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Season 4 kicks off today. The first 2 episodes have already aired multiple times today, and will next air at 5:30 eastern. They're also up on demand on Fios, or you can go here: http://watchdisneyxd.go.com/star-wars-rebels (http://watchdisneyxd.go.com/star-wars-rebels)
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You can mark your calendars for the following episodes:
Monday, 10/16 – “Heroes of Mandalore” Parts 1 & 2
Monday, 10/23 – “In the Name of the Rebellion” Parts 1 & 2
Monday, 10/30 – “The Occupation” and “Flight of the Defender”
Monday, 11/6 – “Kindred” and “Crawler Commandeers”
Monday, 11/13 – “Rebel Assault”
Following a holiday break, Star Wars Rebels will be back in early 2018 for its final run of episodes leading up to the series finale.
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I have to say that I really enjoyed "Heroes of Mandalore"...especially the nugget of lore we got about Mandalorian armor, and why it's so important to their people...and why the weapon that Sabine created was so anathema in the eyes of her people...
Ruger
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Ezra + jetpack ;D
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A couple really good episodes this week. Ties into Rogue One very well. Interesting to see a female Death Trooper commander (and a nice change from the movie, being able to understand them!).
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A couple really good episodes this week. Ties into Rogue One very well. Interesting to see a female Death Trooper commander (and a nice change from the movie, being able to understand them!).
I was rather hoping that Death Trooper would appear later in the season as a recurring enemy...
oh well...
The episodes were quite good though...
Ruger
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Definitely getting more serious here compared to the start. But still light hearted enough.
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Loved the scene ripped straight from Patton: Thrawn standing his ground against the Defender with a pistol. 8)
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He's a little too confident in his plot armor there.
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ACK cliffhangars. Up till now, we haven't really had any. Not sure I like it.
So, something I noticed from what we've seen of the base at the Massasi Temple: The Rebels appear to be out of A-Wings. Just some old Y-wings sitting around, but still no X-Wings to be found. Oh I do hope they "liberate" them. That was always a fun storyline from Legends. Be a real shame if they just show up.
On the Imperial side, those Defenders sure are nasty little buggers as they should be, but luckily, as of yet, we've only seen a couple.
Thrawn continues to impress with his ability to determine who's doing what and the fact he seems to have balls of steel (though he should know that shooting a fighter equipped with shields with a sidearm is pointless). I also notice Lothal appears to have started getting strip mined. Given the Jedi temple there where Ezra found his lightsaber crystal, they might be trying to harvest the big ones for use in the death star like what they were also doing on Jeddha (and presumably elsewhere given the rebels have now intercepted two shipments)
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Its just me or theres something fishy about why theyre running two episodes at a time before The Last Jedi?
Could be that something around half season is related to it?
(Ray is daughter of someone in the show - Ezra maybe :P)
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I would LOVE it if there was SOME tie in between the movies and other media.
The books, comics and animated series have done well expanding on the movies, but very little ever seems to make its way back aside from very minor references like Coruscant's name or General Syndulla getting a mention.
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Given Ezra's lack of romantic interests to date and how little time there is before TLJ comes out, I sure hope they're not going to go with that type of reveal.
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not sure the timeline works for that.. it's been established that Rey was born in 15 ABY, while the current Rebels season is 1 BBY, and Ezra was born 19 BBY (same day as the Empire and Luke skywalker), with Sabine being 2 years older (born 21 bby)
while having a kid in their 30's wouldn't be too odd, i have a hard time seeing how anything in season 4 of rebels could be connected to something that won't occur for another sixteen years. especially since they still haven't actually taken the Sabine/Ezra thing beyond "ezra has a crush"
personally i suspect that if Season 4 of rebels and TLJ have a connection, it will be something else. like Thrawn, or we see Hera and the Ghost, or something.
or it could just be that they want to get Season 4 over with before all the craziness around TLJ's release really hits and skews their ratings. (since the success of season 4 very likely will effect whatever their next big show project is)
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not sure the timeline works for that.. it's been established that Rey was born in 15 ABY, while the current Rebels season is 1 BBY, and Ezra was born 19 BBY (same day as the Empire and Luke skywalker), with Sabine being 2 years older (born 21 bby)
while having a kid in their 30's wouldn't be too odd, i have a hard time seeing how anything in season 4 of rebels could be connected to something that won't occur for another sixteen years. especially since they still haven't actually taken the Sabine/Ezra thing beyond "ezra has a crush"
personally i suspect that if Season 4 of rebels and TLJ have a connection, it will be something else. like Thrawn, or we see Hera and the Ghost, or something.
or it could just be that they want to get Season 4 over with before all the craziness around TLJ's release really hits and skews their ratings. (since the success of season 4 very likely will effect whatever their next big show project is)
The Fourth season is running only until Nov 18th, I think, then broadcast the back half of season four after the New Year.....
Craig
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looks like a pure "we don't want to have to compete with TLJ hype" to me then. with maybe an element of easter eggs the way the Ghost and Chopper were in Rogue One.
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The Fourth season is running only until Nov 18th, I think, then broadcast the back half of season four after the New Year.....
Craig
Isn't Solo coming in May '18? I have felt for a while that each Rebels half season was going to be a lead up to TLJ and Solo. Not in content mind you but just as part of the larger Spaceballs merchandising campaign.
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Hmm, well they've run into Lando. Maybe the crew of the Ghost will run into Han or Chewie.
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Hmm, well they've run into Lando. Maybe the crew of the Ghost will run into Han or Chewie.
Not according to this article: https://io9.gizmodo.com/dont-expect-any-han-solo-connections-in-the-final-seaso-1819778707 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/dont-expect-any-han-solo-connections-in-the-final-seaso-1819778707)
Craig
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i'm personalyl hoping we'll see a connection going the other way.. a han solo film would be a good place to see Hondo, Azmorgan, or Vizago make an appearance, at least on the scale of what the ghost, chopper, and Hera got in Rogue One.
also, i am of the Opinion the Ghost is the better ship. the falcon is fast.. but that's about all it has going for it. the Ghost has better firepower, is definitely in better shape, and actually seems to be more agile. (though hard to tell if that is the ship or just the pilot)
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Hondo definitely seems like someone Han would know.
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Hondo definitely seems like someone Han would know.
and Azmorgan seems to be the kind of crime lord Han might end up taking a job from from time to time, while Vizago could well be a bit of a competitor. and with Lando having dealt with all three at different points in the rebels show (based on dialog), it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them all to have worked in the same circles enough to recognize each other.
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also, i am of the Opinion the Ghost is the better ship. the falcon is fast.. but that's about all it has going for it. the Ghost has better firepower, is definitely in better shape, and actually seems to be more agile. (though hard to tell if that is the ship or just the pilot)
The Falcon has better firepower than the Ghost. Concussion missile launchers make the difference. I think the Falcon's shields are better as well. If memory serves, it has some serious military shields.
What the Ghost has going for it is stealth tech.
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The Ghost has proton torp tubes. Just saying. :D (It's also bigger, not that THAT necessarily says much)
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bear in mind that I haven't actually seen stats for the ghost, just going from whats on screen.
the falcon is likely about the same speed (or a touch slower) sublight, but a lot faster than the ghost in hyperspace. I don't see the ghost as having more than a 1.0 or 0.75 hyperdrive, the falcon has a 0.5 hyperdrive.
as far as firepower, the ghost has a couple forward lasers, and a twin laser turret I think. the falcon has 2 quad gun turrets, 2 concussion missile tubes, (forward) they are in between the forward mandibles and a retractable blaster for anti personnel use. as far as the falcons durability, it has reinforced military grade shields, and a reinforced hull. from what a stock yt-1300 has.
if you go by the novel Millennium Falcon, before Lando, and Han got their hands on the falcon, it had actually been totaled, basically someone took 2 (or 3) basically destroyed yt-1300 freighters and cobbled together 1 working ship out of them. the falcon had been pretty extensively modified and upgraded even before Han got it, and he upgraded and modified it further from there. such as upgrading the sensors etc.
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the Ghost has the twin laser turret forward, the dorsal twin laser turret, can use its mounted starfighter-shuttle as an aft twin laser turret, and has dual proton torpedo launchers.the Ghost also has a reinforced hull and military grade shields. this is all shown in the show. the lasers are also starfighter grade with long ranges, compared to the short ranged quadguns on the falcon. the Falcon's quadguns do have a bit better rate of fire though.
the ghost also has the ability to spoof the sensors of other ships.. scrambling its own signature to go unnoticed or to feed false information.
i base my agility claims on the show vs the falcon in ROTJ. the Ghost, even in the hands of Sabine, chopper, or Kanan definitely has an edge over the falcon in pure maneuverability.
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The Falcon is usually running at less than optimal capacity on its systems due to lack of routine maintenance, isn't it?
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no it gets a lot of routine maintenance, especially after they joined the rebels. the falcon's problem is that it is basically a junkpile flying in a loose formation that resembles a ship, that requires constant tinkering and juryrigging just to keep flying.
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no it gets a lot of routine maintenance, especially after they joined the rebels. the falcon's problem is that it is basically a junkpile flying in a loose formation that resembles a ship, that requires constant tinkering and juryrigging just to keep flying.
And it's an old, old model of ship, and certainly there seems to be only so much you can do with that. Since we got a canonical YT-2400 in Rebels, which belonged to the teenager's father (so the 2400's not exactly this year's spring model!), the YT-1300 is definitely MUCH older than the Ghost, which was fairly new just a few years before the events of Rebels as per A New Dawn. In Tarkin they also capture a 1300 and for some reason I remember them saying it predates the Clone Wars by a fair margin. I think. Now I can't find the reference; I know Vader was torturing the captain but my speedreading skills have failed me.
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It was in Revenge of the Sith:
(https://i.imgur.com/PL3GVAr.jpg?1)
George Lucas confirmed that it was the Millennium Falcon itself and not just another ship of the same class. And it was old then.
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i base my agility claims on the show vs the falcon in ROTJ. the Ghost, even in the hands of Sabine, chopper, or Kanan definitely has an edge over the falcon in pure maneuverability.
The Falcon was pretty agile in TFA even with Rey at the helm instead of Solo :)
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I think the Falcon is supposed to be around 50 to 100 years old as of the battle of Yavin, and it's not so much that it's a flying pile of junk/scrap, as that it's a perfect example of a jury rigged mess.
Look at it this way, the basic hull is 2 or more destroyed (totaled) ships (cars) patched togather to get something that works, then it has a drive out of something never intended to be used in that type of ship (cramming a big block v8 into a 4 cylinder motor vehicle) borderline capital ship guns (they are commonly used on a lancer frigate as anti starfighter defences) much more powerful shields than are stock, or even legal for freighters of the Falcons class, and on and on, in addition it has multiple Droid brains tied into and supplementing the main computer, and other makeshift, and jury rigged repairs to keep it running.
The ghost on the other hand is effectively a stock / professionally modified ship.
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I think the Falcon is supposed to be around 50 to 100 years old as of the battle of Yavin...
It was introduced 72 years BBY according to old canon in the West End RPG (and wookiepedia).
Ghost (a modified VCX-100 light freighter) isnt mentioned a date anywhere I checked.
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New canon, the Falcon is around 85+ years old by the Battle of Yavin.
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It was introduced 72 years BBY according to old canon in the West End RPG (and wookiepedia).
Ghost (a modified VCX-100 light freighter) isnt mentioned a date anywhere I checked.
Look.
I love the WEG d6 Star Wars game. Still looking to run it again after a horrific five sessions with the new FFG game - gods, is it awful.
But why would you bother consulting it for any kind of information?
I had a much longer, angrier post about this which I deleted because it was rather pointless, but still... WEG books were notorious for just makin' stuff up if they couldn't find hard numbers after a whole fifteen minutes of looking, and wookiepedia is awful dependent upon those books.
I've never laughed so hard when I watched wookiepedia about the HWK-290 - WEG books says it was 29 meters long (almost as big as the Falcon!) and Lucasfilm said 16.5 meters long when FFG asked them about it for the HWK X-Wing mini.
So which size did wookiepedia fight for, the one from the long-defunct RPG or the company who created the damn thing? Of course, the RPG! A bunch of deadline-writers knew better than the guys who built the model and kept exacting records of everything!
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on the FFG forums there was a long running arguement over the size. in the end someone installed the old game and took a bunch of screen shots where the character and the ship were in the same spot.. and it turned out that it scaled to 16.5 meters. they scaled it against the other ships in the game.. and it was 16.5 meters.
guess what size people still insisted it was? :P
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Good episode tonight, though faintly disappointing that the X-Wings are just shown being used by the Rebellion with no episode dedicated to their acquisition.
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i'm sure we'll get a Novel or comic series devoted to it eventually. better they do it offscreen though than have it be yet another thing the Ghost crew did for the rebellion. they've already done enough to get it built i think.
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Look.
I love the WEG d6 Star Wars game. Still looking to run it again after a horrific five sessions with the new FFG game - gods, is it awful.
But why would you bother consulting it for any kind of information?
I had a much longer, angrier post about this which I deleted because it was rather pointless, but still... WEG books were notorious for just makin' stuff up if they couldn't find hard numbers after a whole fifteen minutes of looking, and wookiepedia is awful dependent upon those books.
I've never laughed so hard when I watched wookiepedia about the HWK-290 - WEG books says it was 29 meters long (almost as big as the Falcon!) and Lucasfilm said 16.5 meters long when FFG asked them about it for the HWK X-Wing mini.
So which size did wookiepedia fight for, the one from the long-defunct RPG or the company who created the damn thing? Of course, the RPG! A bunch of deadline-writers knew better than the guys who built the model and kept exacting records of everything!
Your anger is a little misdirected in the case of the HWK-290. It wasn't created by Lucasfilm or West End Games (in fact, I think the west end games RPG was already out of print by that point). It was created by lucasarts for the Dark Forces computer game. The length appears to originate with the later Wizards of the Coast game.
The earlier West End Games RPG was a completely different entity and actually contributed a huge amount to the early expanded universe. Some of its bits even survived to make it to disney canon. Which isn't really significant, because it's still primarily legends continuity.
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i'm sure we'll get a Novel or comic series devoted to it eventually. better they do it offscreen though than have it be yet another thing the Ghost crew did for the rebellion. they've already done enough to get it built i think.
Wouldn't necessarily have to have been about how the Ghost team got it for them (which probably would have been too derivative of the way the B-Wing's intro was handled last season), but it would have been nice to see it getting rolled out and see things like Hera's reaction since she's one of the best pilots in the Rebellion.
Though I notice that she's already been promoted to general.
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One other thing about the X-Wing: I think this episode was the first canon time that it was shown that an X-Wing can fire its lasers with its S-Foils not in attack position.
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Ruger
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O_O
I was not ready for that.
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:o
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WHELP!
(https://i.imgur.com/vPD5S87.gif)
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I was not ready for that.
I was expecting it from the stuff at the beginning of the episode.
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I was not ready for that.
Long overdue. Should have been last season.
That being said, I don't think we've seen the last of him.
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I was expecting it from the stuff at the beginning of the episode.
Yeah, the foreshadowing was strong with this one.
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Long overdue. Should have been last season.
For me it was the proper time. Rescuing a fellow rebel and fulfilling a mission by delaying the Defender factory like a proper Jedi (unlike someone we know in TLJ). This was a proper true end.
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One other thing about the X-Wing: I think this episode was the first canon time that it was shown that an X-Wing can fire its lasers with its S-Foils not in attack position.
Hidalgo replied in the online after show that X-Wings always could do that but the main difference is that the attack position spreads the shots more to give a harder time to TIE pilots.
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I was expecting it from the stuff at the beginning of the episode.
I didn't say I wasn't expecting it. They did kind of call it out from the start. I just said I wasn't ready for it. I also expected him to have a bit more agency to his heroic sacrifice
Long overdue. Should have been last season.
That being said, I don't think we've seen the last of him.
I think the timing worked out quite well.
Hidalgo replied in the online after show that X-Wings always could do that but the main difference is that the attack position spreads the shots more to give a harder time to TIE pilots.
So I guess that means the old Legends reasoning of there being radiators in the wings and that they can fire when closed but can't sustain a high rate for long is gone. Shame, I thought that was a better reason even if it was still kinda odd (like how TIE wings are supposed to be solar panels or something)
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Right in the feels
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I though Zeb took the Ghost back to Yavin with Kallus. How did he end up on Lothal?
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I though Zeb took the Ghost back to Yavin with Kallus. How did he end up on Lothal?
That was Kallus and Rex...
Ruger
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Let's see, Hera and Chopper both show up in Rogue One so they're safe, who else do we think will killed off this season?
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We know from the trailer that Ezra faces Palpatine. I can't see that ending well.
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Chopper's thought:
"Dammit, I had Zeb in the dead pool!"
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Well considering Ezra is the only one left that they need to remove from the story line in some fashion the rest could actually be rather safe.
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Well considering Ezra is the only one left that they need to remove from the story line in some fashion the rest could actually be rather safe.
I still don't see why he has to be removed - and it isn't because I particularly LIKE him.
We know that Yoda and Obi-Wan are perfectly capable of both lying and withholding the truth from Luke for their purposes; not selfish ones, but ones that fit their need to restore balance and destroy the Emperor. Telling him, "Hey man, if you go down, there's NO ONE to take your place," is perfectly in line with that.
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They could EASILY have him go on walkabout like Ashoka. She was a prominent force user and said herself she wasn't a Jedi anymore, and given Snoke in the sequel films who is not a Sith-lord, there's room for not-Jedi Knights roaming around.
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Which is why I said remove not kill.
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Well, that's one question answered...and a whole bunch raised...
And I'm wondering about that new character introed tonight...don't think we caught a name, but he looked somewhat familiar...
Ruger
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And now we wait for Rebels Recon to be posted.
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And I'm wondering about that new character introed tonight...don't think we caught a name, but he looked somewhat familiar...
Ruger
Are you talking about the Emperors minister? I heard a name but cant figure it out...
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And I'm wondering about that new character introed tonight...don't think we caught a name, but he looked somewhat familiar...
The episode guide says he was originally supposed to be Vader's attendant Vanee' from Rogue One, but changing needs of the story made it easier for him to become the unrelated character Minister Veris Hydan.
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The episode guide says he was originally supposed to be Vader's attendant Vanee' from Rogue One, but changing needs of the story made it easier for him to become the unrelated character Minister Veris Hydan.
Yeah, now that I think about it more, he looks similar to one of the ones that attended the Emperor on the Death Star II...but no mention was made of that in his Wookiepedia entry...
Ruger
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I'll be honest, I felt Rebels was at its best when the story bumped up against the Rebellion and wasn't nearly as strong when it bumped up against Jedi/The Force. Last night would have been intriguing if it weren't the penultimate episode pairing and instead was the finale of the penultimate season.
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Mortis arc SUCKED. It wasn't the worst of The Clone Wars, but that only says something about how generally awful TCW could sink. To see it referenced... hurt me.
It took the metaphysical ideals of the Force and made them physical as actual, boring, and killable gods; it took the prophecy of the Chosen One (with its twist of 'bringing balance to the Force' meaning he kills both sides) and urinates all over the only halfway clever idea to come out of the prequels; and what's more it ends with a "It was all a dream... OR WAS IT!?" straight from the worst movies of the 1950s.
I was totally unsurprised to hear Pablo Hidalgo mention in Rebels Recon that it was Lucas's idea to put the Mortis arc into The Clone Wars, it had his prints all over it.
I won't lie, I actually rolled my eyes and said, "WHAT?!" when I saw that wall painting. After all the work the crew has done to lay out a subtle, nuanced notion of the Force, to see one of the most boneheaded TCW episodes reference...
But other than that, it was a good episode, and I am looking forward to the next one. Always nice to see Palpatine, he's just enjoying himself so much. I can't say that I liked Ahsoka living, but I don't have a hate for the idea either. Some great quips, and that moment when you saw Kanan's ghost touching Hera's shoulder...
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Well, now we know who survived and who didn't...at least for the most part. Not sure I liked all of what they did, but it does set it up for another series...
Ruger
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I liked that Rex had his helmet from Endor on :)
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Still hate the New Canon with a passion but this was a good finale; I am Happy that HE and His fleet still survived and that we might see them again-
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As Tim Zahn wrote in Heir to the Empire: had Thrawn been at Endor, the Empire would have won.
He had to go.
And Luke had to be the last hope for the Jedi - "No. There is another" ;)
I want to see Ahsoka in one of our upcoming films!
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I think what disturbs me the most is that humans and Twi'leks can interbreed. It actually hurts my head a little.
But name dropping Pellaeon was interesting as well.
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What I find hard to believe is that the Empire never even tried to take Lothal back. It was years between the finale here and the epilogue. Especially with the person involvement of the Emperor, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't make sure to take the planet back...Or just obliterate it.
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I would say It was one of the objectives for DS 1. It's just because a farmboy helped a disgruntled employee stop it that the planet still exist. 8)
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I liked that Rex had his helmet from Endor on :)
You mean the helmet he's going to wear at Endor. ;D
Did they say how Hera made it off Lothal to be on the Ghost?
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They just mentioned it was hard, but not how it was accomplished.
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Did anyone have closed captioning on and see how they spelled the name of Hera's kid? I didn't, but I've seen several mentions of "Jacen".
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That's how I saw it spelled on the closed captioning but the CC tends to not be accurate all the time.
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Did anyone have closed captioning on and see how they spelled the name of Hera's kid? I didn't, but I've seen several mentions of "Jacen".
That's how the Wookiepedia file has it, and I think I saw it from Filoni as well...it was supposed to be a tribute to Jacen Solo from Legends...
Speaking of which, he also confirmed that he was the voice of Chopper, and that both of the questionable survivals did survive their trip...
With all the possibilities that such survival entails... ;D
Ruger
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That's how I saw it spelled on the closed captioning but the CC tends to not be accurate all the time.
Star Wars tweeted immediately after something like, "it is spelled just like you think."
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With all the possibilities that such survival entails...
And two upcoming movie trilogies set in previously unseen parts of the galaxy... ;)
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I think what disturbs me the most is that humans and Twi'leks can interbreed. It actually hurts my head a little.
That was already confirmed in Clone Wars, which IIRC also had half-human, half-Zabrak characters as well.
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That was already confirmed in Clone Wars, which IIRC also had half-human, half-Zabrak characters as well.
Even the old EU had hybrids...such as a half-human / half-bothan Jedi...
Ruger
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What I find hard to believe is that the Empire never even tried to take Lothal back. It was years between the finale here and the epilogue. Especially with the person involvement of the Emperor, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't make sure to take the planet back...Or just obliterate it.
With the Jedi Temple destroyed, he may have had no reason to go back to Lothal.
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With the Jedi Temple destroyed, he may have had no reason to go back to Lothal.
They liberated themselves and are no longer bowing to him. Palpatine never seemed to be the sort that would allow slights like this to go unpunished.
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They liberated themselves and are no longer bowing to him. Palpatine never seemed to be the sort that would allow slights like this to go unpunished.
As was already stated before, he probably intended to go back but with the destruction of the DS1 it most likely stopped being a huge priority. Ships that could have been used to bombard the planet were instead needed to combat the Rebels in other systems.
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With how much on the back foot the Rebel Alliance was, I find that hard to believe.
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Was it ever mentioned how much time there was between Rebels and Rogue One/Ep IV?
At one point I figured Rebels S1 was maybe 3 years or so before that point.
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With how much on the back foot the Rebel Alliance was, I find that hard to believe.
Part of the reason was that much of the Alliance was buying into the idea that the Empire's military might was unbeatable. Seeing them get beaten on Lothal would have greatly emboldened Rebel cells on other planets and encouraged them to rise up and start fighting. Plus, the Empire had just lost one of its most skilled admirals.
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It is still a little weird as presented.
I too find it a little out of character that the Emperor even he ordered Lothal to be a target of Death Star I wouldn't round up a bunch more Star Destroyers and make an example of the place from orbit.
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Is Lothal named in any new book? or anywhere in the new cannon? If not, we can assume the received a base delta zero from an imperial fleet between the end of Rebel and Rogue 1.
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Is Lothal named in any new book? or anywhere in the new cannon? If not, we can assume the received a base delta zero from an imperial fleet between the end of Rebel and Rogue 1.
I haven't seen the episode, but I believe the final episode includes a scene set after Endor. So, nope.
It rankles my evil overlord nerves to think that Lothal got away with their rebellion, but at the same time I suppose we have to acknowledge that Rebels is still primarily a kid's show, and cutting away to a scene of the Empire returning and laying waste to the planet, or even just occupying it again (haha, all your best efforts are pointless kids!) would be a bit much.
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Was it ever mentioned how much time there was between Rebels and Rogue One/Ep IV?
At one point I figured Rebels S1 was maybe 3 years or so before that point.
Rebels ran between 4 or 5 years BBY in season 1 to sometime around 1 (or so) BBY at the final battle with Thrawn...the epilogue was set some indeterminate time after the Battle of Endor...it had a couple time jumps of a few months between some of the seasons, but was otherwise about a year a season...
Ruger
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The end of rebels (before the time jump epilogue) is very shortly before scariff (rogue one) according to filloni. So jedda would have been occurring around the same time or almost immediately afterwards.
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It rankles my evil overlord nerves to think that Lothal got away with their rebellion, but at the same time I suppose we have to acknowledge that Rebels is still primarily a kid's show, and cutting away to a scene of the Empire returning and laying waste to the planet, or even just occupying it again (haha, all your best efforts are pointless kids!) would be a bit much.
If I may amplify a bit:
Grand Moff Tarkin: Princess Leia, before your execution, you will join me at a ceremony that will make this battle station operational. No star system will dare oppose the Emperor now.
Princess Leia Organa: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
I'd suggest that Leia's statement comes less from defiant bravado and more from an informed "ya been screwin' up, govnah" point of view.
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It IS, indeed possible Lothal wasn't an isolated incident, and Leia's comment would definitely support that idea, even earlier seasons or Rebels have planets defying the Empire. As large as the Empire is, they can't be everywhere, hence the Tarkin Doctrine's goal of making everyone too terrified to dare oppose the Empire.
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Keep in mind two things. Lothal wasnt part of the Alliance, it was just one world. Second, up until Endor it seemed the Empire was winning. To the Emperor, in his extreme arrogance, he was going to finish of the galaxy wide uprising (the more serious issue) soon and then coild move on to the individual worlds that slipped away during the war.
Also, while on Lothal a former padawan had shown himself and trained his own apprentice, the Alliance had managed to bring a Jedi Master out of retirement. And he had with him someone named Skywalker. So yes, Lothal totally not a priority
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With the Jedi Temple destroyed, he may have had no reason to go back to Lothal.
I thought there were TIE Defender factories on Lothal. Or were they housed more in the dome/ship? If they were in the dome, it might explain why you never see Defenders in the movies AND explain why Lothal didn't have a squadron of Star Destroyers returning to its doorstep
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Yes, there were defenders on lothal. But they were just starting the line, and governor price blew up to fuel the factories needed to keep going. Then the finale happened.
Also the defender was thrawn's personal project, without him pushing it, and project stardust consuming resources, it withered
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Eh, bit of a plot hole there in my mind. The fuel depot just stopped powering the factories as I understood, but the factories were still there. If they just needed more gas, it could work on a small-scale to support the Rebellion or at least supply the planetary defenders of Lothal.
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That's why Thran was away from Lothal; he had to see the emperor to make his case for continuing the TIE Defender project.
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And that part, not resuming TIE Defender production, of the plot makes the most sense.
That The Empire was never willing/able to make an example out of Lothal before Endor though? That strikes me as not terribly consistent with what we know about the Emperor and the Empire.
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Well, there's what you'd like to do, and there's what you're able to do. And when you've got a ragtag bunch of misfits that keeps blowing up your superweapons and warships, what you'd like to do often isn't what you're able to do.
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Which leads to a problem that all presentations of Star Wars have had, they really haven't shown the Rebels to be that credible of a military power that they could have destroyed enough ships to keep the Empire from finding another dozen or so Star Destroyers and flattening Lothal.
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Lothal had planetary shields though, so simply blasting it from orbit wouldn't have been effective enough.
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Presumably, the Imperial ships weren't destroyed, probably not even meaningfully damaged. They were just busy. You don't have to even shoot at a ship to tie it up trying to catch you.
Lothal had planetary shields though, so simply blasting it from orbit wouldn't have been effective enough.
Those were in the Imperial Complex, which got blown up by the rebels.
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And if they didn't chase Rebels and went for Lothal what exactly could stop them at that point?
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As was already stated before, he probably intended to go back but with the destruction of the DS1 it most likely stopped being a huge priority. Ships that could have been used to bombard the planet were instead needed to combat the Rebels in other systems.
this season started a year before Scarif-Yavin. given all the stuff that happened in it.. the finale's events probably only occurred a few weeks to a few days before the events of Rogue One. so right at the time that an imperial fleet has been gathered to take back lothal.. it would have gotten the word to redirect to the systems around Scarif to help hunt down parts of the escaping rebel fleet. or been ordered to go to Tatooine to support Lord Vader.
then afterwards there was just too much other important stuff to devote the resources to.
Presumably, the Imperial ships weren't destroyed, probably not even meaningfully damaged. They were just busy. You don't have to even shoot at a ship to tie it up trying to catch you.
actually it is heavily implied that the Purgill destroyed the Blockade that was in orbit. though i suppose it was possible that they just heavily crippled it, and the survivors fled.
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Sorry, I meant the fleet as a whole. The purgill wrecked a few ISDs and another was crashed at Scarrif, but that's a paltry few ships in the Imperial Navy. Definitely not enough to hamper operations, and in regular engagements with rebels (the usual, small skirmishes with a squadron of small rebel ships) during the entirerty of the rebellion, I can't imagine many Imperial ships were damaged or destroyed, but would certainly be tied up prosecuting those battles, and, after Yavin, chasing down the rebels was top priority.
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Actually I would think that would make eliminating Lothal even more important. Yavin was being evacuated and the rebels would at least need supply. Lothal is pretty close to Yavin and is certainly rebel sympathetic. Add in that it temporarily evicted the Empire and you just do not let that stand no matter what if you are the Emperor. You have to make an example out of them.
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Sorry, I meant the fleet as a whole. The purgill wrecked a few ISDs and another was crashed at Scarrif, but that's a paltry few ships in the Imperial Navy. Definitely not enough to hamper operations, and in regular engagements with rebels (the usual, small skirmishes with a squadron of small rebel ships) during the entirerty of the rebellion, I can't imagine many Imperial ships were damaged or destroyed, but would certainly be tied up prosecuting those battles, and, after Yavin, chasing down the rebels was top priority.
given the success at Scarif and Yavin*, and word getting otu about Lothal, it could be that you saw a major upswing in worlds actively opposing the Empire via insurgencies or outright uprisings. the imperial fleet may be huge, but the Galaxy they are trying to control is huger still.
*one of the reasons i've put forward for why Scarif and Yavin are the victories that kickstarted the serious rebellion, and not lothal, is how the Empire would have to respond to Scarfi and Yavin. basically, with Lothal they could pretend for the wider galaxy that it didn't happen. lothal didn't have much of a trade presence before the empire came, according to the supplementary materials, so the Empire could claim they relocated the factories and withdrew the garrison.. basically pretend the liberation didn't happen. at least for as long as they'd need to arrange some sort of real response (which got derailed by Scarif-Yavin and what followed)
At Scarif a major Imperial facility, a hub for nearly all data traffic through that half of the galaxy, was destroyed. and since the Empire cannot claim that it was an accident. and wouldn't want to admit Tarkin blew up their own facility for largely petty reasons, they would have to blame it on the rebel alliance, which had a fleet there.. but in the process they'd have to admit that not only did the rebels have a "great victory" but also that the rebellion is much larger, better equipped, and more organized than their propaganda had been telling the people. it was a lose-lose situation. and in the days that followed, you had Alderaan blown up by the Death Star as part of a demonstration about how powerful the empire is and to intimidate worlds into toeing the Imperial line.. an act that not only requires them to publicly admit they destroyed the world but also reveals that a weapon capable of destroying planets is in imperial hands. this would further undercut the propaganda the Empire uses to sell its totalitarianism to the people as being in their best interest. alternately, if they try to claim someone else built and used it, it makes the empire look weak and ineffective at protecting people. (geeze, tarkin is good at getting himself into those isn't he?) again ,a lose-lose situation. and no one is going to take the idea of the rebels building such a thing seriously, since there would only be one feasible group withthe resources to build such a thing. then cam Yavin, where the Rebel Alliance managed to destroy said superweapon. while the Empire would not be about to advertise that aspect, the fact is that the Rebellion would be.. and combined with the arrest of the senate and the other actions the Empire took in those few days, would make the rebel message very potent.
so basically, Scarif-Yavin is the pivotal moments because it put the Empire into a situation where no matter what it did.. the Empire came out looking terrible, and the Rebellion looking pretty good. Lothal on the other hand is a fairly minor side event.. the Rebel Alliance proper wasn't even involved, and if not for the timing, the Empire easily would have just steamrollered the world back under, or worse, rendered it uninhabitable with a "Base Delta Zero Initiative" (which given we had reference to that being used to 'liberate' 'another' world earlier i nthe show, this suggests that worlds rising up and kicking the empire off was fairly common.. it just usually didn't last.)
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Also keep in mind, Lothal seems to be in Tarkin's jurisdiction. With his departure due to a slight case of death, his sucessor would have had a big mess to clean up outsidemof Lothal (the destruction of project atardust, the dissappearence of Thrawn's fleet, and other issues). So the person who most likely would have been delegated the Lothal retaliation had enough on their plate one world got put on the back burner. And with no Jedi remaining and no Alliance affiliation, the Emperor had no reason to assign an independant force like Vader's fleet to it.
Also, the War only lasted 4 or 5 years past Yavin. Given the size of the galaxy and all that was going on not all that long for something to be put off
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Also... FWIW keep in mind there was (up until the beginning of New Hope) the imperial senate ("The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away." - Tarkin) would give a token supervision of the Empire operations... I guess...
If so... the end of Rebels about Lothal is appropriate.
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The galaxy is large, and even the Empire can only project so much force. Otherwise a Rebellion could never have succeeded.
I...
Loved it.
It wasn't the BEST moment of the series - that was the final battle between Maul and Obi-Wan, or possibly the death flag moment of Kanan, or the battle between Ahsoka and Vader, or the subtle introduction of the Sith Code from Maul to Ezra, or... I'm going to stop now - but it was up there. I also paused the show the moment they talked about beaming out a signal on a frequency no one uses and told my wife, "Pergill." She didn't believe me, and look what it got her!
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Is Lothal named in any new book? or anywhere in the new cannon? If not, we can assume the received a base delta zero from an imperial fleet between the end of Rebel and Rogue 1.
Thawn --- it has the background and rise of Governor Price as a substory....
Craig
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Thawn --- it has the background and rise of Governor Price as a substory....
Craig
I guess he meant after the events in Rebels...
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That's what I mean. :)
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New series coming this fall:
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-resistance-set-for-fall-debut
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Interesting.
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Yeah, I was hoping for more Sabine and What's Her Name but this will do.