well, you can, and some shows did, but the Battletech cartoon wasn't going for that, it was going for the simplistic route because that was easier.

I was in highschool at the time this came out, so I don't have the nostalgia goggles for this show that some have.
I also remember the fan-base being upset that instead of the live action movie we wanted, we got this.
This like all cartoons of the time was just to sell a line of cheaply made expensive toys.
But as a cartoon, why they tried to go after a demographic that did not play the game and most likely where not going to get into the game at there age.
Add to this that by the time this show came out anime was already on the rise in the U.S. and would have been a better vehicle for the show and to hit the demographic that actually play the game.
So as I said this had nothing to do with Battletech fans and was about sell toys to young kids.

Anime was barely becoming mainstream when the Battletech cartoon came out.  The majority of got imported to the US in the 90s was either kids' shows or hentai.  Do you really want a Battletech anime that had been imported to the US by 4Kids Entertainment?  If you thought what we got was bad...
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« Reply #76 on: 17 April 2018, 10:57:58 »
Anime was barely becoming mainstream when the Battletech cartoon came out.  The majority of got imported to the US in the 90s was either kids' shows or hentai.  Do you really want a Battletech anime that had been imported to the US by 4Kids Entertainment?  If you thought what we got was bad...

The Dragonball series, Sailor Moon, Robotech, and Gundam series were all anime favorites that played on both Saturday Morning and Cartoon Network (depending on the time), and they REALLY aren't that much of what would classify as a "kid's" show.  Seriously, there were huge bloodbaths in every single one of those series and some even had to be completely rewritten from a direct translation to avoid other taboo topics at the time.

As for modern tv shows, Star Wars Clone Wars had a very interesting back plot to things which sometimes makes me think some of the clones should have asked each other, "Are we the baddies?"  However, that is a one off.  Unless it is totally vulgar or anime, most modern American cartoons trend to the overly educative route.  Oddly enough, that nearly required educative route helped encourage the anime surge.
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« Reply #77 on: 17 April 2018, 11:38:47 »
The Dragonball series, Sailor Moon, Robotech, and Gundam series were all anime favorites that played on both Saturday Morning and Cartoon Network (depending on the time), and they REALLY aren't that much of what would classify as a "kid's" show.  Seriously, there were huge bloodbaths in every single one of those series and some even had to be completely rewritten from a direct translation to avoid other taboo topics at the time.

When Dragonball and Sailor Moon were first broadcast in the US, they were heavily edited to make them kid friendly.  That's the point.  A hypothetical Battletech anime would have likely received similar treatment, which would not have been an improvement over what we were given.
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« Reply #78 on: 17 April 2018, 21:06:47 »
When Dragonball and Sailor Moon were first broadcast in the US, they were heavily edited to make them kid friendly.  That's the point.  A hypothetical Battletech anime would have likely received similar treatment, which would not have been an improvement over what we were given.

Yeah, the country wasn't quite ready for Archer or South Park at that time, much less a direct translation of any of those series.  The most risque cartoon even close to that time was the Simpsons, and that one is rather mild.  By the time Battletech came out, though, there was ExoSquad, and that one actually better reflected what the Inner Sphere was like far more than the titular show was.
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« Reply #79 on: 17 April 2018, 23:11:12 »
When Dragonball and Sailor Moon were first broadcast in the US, they were heavily edited to make them kid friendly.  That's the point.  A hypothetical Battletech anime would have likely received similar treatment, which would not have been an improvement over what we were given.

robotech as well.. they removed all the blood and cut scenes that showed the aftereffects of being hit by gunfire close up (the zent pilot being ripped apart by rick's VF-1D emptying a full GU-11 magazine into it was cut for example, leaving just a closeup of him firing and then a cut to the zent pilot face down dead in the distance. and Roy fokker's blood was removed from his cockpit and uniform, etc) you still had battle scenes where mecha got blown up and such, but by the ratings system at the time watching vehicles blow up was not as bad as seeing a person get killed directly. even if those vehicles were piloted types.


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« Reply #80 on: 18 April 2018, 00:33:15 »
I loved the cartoon. I would get so worked up in anticipation that I would always wake up 30-60 minutes early and have to sit through whatever lesser offerings were on before BattleTech. My parents and siblings all knew the characters, storyline, what happened on today's episode, etc because I wouldn't shut up about it. 23 years later and I've spent Oh my God levels of money in the name of the fandom of the franchise that was first presented to me on those early Saturday mornings. Rewatching now, there is some rose-tinting that goes on, and that tinting has faded in a couple spots, but damn me if I don't still get goosebumps when I hear "This is the Inner Sphere..."
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« Reply #81 on: 18 April 2018, 04:27:21 »
This is a misconception of modern film/TV that you have to have some galaxies spanning bad guy for a story to be good.
Now to the preexisting factions thing this is another issues as the 1st Somerset Strikers, and the Falcon's Claw where both new units that had not existed before the show.
They where added later to the bring the cartoon into the main story.
The problem is that if you make the show about, say, the 3022 liberation of Galtor III you the FedSuns in the role of the good guys, the DC as the bad guys, and more or less ignore the other factions. Hope you don't have any problems with your favorite faction being ignored in any future cartoon, or cast as the bad guys.

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« Reply #82 on: 18 April 2018, 07:33:17 »
As much as I would love a Battletech type something on a tv or internet or some type of mass media. I don't want it to happen to it, I don't want to spend most of the time trashing it and complain on how bad it is. Maybe something good would come out of it.

I say this from experience for example Star Trek Discovery. Same reaction to it.
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« Reply #83 on: 19 April 2018, 00:05:02 »
Oh.

My.

God.

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It all makes sense now!

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« Reply #84 on: 19 April 2018, 13:17:32 »
Nicholas Kerensky is the true Disney Princess of Battletech. How else do you think he got all those critters to show up and get Clans named after them?
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« Reply #85 on: 20 April 2018, 00:38:25 »
When the cartoon came out I was 22 and had been playing Battlefield for 7 years already. I was hopeful it would be good but was sadly disappointed. The 2 year old and 4 year old I was a nanny for loved the show however.
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« Reply #86 on: 20 April 2018, 11:32:09 »
When the cartoon came out I was 22 and had been playing Battlefield for 7 years already. I was hopeful it would be good but was sadly disappointed. The 2 year old and 4 year old I was a nanny for loved the show however.

I guess the question would then be are the 2 year old and 4 year old playing battletech now.
And if so was it the show that brought about this intrest.
The thing is shows of that era were meant to get kid into the IP that the show was about and/or sell toys.
So if it failed to do that for battletech and from what I heard failed to make a dent in the toy marked, then the show failed.

As you and I have said, it seem that it did not resonate with the demographic that played the game so what did it accomplish.



 

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« Reply #87 on: 20 April 2018, 11:55:43 »
I guess the question would then be are the 2 year old and 4 year old playing battletech now.
And if so was it the show that brought about this intrest.
The thing is shows of that era were meant to get kid into the IP that the show was about and/or sell toys.
So if it failed to do that for battletech and from what I heard failed to make a dent in the toy marked, then the show failed.

As you and I have said, it seem that it did not resonate with the demographic that played the game so what did it accomplish.

As far as I know they don't, even though their parents both played.
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« Reply #88 on: 20 April 2018, 12:41:13 »
Yeah, the new Battletech strategy game will do more for the franchise than a new cartoon.

Also, the fact so many are talking about Transformers and 4Kids tells me allot of people are stuck in the past. Saturday morning cartoons are dead, a new animated series would ether be more mature aimed at the existing fan base in lieu of something live action (and the demand for that is not big enough) or to market existing franchise (something many game franchises don't need nor ask for)   
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« Reply #89 on: 21 April 2018, 07:36:31 »
Saturday Morning may be dead but what about the "Holiday Time Wasters" that run in the 4pm-5:30pm weekdays and most of the day during actual holidays.

Imagine an aged up Famous Five or a Scooby gang type group banging about on some unnamed frouniter world, solving local mysteries and looking for a supposed lostech cache. turns out many of the bad guys where scouting and later sabotaging for an upcoming Pirate Raid. season end cliffhanger can have the gang in hiding as the pirates look for loot and the melding kids that sent their plans astray and may know where a lostech sight may be. most of the Mech action will be Industrial Mechs till the end of season 1.

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« Reply #90 on: 21 April 2018, 16:12:16 »
I even still have the 1st Somerset Strikers Sourcebook. I think it was one of my first Battletech books I owned.
I started to like the Timberwolf/Mad Cat because of that show. It was also not butchered with a Toy.
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« Reply #91 on: 21 April 2018, 18:38:43 »
Battletech cartoon not that bad???

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« Reply #92 on: 21 April 2018, 22:10:49 »
I don't think you can embed/post videos here.

Animated GIFs are another thing however.

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« Reply #94 on: 23 April 2018, 08:45:26 »
Awesome.  Thanks.  I can now express myself again (note:  Mrs. Woods, my 6th grade English teacher, would be horrified that I've become reliant on funny pictures to do that and that my words have failed.  But what are you gonna do).




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« Reply #95 on: 23 April 2018, 10:21:44 »
Yeah, the new Battletech strategy game will do more for the franchise than a new cartoon.

Also, the fact so many are talking about Transformers and 4Kids tells me allot of people are stuck in the past. Saturday morning cartoons are dead, a new animated series would ether be more mature aimed at the existing fan base in lieu of something live action (and the demand for that is not big enough) or to market existing franchise (something many game franchises don't need nor ask for)

I eagerly await HBO's "A Game of Thrones: Star League Edition".

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« Reply #96 on: 23 April 2018, 20:12:50 »
I eagerly await HBO's "A Game of Thrones: Star League Edition".

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« Reply #97 on: 26 April 2018, 14:43:57 »
I eagerly await HBO's "A Game of Thrones: Star League Edition".

I feel this would be the best theoretical course of action.  The Warrior Trilogy would be an excellent show, since it has war, gladiatorial games, spies, romance, and politics.  Plus, I would LOVE to see Hanse's wedding toast and Max Liao's reaction on screen.
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« Reply #98 on: 30 April 2018, 21:28:36 »
OK School Holidays in my part of the World so for a few days I've bean stuck with the Munchkins. with them swapping the same Flu back and forth and the Internet down at their fathers Uncle DB is hosting them at either his place or the Grandparents, with one or both of them Ill and their X-Box at their Dads and PS? at their mums I'm stuck finding them something to do, being outside and active is limited I've had them watching mid 80's to mid 90's Toons, Mask, Centurions Exo-Squad, Transformers, He-Man ect. almost all of them are fairly Bad (I'm ready for the Torches & Pitchforks) including GI Joe.

At night I'd watch ep's of the B-Tech Toon for myself and comparatively it isn't that bad, in fact compared to the worst of the lot it's practically a Bruckhimer & Cameron  co-production of Shakespeare.

Time, Context and a Comparative Baseline have almost restored my opinion of the show to where it was when I first saw it on Cartoon Connection back in '93.

let the expressions of disbelief begin in 5...4...3...2...  .....

Are you seriously smack talking Exo-Squad?

I know the character designs are very... period... but otherwise, it was great.
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