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Tell me about...the Cerberus
« on: 05 August 2011, 10:54:20 »
Thinking about adding one to the ranks. Any good? What are the best variants?

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #1 on: 05 August 2011, 11:51:56 »
It is expensive, it is faster than a lot of other ninety five ton mechs, most variants carry two gauss rifles and medium lasers and medium pulse lasers as back up weapons.  It has an anti-missile system to make incoming missiles a little less of a problem.  It lacks CASE.  It has an XL engine which makes its less durable.  Still it can kill other mechs.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #2 on: 05 August 2011, 12:00:54 »
That standard Cerberus's main weakness is relatively thin armor compared to other mechs that big. All 'mech design is based on the principle of Firepower, Armor, Speed, pick two. While most assaults take firepower and armor, the Cerberus chose speed instead of armor, resulting in something that can easily keep up with heavy 'mech formations while delivering assault-grade firepower, but cannot take the same kind of firepower in return. If you can give it good escorts, keep it at long range, or use the firepower overwhelmingly to quickly kill your enemies, this can be a very good 'mech for you. However, if you plan to slug it out against other assaults or otherwise get in the thick of things, you might be advised to take something more durable.

One variant does address the armor by replacing one of the Gauss Rifles for an ER PPC, as well as additional pulse lasers, using the saved mass for armor and heat sinks. This version lacks the crushing long-range firepower of a dual Gauss design, but makes up for it with serious close-in punch, as well as the armor to stand up to those Gauss-toters long enough to close and use those pulse lasers.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #3 on: 05 August 2011, 12:09:06 »
Like Weirdo said, it's an overgrown heavy 'Mech in its base configurations.  The -V3 fixes some of the armor problems by dropping the (mostly useless) machine guns.

Used as an up-gunned heavy, the Cerberus is quite effective.  Used as a true assault 'Mech, it folds rather quickly because the common variants have the armor of a heavy.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #4 on: 05 August 2011, 12:12:23 »
Exactly. 8)

This is probably one reason why the FWLM likes the design so much. They use it to support the heavies that do the real work, rather than trying to use their Cerberii and Albatrosses as linebreakers. That's what Banshees and Siroccos are for.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #5 on: 05 August 2011, 12:47:07 »
Would a summary of the thoughts above be that it mirrors a WW1-2 BattleCruiser?
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #6 on: 05 August 2011, 12:53:59 »
Headscratcher:

"Similar in shape to the Star League King Crab..."

Huh? ???

Have you seen the two?  ::)

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #7 on: 05 August 2011, 14:18:03 »
That's been errata'ed out in later printings. One of the reasons Herb's very very hard-line on coordinating art, stats & fluff.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #8 on: 05 August 2011, 15:27:50 »
Headscratcher:

"Similar in shape to the Star League King Crab..."

Huh? ???

Have you seen the two?  ::)

I guess if you take the Cerberus' body and hunch it forward instead of upright... maybe... kinda? Not really, but... I'm stretching here, work with me. ;)

To add in here, PPC version? Damned good Mech if you use it right. Standard? If any twin-gauss assault can be called a lemon, we've found it.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #9 on: 05 August 2011, 17:35:16 »
Headscratcher:

"Similar in shape to the Star League King Crab..."

Huh? ???

Have you seen the two?  ::)

I guess if you take the Cerberus' body and hunch it forward instead of upright... maybe... kinda? Not really, but... I'm stretching here, work with me. ;)

Y'see, I read that and did mentally hunch the Cereberus forward and assumed it was a fairly 2-dimensional (tall, wide but not hefty) build... and now you say it was errata  :'(
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #10 on: 05 August 2011, 19:44:47 »
Always done pretty well by me, even before the no MG variant debuted.  Its a great Mech to hang back and rain gauss on anything trying to get past the line mechs.  The thing I liked best was the MPLs, and the ERPPC added two more.  Since it had ranged weapons already, I was able to fire those first and have the pulse bonus still for anything closing in that didn't deserve gauss attention.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #11 on: 05 August 2011, 23:04:44 »
Standard? If any twin-gauss assault can be called a lemon, we've found it.

It's not a lemon, it's a Marik! Remember, they like their assaults to have firepower, but the speed and armor of heavies, to better support the heavies without getting delusional. It fits them perfectly.
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« Reply #12 on: 05 August 2011, 23:15:57 »
Except the Awesomes.  A lot of the Awesomes are pretty at home in the classic assault role.  It's a pity we've never gotten a really  modernized Marik Stalker.  (No, the Narc variant does not count.)

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« Reply #13 on: 05 August 2011, 23:21:24 »
The Awesome -9M is one of the triumphs of Marik engineering. They boosted the speed and the firepower, all without sacrificing armor. Okay, they did sacrifice a bit of durability by adding ammo and the XL, but it still has the vast armor shell.

As for the Stalker, it's one of the rare slow assaults Marik still uses, and I'll admit the upgrade is a bit odd. I don't hate it as much, though. Long-range firepower is boosted since you've got the ER Large to join the LRMs, you sadly lose the mid-range punch of the twin LLs, but I guess you just stick to the ER and LRMs until you get really close and let rip with the close-in stuff, as well as the NARC that boosts your SRMs. The NARC is not something you will try to fire early in the game. You try to stay at long range as long as possible, using the NARC as a threat. They get close, your SRMs get much better, as do all the missiles of your buddies. I wouldn't even bother putting NARC-compatible ammo in the LRM bins.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #14 on: 05 August 2011, 23:47:12 »
The Awesome -9M is one of the triumphs of Marik engineering. They boosted the speed and the firepower, all without sacrificing armor. Okay, they did sacrifice a bit of durability by adding ammo and the XL, but it still has the vast armor shell.

If they tossed the ammo for a couple of SPLs, I'd be a lot happier.  XLFEs are one thing.  XLFEs with Streak 2 ammo you'll rarely manage to empty out in an extended campaign are quite another.

As for the Stalker, it's one of the rare slow assaults Marik still uses, and I'll admit the upgrade is a bit odd. I don't hate it as much, though. Long-range firepower is boosted since you've got the ER Large to join the LRMs, you sadly lose the mid-range punch of the twin LLs, but I guess you just stick to the ER and LRMs until you get really close and let rip with the close-in stuff, as well as the NARC that boosts your SRMs. The NARC is not something you will try to fire early in the game. You try to stay at long range as long as possible, using the NARC as a threat. They get close, your SRMs get much better, as do all the missiles of your buddies. I wouldn't even bother putting NARC-compatible ammo in the LRM bins.

Yeah, it's not bad, but the loss of firepower to the Narc is kind of galling for me.  I'd prefer to use ON1-Ms to threaten someone that way and let the Stalkers play ranged beat stick to maximum efficiency.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #15 on: 06 August 2011, 00:04:03 »
What probably bothered me the most about the Cerberus was that the MGs not only ate up tonnage dearly needed for armor, they were also completely useless for their stated purpose, Elementals will be annoyed by them at best. The newer fluff changed that to a general "anti-infantry" at least.
Ofcourse in a strange and twisted way, it did even fit. Just like the Snake or the Huron Warrior version, it shows efforts to come up with counters to Elementals without ever having really seen, much less fought, one.
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As for the Stalker, 3050u did mention a 5M upgrade, but i've never seen stats for it?

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #16 on: 06 August 2011, 05:42:19 »

As for the Stalker, 3050u did mention a 5M upgrade, but i've never seen stats for it?

well megamek has the stalker 6M which removes the srms and ammo in exchange for upping the lrm 10s to lrm 15s and swapping the medium lasers for er mediums. Quite a simple but decent upgrade.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #17 on: 06 August 2011, 07:52:17 »
Sounds pretty nice, but nothing in MegaMek should be considered canon until corroborated by an outside source. Even the 'Canon units only' function in that thing cannot be trusted.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #18 on: 06 August 2011, 08:06:17 »
Our warchest/Dawn of the Jihad campaign just finished up with expanded Final Curtain campaign.  In the final battle, we faced baseline Cerberus.   

It gave a good fight with mighty twin causes, but in end it XL and thin arm didn't help it survive the final battle.

I actually ended up with the thing through salvage. Since i could get 'Mechs i wanted for the 5M since i couldn't get C3 unit my i wanted.  Its armored enough, i just hope it lasts.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #19 on: 06 August 2011, 08:08:30 »
Sounds pretty nice, but nothing in MegaMek should be considered canon until corroborated by an outside source. Even the 'Canon units only' function in that thing cannot be trusted.

The 6M is the upgrade mentioned in 3050U. I never understood why that variant didn't get a record sheet.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #20 on: 06 August 2011, 08:19:49 »
That intrigues me greatly. While I don't have the loathing of the -5M that others have, there's potential in there for some serious fun and firepower. It'd be nice to have a second brute force assault to send alongside the Siroccos when the urge to play that way arises.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #21 on: 06 August 2011, 08:22:16 »
The 6M is the upgrade mentioned in 3050U. I never understood why that variant didn't get a record sheet.

It could been typo, I looked at my 3050U and did initially see a mentioning of the Cerberus
 or a 6M model.   3055U has not mention of a 6M, just the 6B. 
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« Reply #22 on: 06 August 2011, 08:52:57 »
It could been typo, I looked at my 3050U and did initially see a mentioning of the Cerberus
 or a 6M model.   3055U has not mention of a 6M, just the 6B. 

We're talking about the Stalker.  Weirdo mentioned normal Marik assault tricks, I mentioned their more classic assault designs, and things snowballed.  And yeah, there should be a 5M, although it sounds a lot like the Royal.  Seems like it has Narc and another ML in place of the second ERLL.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #23 on: 06 August 2011, 11:34:42 »
I like the comment earlier about it being similar to a battlecruiser.  Fast for its sized, well-armed, but can't take the heat.
 
I still think it'd be way better if the dropped all the superfluous crap (to whit, the MGs, AMS, and 2 extra DHS that it can never use unless hit with infernos or fighting in a fire).  That alone would let you effectively max the armor, and aside from perhaps the AMS, those are pretty intuitive moves.
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« Reply #24 on: 06 August 2011, 12:21:18 »
Yeah, that would all help.  On the other hand, it's a 4/6 double Gauss.  I can find uses for that.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #25 on: 07 August 2011, 00:41:49 »
What probably bothered me the most about the Cerberus was that the MGs not only ate up tonnage dearly needed for armor, they were also completely useless for their stated purpose, Elementals will be annoyed by them at best.
The -V3 is a nice field refit and my favorite variant of the cerberus.
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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #26 on: 07 August 2011, 14:31:25 »
We're talking about the Stalker.  Weirdo mentioned normal Marik assault tricks, I mentioned their more classic assault designs, and things snowballed.  And yeah, there should be a 5M, although it sounds a lot like the Royal.  Seems like it has Narc and another ML in place of the second ERLL.

The Stalker 5M was the standard one in 3050 and 3050r.  The single heat sinks are swapped to 17 doubles.  And yeah, Narc and whatnot.
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« Reply #27 on: 07 August 2011, 14:38:28 »
I meant the 6M there.

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Re: Tell me about...the Cerberus
« Reply #28 on: 07 August 2011, 14:47:15 »
I meant the 6M there.

That's the one that has Arrow IV, an Inferno SRM 2 and...no, wait, that was the one we made in MW2 Mercenaries.  I have no idea what the 6M is.  Sorry.
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« Reply #29 on: 07 August 2011, 15:28:26 »
The 6M is mentioned in TRO3050U but lacks a record sheet along with a few other units from the book (the main one that comes to mind is the original Trebuchet).

 

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