Rasalhague Dominion: The voting will continue until morale improves!

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

All fair comments. While the Grizzly has its faults it is a hard Mech to improve on while keeping it a Grizzly. You should have seen the arguments over the XL engine.

Yeah, the 3 isn't a bad mech, it just changes how I'd use it.

[nova_dew]

Yeah, the 3 isn't a bad mech, it just changes how I'd use it.

Grizzly 3s and Kodiak 6s providing close support for Bruins, Viking IICs, Nova Cats, Atlas IIC 3s, or Cyclops Cs, close range boomstick partnered with less boomstick but frustratingly not dying when it should.

Hmmm a pair of Atlas IIC's, a Kodiak 6 and a pair of Grizzly 3's

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

There's no Atlas IIC.  It's the Atlas C.

[nova_dew]

There's no Atlas IIC.  It's the Atlas C.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlaYRvp9A8c

[Jellico]

Use an Imp like Sandra Tseng intended.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Use an Imp like Sandra Tseng intended.

Good luck using our founders mech. It disappears for us after the Jihad, where clan wolf gets it just cause, and currently it’s dragoons only.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Did we ever find out what mech Hans Jorgensson piloted?

[Tyler Jorgensson]

I forgot to post trothkin than my Kickstarter arrived.

In addition to a Direct Fire Star I secured six (!) Visigoths, two Blood Asps, a White Raven, a (third) Phoenix Hawk IIC (10) and Callandre Kells SM5 to go with my Clan forces. Plus or minus a couple IS mechs subbing in for IIC’s maybe… bringing it closer to three full Clusters (bout a Cluster unassembled and at least a Cluster of Elementals in Novas)

Now my IS Mercs added 54 Vehicles, 8 Battle Armor Suits, and another battalion of mechs (including more Urbies) bringing it to basically two regiments total.

Definitely going to acquire a couple more Grizzlies, another Bane for a conversion to a 3 model, and maybe another White Raven

Going to do a full inventory soon, maybe tomorrow and sort all the new maps and swag

[Zeruel]

Did we ever find out what mech Hans Jorgensson piloted?

don't think so

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Was it ever positively confirmed that he was a mechwarrior and not in some other branch of the SLDF, like aerospace?

[Zeruel]

Good point, I don't think it's ever explicitly stated he is a MechWarrior...

I'm going to pour over Operation Klondike when I get home from work today

[tassa_kay]

Don't bother, Z. OpKlondike doesn't mention it anywhere.

[Alan Grant]

FM: Warden Clans, page 76 states that both Tseng and Jorgensson were among the many soldiers decommissioned from the SLDF on Babylon. It says although they no longer served as soldiers, both trained regularly on simulators to hone their mechwarrior skills.

The book Invading Clans, also says they were both trained as mechwarriors on page 10.

We know Sandra Tseng piloted an Imp during Operation Klondike gifted to her by Nicholas Kerensky (she's the notable mechwarrior for the Imp in Op. Klondike). We don't know what Hans piloted.

[Zeruel]

Op Klondike also says that they each dreamt of becoming Star League MechWarriors prior to joining the SLDF

[Tyler Jorgensson]

I don’t think Hans would have been anything but a MechWarrior. His brother Cal is quoted numerous times being jealous of his brothers fame and I personally don’t believe that rivalry would have been as bad if they had been in different services.

[Alan Grant]

The mechwarrior question is settled. Multiple sources confirm he was one.

I'm also now intrigued by the question of what his personal ride would have been.

In the book Invading Clans there is this bit of art on page 11. A likely stylized/artistic Ghost Bear in the background, arms wide, roaring, on its hind legs. While in the foreground is this strange 'mech I don't recognize in a similar pose. Humanoid battlemech with a cannon atop each shoulder. Made me wonder if that was meant to represent Hans or something. It could be nothing of the sort.

We know Hans came from the Rasalhague region of the Combine. But as he joined the SLDF those origins (and the Clans' desire to shed the old) may mean nothing in terms of any 'mech preferences he may have.

Since his wife drove a 100 tonner, I'm inclined to say he might have as well. Looking at the Klondike RAT I find myself eyeballing the Annihilator, Thunder Hawk, Atlas II, Pillager.

Pillager weirdly makes sense to me. Comparing the arms to the Kodiak.

But given the emphasis of speed (even in an assault) I could see him going for a 4/6 'mech. Helping to establish early on the Bears love for both firepower and more speed than you typically find on an assault 'mech.

Truly just guessing here.

[Gaiiten]

Hmm, I think I read somewhere that Hans Jorgensson piloted a Thug.

In the book Invading Clans there is this bit of art on page 11. A likely stylized/artistic Ghost Bear in the background, arms wide, roaring, on its hind legs. wq Made me wonder if that was meant to represent Hans or something. It could be nothing of the sort.

IMHO this Battlemech is a Shadow Hawk IIC 2. This variant of the venerable Shadow Hawk IIC has two shoulder-mounted ER Large Lasers.
But I do not think it could have been Hans`ride, because it was introduced much later.

[Alan Grant]

Hmm, I think I read somewhere that Hans Jorgensson piloted a Thug.

IMHO this Battlemech is a Shadow Hawk IIC 2. This variant of the venerable Shadow Hawk IIC has two shoulder-mounted ER Large Lasers.
But I do not think it could have been Hans`ride, because it was introduced much later.

Good catch, I forgot about that 'mech.

[Zeruel]

There is a picture of a Ghost Bear Thug in Op Klondike, but there is no indication it is of Hans or otherwise

EDIT: actually, the "35" on the shoulder probably indicates it's not

[Jellico]

Not much action here so have a battle report from a practice game for an upcoming tournament.

Shockwave, Wraith, Exterminator and Götterdämmerung vs Rime Otter Prime, Horned Owl, Kontio, and Firemoth P.

By the second turn the Rime Otter was unconscious and prone, the Kontio was down an arm, and the Götterdämmerung had been decapitated. The ROtter stayed down another three turns taking hits while the Götterdämmerung got clawed in the head again.
Ultimately the Exterminator got its head clawed while the Fire Moth took the back out of the Wraith. The Shockwave got triple teamed. The ROtter got to its feet with nearly no armor, one pulse laser, but full motive systems intact and drew off the blinded Götterdämmerung. A run of good initiative prevented it from being mauled, but ultimately it was worn down, firing wildly.

Basically I was saved by the bot's insistence of attacking the immobile Rime Otter. The Wraith failed to stay mobile enough letting the pulse Mechs take it out. The early head hit on the Götterdämmerung showed both its strength and weakness. It was alive, but useless without sensors. Horned Owls are always consistent performers. Rime Otters are damage sponges though this time it had little chance to use its firepower, and Kontios can't be allowed to operate freely. Ditto for the Fire Moth.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Love me the Kontio. It is too annoying to ignore but you ‘can’ wait until it gets close because it doesn’t have long range guns…. But then it can potentially kill you in one hit.

The Horned Owl I’ve exclusively used the 2 for Thunder mines because shenanigans.

But on the GB front we did get a couple lines in ‘Trial of Birthright’. Nothing major just a different first person perspective on a couple things from ‘Dominions Divided’.

[jklantern]

Love me the Kontio. It is too annoying to ignore but you ‘can’ wait until it gets close because it doesn’t have long range guns…. But then it can potentially kill you in one hit.

The Horned Owl I’ve exclusively used the 2 for Thunder mines because shenanigans.

But on the GB front we did get a couple lines in ‘Trial of Birthright’. Nothing major just a different first person perspective on a couple things from ‘Dominions Divided’.

I will say, I think it's funny that in other works (I wanna say "Dominion Divided" and maaaaaaaaaybe "Question of Survival") they attribute Alaric Ward rejecting the Ghost Bears after the vote as an act of manipulation.  Whereas ToB seems to paint it more of a spur of the moment tantrum on Alaric's part.

[Jellico]

The difference between fiction and reality. Fiction has to be believable.

Sourcebooks are analysis from the outside. Novels are reality.

[JAMES_PRYDE]

Whereas ToB seems to paint it more of a spur of the moment tantrum on Alaric's part.

Alaric is an idiot, the Bears came, with 51% winning vote, he had the troops he pragmatically needed (New Earth and general security, and further buffer zone, but no, little boy wolf's ego couldn't hand it

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Well, it's not a surprise that he's an egotistical idiot.

[JAMES_PRYDE]

Question about imagery in ToB

is the SLDF now a golden Cameron Star Dagger ? Or still the original grey. Also is it made clear there is just a golden "House Cameron" star anywhere in the novel