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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #330 on: 12 January 2019, 05:28:08 »
Surely there was some sort of passage way from one part to another
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #331 on: 12 January 2019, 05:56:38 »
Surely there was some sort of passage way from one part to another

Yep :) What you're just seeing the main pressure hulls there, each one was interconnected by their own bulkheads and water tight compartments/doors etc.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #332 on: 12 January 2019, 06:40:26 »
Donskoy has been decommed IINM. Or not sailing operationally at least. It's all on the Boreis now.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #333 on: 12 January 2019, 11:46:11 »
She was out a year ago, got a bunch of news doing various things across 2017; concluding with surfacing through ice in the White Sea on December 28.  Pops up again in June 2018 https://www.rt.com/news/428510-russian-northern-fleet-anniversary/ here, behind Velikiy.

Meanwhile Kuznetsov's still got a big hole in her flight deck from the crane collapse; according to the Ukrainians Moscow is planning to send her to China for repairs since they don't have dock facilities to handle her.  Grain of salt and all that, but I really feel bad for the Russian Navy if this is all they can do.  Pride hurts...
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #334 on: 12 January 2019, 13:58:50 »
What dig is, the Chinese may show how repairing a ship like her is done. As it stands, their more experts repairing Kuznetsov-Class Aircraft Carriers than Russians are.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #335 on: 12 January 2019, 14:58:38 »
Front half of an Akula class under construction ...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #336 on: 12 January 2019, 15:12:45 »
An Akula, or a Typhoon?  ???

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #337 on: 12 January 2019, 15:20:53 »
Soviet's name for them was Akula. NATO code was Typhoon. Same reason I call them Mad Dogs and Mist Lynxs ;)
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #338 on: 12 January 2019, 15:24:50 »
The first Project 971 boat (K-284) was also named "Akula", so it wasn't just NATO confusing things.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #339 on: 12 January 2019, 16:09:13 »
The Akula/Typhoon was quite a amazing boat.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #340 on: 12 January 2019, 16:44:41 »
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #341 on: 12 January 2019, 21:12:40 »
What dig is, the Chinese may show how repairing a ship like her is done. As it stands, their more experts repairing Kuznetsov-Class Aircraft Carriers than Russians are.

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I don't think that's Kuznetsov.  The helicopter flying near the bow looks like a Harbin Z-9.

Edit:  On second though (and looking a some pics of the Kuznetsov and Liaoning) I guess that does look like Kuznetsov. 
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #342 on: 12 January 2019, 23:09:48 »
I don't think that's Kuznetsov.  The helicopter flying near the bow looks like a Harbin Z-9.

Edit:  On second though (and looking a some pics of the Kuznetsov and Liaoning) I guess that does look like Kuznetsov.
Ack, i think your right.  I missed the obvious clues it's Russian ship.



The Kuznetsov beat up, has dark smoke from it's stacks, has Russian red star and her registration number.   :P
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #343 on: 13 January 2019, 02:46:18 »


Not sure if this goes here or in the plane post.

and there's a nice gallery of the Soviet WiGE stuff here - https://imgur.com/gallery/ezf3Pkt
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #344 on: 13 January 2019, 11:46:20 »


Not sure if this goes here or in the plane post.

and there's a nice gallery of the Soviet WiGE stuff here - https://imgur.com/gallery/ezf3Pkt


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #345 on: 14 January 2019, 04:25:33 »
Breaking news:

US Navy discovers deck gun ammunition is less expensive than guided missiles

Now, for something that's a real picture and - despite being a Confederate ship - is worthy of recognition, at least as a tough but short-lived combatant with a gutsy crew and captain.



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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #346 on: 14 January 2019, 07:09:31 »
You forgot the most important thing, the ship's name. CSS Arkansas, btw, when checking the link in the foto
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #347 on: 14 January 2019, 21:39:48 »
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #348 on: 14 January 2019, 23:46:16 »
If I was to recreate her in TW...

What armaments would you gents recommend for her? Wooden hull and BAR 7ish armor?

Heavy Rifle Cannon or more Medium weight? 8 tons for 6 ammo, 12 Long, 2 Min. vs. 5 tons for 9 ammo, 15 Long, 1 Min.?

Or run LAC/5's?

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #349 on: 15 January 2019, 00:09:01 »
Do you want something that's accurate to the stats or something playable?

Because honestly Civil War era guns and armor shouldn't even register on mech scale combat.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #350 on: 15 January 2019, 00:13:11 »
Well historically, yes... but let's say that a Periphery water world want's to increase it's waterhole defenses...

What recommendations would you suggest? Class C and under Factory Mods only...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #351 on: 15 January 2019, 09:19:14 »
For guns firing solid shot, don't ever go higher than a light rifle. Useless against armored stuff, could be a threat to unarmored units, and a hilarious surprise against BA. For stuff with explosive shells, I'd go with the medium rifle.

Basically, the weaker, the better. If a mech-only player looks at your record sheet and grudgingly admits you might be a threat, you did it wrong and need to downgrade.
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« Reply #352 on: 15 January 2019, 11:09:33 »
I'm wondering if the weapons should be statted as Protomech ACs or Recoiless Rifles rather than mech-scale weaponry.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #353 on: 15 January 2019, 11:15:54 »
PACs are mech scale weapons?  In fact, some Clan mechs are built with them, and I think a few Omnis have them in configs.

And since L/M/H Recoilless Rifles do full damage to the armor . . . ?
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #354 on: 15 January 2019, 12:16:51 »
Well let's see. CSS Arkansas and many monitors of her class carried a number of guns. I'll pick the 9-inch Dahlgrens just because I like the little soda-bottle oddities.

A quick Google claims that 9-inch Dahlgrens penetrate ~55mm of iron at ~250 meters. We're not going to talk about the hundreds of variables involved in this factoid.

Another quick Google gives the British 2pdr 40mm and US 37mm approximately the same performance.

XTRO:1945 gives both these weapons the same performance: 4 damage against BAR 5, 5/26/52/78, and for playing outside of the XTRO, the TW analogue is the Medium Recoilless Rifle - the battle-armour weapon.

The BA MRR incidentally has a range of 0/2/4/6 aka 0/60m/120m/180m, so it's more or less there I guess. 3 damage against BAR 10.

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #355 on: 15 January 2019, 12:24:16 »
Two things:

First, when you invoke XTRO 1945, you're pretty much conceding the argument. You know as well as anyone else that the numbers in there are purely for fun, and have no relation to any performance of real-world technologies in the Battletech setting.

Second, you guys need to please open a new thread for this stuff, and leave the rest of us our pretty pretty warships.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #356 on: 15 January 2019, 12:40:56 »
(shrug) it's the best we have, such as it is.

Rear view of a Stereguschiy class corvette. The Kh-35 "Harpoonskis" it carries are just barely visible between the mast and smokestack, positioned similar to how Harpoons are on Horizon-class frigates, with exhaust vents on the side of the ship.

This ship is the older subclass and carries Kashtan CIWS instead of the usual S-350 VLS SAMs.


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #357 on: 15 January 2019, 17:41:36 »
You know there more diversity on smaller ships than large ones nowadays.  Most large combatants (as they call them now, since destroyer, frigates, dare i say cruiser messih together since most almost same arrangement weapons and even vls tubes launchers.) while the small combatants have more design variance i think.

Here the Taiwanese Missile Craft in their service since 2014, the Missile Corvette Tuo Jiang.



She more offensive, than defensive.  She has 2 sets of 8 anti-ship missiles (Subsonic & Supersonic Per set), 76mm cannons up front, anti-submarine torpedoes, and only air defense is it's Phalanx CIWS.    She seems to be relaying perhaps too much for her stealth features for defense vs having anti-aircraft missiles.  I suspect the admiralty was thinks it's anti-aircraft destroyers will be able cover the ships while in combat.  However, despite being the lead ship of planned 12 ship class, she remains only member still after fours years being commissioned.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #358 on: 15 January 2019, 18:09:07 »
I suppose with smaller ships, each one's much less expensive than your typical major surface combatant, so you can afford to experiment a little and play with different things.  Compare the Tuo Jiang there with with the Norwegian Skjolds, for example.  Or those SEAL submersible stealth speedboats[url].

Plus, each of these tend to be limited in range to local areas, so you can craft things to specific sea profiles and not worry about 'but can it go around Cape Horn in sea state 8' for example.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #359 on: 15 January 2019, 18:09:59 »
Cost issues.

She's supposed to carry SAMs in place of the second set of subsonic SSMs, but they haven't developed those.

 

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