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Louie N · « **Reply #1140 on:** 31 October 2014, 12:44:04 »

Here is a blanket aerospace fighter question.

All Bomb special ability stats for aero and conventional fighters are currently size +1 in the MUL. AS Companion describes the special ability as equal to size value.

This may break some jump bomber pilot's heart.

Thanks

nckestrel · « **Reply #1141 on:** 31 October 2014, 12:53:29 »

Quote from: Louie N on 30 October 2014, 12:21:35

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5109/sprite-ultraheavy-protomech-standard

Based on stats found in the "Wars of Reaving" book the Sprite proto mech should only have a 10" jump move.

Thanks

Thanks. Card should update by tomorrow.

nckestrel · « **Reply #1142 on:** 31 October 2014, 12:58:02 »

Quote from: Louie N on 26 October 2014, 17:03:12

I am checking, or learning, conventional infantry conversions. I have a cross check on the Clan foot infantry.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/601/clan-foot-infantry-ad-hoc-point-42nd-battlemech-cluster-theta-galaxy

Platoon Size 25, Armor divisor is 2

I calculate Armor points as 25 / 7.5 (15 / 2 Armor divisor) = 3.33 FRN = 3

The Card sheet shows 4 damage boxes.

Is this an accurate calculation. Please let me know.

Thanks

Yeah, it should be 3. Card should be updated within 24 hours.

nckestrel · « **Reply #1143 on:** 31 October 2014, 13:03:05 »

Quote from: Issamuel on 25 October 2014, 23:11:11

The TRO 3145 LryComm Zeus X4 Alpha Strike Card http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6630/zeus-x-zeu-x4 , the special ability MHQ1 is no longer there.

Previously, the 1 ton command console on the mech should qualify for the MHQ1 ability, and was part of the card prior to the current update.

Checking. The Command Console was (in SO) explictily stated as being MHQ1. That line was removed from Alpha Strike Companion. Checking if that was intented to make it no MHQ for Command Console, or assumed to fall under the 1 ton of communication equipment...

Louie N · « **Reply #1144 on:** 01 November 2014, 00:30:12 »

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/622/clan-mechanized-infantry-mimirwatch-counter-insurgency-point

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3/aa-mechanized-infantry-mechanized-aa-infantry-point-67th-battlemech-cluster-iota-galaxy

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1035/fast-recon-cavalry-point-67th-battlemech-cluster-iota-galaxy

I have a crosscheck for three Mechanized infantry platoons. They are all have damage divisor of 2, and they all have platoon sizes of 20 troopers.

So the armor conversion I have is

1> 2 [Damage Divisor] ÷ 2 [Mechanized] = 1
2> 15 ÷ 1 [Modified Divisor] = 15
3> 20 [Troops] ÷ 15 = 1.3; round normally to 1

Please let me know if there is anything I am missing.

Thanks for the replies and checks.

solmanian · « **Reply #1145 on:** 01 November 2014, 04:06:27 »

In the ER3145 a lot of the equipment gets downgraded from experimental and advanced to standard. What rules/era does the MUL team uses to determine rules level? The latest one (3145), the era of production, or something else?

Jal Phoenix · « **Reply #1146 on:** 02 November 2014, 13:48:25 »

Is there a place for units we discover in fiction that have no stats? I notice the MUL does have several on it, but I've found one that isn't. The Sylvester WarShip apparently had a "DropShip-sized" version produced for a long period of time. TRO3057r page 196, last paragraph.

Moonsword · « **Reply #1147 on:** 03 November 2014, 11:51:14 »

Those reports go in here.

GreekFire · « **Reply #1148 on:** 05 November 2014, 01:41:59 »

DOUBLE EDIT: BV for Basilisk 3 is currently found under its cost.

nckestrel · « **Reply #1149 on:** 05 November 2014, 05:54:34 »

Quote from: solmanian on 01 November 2014, 04:06:27

In the ER3145 a lot of the equipment gets downgraded from experimental and advanced to standard. What rules/era does the MUL team uses to determine rules level? The latest one (3145), the era of production, or something else?

The one on the official record sheet, which is going to be the roughly the era of production. All of TR Prototypes is presumed post all the changes in TR Prototypes for example.

SCC · « **Reply #1150 on:** 14 November 2014, 03:19:12 »

The Heavy Wheeled APC and it's MG variant both have an intro date of ES, that should be 2470, the date that Standard Armor came in

Question · « **Reply #1151 on:** 15 November 2014, 11:20:06 »

I noticed that most dropships are missing their rules level, for example the Leopard : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4493/MUL

Is there a reason for the missing rules level?

solmanian · « **Reply #1152 on:** 15 November 2014, 17:10:32 »

And the TRO3145:ROTS units still don't have a faction availability.

nckestrel · « **Reply #1153 on:** 15 November 2014, 17:58:21 »

Quote from: Question on 15 November 2014, 11:20:06

I noticed that most dropships are missing their rules level, for example the Leopard : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4493/MUL

Is there a reason for the missing rules level?

Because there is no Catalyst era record sheet for them. Mostly a concern for BV, but that's the reason I didn't bother with the rules level either.

Question · « **Reply #1154 on:** 16 November 2014, 00:48:47 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 15 November 2014, 17:58:21

Because there is no Catalyst era record sheet for them. Mostly a concern for BV, but that's the reason I didn't bother with the rules level either.

So would it be safe to assume that dropships with level 1 tech are intro level tech, those with level 2 tech are standard rules, etc?

ColBosch · « **Reply #1155 on:** 16 November 2014, 00:58:48 »

Since most were designed using legacy rules sets, I'd set them all at Advanced/Experimental until new versions can be created.

Welshman · « **Reply #1156 on:** 16 November 2014, 01:28:33 »

Quote from: Question on 16 November 2014, 00:48:47

So would it be safe to assume that dropships with level 1 tech are intro level tech, those with level 2 tech are standard rules, etc?

DropShips are always at least Standard Rules.

JumpShips, Space Stations and WarShips are at least Advanced Rules.

Introductory Rules are very focused on the most basic game play. The minute you bring a DropShip to the fight, it is no longer simple.

Question · « **Reply #1157 on:** 16 November 2014, 09:14:01 »

What about not using them ingame but just to say "okay this is the dropship you use to get on planet"?

Welshman · « **Reply #1158 on:** 16 November 2014, 13:05:16 »

Quote from: Question on 16 November 2014, 09:14:01

What about not using them ingame but just to say "okay this is the dropship you use to get on planet"?

Then you haven't brought it to the fight. You've provided yourself backstory.

Introductory Tech is anything covered in the Box Set rules. DropShips are not. DropShips are not Introductory tech no matter how simple their weapons loadout.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #1159 on:** 29 November 2014, 03:50:17 »

A question of clarification: The Gravedigger Grasshopper's Alpha Strike card on the MUL has a point value of 41, while the Alpha Strike card included with the Assault Lance has PV 49. Given the pilot's Skill is printed on the card as 3 and the notes on the back of the card lists a +8 modifier to PV for the skill, am I correct in assuming the PV on the front of the card already includes his skill, but not the Jumping Jack SPA?

nckestrel · « **Reply #1160 on:** 29 November 2014, 07:23:00 »

Yes, but SPAs don't have a PV cost. So 49 is the final PV.

Trailblazer · « **Reply #1161 on:** 01 December 2014, 13:24:40 »

According to the MUL, the STG-A10 has Alpha Strike PV 18, while the STG-A5 has PV 33! ??? The only difference between the two is one point of medium-range damage.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5139/stinger-lam-stg-a5
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5138/stinger-lam-stg-a10

nckestrel · « **Reply #1162 on:** 01 December 2014, 14:49:35 »

Quote from: Trailblazer on 01 December 2014, 13:24:40

According to the MUL, the STG-A10 has Alpha Strike PV 18, while the STG-A5 has PV 33! ??? The only difference between the two is one point of medium-range damage.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5139/stinger-lam-stg-a5
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5138/stinger-lam-stg-a10

Neither are correct :) (or maybe :( ). I don't believe we have a rule for the new PV and LAMs. Researching...

Bifrost_Guard · « **Reply #1163 on:** 01 December 2014, 17:38:14 »

The Alpha Strike card in the Master Unit List for the HNT-152 Hornet shows the IF0* Special Ability, but the HNT-152 is a field refit with an SRM 4 replacing the LRM 5 so it should not have any Indirect Fire ability.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1546/hornet-hnt-152

On the other hand, the HNT-161 Hornet does have an LRM 5, but is missing the IF0* special ability.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1547/hornet-hnt-161

Xotl: IF0* removed and PV dropped a point on the -152, IF0* added to the -161. Thanks!

Trailblazer · « **Reply #1164 on:** 01 December 2014, 18:20:22 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 01 December 2014, 14:49:35

Neither are correct :) (or maybe :( ). I don't believe we have a rule for the new PV and LAMs. Researching...

I hope that's not true... hard to believe Catalyst would release rules for them without PVs.

Welshman · « **Reply #1165 on:** 01 December 2014, 19:40:07 »

Quote from: Trailblazer on 01 December 2014, 18:20:22

I hope that's not true... hard to believe Catalyst would release rules for them without PVs.

We've got a new PV in beta, not surprising at all.

In addition not everyone use PV, so getting game play rules out are never held up for BV or PV. We went over two years from the publishing of TechManual to the release of the MUL with official BV 2.0.

Trailblazer · « **Reply #1166 on:** 01 December 2014, 20:23:40 »

Does the PV system still count as a beta? I would've thought it was official, now that it's been published in Alpha Strike Companion.

It just seems a little strange to me to publish a book with a PV system, and new unit types, but not apply the PV system to those unit types.

Xotl · « **Reply #1167 on:** 01 December 2014, 20:29:19 »

We're taking care of it right now - no worries. You should have updated LAM values in a few days if all goes well.

Trailblazer · « **Reply #1168 on:** 01 December 2014, 22:32:57 »

Quote from: Xotl on 01 December 2014, 20:29:19

We're taking care of it right now - no worries. You should have updated LAM values in a few days if all goes well.

That's great news! :)

Issamuel · « **Reply #1169 on:** 01 December 2014, 22:49:02 »

Hello, not sure if this is intentional or not, but I just want to report that the MUL entry for the Templar Omni "R"
variant model number of "TLR-OR" should be "TLR1-OR" to match the rest of the original Templar variants. http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6852/templar-tlr-or

Also, again, not sure if this is intentional or not, the Ares Super Heavy Tripod MUL AlphaStrike "special" for http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6685/ares-ars-v1-zeus and all variants, are missing the "Omni" keyword.