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Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« on: 20 March 2024, 08:49:25 »
I'm surprised there's not a thread about this already, but what the hell, I'll do it. I'm a diehard fan of the game series, and much like Battletech I never wanted a movie or series because I never have trusted anyone to get it right- there's too much risk of ending up with a movie like Doom, or a series like Halo, for me to want to see one of my absolute favorite fictional universes get wrung out like that.

The reason this one means so much to me is personal. In 2007, I moved from my hometown of Denver to Washington D.C., and it was a culture shock. I was starting a new job, I was suddenly living in a city I'd never been to before, knew all of one person (former Battletech line dev Ben Rome, but he lived across town from where I was now living)... I'm not the most social person, so I was very lonely and struggling. And as I was still trying to adjust to life there, Fallout 3 came out. I knew the series well, but it was different this time- and not because it was first-person. I was in the same city I was learning to live in! I was seeing the same places in the morning on my way to work as I was seeing the prior evening in the game! It was a major part of my coping mechanism, as sad as that sounds, and so Fallout 3- and the series in-general- are very dear to me. I continue to be a huge fan to this day (my wife and I both are avid Fallout 76 players)

So when Amazon announced 'Fallout', I got worried about crappy-looking effects, bad acting, dumb stories by people who aren't familiar with the universe the games have forged over the last quarter-century... this was a nightmare for me. And for all the optimism that The Last Of Us gave me- a series that looked at its source material and NAILED the tone, setting, and casting, there was... well, a Halo, a Doom, a Wing Commander...

We're now a few weeks from launch here, we have a couple of trailers up, a full scene posted (I'm having trouble getting links to work as I type this, but they're easy to find on Youtube- sorry!), and... this looks more like the former, guys. The casting looks REALLY good (I'm a longtime Walter Goggins fan anyway), the sets look like they could have been pulled right out of Fallout 4 screenshots, and they made a very interesting choice by basing the game several years ahead of the events of FO4 (and a continent away). There's no retelling of a prior story the way The Last Of Us did, they're telling a new tale in a familiar universe, disconnected from anything prior. The places are familiar (looks like we're back in the old NCR!), but the people, and their story, is all-new.

Couldn't be happier with what I'm seeing so far- can't wait for April 12 to finally watch this.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #1 on: 20 March 2024, 10:42:16 »
i think there was a thread about the show being made a bit over a year ago...u guess no one wanted to play a necromancer with that one...
btw some scenes were filmed in long island...went to see the set when my friend was visiting me while back...
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« Reply #2 on: 21 March 2024, 12:02:50 »
I wonder if the long island scenes were flashbacks? Either depicting the pre-war world, or the post-war backstory of a BOS member. We see a prydwyn type airship show up, so the east coast BOS has some involvement despite the story being set on the westcoast.

there are some hints in interviews and the trailers that the NCR no longer has control of the parts of California that the show starts in, could be the resource crunch that got indicated was coming by NCR officials in fallout new vegas actually did hit, and the NCR either shrunk heavily around its core territory at shady sands and vault city, or perhaps collapsed entirely.

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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #3 on: 21 March 2024, 13:11:09 »
li set was made into a desert it was on a lot that had a local shoprite store that closed....
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #4 on: 22 March 2024, 18:18:37 »
I just hope it is a Fallout Show like the game instead of the Halo TV show
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« Reply #5 on: 07 April 2024, 10:40:06 »
I’ve never played the games and I’m only vaguely familiar with them, but I’m excited for the series. Everything looks top notch so far.

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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #6 on: 11 April 2024, 11:19:02 »
Wife and I got in the first two episodes last night. I'll put up thoughts with spoiler tags later, but for now... I'm very happy. There's a few minor hiccups for me- the flying power armor we saw in one of the previews just... never really looks all that good, honestly, it always is very obviously on wires and doesn't move around in the air well. And that's about it- everything else,even small details like seeing familiar products in a pile of garbage, or the FO4/76 HUD for power armor on the view inside of the character's helmet, were just perfectly done. Probably won't get in more of it until Friday evening- ironically, my evening tonight will be taken up with my Fallout 76 gaming group- but looking forward to seeing where they go with this.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #7 on: 11 April 2024, 11:42:04 »
are they releasing this episode by episode, or multiple at a time?

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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #8 on: 11 April 2024, 12:34:02 »
are they releasing this episode by episode, or multiple at a time?

Amazon dropped all eight episodes (all of season 1) in one go.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #9 on: 11 April 2024, 13:21:22 »
Starting episode 1 right now. Was pleasantly surprised to see that all 8 episodes dropped.

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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #10 on: 11 April 2024, 17:44:20 »
I'm 3 episodes in and I've really enjoyed it so far

I disliked the flying power armour but I think it was done to avoid the "superhero landing" of a full thrust, I think it was to just show we're bigger and better we don't care how we look

Loved the tone and layout of the story and they kept the violence like a fallout game (ridiculous and bloody)
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #11 on: 11 April 2024, 20:35:02 »
Watching the first episode now.
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« Reply #12 on: 12 April 2024, 17:43:39 »
Some of the critics have lambasted this.  The rancor is strong in some circles.

And I'm over here like, "I was already sold on it!"
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #13 on: 13 April 2024, 08:11:58 »
Watched 2 episodes so far, it was really good. Its got some of the standard operating procedure in TV shows. It's funny and bloody and gory all at the same time.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #14 on: 13 April 2024, 09:49:10 »
I've gotten to episode 4 so far and the one thing that annoys me is that there's a recap at the beginning of each episode.  It seems like very pointless padding for a streaming show.
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« Reply #15 on: 13 April 2024, 10:35:09 »
I’m 3 episodes in and like it. No major complaints at all aside from the recaps, but that seems to be a thing in a lot of the series I’ve watched. I did keep falling asleep in episode two and three, so I had to rewatch them, but it wasn’t because they were bad, it was because I was trying to watch them while exhausted.

Not having more than a passing knowledge of the game/franchise, I like the flashback stuff and how they’re building the story. It’s nice to watch something without “knowing what to expect”.

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« Reply #16 on: 13 April 2024, 13:55:47 »
Yes.  I also prefer self-contained shows or movies that don't require a "what you need to know" article or essay.  Make back story part of the unfolding narrative.
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« Reply #17 on: 13 April 2024, 16:39:42 »
Yes.  I also prefer self-contained shows or movies that don't require a "what you need to know" article or essay.  Make back story part of the unfolding narrative.

No, they're not doing lore dumps, they're doing "previously on" recaps of what's happened in previous episodes as if we were watching this show on broadcast television and we only got one shot to see each episode before the summer reruns.
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« Reply #18 on: 14 April 2024, 05:18:49 »
No, they're not doing lore dumps, they're doing "previously on" recaps of what's happened in previous episodes as if we were watching this show on broadcast television and we only got one shot to see each episode before the summer reruns.

And I'm still glad the show is self-contained even if they do campy re-caps like old serial radio broadcasts or TV shows.  Adds to the 1950's feel.
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« Reply #19 on: 14 April 2024, 08:05:38 »
My wife is a big fan of the games- when her dad was terminally ill, a few months into our dating, she asked how I dealt with difficult times in my life, and one of my fallback coping mechanisms is a good, engrossing game- something that allows me to lose myself for an hour or so into a world that isn't the one I'm struggling with. Fallout being a favorite of mine, I suggested she try Fallout 4 out- she's not a gamer traditionally, had never played anything first-person before... we're now a couple of weeks from our fifth wedding anniversary, and make regular 'date-nights' out of Fallout 76 together on the dual-Xbox setup in our home (and often join people from the forums, so if you're on Xbox send me a note sometime!)

So this was always going to be something we were doing together, her and I. The wrinkle is that she just had abdominal surgery a few weeks ago, and still isn't feeling great, so it took us a few days to get through the show- we wrapped up Ep. 8 last night, and we're both very happy with what we got out of this.

A few scattered notes, and THERE ARE SPOILERS IN HERE.

+Little details had us both very happy- the appearance of things like the FO4 Junk Jet in a scene gave her a laugh. For me, seeing the classic-era 10mm pistol (and later, the current-era version too) was a nice touch since we're back on the California coast here. Even just random objects in the background of scenes- Sunset Sarsaparilla ads, Abraxo containers, etc.- it shows there was an attention to not just detail, but a true love of this universe by the writers and creators for this show that goes above and beyond merely making a show and slapping a thin universe-themed veneer over it the way Halo felt like it did.

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+Still not thrilled with the look of the jumping power armor- not just that it looks like it's on wires, that was disappointing, but from a practical, in-universe standpoint as well. Max (and later Hank) jumped while their hands were empty, but Brotherhood troops appear to be issued those massive assault rifles in this show, and we regularly see them in other media holding other heavy weapons like miniguns. How would you hold a minigun and still utilize the hand-jets? One of the VERY few things that I frowned at across the eight episodes.

+Best wife line: When one of the vertibirds in the last episode got hit and spun out of control; "...NOW it feels like a Brotherhood pilot."

I frightened my cats with my yell of joy at the last shot of Hank approaching New Vegas. I also was intrigued by the apparent damage to the city in the closing animation- the big breach in the wall next to the iconic Vegas sign is worrying, and the buildings in the animation (aside from the Lucky 38) looked kind of skeletal- including what would have been some of the casinos that were running 15 years prior when we last saw them. I'll be interested to see what happened here...

+...and it brings up the question many fans are asking, 'what is the canon ending?'. Based on the damage here, and the beating NCR took over the last few years? I'm not entirely sure the answer isn't 'Legion won'.

+Meanwhile, Vault-Tec. Let's take a moment there. When people talk about evil organizations in games, I've always put them right up with Umbrella as being the worst of the worst, but... man, maybe I underestimated them after all. To not just be (apparently) behind the Great War to begin with, but then to be surreptitiously pulling the strings for the next two centuries- including destroying the capital of the NCR in what looks to be another nuclear strike!- that's beyond anything I figured they were capable of. And having gone through a few of their Vaults, that says a LOT.


Anyway. Many thoughts around this, and greatly looking forward to Season 2, which based on the tax cuts Amazon is being given, the enthusiasm from cast and fans, and the cliffhanger endings for the characters, seems to be inevitable. Rumor is that filming starts in September '24, so fingers crossed.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #20 on: 14 April 2024, 10:22:30 »
It was a good show. I liked the episodes and the show thru the first season. They actually tried to make a Fallout show that was close to the original game. Many show adaptations of games can't seem to do that, or even close to it. Was it perfect, no nothing ever is. It was good and I give it a 7 out of 10.
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« Reply #21 on: 14 April 2024, 14:05:04 »
I saw that Amazon Prime members can get a free download of Fallout 76, in celebration of the show. I'm downloading it now!

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« Reply #22 on: 14 April 2024, 16:59:01 »
If only my ancient machine could support that game... ::)

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« Reply #23 on: 14 April 2024, 17:56:38 »
Up to episode 6 so far and I've noticed that there's been a distinct lack of super mutants, radscorpions, or deathclaws so far.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #24 on: 15 April 2024, 00:58:06 »
I have a fond memories of Fallout 1&2 so I decided to give this one a chance, but couldn't make it through the first episode. Lackluster all around, got better things to do with my time.
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« Reply #25 on: 15 April 2024, 07:00:19 »
Up to episode 6 so far and I've noticed that there's been a distinct lack of super mutants, radscorpions, or deathclaws so far.

I mean, the idea was never to do a one-and-done season. Leave some stuff to bring out for the second season, don't throw it all on the screen at once!

Besides, without spoiling too much... keep an eye out, one of your three will be making a cameo.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #26 on: 15 April 2024, 09:11:09 »
A supermutant did make a cameo. Remember that scene in the Enclave Remnant, where a sheet covered body was wheeled off? That wasnt a normal human hand.

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« Reply #27 on: 15 April 2024, 10:08:19 »
I mean, the idea was never to do a one-and-done season. Leave some stuff to bring out for the second season, don't throw it all on the screen at once!

Besides, without spoiling too much... keep an eye out, one of your three will be making a cameo.
Still haven't found time to watch through, but from the articles before it dropped, it sounds like the BoS patrols a big area, so presumably they keep most of that big dangerous stuff in check.

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« Reply #28 on: 15 April 2024, 16:10:15 »
I hope deathclaws make it to the screen.  And I really hope they make it one of the scariest scenes on any type of mass media, since when you spot a deathclaw in the game it already knew you were there and you'd better be ready to fight like hell!   

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« Reply #29 on: 15 April 2024, 16:29:17 »
It occurs to me that a Deathclaw attack would be a perfect place to show off the Fatman.
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« Reply #30 on: 16 April 2024, 09:53:29 »
Just finished episode 8, and I’m impressed and excited for season 2. It really did come full circle on the four different plot threads (Lucy, Maximus, Norm, and Cooper), tie them all together and then tie them into the greater plot that’ll be Season 2. I can’t speak to the references to the game (and I totally missed the super mutant hand cameo), but I still really liked it.

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« Reply #31 on: 16 April 2024, 10:16:03 »
watching it in spurts
love what the set designers had done! its like the sets themselves are characters like actors that play in them. this is rare since most shows try to upstage actors with sets to hide bad acting and story telling
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« Reply #32 on: 16 April 2024, 14:22:44 »
No, they're not doing lore dumps, they're doing "previously on" recaps of what's happened in previous episodes as if we were watching this show on broadcast television and we only got one shot to see each episode before the summer reruns.

the producer has come out saying he doesn't like whole season drops, and prefers slow episodic release. so it is possible he made the show the way he preferred (meant to be released an episode a week or whatever), and Amazon just decided to drop it all at once anyway.

given previous amazon programming like rings of power was released in episodic fashion, and that drew a lot of flak (and the narrative for each episode in the media tended to be focused on how questionable so much of the writing and production was for each shows budget), it is possible amazon dropped it all at once in an effort to insulate itself if the show was a dud.. only for it to be good and have that quick release actually harm its public presence some.

i wonder if season 2 will continue the season drops or go back to episodic
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« Reply #33 on: 16 April 2024, 14:51:03 »
I don't think that a quick release harmed it too much: streaming shows being dropped a season at a time is not unpopular.  I just feel that recaps are not generally necessary for streaming shows because you can easily go back and rewatch older episodes if you feel like you're missing something.
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« Reply #34 on: 16 April 2024, 17:20:20 »
There’s also that little box on the lower left that says “Skip Recap”. But I gripe about that because I always forget that there is a recap in most of the shows I watch and by the time I get through all the menus and get the show started, I’ve already set my remote down, 😆

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+...and it brings up the question many fans are asking, 'what is the canon ending?'. Based on the damage here, and the beating NCR took over the last few years? I'm not entirely sure the answer isn't 'Legion won'.





A YouTuber I was watching pointed out that the Strip is littered with Securitrons covered in claw marks and Deathclaw skulls. So, what if House won and the Strip was overrun by the Deathclaw horde from the unmarked Deathclaw plateau on the south side of the New Vegas map?

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« Reply #36 on: 17 April 2024, 20:39:54 »
Well I finished it today I must say I was seriously impressed it stayed very true to how the games felt, I liked the gimmick of 33 as well that was clever. All three mains were great, I liked how they told Coopers path too that was clever. All three actors did a great job

I loved the board meeting where they were deciding exactly how things were going to be broken up with the Vaults including the wink to the Super mutant FEV vault. I enjoyed how they pinned the whole thing on them and showed it's still going on

Also how broken Lucy was when she realised the world kept ticking even without the vault dwellees, all in all it was very well done
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #37 on: 20 April 2024, 11:33:19 »
have to admit the music from f3 and f4 makes a nice touch
ghouls going feral when not given meds can fall into fallout universe dont forget not all ghouls were the same and some dont go feral at all while some can regress and it was fun to see some were actually smart enough to either post pone or halt feralization with meds...and vault lore is pretty spot on from the creators bible of the games
 a lot of things are played to absurd levels goes back to first fallout games which is what made fo games fun.
have t admit acting is pretty good and seems more natural than most shows and the pc stuff is on minimal which is a refreshing touch
and hope the flavor and standard will continue to next seasons...yeas second season confirmed and of it is as good as first it has a nice future ahead as long as it stays true within fo creators bible
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #38 on: 01 May 2024, 15:14:50 »
Just finished episode 1, and so far the only thing that bothers me is that vault 33 was stocked with british submachine guns.

For some reason that just nags at me.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #39 on: 01 May 2024, 15:41:50 »
Just finished episode 1, and so far the only thing that bothers me is that vault 33 was stocked with british submachine guns.

For some reason that just nags at me.

Jonathan Ferguson from the Royal Armory similarly found it amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsP9CGq3dL8
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #40 on: 01 May 2024, 17:11:33 »
well dont forget according to fallout bible our reality and fallout they diverged sometimes in the 50s
so any weapons could had been anywhere...plus vault tek had different vaults do different things and load outs
i think in fo3 (?)i came across mention of control vaults that were not to be opened at all
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #41 on: 01 May 2024, 17:23:45 »
Fallout's always been pretty weird about weapon availability, with stuff that just sort of inexplicably shows up in one region without explanation.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #42 on: 01 May 2024, 22:24:46 »
And now I'm out of episodes to watch.

(and here I thought I might not get through them with only a week worth of prime)

Thoughts:
*The only thing that could definitely be considered a retcon seems to be the location of Shady Sands. Which is annoying, but it could have been worse.
*Honestly, the idea of ghouls staving off the feral state with drugs is an interesting and reasonable development. The point where a ghoul goes feral was always highly variable, and we have past indications that it isn't an instant change, so with so many ghouls in the wasteland it's an obvious field of research. I have to wonder when this treatment regimen was developed and by who. NCR would be a reasonable choice, but since there were pre-war experiments with creating ghouls this too could have been a vault tec product.
(Or maybe a Ghoul who felt his mind slipping just started downing mentats and had a eureka)
*It's kinda sad, but the simplest way to get the classic fallout feel and still set it close to los angeles probably was to nuke the NCR. It's kinda hard to get the grim and gritty part down when you set it in the most populous and stable nation on the continent. I do have to wonder how much of NCR might still remain as a functioning state.
*Maximus is a moron.
*New Vegas isn't looking so hot. I would have preferred otherwise. But the presence of an NCR vertibird and Securitrons suggests that Caesar didn't win at hoover dam, and whatever befell the city (deathclaw swarm?) saw the NCR present for the fight. So probably an indication that the nuking of Shady Sands wasn't the only attack launched on the NCR and/or their partners. (ooh, maybe the haze means the "player" of that timeline's new vegas skipped dead money and Elijah's on the loose)

Did I enjoy it? Well I binged it in one sitting.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #43 on: Today at 00:01:05 »
The "grim and gritty" is actually a bit of a retcon itself.

As was pointed out in Jimquisition's video on the show, the Fallout setting was originally a post apocalyptic setting where humanity was starting to claw its way back into civilization.  Fallout 3 and 4 were originally the weirdos that stuck out for having a setting where it looks like the bombs were dropped only a few months or years ago rather than about two centuries and everyone was still living in squalid, burned out ruins.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #44 on: Today at 00:17:25 »
The "grim and gritty" is actually a bit of a retcon itself.

As was pointed out in Jimquisition's video on the show, the Fallout setting was originally a post apocalyptic setting where humanity was starting to claw its way back into civilization.  Fallout 3 and 4 were originally the weirdos that stuck out for having a setting where it looks like the bombs were dropped only a few months or years ago rather than about two centuries and everyone was still living in squalid, burned out ruins.

I don't know if I completely agree with that. The "just bombed yesterday" aesthetics, sure, but it was still a grim and gritty universe in the first two games. Sure, there was a sign that a slow recovery was coming, but it was very much a wild "tribal/city state" environment rather than the large, relatively organized state that the NCR was by Fallout New Vegas. There's a reason those games were deliberately set away from the actual interior of the NCR.

(I also found out today that Shady Sands was supposed to have been destroyed in Van Buren)
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #45 on: Today at 00:31:34 »
It wasn't a nice universe, but there was actual movement toward recovery.  And large swathes of the regions were actually fairly decent places, like Klamath or Goodsprings.  Even The Den and New Reno in Fallout 2 were portrayed as much more functional than Filly.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #46 on: Today at 00:36:27 »
You mean the den with the slavers and all the drugs and the random pickpocketing children (and that one area where you can pimp out your wife for extra caps) or New Reno with its impending gang war and the streets lined with drug addicted prostitutes?
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #47 on: Today at 00:40:27 »
Yes.  It might have been the limitations of the game engine, but you were still generally safer there than how Filly was portrayed.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #48 on: Today at 00:47:39 »
Yes.  It might have been the limitations of the game engine, but you were still generally safer there than how Filly was portrayed.

Honestly, I don't buy it. I don't think Filly would have been much different than the Den or Goodneighbor if it had been presented in a game rather than in a TV show.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #49 on: Today at 01:01:15 »
Maybe.

Could also be the difference between Lucy (as the Honest Trailers put it, a Speech Specialist who dump-statted Charisma) and Maximus when compared to any of the game protagonists.
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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #50 on: Today at 10:35:14 »
It is worth noting that fallout new vegas dropped lots of info on how the NCR was overstretching itself.. how they were overusing and depleting the clean water sources, how the brahmin barons had gotten so much wealth and political power that they could ignore and overrule the local NCR government, how the NCR was rapidly expanding their territory with annexation and "colonization efforts" yet lacked the trained personnel, materials, and military resources to actually intergrate and secure said regions without leaving their core territory vulnerable. Of course, these details are dropped across multiple NPCs in various side quests and you have to read through their full dialog trees, not just the quest specific dialog..

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Re: Fallout: Exploding onto your screen April 2024
« Reply #51 on: Today at 14:34:13 »
And we don't know which ending is the one in the show's timeline.

Though honestly I think that the weirdest part in the show was reestablishing both the Enclave and the Brotherhood as dominant powers in the region.
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