Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - Read the First Post

[HangarQueen]

Question regarding the 8P Quickdraw - shouldn't it have Rear 1/1/- matching the 8X it's derived from? Also are there any plans to alter its rules or give it sub-variants to represent the different weapon loads?

[Horsemen]

Will the Stalker II STK-9A be added to the Capellan Confederation lists for the Dark Age and IlClan era lists?

The fluff in the TRO: Dark Age mentions "Needing hard currency, Andurien opened the Stalker II up to sales to its allies; Stalker IIs have fought in Capellan units on New Syrtis
and with the MAC against the RAF, and the nowdisbanded Marik-Stewart Commonwealth against both the Lyrans and Clan Wolf."

[Boateye]

With the release of the record sheet for the Panther PNT-10ALAG, will it get a card on MUL? It seems that the only change that will bubble up to AS is an extra 2" of movement over the 9ALAG, bringing it to 12" MV total

[Sartris]

there will not be any forward-facing changes to the MUL until the new site launches (ETA unknown). At that point, yes, it will be added to the job queue.

[Maelwys]

The

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9582/generic-expandable-services-vehicle-command-post

has "IS Clan General" in its Dark Ages Availability, however, all other Eras has "Inner Sphere General."

Suggested simple change IS Clan General to IS General.

Otherwise you'll have to add IS General to the Dark Ages entry (since its unlikely to lose that randomly) and then add in IS Clan General to the IlClan era to reflect the changes from the Dark Ages listing.

[Sartris]

It's a fairly common mistake you'd think I'd stop making but alas

Thanks

[Maelwys]

This is going to be an odd one I think.

The Hell's Horses should probably have access to

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Bandit+%28C%29+Hovercraft

The Horses are known for using things like OmniVehicles, and the Bandit fits. Also, they have access to it up until the Civil War era, since both the Horse and the Bandit were on the Homeworld Clan General list.

However, since the Horses switch to the IS Clan General list during the Civil War period, they technically lose the design in the MUL. So I'd suggest adding the Hell's Horses to the Bandit (C)'s variant, since they aren't likely to just lose it.

Although that poses an interesting question, about what else they might have lost due to that switch, but not sure how to search for something like that right now.

[Centurian99]

This might be a dumb question, but why doesn't the pirate faction have access to the infantry unit "pirate"?

[Sartris]

This might be a dumb question, but why doesn't the pirate faction have access to the infantry unit "pirate"?

huh! pirates do get access after 3080 but not before. there's a very specific, administrative, boring reason why this is probably the case. we'll put it on the list, thanks!

[Sartris]

This is going to be an odd one I think.

The Hell's Horses should probably have access to

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=Bandit+%28C%29+Hovercraft

The Horses are known for using things like OmniVehicles, and the Bandit fits. Also, they have access to it up until the Civil War era, since both the Horse and the Bandit were on the Homeworld Clan General list.

However, since the Horses switch to the IS Clan General list during the Civil War period, they technically lose the design in the MUL. So I'd suggest adding the Hell's Horses to the Bandit (C)'s variant, since they aren't likely to just lose it.

Although that poses an interesting question, about what else they might have lost due to that switch, but not sure how to search for something like that right now.

this is going to be one of those weeds that you try to pull out and the roots are two feet long. i can feel it already.

[CarcosanDawn]

I know no work is being done on the MUL but I am curious how BV is calculated. Here is some of what I understand (what caused me to look into this was the BV being so different between MUL and MegaMek):

MegaMek: Defensive BR is 1989.9, Offensive BR is 476.245. Total BV is 2466
Myself: Defensive BR is 1989.9, Offensive BR is 476.245. Total BV is 2466 after rounding.
MUL: BV is stated as 2285. - It is possible the Limited Amphibious Hull modifier was omitted, or else something strange is happening!

[Hammer]

I know no work is being done on the MUL but I am curious how BV is calculated. Here is some of what I understand (what caused me to look into this was the BV being so different between MUL and MegaMek):

MegaMek: Defensive BR is 1989.9, Offensive BR is 476.245. Total BV is 2466
Myself: Defensive BR is 1989.9, Offensive BR is 476.245. Total BV is 2466 after rounding.
MUL: BV is stated as 2285. - It is possible the Limited Amphibious Hull modifier was omitted, or else something strange is happening!

Unit?

[CarcosanDawn]

I can't believe I didn't write the most obvious answer - the Soarece superheavy mbt!

My goodness I feel foolish

[Haveatya]

Could it be considered adding some version of the Jade Hawk to the Alyina Mercantile League? Mercenary has some options and both flavors of Clan Jade Falcon have some versions. Seems reasonable that AML should have a version or two available?

[mordel]

An update for when the nuMUL comes out....

Gladius Medium Hover Tank Mk. II

BV should be 638 (MML and Mordel match).

The 613 as listed is without the machine guns linked to the array.

[CarcosanDawn]

Another note on the Soarece:

It is "Rules Level: Experimental" while the Destrier is "Rules Level: Advanced" - is that just because the Limited Amphibious Hull is more "experimental" than Hardened Armor and Long Tom Cannons, or a holdover from the split between Technology Level and Rules Level?

I suspect it's a holdover, hence reporting here, but I'm curious!

[nckestrel]

Another note on the Soarece:

It is "Rules Level: Experimental" while the Destrier is "Rules Level: Advanced" - is that just because the Limited Amphibious Hull is more "experimental" than Hardened Armor and Long Tom Cannons, or a holdover from the split between Technology Level and Rules Level?

I suspect it's a holdover, hence reporting here, but I'm curious!

Super-heavy vehicles are experimental until 3075. The MUL (as with record sheets) lists a unit as the rules level it is on its intro date.  So the Soarece, with a 2881 intro date and being a super-heavy vehicle, is experimental.

[CarcosanDawn]

Super-heavy vehicles are experimental until 3075. The MUL (as with record sheets) lists a unit as the rules level it is on its intro date.  So the Soarece, with a 2881 intro date and being a super-heavy vehicle, is experimental.

Ahh, gotcha, I didn't know the Rules Level varied with the timeline as well as the Tech Level. I did see the Soarece Record Sheet says it's experimental as well, so the MUL is faithfully reporting it. Thanks!

[Brezie]

On the MUL the Fa Shih (Support) [Plasma] (sqd4) is listed at 225 BV, and in MegaMek it is listed at 221 BV.

MML:
Battle Value Calculation for
-----------------------------
Fa Shih Battle Armor (Support) [Plasma](Sqd4)
---------------------------------------------
                                                                 
   Effective MP:                   R: 1, J: 3, U: 0               
                                                                 
Defensive Battle Rating:
   Armor:                          1 + 7 x 2.5                18.5
   TMMs:                           0 (R), 2 (J), 0 (U)           
   TMM Factor:                     1.2 + 0.1 (BA)                 
   Defensive Factor:               18.5 x 1.3              = 24.05
                                                                 
Offensive Battle Rating:
   Weapons:                                                       
   - Plasma Rifle (Man-Portable)   + 12                       = 12
   Anti-Mek:                                                     
   - Plasma Rifle (Man-Portable)   + 12                       = 24
   Speed Factor:                   24 x 0.77               = 18.48
                                                                 
Trooper Battle Value:
                                   24.05 + 18.48, rn       = 42.53
                                                                 
Squad Battle Value:
   Total Squad BV:                                          170.12
   Average BV per Trooper          / 4                     = 42.53
   Squad Size                      x 5.2                 = 221.156
   --- Base Unit BV:               221.156, rn               = 221

[mordel]

Another change for when the new MUL rolls out.

Myrmidon Medium Tank Type 2

BV should be 1002
PV should be 31
MDS6 should be MDS12

Values match between MML and Mordel.Net

[mordel]

Schiltron Mobile Fire-Support Platform F

Based on errata posted by jymset the BV should be 1,470 (MML and Mordel match)

[Rainbow 6]

Will we have to wait for the new MUL to get the IlClan era SLDF list?

[Sartris]

Probably

[FixDis]

Gonna ask here too: No "Permission to photocopy for personal use" on Alpha Strike or support cards? Was it omitted for space?

[Sartris]

template was passed to us to use. i can check

[Sevya]

Why does the Lightning LTN-G15b Alpha Strike card have BOMB 1 instead of 2? All other size 2 fighters have BOMB 2. Is this a typo?

[Sartris]

it should be 2, yes. thanks

[pokefan548]

All of the Nova configs appear to be unavailable to Clan Hell's Horses during the Early Succession Wars. Pretty odd for the Horses' own invention, and their iconic first Omni.

I think this might have gotten lost in the wash.

Also, maybe I missed it, is there any reason we still haven't gotten the Ghosts of Obeedah units on the MUL yet?

[Hammer]

there will not be any forward-facing changes to the MUL until the new site launches (ETA unknown). At that point, yes, it will be added to the job queue.

[Sartris]

Additionally Battletech: Adventures units are not added to the MUL