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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1110 on: 01 February 2019, 17:11:49 »
So how many houses went to war with the Feds? Or was this the act of a freshly unified but not yet standardized Empire?
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« Reply #1111 on: 01 February 2019, 17:42:42 »
So how many houses went to war with the Feds? Or was this the act of a freshly unified but not yet standardized Empire?

The houses were fractured and lashing out on their own between some time shortly after the end of Enterprise and the first episode of DISCO.  T'Kuvma's plan was to unite the council behind him and then use war against the Federation to bind them together.  When the Graveyard ship was destroyed and Kol killed, Klingon unity faltered and the houses pressed harder into the Federation to outdo one another.  When L'Rell appeared before the council and used the threat of the bomb in Qu'onos' volcanic network, she reunified the council behind her and declared an armistice with the Federation.  Standardisation is one of her post-war initiatives.
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« Reply #1112 on: 01 February 2019, 20:32:38 »
Okay, if they keep this up, I might have to actually watch this.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1113 on: 01 February 2019, 20:42:46 »
Rumor mill is suggesting that Disco is dead; the guy playing Pike is hinting at his time on the show being quite past tense...and supposedly the show is costing around 150 million for season 2 alone.  Again, supposedly, Bad Robot is paying for yet more reshoots...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDHvmfqT25c

He does say that his sources say "no decision" yet, and that could just mean "Pike's been written off the show" but it's still some surprising rumors.  And I checked, S2E1 of Discovery is indeed on youtube.

Huh.
I figured he'd only be around for this one season anyway.  Given he's the regular commander of the Enterprise, and is only on Discovery on a special mission, which is an arc that's likely to be resolved by the end of the season, it wouldn't make sense if he did stay on.
And the show runners are certainly saying they are planning season 3:

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-trek-discovery/278955/star-trek-discovery-season-3-already-being-discussed
Might be good news, and frankly I hope Discovery succeeds anyway - it's like the Kelvin timeline; it's the only Trek that's being made, so we might as well support it so that future Trek ideas don't get tossed aside as not worth the money.
I honestly don't get the people who keep cheering on for Discovery to get canceled.  You don't HAVE to like it, but if you actually value the franchise, wishing it ill, and cheering its failure seems a bad idea.  I'd think it would make more sense to hope Discovery improves which is withing the realm of possibility considering the first season (and sometimes even second) of most of the series have sucked. 

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« Reply #1114 on: 02 February 2019, 07:49:34 »
Rumor mill is suggesting that Disco is dead; the guy playing Pike is hinting at his time on the show being quite past tense...and supposedly the show is costing around 150 million for season 2 alone.  Again, supposedly, Bad Robot is paying for yet more reshoots...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDHvmfqT25c

He does say that his sources say "no decision" yet, and that could just mean "Pike's been written off the show" but it's still some surprising rumors.  And I checked, S2E1 of Discovery is indeed on youtube.

Huh.

I would take any reports of this nature from Youtube with about half a shaker of salt.  There were a bunch of people there who ran a smear campaign against the new Doctor Who this past half year, including rumors of that sort, i.e.  that both the star and the showrunner were going to bolt for REASONS.  Both proved unfounded, but it is true the next season of DW won't be until 2020.

You could tell just from the typefaces they used for captioning that it was the worst sort of tabloid journalism anyway.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1115 on: 02 February 2019, 08:33:22 »
It's definitely a cop-out, but as far as cop-out explanations go, it's not bad. I've seen worse in Battletech. Still not happy about the bit that explicitly identifies one of those ships as a D7, though. Were the Klingons and Klingon ships seen in season 1 from a faction not affiliated with the homeworld(and presumably the Empire's main yards)?

It smacks of how the Republic just suddenly morphed into the Empire at the end of _Revenge of The Sith_.  Sure, you could tell there was some movement in the aesthetic in the late Republic's military equipment, especially the Venator-class vessels...then as soon as Palpatine declares the Republic over and the beginning of the Empire, the Imperial navy appears fully-formed, with (familiar) new uniforms and Star Destroyers as if pulled out of a hat.

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« Reply #1116 on: 02 February 2019, 10:09:26 »
It smacks of how the Republic just suddenly morphed into the Empire at the end of _Revenge of The Sith_.  Sure, you could tell there was some movement in the aesthetic in the late Republic's military equipment, especially the Venator-class vessels...then as soon as Palpatine declares the Republic over and the beginning of the Empire, the Imperial navy appears fully-formed, with (familiar) new uniforms and Star Destroyers as if pulled out of a hat.

Almost as if Palpy was pulling the strings the entire time

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« Reply #1117 on: 02 February 2019, 11:07:56 »
Almost as if Palpy was pulling the strings the entire time

But...he was...

I should have been more clear; what I meant was with this season of DISCO, the Klingons, having been presented with a radically different look and feel (from what we were used to) in S1, are again suddenly being transformed into something more akin to at least the movie/TNG versions (both their own appearance and that of their naval equipment), with kludgy in-universe explanations as to why.

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« Reply #1118 on: 02 February 2019, 12:12:31 »
To be fair, that level of writing is kinda what I've come to expect from just about any Trek. Individual episodes might be really good, but kludged-together backgrounds and world-building is practically a tradition for Star Trek and Wars.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1119 on: 02 February 2019, 17:09:07 »
I honestly don't get the people who keep cheering on for Discovery to get canceled.  You don't HAVE to like it, but if you actually value the franchise, wishing it ill, and cheering its failure seems a bad idea.  I'd think it would make more sense to hope Discovery improves which is withing the realm of possibility considering the first season (and sometimes even second) of most of the series have sucked.

Basically because some people want a show to cater specifically to them and everything they like and any deviation from that means the show is horrible garbage and [insert silly political rant of your choice here] and should be killed off because they'd rather have no show at all than one that isn't perfect.

They've always existed, but the internet and especially sites like YouTube gives them a way to communicate with each other and make big stinks that make them seem like a larger and more influential group than they really are.
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« Reply #1120 on: 02 February 2019, 18:10:14 »
I honestly don't get the people who keep cheering on for Discovery to get canceled.  You don't HAVE to like it, but if you actually value the franchise, wishing it ill, and cheering its failure seems a bad idea.  I'd think it would make more sense to hope Discovery improves which is withing the realm of possibility considering the first season (and sometimes even second) of most of the series have sucked.
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« Reply #1121 on: 03 February 2019, 09:37:57 »
Let me put it like this, adding poison to soup, doesn't increase the amount of soup, it merely poisons it.
And while I do agree that most first seasons of trek shows are lame and lacking proper crew dynamic, but for the vocal opposition those aren't the only issues with this show, for them it is also the deviation from lore/values/general character/etc. These issues with the show is turning off many of the general audiences & fans, so the more associated the show becomes with Star Trek brand, the more damage it does to the franchise. The hope is that it dies fast enough before it can kill the franchise.
And the fact that they are giving Klingons hair and bringing the classic D7 in Season 2 say a lot about how people perceived Season 1 that influenced the show makers to make these decisions.
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« Reply #1122 on: 03 February 2019, 10:00:40 »
And the fact that they are giving Klingons hair and bringing the classic D7 in Season 2 say a lot about how people perceived Season 1 that influenced the show makers to make these decisions.

It's not just cosmetic changes--the actors playing Klingons are also acting and speaking more like we've seen from Klingons in past series--EVEN WHEN THEY SPEAK KLINGON.

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« Reply #1123 on: 03 February 2019, 10:44:01 »
And the fact that they are giving Klingons hair and bringing the classic D7 in Season 2 say a lot about how people perceived Season 1 that influenced the show makers to make these decisions.

I think that the producers are listing to the fans, and just a one line makes everyone happy.  It helps me like the show...but it still has lots to go IMO.
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« Reply #1124 on: 03 February 2019, 19:19:43 »
I think that the producers are listing to the fans, and just a one line makes everyone happy.  It helps me like the show...but it still has lots to go IMO.

Me too... but still think its sad that they did what/how they did. Hope they keep (fast) closing the gaps (storywise) into the old Star Trek setting (very curious about what theyre going to do to some of the stuff except for the sister/brother thing - that I still think its stupid).
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« Reply #1125 on: 03 February 2019, 23:40:18 »
Could Tuvok be in some twist of fate be their child?  It would explain somethings...

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« Reply #1126 on: 04 February 2019, 08:41:25 »
Let me put it like this, adding poison to soup, doesn't increase the amount of soup, it merely poisons it.
And while I do agree that most first seasons of trek shows are lame and lacking proper crew dynamic, but for the vocal opposition those aren't the only issues with this show, for them it is also the deviation from lore/values/general character/etc. These issues with the show is turning off many of the general audiences & fans, so the more associated the show becomes with Star Trek brand, the more damage it does to the franchise. The hope is that it dies fast enough before it can kill the franchise.

And perhaps they might put the next version on broadcast....
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1127 on: 04 February 2019, 09:57:09 »
Well, watched the first 3 episodes of season 2. I liked them. Not everything, but quite. Certainly not worse than original series, TNG or DS9. 

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« Reply #1128 on: 04 February 2019, 17:37:12 »
And perhaps they might put the next version on broadcast....

My impression was the reason it was on their own streaming and Netflix was because No one else wanted Trek.  Me personally I think they should have gone Netflix through and through so there was no expense for the American audience ignoring that fact for a second.

Episodes 2 and 3 were awesome I really enjoyed them the series goes from strength to strength IMO unlike the previous season it feels like it has depth (because its had a season) and Pike is a real credit to show
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« Reply #1129 on: 04 February 2019, 19:42:41 »
CBS was very up front about wanting Discovery on its own streaming service in order to attract people to subscribe.  They specifically did not want to put it on competing services like Hulu or Amazon Prime.
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« Reply #1130 on: 04 February 2019, 20:49:54 »
Could Tuvok be in some twist of fate be their child?  It would explain somethings...

How would Tuvok, a Vulcan, be the child of a Klingon and a human?

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« Reply #1131 on: 04 February 2019, 21:56:47 »
How would Tuvok, a Vulcan, be the child of a Klingon and a human?

I believe he was talking about Spock and Burnham.  However, there was no indication that Tuvok was mixed-species.  I'm sure it would've been mentioned at some point during ST:VOY's run.

It is quite possible, however, that L'Rell and AshVoq's son grows up to be "The Albino" seen in that one DS9 episode.

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« Reply #1132 on: 04 February 2019, 23:47:01 »
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« Reply #1133 on: 05 February 2019, 01:08:11 »
My impression was the reason it was on their own streaming and Netflix was because No one else wanted Trek.  Me personally I think they should have gone Netflix through and through so there was no expense for the American audience ignoring that fact for a second.

I actually agree with this. I think it was a Nerdrotic Youtube Live-stream that his co-host suggested that CBS all-access should promote a lot of other things to get other people to their service - like back-episodes of soap operas. 

Trek is supposed to be a niche show, being sci-fi, regardless of its general popularity.  It just doesn't seem to bring in the numbers that shows like Hawaii 5-O, or soap operas, do.  If they really want their streaming service to succeed, I don't get why they think Star Trek was the way to go.

If it weren't behind that pay wall, I'd probably give it a go to see if the criticisms match my own experiences.  But, it is, and I'm not going to pay out that much more, even once, for something I won't use once it's done.  I can get a lot of other shows on something more prevalent, like Hulu or Netflix. (I'm mostly looking for old stuff I missed out on, like various anime, and I can find a lot of that on those two alone, or for free with commercial on services like Crunchyroll.)


For example - DC's streaming service!  The fact that they have back-issues of comics, the cartoon movies and shows, some of which I didn't get to see before it left Netflix (like Batman Brave and the Bold) is a strong draw for me. You can't find old issues like that unless you go coming through comic shops, or pay out the nose online. I may not have a physical copy, but being able to read up on the lore and see how it compares is fascinating for me. I am tempted to give that a try for a month or so. It might be closer to summer due to finances, but the thought and temptation is there.

That's mostly doing it right. That's DC's specialty: Comics. And they have a lot of comics to read up on.

As much as I liked Scorpion, Person of Interest, and the new MacGyver, those aren't a strong enough draw for me to sign up for CBS, even if they were pulled from netflix and hulu.  And, neither is STD.  Now, if they had The Pretender, and some other old shows that you can't find anymore except over-the-air on retro channels, like AirWolf or the A-Team (both of which got dropped from Netflix all of a couple months after I first signed up - grr!), then maybe I'd think about it.

Is STD's biggest problem that pay wall? I think the biggest reason they decided to drop it on YouTube is to see if that is actually the case.  Did they come out and state that? No. But, one can infer that by the fact it's there, and it's generating numbers for the devs to consider.

(Aside: I'm of the opinion that it's not. Is Burnham likeable yet? Has she apologized to anyone for some of the stupid mistakes she's made, yet?  Is she the red angel going around to correct the timeline?

Apparently, depending on where you get your news, Netflix wasn't happy with how STD performed for season one and refused to back season two.  (I'm not going to bother looking up where I read it, or heard it (youtube), because y'all can google it.)  It seems to me that they weren't impressed with the final product, or they weren't impressed with whatever hidden numbers output they got from said final product.)



Still, CBS all access, and Disney's streaming service, and any other late comers, are probably going to see a lot of subscribers rotate in and out of membership, because I doubt people are going to pony up to pay for each and every streaming service that might have one thing that they may be curious about.  We're starting toward a glut of services, each with their 'own unique content that you can't find anywhere else', and we'll have the problem of way too many channels like we do with Cable, now. 

You want a piece of the pie, well, the more people asking for a piece the slimmer those pieces are when it's finally served. If the economy were doing significantly better, the pie might be bigger.  But, from all I've seen, it's not, so people have to budget and plan ahead. I know I have to.

Having something that people can only get from you may be good, and all, but when you've seen the last person come through that actually is interested, there's no more growth. (We're BattleTech Fans. We should be very familiar with this.)

Will it be enough to keep providing or expanding that kind of content?

Pardon for the long dissertation. 

I'm inclined to agree with a lot of the online dissenters. 

I don't like that the show is being put together by Paramount, and not in-house at CBS so that we have to have this 25% difference BS.  I dislike that Star Trek is being used as the flag-ship for a service that doesn't even have its own identity yet, and it's showing in whichever numbers you put value in.  I dislike that Les Moonves was in charge and not only didn't know much about Star Trek, but actually looks down on sci-fi shows in general.  You have a guy in charge with an attitude like that, you get people assigned to the show of varying and dubious quality.  (Rumor has it that most of the STD Story Group is now comprised of mostly soap opera writers.  I bet a look through IMDB can clarify if that's true or not.)

It doesn't help that the star ship is ugly.  It doesn't help that we got mixed weird designs from the start for the major alien antagonist that didn't meet aesthetics established in even Enterprise.  Anyone remember those Klingon ships which predate STD?  And, from the sounds of it, the main character is effectively Heero Yuey from Gundam Wing!



So, I have a question of comparison for those who actually have kept up with the show: How does it compare, thematically and tonally, to other sci-fi?  I've watched the new Lost in Space, and Dark Matter, and Travellers on Netflix.  I've been able to watch the Orville. Now catching up on The Librarians on Hulu. As benchmarks, how does it compare to these?

 





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« Reply #1134 on: 05 February 2019, 03:35:07 »
If they really want their streaming service to succeed, I don't get why they think Star Trek was the way to go.

Because, ratings or not, Star Trek is a worldwide cultural phenomenon. And it's something that nobody else has. Other networks or streaming services have shows that are similar in genre and/or execution to Hawaii 5-0 or soap operas or anything else that CBS offers; only CBS has Star Trek.

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Apparently, depending on where you get your news, Netflix wasn't happy with how STD performed for season one and refused to back season two.  (I'm not going to bother looking up where I read it, or heard it (youtube), because y'all can google it.)  It seems to me that they weren't impressed with the final product, or they weren't impressed with whatever hidden numbers output they got from said final product.)

Netflix didn't "back" season one. They paid through the nose for the distribution rights, enough $$ to pay for the entire show and then some. So, yes, their cash paid for the show, but not in the sense that they were in any way backers of it or had any control over the show at all. It was purely a distribution deal that generated enough money so that CBS basically didn't have to fork over from their own pockets to make the show. And Netflix paid for distribution rights to multiple seasons up front, so there was no need for them to pony up more cash for S2, regardless of how the show did or how they felt about its performance.

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Still, CBS all access, and Disney's streaming service, and any other late comers, are probably going to see a lot of subscribers rotate in and out of membership, because I doubt people are going to pony up to pay for each and every streaming service that might have one thing that they may be curious about.

That already happens with all the streaming services, and has pretty much since they became big. People switch out Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc as shows come and go. This is nothing new and nothing related to the (at present) second-tier services like CBS All Access or Disney.

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Having something that people can only get from you may be good, and all, but when you've seen the last person come through that actually is interested, there's no more growth. (We're BattleTech Fans. We should be very familiar with this.)

Will it be enough to keep providing or expanding that kind of content?

Yes. All reports are that Discovery generated enough in All Access subscriptions to more than fund the second season. And CBS is planning at least four more Trek series, so clearly there will be continuing content for a long time to come. This hypothetical "last person" you are worried about ain't coming along for many, many years.

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I don't like that the show is being put together by Paramount, and not in-house at CBS so that we have to have this 25% difference BS.

The show is being done by CBS, not Paramount.

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(Rumor has it that most of the STD Story Group is now comprised of mostly soap opera writers.  I bet a look through IMDB can clarify if that's true or not.)

So why don't you look and see instead of perpetuating said rumors? Because the answer to that is no. Looking at the first 5 episodes of S2, I find that of the six credited writers two worked on Beverly Hills 90210 some 20 years ago and one worked on Desperate Housewives ten years ago, and other than the odd episode here or there on other shows that's really it in terms of soap experience. They have all done other shows as well, including some genre shows. And so what? Every writer in Hollywood writes on many kinds of shows throughout their careers. JMS wrote for Murder, She Wrote, Ronald Moore now does Outlander, etc.

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And, from the sounds of it, the main character is effectively Heero Yuey from Gundam Wing!

This reference is meaningless to me, but you will find you can compare the protagonists of just about every work to someone from another work if you reduce them enough to generic traits. And looking up this Gundam character on the Fandom wikia, I don't see anything there that isn't a fairly generic character that could apply to countless other protagonists. Reductive character comparisons by random people on the internet who all have their particular frames of reference and experiences with a variety of different stories are usually worth the electrons they are printed on. Especially when those comparison are made "from the sounds of it" instead of by actually experiencing the character in question within the context of their narrative.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1135 on: 05 February 2019, 21:12:17 »
his reference to the lead from Gundam Wing is that he's a emotionless brick who gets to operate the most advanced (for 1995 standards) Gundam, a machine that was supposed to stop wars by destroying the faction's ability to make war. It would help to know WHICH Heero he's referring to (either the original Voice Actor or the VA for the Toonami version of GW) because there was differences in performance.
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« Reply #1136 on: 08 February 2019, 12:20:56 »
It would help to know WHICH Heero he's referring to (either the original Voice Actor or the VA for the Toonami version of GW) because there was differences in performance.

Not exactly sure which, but, I'm guessing the original, since I had the series on DVD way back in the early 2000s.  Can't check because I gave it away.


And CBS is planning at least four more Trek series, so clearly there will be continuing content for a long time to come. This hypothetical "last person" you are worried about ain't coming along for many, many years.

Considering they announced Star Trek 4 from Bad Robot almost right out the door with the release of Star Trek: Beyond, and all of a sudden, it's not happening, I'm not inclined to accept public announcements until there's an actual show or movie to watch. 

But, hey!  Maybe they are doing so well that they feel they can release season 2 for free on YouTube.  ::)


But, as for spreading rumors, you did go look.   :thumbsup:  ;D

As for being worried, I'm not. Hell, I'm not even angry anymore.  Here's why - Article from Midnight's Edge.

Remember what I was hoping for from the outset? That this was actually yet another Star Trek timeline? Well, guess what!  And! Being able to justify it as not 'Canon Trek' means I can accept this in the same vein as the new movies.  Now, the question is if I can stand the writing enough to watch Season 2 while it's on YouTube.

Only one way to find out.

So, I'll get off your lawn, now, RB.  xp




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« Reply #1137 on: 08 February 2019, 17:46:47 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojtX_Oz4WsU

Fascinating analysis of history and the current apparent state of affairs with Trek canon.  Very interesting is the explanation of just WHAT the "prime" timeline is, that Discovery sits in...and that it explicitly isn't the canon built up from 1966-2005.  The "prime" and "kelvin" timeline are both deliberate (and thus, marketable) creations of Paramount, through the 2009 Star Trek film, and the "prime" timeline is the one that that Spock comes from - but that Spock is not in the same setting as the original 66-05 canon.  The "Prime" timeline that everyone uses now is actually separate, and tied to the 2009 movie - it's everything that would have happened in that universe had the Kelvin not been sunk by the Narada.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1138 on: 08 February 2019, 21:08:17 »
Interesting video about corporate crap. Didn't knew much of it but now... it makes sense all the stuff they did since the first "Kelvin" Star Trek.

Maybe this will help me seeing Discovery with a new perspective and help me to like it a bit.
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« Reply #1139 on: 08 February 2019, 23:50:00 »
Yeah.  It's not like it's unacceptable to the fandom, considering the Mirror Universe; we just get other universes (and their mirrors) to look at now.  There's the 66-05 universe, which hasn't had any more stories told in it because CBS is not making anything in that universe.  Paramount has two universe, Prime (which we saw about 2 minutes of in Star Trek 2009) and Kelvin (which split off from the Prime in the same film) that are being used, apparently, for all future productions.  Namely, the Prime timeline, since the Kelvin version appears dead.

Shame; if they'd fixed the giant slot in the saucer of the Vengeance class, Starfleet running around with a group of those would pretty much end any kinds of threats to the Federation.  It's not like they don't have the specs and most of a working copy.  But, Kelvin timeline, so muh-hey muh-hey.

That said, in the Prime timeline, we got the Kelvin as a Starfleet ship.  That gave us the Apple Store look for technology (and beer brewery engine room, **** that noise) and is why, in Discovery - ten years prior to the Kelvin's trip into alternate history - resembles the same technology and visual aesthetic.  Proof of that comes from the size of Disco and Big(ger) E, both the same scale as the 2009 movie ships.  Discovery is happening ten years prior to the moment Spock came from the future and broke off an alternate, "mirror" universe.  And, eventually, the new Picard show will air in that Prime timeline's distant future.  What happens in between?

It's all new.  So we'll see what happens.  But this is all a new canon, a new "prime" setting that gives the writers a lot of freedom to work in...whether that's good or not, we'll see.

And if the CBS/Paramount remerger happens, well, god alone (and Spock) knows what happens after that. 
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