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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #330 on: 05 June 2013, 05:36:44 »
This is the second time I've had to post this in two days:

Ladies and gentlemen, again, please do not post responses or comments in the errata threads even if you're responding to someone like a member of the MUL Team who is authorized to reply in those threads.

Please read the errata rules, ladies and gentlemen.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #331 on: 08 June 2013, 20:04:47 »
Could we get an errata thread for TRO FS 3145?

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« Reply #332 on: 10 June 2013, 05:14:45 »
I'll take care of it this afternoon.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #333 on: 14 June 2013, 08:03:17 »
p. 41
CN11-D Centurion Configuration D

That configuration pod mounts a shield, however TacOps p. 288 says:

"BattleMech Melee Weapons: All of the advanced BattleMech melee weapons described in these rules may be mounted in accordance with all standard ’Mech
construction rules, with special construction rules as noted below. Except for the shield (which may only be installed as fixed equipment)"

I could not find anything in the errata v3.03 for TacOps that says differently.

Fix:
Remove shield and replace with other equipment.

I will also post this as a question in the TacOps rules section.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #334 on: 14 June 2013, 15:01:55 »
I've removed this in here.  The rule question has been forwarded.

When you think there's a reasonable chance there's a rules error instead of a construction error (i.e., we would need to errata TacOps in this case), please put it in the appropriate Rules Question board to avoid cluttering the errata threads up.
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« Reply #335 on: 18 June 2013, 22:17:59 »
Crap guess I missed the cutoff, but while you are amending the E/I/C table, you should probably add a footnote that BA using a myomer booster has an I rating of 0.
(TO 287 "Battlesuits equipped with Myomer Boosters generate excessive heat, making them incapable of operating as hidden units and rendering any Stealth
or Mimetic Armor ineff ective. ECM systems will still affect other electronic systems that pass through the ECM “bubble,” but the suits themselves remain
visible on sensors due to their heat signature.
")
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #336 on: 18 June 2013, 22:42:36 »
p. 41
CN11-D Centurion Configuration D

That configuration pod mounts a shield, however TacOps p. 288 says:

"BattleMech Melee Weapons: All of the advanced BattleMech melee weapons described in these rules may be mounted in accordance with all standard ’Mech
construction rules, with special construction rules as noted below. Except for the shield (which may only be installed as fixed equipment)"

I could not find anything in the errata v3.03 for TacOps that says differently.

Fix:
Remove shield and replace with other equipment.


according to this months battlechat with Herb on this he gives a explanation that the Centurion-O's D config could actually not a omnimech config and actually a related standard Battlemech or a totally different omnimech that comes with a shield in the base config and that there is a misinformation thing going on to confuse the Fedsuns enemies over what Centurion version is what.

although that's probably what a in-universe fluff explanation for what seems to be a Out of-universe rules crunch violation.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #337 on: 18 June 2013, 22:44:18 »
Crap guess I missed the cutoff, but while you are amending the E/I/C table, you should probably add a footnote that BA using a myomer booster has an I rating of 0.

Hah! Nice, good catch.


according to this months battlechat with Herb on this he gives a explanation that the Centurion-O's D config could actually not a omnimech config and actually a related standard Battlemech or a totally different omnimech that comes with a shield in the base config and that there is a misinformation thing going on to confuse the Fedsuns enemies over what Centurion version is what.

although that's probably what a in-universe fluff explanation for what seems to be a Out of-universe rules crunch violation.

We've already got a thread on that, working to solution.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,30397.0.html

The solution is just ignore Paul.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #338 on: 10 July 2013, 15:57:42 »
Where is the Errata for TRO 3057 & TRO 3057r?
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #339 on: 10 July 2013, 16:10:10 »
Where is the Errata for TRO 3057 & TRO 3057r?

TR3057 is an obsolete source for a long out-of-print system, and has been replaced with a new edition, has no errata thread. TR3057 Revised is rife with so many issues that there was no call for public errata; it needs a ground-up redesign of nearly every unit.
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #340 on: 11 July 2013, 04:50:33 »
Still on vacation, but I got access to a real computer briefly and thought I'd stop by.  I doubt the two threads I just made will feature very many posts, but I wanted to be complete.  Thanks to Moonsword for holding down the fort whlie I'm away.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #341 on: 11 July 2013, 09:19:03 »
Still on vacation, but I got access to a real computer briefly and thought I'd stop by.

Who are you, and where'd you get that red beemer?
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« Reply #342 on: 11 July 2013, 16:30:33 »
I don't know!  I just logged in one day and BAM!  Suddenly I've got phenomenal cosmic power and everyone thinks I'm a ham-fisted fascist.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #343 on: 11 July 2013, 16:35:39 »
I don't know!  I just logged in one day and BAM!  Suddenly I've got phenomenal cosmic power and everyone thinks I'm a ham-fisted fascist.

Get out! Get out while you still can!

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« Reply #344 on: 11 July 2013, 17:24:13 »
Xotl gave me a pretty good rundown before he left.  I've mostly been trying to keep things on an even keel in between bouts of panic when I realize I'm the one in charge of a major errata effort.

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« Reply #345 on: 11 July 2013, 18:00:43 »
Major errata effort?  haven't all the core books been covered now?  What's next?

On a side note, when can we expect the compiled AToW errata to go up?

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« Reply #347 on: 11 July 2013, 18:25:03 »
Major errata effort?  haven't all the core books been covered now?  What's next?

The job of keeping everything up to date with corrections, clarifications, and (sometimes) outright changes is a massive undertaking. There is no "finished" at any point. BattleTech's rules systems and universe are intricate and complicated to the point of chaos, and often one change can have a ripple effect through several published products and rules. When I first volunteered to the position of errata guy a few years back, there was no centralized process to solicit and track such things. Now BattleTech leads the industry in getting fixes available where needed, as fast as possible. It's a lot of ongoing work, though; every day sees new reports. The errata guy has to separate the wheat from the chaff, recognize where something may have already been covered and point the reporter to the current fix, and integrate new rulings in the proper style and format...plus give detailed and inclusive reports on demand.

So, there doesn't need to be a certain publication that's "under focus" for there to be a "major effort," and nothing is ever truly finished.
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« Reply #348 on: 11 July 2013, 20:26:36 »
I do understand it's a big job; I've certainly had enough back and forth with the devs on the rules board to see where interconnectivity issues arise.

I just took "major effort" to indicate something more than the day to day checks and submissions going on, so I figured that meant another book was going to have it's errata actually compiled.  I know the work won't be done, since it's pretty hard to eliminate all bugs, and 100% clarity is an impossible goal since you can't anticipate every edge case, but the core rule books have all gotten errata checks in the past few months.

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« Reply #349 on: 12 July 2013, 11:28:53 »
It did refer to a major compile effort: Moonsword was responsible for putting together the upcoming AToW errata, which was just completed.  He also handled wrapping up the TW release, when I had to go just before it was finished.
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« Reply #350 on: 12 July 2013, 11:33:51 »
It did refer to a major compile effort: Moonsword was responsible for putting together the upcoming AToW errata, which was just completed.  He also handled wrapping up the TW release, when I had to go just before it was finished.

Oh. Well then. *whistles nonchalantly*
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« Reply #351 on: 12 July 2013, 19:36:36 »
Well, you're right too, especially now that the rules team is so tightly integrated with errata production and collation.
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #352 on: 26 July 2013, 08:53:54 »
Since it's not likely to get a whole errata thread, I thought I should post this here:

Alpha Strike Preview 1, First Printing, page 14, Movement Example:

The dotted line indicating the top/bottom borders of the example is located in the wrong place. The bottom border is along the last sentence of the first paragraph.

Suggested fix:
Move to bottom of example text.
Remove bottom border completely, as in examples on pages 15 and 17.

Fixed in production release.
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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #353 on: 29 July 2013, 13:36:56 »
In the absence of a thread for it yet:

TRO3145 Lyran Commonwealth, pg. 27
The Weapons and Ammo section lists the base model as having two sets of three Flamers in the Left Arm.  The record sheets (and common sense) disagree with this.

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Display one set of three Flamers in both the Right and Left Arms on the base model.
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« Reply #354 on: 29 July 2013, 15:30:18 »
There's one now, please repost that in there.

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« Reply #355 on: 30 July 2013, 11:32:45 »
there are a lot of errata threads, but only a few have consolidated update lists.  is all posted errata in all the errata threads good enough for me to mark the changes in my books or is it subject to change? thank you


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« Reply #356 on: 30 July 2013, 11:37:27 »
It's all subject to review.  Anything that isn't specifically developer errata is not necessarily final.  In general, errata derived from rules questions is usually valid as well.

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Re: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads
« Reply #357 on: 30 July 2013, 11:45:51 »
To expand on that a bit:
Developer level errata is usually either put in by a member of the MUL team, a writer, Paul or someone with a white/grey Battlemaster. Nobody else will put out developer level errata.
Rules level errata falls under the same rule, but is usually put in by even less members, the MUL team is cut out with the exception of Xotl, who runs the errata.

As long as it is not put into a thread by any of those people, it is not final.
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« Reply #358 on: 30 July 2013, 11:48:13 »
On rare occasions writers will toss in some developer errata on their stuff. :)
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« Reply #359 on: 30 July 2013, 11:54:46 »
Writers... that nerdy little bunch ;)
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