Star Trek Discovery

[(SMD)MadCow]

It would seem that this is no longer quite true.  The whole Control arc from this past season of DISCO is apparently an adaptation of a plot from one of the Section 31 novels that are set post-ST:VOY.  (Which gives ammunition to those people who feel that DISCO should've been a post-VOY sequel, and not a prequel to TOS.)

cheers,

Gabe

DISCO could jack any story from any novel and it wouldn't matter since the novels are not canon. Which is why I never bothered to read any of them (same with Star Wars).

[Garrand]

DISCO could jack any story from any novel and it wouldn't matter since the novels are not canon. Which is why I never bothered to read any of them (same with Star Wars).

IIRC Pocket was pretty explicit with saying the novels were not canon. Even if some of the novels had the same writers as the shows, & had better ideas or interpretations than what the shows came out with...

That being said, while the old STar Wars EU was "semi-canon" (i.e. canonical within the EU, & canonical in the larger SW universe...unless/until directly contradicted by the movies or TV shows), EVERYTHING is now canon; novels, comics, etc. So if you want the "full" story you have to collect those media additions. That being said, I don't feel like the current SW novels go into as much depth as the old EU novels do. But I also haven't read the entire line either...

Damon.

[Wrangler]

First teaser fo ST: Picard is out in the wild.

It looks it will be deep. Not sure it will be my cup of tea.

[Dragon Cat]

First teaser fo ST: Picard is out in the wild.

It looks it will be deep. Not sure it will be my cup of tea.

Looks great

[ANS Kamas P81]

So for the Picard show...what would you sacrifice to get John deLancie on the show as Q?  There's even an in-character explanation for his aging: "Oh come now Jean-Luc, aging is what all you humans do.  I just thought I would take a form more...contemporary for you, so that you didn't feel so.  Old.  Aren't I compassionate?"

[Øystein]

So for the Picard show...what would you sacrifice to get John deLancie on the show as Q?  There's even an in-character explanation for his aging: "Oh come now Jean-Luc, aging is what all you humans do.  I just thought I would take a form more...contemporary for you, so that you didn't feel so.  Old.  Aren't I compassionate?"

Gods no. I'd sacrifice to NOT have him in the show.

Q was the most annoying ugh, horrible overused and stupid character in TNG.

No nonononononononononononnonononono.

[roosterboy]

Gods no. I'd sacrifice to NOT have him in the show.

Q was the most annoying ugh, horrible overused and stupid character in TNG.

No nonononononononononononnonononono.

Amen, brother.

[Maingunnery]

So for the Picard show...what would you sacrifice to get John deLancie on the show as Q?  There's even an in-character explanation for his aging: "Oh come now Jean-Luc, aging is what all you humans do.  I just thought I would take a form more...contemporary for you, so that you didn't feel so.  Old.  Aren't I compassionate?"

Yes YESssssss

[dgorsman]

I can see them digitally de-aging him to look as he did, then flip it off into the whole make Picard feel better shpiel.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Make him feel better/troll him for being a simple aging mortal, sort of thing.

I totally agree he overstayed his welcome in DS9 and Voyager, but I REALLY liked the sparring and back and forth Picard and Q had, as well as some of the other crew.  Favorite Q episode is Q Who, because it introduced the Borg and pushed Picard to admit he's only so capable...and yet still justifed humans going out there anyway.  And then there's Deja Q. 

"What must I do to convince you people?!"
"Die."
"Oh very clever Mr. Worf.  Eat any good books lately?"

It's the writing that made it, and deLancie and Stewart's delivery that killed it, for me.  The chemistry between those two actors was fantastic from day one, I thought.

On that note, if you ever get the chance, for the love of Rodden's berries please find Spock Vs Q.  There's two of them, they're hilarious, and Nimoy and deLancie get along even better than Stewart.  It's a joy to listen to if you can, and it's always nice to hear Leonard's voice again even if we'll never get a 3rd one.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Gods no. I'd sacrifice to NOT have him in the show.

Q was the most annoying ugh, horrible overused and stupid character in TNG.

No nonononononononononononnonononono.

I liked him.

But I was 12 and have purposefully not rewatched the show since I became an adult to avoid ruining things for myself.

[I am Belch II]

I hope to see some characters from all the Star Trek Series like TNG, DS9 and Voyager. I don't want them all in there, and hope there is more than enough room and story without putting them all in there at all. Its Picard...not TNG TNG!

[HobbesHurlbut]

I hope to see some characters from all the Star Trek Series like TNG, DS9 and Voyager. I don't want them all in there, and hope there is more than enough room and story without putting them all in there at all. Its Picard...not TNG TNG!

Whoopi Goldberg has said she's interested but that they haven't asked her.

[Dragon Cat]

I hope to see some characters from all the Star Trek Series like TNG, DS9 and Voyager. I don't want them all in there, and hope there is more than enough room and story without putting them all in there at all. Its Picard...not TNG TNG!

Initial reports were few to none Jonathan Frakes is involved but behind camera that's about it

[Kit deSummersville]

Q was the most annoying ugh, horrible overused and stupid character in TNG.

I'll remember that next time someone brings up Wesley Crusher.

[ANS Kamas P81]

I'll remember that next time someone brings up Wesley Crusher.

Double your money.

[Colt Ward]

TLDR

Accidentally kept CBS after the week trial to watch Big Bang Theory finale . . . and I am now 8 or 9 episodes in.

I like that they dove right in with the opening of the Klingon War, nice staple of the universe.  Its the Prime, right?  I feel they incorporated a bit of the display/bridge/suit looks from the Red Matter 'verse but I think they give homage to about everything- references to Enterprise and STOS are particularly on display.  I also think the intro music includes bars/bits from all the TV shows, when the Discovery loops around and draws the red line across the screen at the end with the crescendo that just stands out to me as the DS9 intro w/ the runabout.

For the pilot, I think they hammer home the UFP vs Klingon War was brought about by a culture conflict.  The Klingons say hello by opening fire- they start off attacking to judge who they run into while the UFP tries to talk first and only responds with weapons fire as a last resort.  Just as the Klingons were culturally programmed to operate one way, Starfleet was programmed to operate in exactly the opposite way.  Rose-colored glasses all round!  As Sarek says late, the war was inevitable- the Vulcans are not only logical, it reveals they are very pragmatic in that they did not approach contact with Klingons how they wanted it to go, but dealt with them how they were at that time.

I also thought I saw a shout out to Section 31 in the 2nd episode when Burnham ended up on the Discovery and noted the black emblem on a armed guard.  At first I was wondering if Lorca was a co-opted officer but as of halfway through S1 his character has changed and does no longer seem to be as confident as he was earlier- though like the admiral doctor said, it was hard to tell if he was sincere.  The phaser tucked in at the waistband IMO kept it in doubt.

I did like the captain's quarters in the pilot having some of the same touches as Kirk's, and the call back to Mudd was fun too.

I assume S3 is already on order?  The show 'feels' very Star Trek, a bit more than Enterprise did to be honest.

[roosterboy]

Its the Prime, right?

No.

I assume S3 is already on order?  The show 'feels' very Star Trek, a bit more than Enterprise did to be honest.

Yep, S3 is already in the works. I believe it starts filming this month or next, but I could be wrong about that. Writing began a few months ago.

[Colt Ward]

Not Prime really?  I have tried to avoid treasers for S2, but Pike has the Enterprise?

[Daemion]

He does.

[Lorcan Nagle]

DISCO is in the Prime timeline, same as all the other TV shows, the TOS and TNG movies, and the "future" segments of the 2009 movie

[Colt Ward]

Ok, that is what I thought . . . like I said, there were still some touches from Red Matter design & visuals but it fit more between Enterprise & TOS.

[roosterboy]

DISCO is in the Prime timeline, same as all the other TV shows, the TOS and TNG movies, and the "future" segments of the 2009 movie

Oh wait, yeah, I got mixed up. It's Prime, not Kelvin. My bad.

[HobbesHurlbut]

DISCO is in the Prime timeline, same as all the other TV shows, the TOS and TNG movies, and the "future" segments of the 2009 movie

But if you go by the copyright agreement, the fact that ships look different is due to that; at least being 25% different from the shows pre JJ ST movies.

[roosterboy]

But if you go by the copyright agreement, the fact that ships look different is due to that; at least being 25% different from the shows pre JJ ST movies.

Nope, that is absolutely not true. It is false info perpetuated by certain fan sites.

[HobbesHurlbut]

Nope, that is absolutely not true. It is false info perpetuated by certain fan sites.

So they simply changed the TOS Enterprise to "fit" it into Discovery? ???

[monbvol]

There was no legal requirement would be the best answer.

[Colt Ward]

Ship's exteriors would go through some changes through out their service life . . . I mean you had TOS look and then the STTM look for what was supposed to be the same ship.  With that said I have not seen Enterprise since I have not gotten to S2.

[ANS Kamas P81]

The Motionless Picture took its time to explain that the Enterprise spent 18 months in refit and was a whole new ship as to why it looked different.  Very, very explicitly not the "same" ship.

That said, nothing says there wasn't a similar refit under Pike or between Pike and Kirk that turned Big E into what she looked like in TOS; ten years is plenty of time for ships on five year missions to have a little down time.  Especially with those Enterprise-type nacelle windows.

Which fits with what's mentioned here:
https://trekmovie.com/2019/03/24/how-the-uss-enterprise-was-redesigned-for-star-trek-discovery/
Though...I suppose it could be lined up better for the art - if you center the saucers, it becomes a case of simply stripping off the outermost ring to get it into the same size, while moving the "early model" forward should just about line up the warp pylons as well for internal plumbing.

It's not the kind of difference made in the Kelvin timeline movies where the bloody thing is suddenly bigger than a Galaxy-class, for example...

[Lorcan Nagle]

So they simply changed the TOS Enterprise to "fit" it into Discovery? ???

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.