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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #150 on: 08 January 2012, 20:33:35 »
Yes, that would make sense...
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« Reply #152 on: 09 January 2012, 00:30:47 »
Perfect - confirms my suspicions.  Internal TM errata updated accordingly.

Thanks for the catch.
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« Reply #153 on: 09 January 2012, 11:49:46 »
Just to let you know, the current, provisional wording on errata for this issue is:

"1)   Under Game Rules, second bullet point, change the last sentence to read: “For non-’Mechs, these critical hits are applied as sequential motive system or flight stabilizer hits and then (after these are all marked off) transfer inward to the engine itself, destroying the engine immediately on the first hit.”

Does that address all the issues?

Hmmm...I'm afraid I don't think so. First of all, if you just change that last sentence, the first sentence still instructs you to roll "on the unit's appropriate Determining Critical Hits Table" -- vehicles, which normally only take at most one critical hit per opportunity, would still need to be explicitly pointed back to the "standard" table on TW p. 124 if a supercharger malfunction is to generate the chance for up to three "critical" hits.

And second, it's not wholly clear how these "sequential" hits are supposed to interact with previous motive system damage. As I understand it -- and correct me if I'm wrong, though the current wording of rules plus errata would seem to support my view --, any given motive system hit can normally readily happen multiple times; despite the presence of boxes on the record sheet suggesting otherwise they are not actually "marked off" as they occur. Thus, for example, a second 'minor' hit doesn't scroll up to 'moderate' just because a first one happened earlier...

...which of course means that the worst a supercharger failure can technically inflict on a ground or naval vehicle is one minor, one moderate, and one heavy motive system hit. This may reduce its MP to 0, but won't suffice to technically immobilize it, let alone kill its engine.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #154 on: 11 January 2012, 00:09:10 »
I'll do some research and talk to some people and hopefully their people will call my people.
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« Reply #155 on: 13 January 2012, 10:56:28 »
Hey Xotl, may we please have a thread for RS: 3075 - Print edition? Thanks!
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #156 on: 13 January 2012, 17:28:30 »
In the FM: 3085 thread:

Quote from: Maingunnary
P. 208, Mercenary Mech RAT

There are a highly large amount of 3039 Mech variants in this RAT, they go so far as roll 27 of 44.  This RAT is periphery grade and many of these variants are less available then more modern variants. Please update the Mechs with 3039 variant from roll 14 and up.

'I don't like it' isn't errata, those 'Mechs were chosen for those locations, they are not in error.

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« Reply #157 on: 13 January 2012, 17:35:40 »
Thanks Kit, although per the rules you as a writer can reply directly in the thread without setting a bad example. :)

I've invited him to continue the discussion here if he wishes.
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« Reply #158 on: 14 January 2012, 00:11:25 »
Re: FM: 3085

Pg. 197, Federated Suns RAT

This isn't an "I don't like it" post but more of an "I wonder why the author did that" post.  :)

On the Heavy column, there was no inclusion of the WHM-8D Warhammer. Objectives: FS states that in 3079 it has been in steady construction at Crofton, and I think we can assume still is. It seems that the other 4 successor states have numerous Project Phoenix mechs in their RATs, and was curious if the author purposefully left it out or it was just overlooked perhaps?

I know the RATs are just suggestions, and I'm free to include all the PP mechs in my FedSuns forces as I see fit, but was just curious about the WHM.  Thoughts?

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #159 on: 14 January 2012, 00:55:58 »
RATs aren't reflective of what are units are being built by a faction.  They're just for random force generation.
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« Reply #160 on: 14 January 2012, 02:00:56 »
RATs can never include everything.  In general, the goal was to capture a wide range of weights, battle values, and book sources.  I don't recall any deliberate decision to exclude the -8D but, looking at the FedSuns list, I don't really see anything I'd cut to fit it in.  The -8D is as you say a perfect valid entry, but then again so are the others (and the Davion heavy column does have three unseen units in it already).

If I missed the fact that one of the units on there is actually pretty rare by 3085, then the -8D would be the likely candidate to replace it, assuming the weight/BV ranges were reasonably close (the -8D is not an A-level unit, for instance, so I'd never fit it there).  But RATs are ultimately just guidelines, and you can certainly feel free to replace a heavy mech with the -8D with solid canonical backing.

I hope that helps.
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« Reply #161 on: 14 January 2012, 10:59:25 »
Thanks Xotl!  Very kind response.

Now you've raised my curiousity as to what are considered "A"level mechs on the RATS.  Since front line units add 8 to their rolls, I assume it would be anything 10+ on the tables for the House RATs?

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« Reply #162 on: 14 January 2012, 11:23:57 »
Thanks Xotl!  Very kind response.

Now you've raised my curiousity as to what are considered "A"level mechs on the RATS.  Since front line units add 8 to their rolls, I assume it would be anything 10+ on the tables for the House RATs?

That's correct.  I didn't make all the RATs, so the other authors had their own methods of handling things.  For myself, I tried to pick heavier mechs with higher BVs for the A-level stuff, with the caveat that I haven't gamed with every last one of them.  That meant that occasionally a dog slipped in their and fellow fact checkers politely pointed out that anyone rolling up that unit for an A-level would want to lynch me.

That having been said, fluff came first, so if there was a statement saying that X mech was assigned to elite units, then they were stuffed in the A levels, no matter how good it was.  Also, "12" slots are not necessarily the best mechs, but rare and unusual ones, such as the #12 Drac assault, which is an Atlas with double C3 masters.

If there are any further questions I'd ask that you please take it to PM, as I'd rather leave this thread for the errata-type discussion it was intended for.  I shouldn't set a bad example. :)
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #163 on: 14 January 2012, 21:53:02 »
Re: VTOLs...

VTOLs are an exception to that.  See the TacOps Errata thread.

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« Reply #164 on: 15 January 2012, 04:07:23 »
Where do we report FM3085:RAT vs MUL conflicts? In the FM3085 or the MUL thread?

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« Reply #165 on: 15 January 2012, 08:45:42 »
Where do we report FM3085:RAT vs MUL conflicts? In the FM3085 or the MUL thread?

MUL, because it's not errata.  But the MUL takes suggestions.
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« Reply #166 on: 02 February 2012, 00:38:59 »
But you didn't actually check?
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« Reply #167 on: 08 February 2012, 00:01:11 »
Despite it obviously being perfect, we should have a thread for Objectives: Lyran Alliance so I can correct folks on their misconceptions.  ;)
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #168 on: 09 February 2012, 11:17:27 »
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,15022.msg366221.html#msg366221
As noted in the MUL thread, the Jihad era is being extended through 3085.  So RS: Prototypes that intro before 3086 are correct in being labeled Jihad era. 
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« Reply #169 on: 10 February 2012, 16:08:06 »
Can anyone direct me to errata for the Wolf and Blake starterbook? All Google gives me are broken links. -- Thanks.

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« Reply #170 on: 10 February 2012, 16:20:12 »
I'm afraid there is no Wolf & Blake errata currently - it was all lost when the forum archive was removed.
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« Reply #171 on: 10 February 2012, 17:54:00 »
That is as I suspected, but at least I know not to keep looking. I will start my own list and report back.

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« Reply #172 on: 06 March 2012, 18:12:44 »
Not sure if this is an error or not, but is the Neptune not in RS3039u?

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« Reply #173 on: 07 March 2012, 10:18:04 »
No template for it.
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« Reply #174 on: 22 March 2012, 23:57:08 »
New HB: House Steiner thread opened (along with a few other missing threads).
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #175 on: 30 March 2012, 03:12:29 »
Page 19
Annihilator 2AX armor does not match description on page 6

Possible Solution
Correct whichever armour value is incorrect.

Record sheet armor on page 19 makes the design two ton underweight, page 6 armor makes the design exactly 100t.


Xotl: noted, thanks.
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« Reply #176 on: 01 April 2012, 07:11:42 »
Can we get a thread for Turning Point St. Ives?
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« Reply #177 on: 13 April 2012, 13:48:50 »
Xotl, I had to restrain myself to post here rather than clutter up the new thread: congratulations to you on the Herculean task involved with the errata. Well done, well done indeed, kind sir!
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« Reply #178 on: 13 April 2012, 14:35:11 »
Yeah.  I can't imagine how much of a pain it must have been wading through all those reports.

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« Reply #179 on: 13 April 2012, 14:45:54 »
From start to finish it took about a year :D (albeit with pauses as other projects took priority).
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