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« on: 12 April 2012, 16:40:59 »
A few days ago I watched the movie TRASFORMER3.
Well I think it was one of the worst movie I've ever seen (besides, both the first and the second I was not impressed except for some striking scene)
Dispersive, boring, I could not follow the plot, scenes that are too chaotic. I fell asleep in the middle '.
Maybe 'I'm getting old, but today in science fiction scenes run too fast and did not amuse me more' as they used to be.

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« Reply #1 on: 12 April 2012, 16:45:41 »
The OLD DRAWN Transformers Movie was the best.
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« Reply #2 on: 12 April 2012, 20:19:11 »
Isn't this post beating a dead horse?

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« Reply #3 on: 12 April 2012, 21:29:07 »
Isn't this post beating a dead horse?

same dead horse, new beater
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« Reply #4 on: 12 April 2012, 21:42:38 »
There's already a thread for Dark of the Moon here, in case you missed it...

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« Reply #5 on: 12 April 2012, 22:25:00 »
Sometimes people need to be reminded on how bad some things are. I was always 50/50 on the 3rd movie. There were some good things and some bad things.
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« Reply #6 on: 13 April 2012, 01:10:02 »
I do not follow actively the off topic section.
I know that the movie was released in theaters months ago, but I've watched on television and without pay, then you know that certain products come out first in the U.S. and then in other countries.
The point is that modern films have action scenes very fast and chaotic that going beyond the 'all imagination and physical law.
In other words amuses me more 'an episode of Star Trek '67.

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« Reply #7 on: 13 April 2012, 03:03:09 »
I honestly don't know what people were expecting from the live action transformers franchise. Sure, it wasn't high art, but it didn't take place in Carbombya or feature any Giant purple griffins either.

I learned when I was five that if I wanted to watch a masterpiece I probably shouldn't be looking at transformers.
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« Reply #8 on: 13 April 2012, 05:27:54 »
If people are looking for good contemporary Transformers action, I'd recommend the current CGI cartoon: Transformers Prime.  It's produced by the movie's writing team, but is considerably more mature and naturalistic, has engaging ongoing storylines, and excellent, comprehensible action scenes.  It's everything the live action movies weren't, and is easily the best Transformers TV series since Beast Wars.
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« Reply #9 on: 13 April 2012, 06:27:02 »
I honestly don't know what people were expecting from the live action transformers franchise. Sure, it wasn't high art, but it didn't take place in Carbombya or feature any Giant purple griffins either.

I learned when I was five that if I wanted to watch a masterpiece I probably shouldn't be looking at transformers.

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« Reply #10 on: 13 April 2012, 06:45:08 »
I have an official Takara-produced Kremzeek toy. It came with Masterpiece Megatron!
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« Reply #11 on: 13 April 2012, 12:00:57 »
If people are looking for good contemporary Transformers action, I'd recommend the current CGI cartoon: Transformers Prime.  It's produced by the movie's writing team, but is considerably more mature and naturalistic, has engaging ongoing storylines, and excellent, comprehensible action scenes.  It's everything the live action movies weren't, and is easily the best Transformers TV series since Beast Wars.

I totaly agree. TF Prime is awesome series. Also I like designs in TF Prime far more than in live action onces. In live action movies they looked liked skeletons with some parts slapped to them while in TF Prime they have mixture of live action and animated style.
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« Reply #12 on: 13 April 2012, 15:36:45 »

I know that the movie was released in theaters months ago, but I've watched on television and without pay, then you know that certain products come out first in the U.S. and then in other countries.


What country are you in that Dark of the Moon is already showing on main stream TV?
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« Reply #13 on: 13 April 2012, 15:41:57 »
I totaly agree. TF Prime is awesome series. Also I like designs in TF Prime far more than in live action onces. In live action movies they looked liked skeletons with some parts slapped to them while in TF Prime they have mixture of live action and animated style.

I see Prime as a mix of the best bits of the movies, G1 and Beast Wars.  And the toys are quite nice too.
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« Reply #14 on: 13 April 2012, 16:17:39 »
What country are you in that Dark of the Moon is already showing on main stream TV?

In Italy.
Should I correct: in fact 'I pay a monthly subscription package for a film, but I did not pay to watch it at the theater.

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« Reply #15 on: 14 April 2012, 03:19:11 »
As a long time Transformers fanatic, I've experienced both the best and worst of the franchise in the 25+ years of its history.

I rank the live-action films somewhere in the middle of those "best and worst" experiences. My one main disappoint with the films, is that they relied too heavily on the human-element. I know it's a necessary story-telling method, and without all the "humans and their relationships," it's unlikely the films would've attracted audiences not intimately familiar with the universe of the Transformers. But, at the same time, the human-element often proved to be too much of a distraction from the grand tale of "Autobots waging their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Deceptions."

I really wasn't interested in Sam's girl problems or the craziness with his parents. And while Sector 7 and Agent Simmons proved to be something of a curious addition to the TF-mythos, it's also something I could've done without as well.

Ultimately, I see the live-action films as realising part of my childhood dreams. That of massive transforming robots waging their never-ending battle of good versus evil on an alien world. Everything else is irrelevant... and largely skipped over when I re-watch the films.
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« Reply #16 on: 14 April 2012, 14:28:49 »
I see Prime as a mix of the best bits of the movies, G1 and Beast Wars.  And the toys are quite nice too.

I tend to agree with this...I was actually quite tempted by a small transforming Arcee from Transformers Prime the other day...

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« Reply #17 on: 14 April 2012, 14:58:06 »
I tend to agree with this...I was actually quite tempted by a small transforming Arcee from Transformers Prime the other day...

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« Reply #18 on: 15 April 2012, 00:09:07 »
And while Sector 7 and Agent Simmons proved to be something of a curious addition to the TF-mythos, it's also something I could've done without as well.


Maybe its cause i like the actor.. but i loved Simmons...
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« Reply #19 on: 15 April 2012, 08:15:56 »
Maybe its cause i like the actor.. but i loved Simmons...

Oh, I liked the character, and the actor for that matter. But, ultimately, it was just another branch of human-relationships that Sam had to deal with. And I just saw that as unnecessary.
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« Reply #20 on: 15 April 2012, 09:41:40 »
I tend to agree with this...I was actually quite tempted by a small transforming Arcee from Transformers Prime the other day...

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That said, the Cyberverse Arcee in bike mode is just about in scale with the larger toys in their vehicle modes...

Oh, I liked the character, and the actor for that matter. But, ultimately, it was just another branch of human-relationships that Sam had to deal with. And I just saw that as unnecessary.

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« Reply #21 on: 15 April 2012, 13:19:40 »
The OLD DRAWN Transformers Movie was the best.
The Van Halen music made it epic.
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« Reply #22 on: 15 April 2012, 13:30:42 »
I could have done with never seeing a Transformer pee on a human.

And I think you've just summed up what was wrong with the live action movies.
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« Reply #23 on: 15 April 2012, 14:15:26 »
For me, the childish humour really hurt the movies as much as if not more than anything else.  It just wasn't fun to watch.  The nigh-incomprehensible FX sequences didn't help much either.
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« Reply #24 on: 15 April 2012, 14:43:53 »
For me, the childish humour really hurt the movies as much as if not more than anything else.
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« Reply #25 on: 15 April 2012, 15:19:53 »
Yeah, all three of those were ridiculous.  The twins were especially problematic because A) they were effectively racial stereotypes and B) they served effectively no purpose other than to be the annoying sidekicks.  Also, the humor was really poorly timed throughout the movie- going straight from Optimus Prime's death to the wacky antics just created mood whiplash.
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« Reply #26 on: 15 April 2012, 16:03:20 »
I had issues with a variety of things in all 3 movies

some of the spike and his girl trouble
some of the soundwave things
the 2 dimensional infiltrator junk

jetfire/skyfire being a sr71 blackbird and being able to spacebridge (point to point teleport)
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« Reply #27 on: 15 April 2012, 18:16:46 »
I thought the Twins were the most annoying of all the robots.
The love story....crap.
No Grimlock....kinda happy becuase they didn't destroy him like the other transformers.
Soundwave being a Car......crap.

Those were some of the things that pissed me off about the series.
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« Reply #28 on: 15 April 2012, 18:35:25 »
The Van Halen music made it epic.
yah that too ^^
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« Reply #29 on: 15 April 2012, 22:34:28 »
Soundwave being a Car......crap.

As someone who religiously got the G1 comics in england, it royally peeved me off to see Frenzy being the one that transformed into a boom box/tape deck.. and soundwave (normally associated with that) being a car...
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« Reply #30 on: 17 April 2012, 05:05:25 »
I can't get worked up about characters having different alt modes and such.  Transformers is about change after all, and it's not like character names never get reused between franchises.

For example, Soundwave was a tapedeck in G1; A mutant that transformed from bat to crcodile in Beast Wars; A Stealth Bomber in Cybertron/Galaxy Force; a satellite and later car in the movies and finally a car and later drone in Fall of Cybertron/Prime.

It's like, when Wheeljack showed up in Prime, people were complaining that he wasn't a mad scientist just like in G1.  But there's no reason for him to be a mad scientist except nostalgia.
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« Reply #31 on: 17 April 2012, 05:45:45 »
I actually liked Soundwave's car mode in DotM more than his satellite mode in RotF. Sure satellite mode worked with his role in Decepticons but car mode just looked much better. Besides he was already van in TFA.
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« Reply #32 on: 17 April 2012, 05:56:00 »
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« Reply #33 on: 17 April 2012, 12:21:59 »
i just don't GET such changes to canon . .
it's like saying:"victor steiner davion got adopted by romano liao and became best friend and confidant to both sun-tzu and kali liao and helped them become the fair and wise rulers they are protrayed to be by official liao propaganda"

why? you ask?
how? you ask?
when? you ask?
just because is the answer to all three of them . .
does not fit to how and when? deal with it!
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« Reply #34 on: 17 April 2012, 12:40:59 »
I just don't GET how you guys can consider all of the various series canon with each other when they're very clearly not.
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« Reply #35 on: 17 April 2012, 14:26:51 »
Exactly.  Transformers has been rebooted at least 6 times between cartoons and movies.  That's ignoring the 3 and two-halves separate G1 comic continuities (Marvel US, Marvel UK (UK counts the US as canon with one or two omissions, US only counts one or two UK stories), Dreamwave, IDW, Fanclub Classics (Counts the Marvel G1 comics as canon, but not G2)), and the Armada/Energon comics that are wholly separate from the cartoons.  And the movie-era comics are much the same
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« Reply #36 on: 18 April 2012, 01:01:32 »
I actually liked Soundwave's car mode in DotM more than his satellite mode in RotF. Sure satellite mode worked with his role in Decepticons but car mode just looked much better. Besides he was already van in TFA.

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« Reply #37 on: 18 April 2012, 01:39:51 »
Transformers: Animated.
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« Reply #38 on: 18 April 2012, 13:23:17 »
I can't get worked up about characters having different alt modes and such.  Transformers is about change after all, and it's not like character names never get reused between franchises.

For example, Soundwave was a tapedeck in G1; A mutant that transformed from bat to crcodile in Beast Wars; A Stealth Bomber in Cybertron/Galaxy Force; a satellite and later car in the movies and finally a car and later drone in Fall of Cybertron/Prime.

It's like, when Wheeljack showed up in Prime, people were complaining that he wasn't a mad scientist just like in G1.  But there's no reason for him to be a mad scientist except nostalgia.

Point of order, Beast Wars is usually attached to G1, so the Mutant Soundwave is probably a different character all together. Though the IDW Beast Wars Sourcebook suggests otherwise, but that thing is so full of errors and oddities that it is its own continuity onto itself. And they did not put Beast Wars Megatron in his most awesome body ever! The other Soundwaves are usually considered different multiverse variations on the original anyway.

I just don't GET how you guys can consider all of the various series canon with each other when they're very clearly not.

It depends. From a straight forward way of looking at things, none of the continuities are the same, so who cares. However from a grander point of view, realities connect. The Fallen is one being across several realities. Primus and Unicron have a grand duel across dimensions fighting a battle against order and chaos. As they fight, Primus' children fight their own mirror battle on the realities where they exist.

Though sometimes, who is on the side of order and chaos changes. I personally see Beast Machines as the Maximals being controlled by Unicron for Chaos to destroy Primus in one reality, but that's just because I never warmed to the designs of the Maximals.   

There are realities that connect as hubs to all the other realities as well. But with most things that get too complicated, you can just ignore everything that you don't like in Transformers. Some people don't like Primus to exist as a "god" or anything. Some people just want Unicron to be a giant transformer created by a strange ancient mad scientist who looked kind of like a ape.

In the end, I like the idea that all realities are connected in Transformers, so eventually if God willing, I can write an official ultimate finale to the Generation One Cartoon that it really deserves. With the immortal "God Emperor" Starscream as leader of some form of "Decepticons", Rodimus would be resurrected to help Autobots who abandoned Maximal controlled Cybertron to recreate the planet somewhere else. And as Starscream sets his optics on technorganic Cybertron, servants of Unicron complete their dark mission. And there will be purple griffin mechs for some odd reason: I see them eating technorganic maximals. 

However at the moment, Transformers Prime is a good show with a Frank Welker Megatron that I actually like. It has a grand history that combines most of the best aspects of other versions of Transformers. It might not be as pure fun as Animated, but it is going somewhere which is more than can ever be said of Energon. Alas poor Energon, you had no heart except for the comic. And apparently, David Kaye is going to be on it. With an Arcee that is unique without going axe crazy, I salute it. 

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« Reply #39 on: 18 April 2012, 17:22:07 »
Exactly.  Transformers has been rebooted at least 6 times between cartoons and movies.  That's ignoring the 3 and two-halves separate G1 comic continuities (Marvel US, Marvel UK (UK counts the US as canon with one or two omissions, US only counts one or two UK stories),

I have most of the G1 uk series... Loved them all.
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« Reply #40 on: 18 April 2012, 17:57:19 »
Point of order, Beast Wars is usually attached to G1, so the Mutant Soundwave is probably a different character all together.

Yeah, but my point is that there's been more TF characters named Soundwave that aren't tape decks vs ones that are.  And just because a character has the same name as the tapedeck soundwave doesn't mean it's the same character anyway.  So why complain that movieverse soundwave not being a tape deck/modern equivelant?
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Though the IDW Beast Wars Sourcebook suggests otherwise, but that thing is so full of errors and oddities that it is its own continuity onto itself. And they did not put Beast Wars Megatron in his most awesome body ever! The other Soundwaves are usually considered different multiverse variations on the original anyway.

Best not to mention the "source"book, really.

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It depends. From a straight forward way of looking at things, none of the continuities are the same, so who cares. However from a grander point of view, realities connect. The Fallen is one being across several realities. Primus and Unicron have a grand duel across dimensions fighting a battle against order and chaos. As they fight, Primus' children fight their own mirror battle on the realities where they exist.

Though sometimes, who is on the side of order and chaos changes. I personally see Beast Machines as the Maximals being controlled by Unicron for Chaos to destroy Primus in one reality, but that's just because I never warmed to the designs of the Maximals.   

There are realities that connect as hubs to all the other realities as well. But with most things that get too complicated, you can just ignore everything that you don't like in Transformers. Some people don't like Primus to exist as a "god" or anything. Some people just want Unicron to be a giant transformer created by a strange ancient mad scientist who looked kind of like a ape.

Yeah, I do like that the official Hasbro line is more or less Standard Answer One, and they even play loose with their own continuty families - Prime is a sequel to War for Cybertron, but the events of the game aren't exactly what happened in Prime's past in terms of look and exactly what happened.

I have most of the G1 uk series... Loved them all.

I wish I'd managed to get more of the Titan UK G1 collections before they went out of print.  So much handier than going to my parents' place and digging out old boxes of comics :D
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Re: Trasformer 3
« Reply #41 on: 23 April 2012, 19:10:09 »
Ah yes Arcee. I like her character in TF Prime over all others. She is finaly getting respect that she deserves.

Arcee and Megatron's versions in Trasformers Prime are probably my favorite incarnations of each...

And I think you've just summed up what was wrong with the live action movies.

I think the biggest offender for me was Wheelie humping Megan Fox's leg in RotF...some things I just do not need to see on the big screen...

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Re: Trasformer 3
« Reply #42 on: 23 April 2012, 20:16:55 »
And some things I don't need to be reminded of #P
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