Author Topic: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads  (Read 307902 times)

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #240 on: 18 August 2012, 07:55:15 »
I've started a new thread for obsolete books; feel free to chat about it here.  Anyone who has items not included there should by all means post about it here (although more is to come).
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

ColBosch

  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8701
  • Legends Never Die
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #241 on: 18 August 2012, 13:10:31 »
I used to have a bunch of notes on mistakes in, and changes to, older books. I'll see if they still exist.
BattleTech is a huge house, it's not any one fan's or "type" of fans.  If you need to relieve yourself, use the bathroom not another BattleTech fan. - nckestrel
1st and 2nd Succession Wars are not happy times. - klarg1
Check my Ogre Flickr page! https://flic.kr/s/aHsmcLnb7v and https://flic.kr/s/aHsksV83ZP

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #242 on: 18 August 2012, 20:00:57 »
That would great.  Thanks for checking.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #243 on: 18 August 2012, 21:08:58 »
New updates to Historical Errata.  More probably tomorrow.

EDIT: new Record Sheet stuff posted, plus a new copy of the Tactical Handbook errata is available, due to the low quality of the previous scan.
« Last Edit: 20 August 2012, 04:39:20 by Xotl »
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Neufeld

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2539
  • Raven, Lyran, Horse, Capellan, Canopian, Bear
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #244 on: 23 August 2012, 02:20:55 »
Historical Errata Thread:
Um, you have listed TRO:3055U [Catalyst] version as non-supported. It should probably be TRO:3055U [FanPro] instead.
The TRO:3067 in the thread should probably also be TRO:3067 [FanPro], since Catalyst has released a version of TRO:3067 this year.



"Real men and women do not need Terra"
-- Grendel Roberts
"
We will be used to subdue the Capellan Confederation. We will be used to bring the Free Worlds League to heel. We will be used to
hunt bandits and support corrupt rulers and to reinforce the evils of the Inner Sphere that drove our ancestors from it so long ago."
-- Elias Crichell

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #245 on: 28 August 2012, 02:37:41 »
Historical Errata Thread:
Um, you have listed TRO:3055U [Catalyst] version as non-supported. It should probably be TRO:3055U [FanPro] instead.
The TRO:3067 in the thread should probably also be TRO:3067 [FanPro], since Catalyst has released a version of TRO:3067 this year.

Good points - corrections made.  Thanks.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #246 on: 30 August 2012, 15:17:51 »
BattleSpace corrections and a set of 1986 corrections for various 1st edition products added to the Historical Errata.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #247 on: 11 September 2012, 09:08:53 »
Historical Errata request.  There was an errata sheet issued for Mercenary's Handbook 3055.  If anyone has it and could scan it I would be extremely grateful.  As far as I know it's never been posted online.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Col.Hengist

  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 9189
  • Konrad ' Hengist " Littman Highlander 732b
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #248 on: 14 September 2012, 08:01:28 »
  IN the RATS of FM:2750 on page 148 it shouws the Thorn THN-F as the varient to use.It states it is from RS 3039U. The MUL supports that there is a "F" varient. When i asked about this in the errata for the RS 39U i was told that the "S" and the "F" are the same mech and redirected here because i didn't follow some protocol.

 Why did it show the "F" when there is no "F" in the 39U, only the "S" which is the same varient and why are both in the MUL if there is only the record sheet for one? It is very confusing. Which is the right one,the "F" or the "S"? A;so, since they are presumably the same mech, why have one mech with 2 different numbers? It's just very confusing.
Lyran Commonwealth,6th Donegal Guards-Nightstar
Marian Hegemony, II Legio-Cataphract
Clan Hell's Horses, Gamma Galaxy-Summoner
Clan Grinch goat- gamma goat.

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #249 on: 14 September 2012, 09:13:07 »
Why did it show the "F" when there is no "F" in the 39U, only the "S" which is the same varient and why are both in the MUL if there is only the record sheet for one?

There are two different Thorns that, thanks to in-universe reasons, wind up with the same configuration, though spaced centuries apart.  The original Thorn (the -F) has the 2490 date, and is the one that first came off the assembly line.  It was later removed from service as upgraded models with Star League tech came along to replace it (the -N).  The later Thorn (the -S) is the one ComStar provided to the Combine in the run-up to the War of 3039.  By stripping the Star League models of all their advanced tech, ComStar created a "new" model functionally identical to the original -F models that came off the line all those years ago.  The MUL preserves the two different entries because, depending on when you're playing and the filters you apply, you're going to be looking for different names.

Quote
It is very confusing. Which is the right one,the "F" or the "S"? A;so, since they are presumably the same mech, why have one mech with 2 different numbers? It's just very confusing.

They're both "right", but RS3039 would have it listed as the -S because that's how the mech was known then, and because there were no original -Fs still in existence anywhere.  This is a legacy of the fluff, decided many years ago, not a choice on our part - if we were to skip one name, someone else woould wonder what was going on there.  There is a Victor with two designations for the same design as well, because the same machine was produced in both the Combine and FedSuns, and was named differently by each - again, years-old fluff forces our hand (and quite frankly, these little hiccups make things a little more "real" to me, so I tend to enjoy the odd one now and again).

The MUL should probably attempt to do something about the -F being listed as appearing in 3039u, since as you mention that exact designation does not appear in that book.  I'll see what we can do.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Col.Hengist

  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 9189
  • Konrad ' Hengist " Littman Highlander 732b
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #250 on: 14 September 2012, 09:37:06 »
Thank you, thats what i thought was going on but i wanted to be sure. Is there any way to redirect some one on the MUL if they are looking for one or the other or give an explanation of what's going on?
Lyran Commonwealth,6th Donegal Guards-Nightstar
Marian Hegemony, II Legio-Cataphract
Clan Hell's Horses, Gamma Galaxy-Summoner
Clan Grinch goat- gamma goat.

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #251 on: 23 September 2012, 23:16:51 »
Hengist - questions about the MUL are best asked in the MUL thread in this subforum, and as the MUL being actively remodeled at the moment, now is the time to do so.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Col.Hengist

  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 9189
  • Konrad ' Hengist " Littman Highlander 732b
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #252 on: 24 September 2012, 08:28:58 »
I only mentioned the MUL because you had also mentioned it also. I wasn't trying to have an off topic discussion .
Lyran Commonwealth,6th Donegal Guards-Nightstar
Marian Hegemony, II Legio-Cataphract
Clan Hell's Horses, Gamma Galaxy-Summoner
Clan Grinch goat- gamma goat.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11038
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #253 on: 24 September 2012, 08:30:42 »
The notes field in the MUL now explains for the VTR-9D, THN-F, and CRD-4L where to find the correct record sheet.
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #254 on: 24 September 2012, 08:35:24 »
I only mentioned the MUL because you had also mentioned it also. I wasn't trying to have an off topic discussion.

Don't worry - I wasn't giving you hell.  I just wanted to make sure you had the chance to get your feedback in while it was the best time to do so.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Neufeld

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2539
  • Raven, Lyran, Horse, Capellan, Canopian, Bear
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #255 on: 19 October 2012, 05:01:54 »
For future integration into errata, p. 238:

1) Damage is averaged over a number of clusters number of shots fired. In the case of RAC, would that be 6?  Or do RACs still use the previous ruling where they do damage in clusters equal to the single shot damage (in 4 clusters)?

RACs do damage in the amount of their base damage.  So a RAC/5 does four 5 point hits against a ground target.


2) What happens when damage does not divide evenly?  Does the last shot just get the remainder or is damage spread as evenly as possible between shots i.e. and RAC/2 does 8 damage in clusters of 2,2,1,1,1,1?  Would a UAC/10 do 15 damage as a cluster of 8 and 7?

RACs are always even.  Ultras you would do the greater damage in the first shot.

 ???
This errata is confusing me. Changing the way RACs works in a series of questions does not work.
So does a RAC/2 do damage in 5, 3 clusters (the old way clear way from before the errata), as 2,2,1,1,1,1, as 2,2,2,2 or as 4,4?

Can we assume that the following in the TW is no longer true?:
Quote from: TW, page 238
The Attack Value of all cluster weapons except Plasma weapons
and Ultra Autocannons (or all cluster weapon bays except Ultra
Autocannon bays) is divided into 5-point Attack Value groupings,
with any remaining damage assigned to its own grouping.

"Real men and women do not need Terra"
-- Grendel Roberts
"
We will be used to subdue the Capellan Confederation. We will be used to bring the Free Worlds League to heel. We will be used to
hunt bandits and support corrupt rulers and to reinforce the evils of the Inner Sphere that drove our ancestors from it so long ago."
-- Elias Crichell

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #256 on: 19 October 2012, 08:41:57 »
The wording on the answer is bad: you have thr right way for RACs - nothing has changed there that I know.   I'll just edit that part out for now (the real errata is how to round for UACs).
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Neufeld

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2539
  • Raven, Lyran, Horse, Capellan, Canopian, Bear
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #257 on: 20 October 2012, 05:35:52 »
The wording on the answer is bad: you have thr right way for RACs - nothing has changed there that I know.   I'll just edit that part out for now (the real errata is how to round for UACs).

The first part still refer to RACs.

"Real men and women do not need Terra"
-- Grendel Roberts
"
We will be used to subdue the Capellan Confederation. We will be used to bring the Free Worlds League to heel. We will be used to
hunt bandits and support corrupt rulers and to reinforce the evils of the Inner Sphere that drove our ancestors from it so long ago."
-- Elias Crichell

wellspring

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1502
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #258 on: 31 October 2012, 12:57:53 »
Quick question: it was suggested that I post it here.

Some of the errata hasn't made its way into reprints. Is this a typesetting issue or is some errata being held for later updates?

Thanks


Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #259 on: 31 October 2012, 13:53:45 »
It comes down to time and money.

Layout is perhaps the most precious resource, in that Catalyst has far more writers and artists available than it does layout guys.  To work in errata takes time from them that is needed to ready new books for print.  And errata only makes it to books when it is time for them to be reprinted - not all books are, because some times it's simply not economically feasible to reprint them.

In some cases errata is overlooked as well, though I'm striving to reduce the occasions of that.

If you have any other questions, feel free to post them here.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Schottenjaeger

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 172
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #260 on: 08 November 2012, 03:45:13 »
I have uncovered an errata question for TRO: Vehicle annex, but there is no thread. What should I do?
Standing proudly on other pilot's cockpits since 1997

jymset

  • Infinita Navitas & RecGuide Developer
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1529
  • the one and only
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #261 on: 08 November 2012, 03:49:58 »
Basically, TRO VA is being revamped from the ground up. As such, most errata will no longer be applicable.

That said, please feel free to post it right here :)
On CGL writing: Caught between a writer's block and a Herb place. (cray)

Nicest writing compliment ever: I know [redacted] doesn't like continuity porn, but I do, and you sir, write some great continuity porn! (MadCapellan)

3055 rocks! Did so when I was a n00b, does so now.

mbear

  • Stood Far Back When The Gravitas Was Handed Out
  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 4498
    • Tower of Jade
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #262 on: 20 November 2012, 10:20:45 »
XTRO: Succession Wars Volume 1. First PDF release, page 18, Flea record sheet.


FWIW, my record sheet for the Flea is missing internal structure dots, just like Ryumo's
Be the Loremaster:

Battletech transport rules take a very feline approach to moving troops in a combat zone: If they fits, they ships.

You bought the box set and are ready to expand your BT experience. Now what? (Thanks Sartis!)

Moonsword

  • Acutus Gladius
  • Global Moderator
  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 16591
  • You interrupted me reading TROs for this?
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #263 on: 27 November 2012, 13:11:42 »
Ladies and gentlemen, please use the errata template when reporting issues, and as a reminder, please do not discuss anything in the normal errata threads.

Gallard

  • Guest
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #264 on: 29 November 2012, 19:55:27 »
Hi, I've been trying to find it but have come up short. Could someone tell me which print/dead-tree books have reprintings including errata ? I'm specifically interested in Core Book reprintings, but pointing me to other products would be handy as well.

Xotl

  • Dominus Erratorum
  • Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11643
  • Professor of Errata
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #265 on: 29 November 2012, 23:12:10 »
Hi, this is something on my to-do list, but I haven't had the chance to track down a master list yet.  In general, it's only the core rulebooks and technical readouts that receive reprints.  All reprints and pdf-only releases of the core rulebooks are detailed in each of their threads.

3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

Jellico

  • Spatium Magister
  • Freelance Writer
  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 6124
  • BattleMechs are the lords of the battlefield
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #266 on: 12 December 2012, 21:47:24 »
A-pods were introduced in 2850, which is Succession War era.
The problem is the fluff says that the A-Pods were installed when the twin Arrow IV Bowman was modified. Therefore the twin Arrow IV Bowman can't have A-Pods and be the "original" Bowman.

Kit deSummersville

  • Precentor of Lies
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 10401
  • The epicness continues!
    • Insights and Complaints on Twitter
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #267 on: 12 December 2012, 22:37:06 »
The problem is the fluff says that the A-Pods were installed when the twin Arrow IV Bowman was modified. Therefore the twin Arrow IV Bowman can't have A-Pods and be the "original" Bowman.

1) You probably should be a little clearer about that in your errata post.
2) You are probably jumping the gun, assuming that it is supposed to be the "original" Bowman at this point.
Looking for an official answer? Check the Catalyst Interaction Forums.

Freelancer for hire, not an official CGL or IMR representative.

Everyone else's job is easy, so tell them how to do it, everyone loves that!

Millard Fillmore's favorite BattleTech writer.

jymset

  • Infinita Navitas & RecGuide Developer
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1529
  • the one and only
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #268 on: 13 December 2012, 12:31:31 »
2) You are probably jumping the gun, assuming that it is supposed to be the "original" Bowman at this point.

No, he isn't, he posted that for me. So I guess he forgot the "Dev-level" tag.
On CGL writing: Caught between a writer's block and a Herb place. (cray)

Nicest writing compliment ever: I know [redacted] doesn't like continuity porn, but I do, and you sir, write some great continuity porn! (MadCapellan)

3055 rocks! Did so when I was a n00b, does so now.

Kit deSummersville

  • Precentor of Lies
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 10401
  • The epicness continues!
    • Insights and Complaints on Twitter
Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #269 on: 13 December 2012, 14:01:48 »
No, he isn't, he posted that for me. So I guess he forgot the "Dev-level" tag.
So it's all your fault. ;)
Looking for an official answer? Check the Catalyst Interaction Forums.

Freelancer for hire, not an official CGL or IMR representative.

Everyone else's job is easy, so tell them how to do it, everyone loves that!

Millard Fillmore's favorite BattleTech writer.

 

Register