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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #60 on: 24 October 2019, 14:45:19 »
And the new characters in episodes 10, 11, and 12 just aren't as cool as Rey, Poe, and Finn.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #61 on: 24 October 2019, 14:47:06 »
And the new characters in episodes 10, 11, and 12 just aren't as cool as Rey, Poe, and Finn.


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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #62 on: 24 October 2019, 15:12:37 »
I guarantee that in 10 years time, the prominent discussion will be whether Empire or Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.
I doubt this.

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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #63 on: 24 October 2019, 16:03:00 »
Oddly enough, for me, Solo did that.  If it didn't have the Star Wars brand name on it with the expectations that the brand brings, it'd have been a fantastic science fiction story.  It had that down-on-his-luck outsider coming into a world he didn't fully understand while making hard choices based on his own values that he's just beginning to understand storyline that made A New Hope such a memorable movie.

TLJ left such a bad taste in my mouth that Solo is the only SW film I've *not* seen in theaters (and Ep9 will definitely be the second). But, having watched it since.....it's not bad. Alden Ehrenreich's performance has really grown on me.

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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #64 on: 24 October 2019, 16:07:56 »
I guarantee that in 10 years time, the prominent discussion will be whether Empire or Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.

Star Wars fandom will likely be so toxic by that point that such an exchange will only be conducted via baseball bats to the skull.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #65 on: 24 October 2019, 16:18:52 »
Deceptively good trailer, for a film I fear will suck.

What I see here is an attempt to add in all the tropes in order to cash in at the expense of plot.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #66 on: 24 October 2019, 16:28:10 »
Star Wars fandom will likely be so toxic by that point that such an exchange will only be conducted via baseball bats to the skull.
You mean like Star Trek fandom is now? :)


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« Reply #67 on: 24 October 2019, 16:32:28 »
You mean like Star Trek fandom is now? :)

Was it the age of the sci fi property, or was it just J.J.? I guess we won't know unless he ruins a third sci-fi franchise!  ;D

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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #68 on: 24 October 2019, 16:35:57 »
Gonna go with JJ on that one.  How was MIB: International?  :P
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #69 on: 24 October 2019, 17:18:49 »
Gonna go with JJ on that one.  How was MIB: International?  :P
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #70 on: 24 October 2019, 17:45:55 »
Intended to revitalize a series, it instead appears to have killed it.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #71 on: 24 October 2019, 18:11:25 »
I'll see it regardless of what critics say. Sure I thought TLJ was dumber than a sack of hammers because of what they chose to do, but still, I'll see this.

Same. If this episode 9 is enough for me to like ill just forget that 8 exists and 7 is a big cutted mess.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #72 on: 24 October 2019, 19:25:40 »
MIB International was the worst of the MIB movies. Even worse than MIB 3.

The hypothesis fits the pattern.  JJ Abrams is clearly the culprit.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #73 on: 24 October 2019, 19:41:34 »
Waxing philosophical, every IP is a hit away from relevancy again. Star Wars is no different, fans tend to look past the stinking poo patties to the newly sprouted petunias, a little stench is to be expected now and again. Most fans carry prescription rose-colored glasses by fiat. However, in the absence of petunias, problems abound.

I'm of the mind, that some of the angst has more to do with the misuse of characters, and by extension the actors, in a one-shot-to-get-it-right opportunity, given the age of said actors. Disney appears to not only to have just missed the mark, but failed, because now that opportunity is gone, without some hefty CGI or lawyers. As said characters and/or actors are now deceased. I really think that's the crux of it. Who willingly writes themselves into a corner the way they did? On principle, I would have fired someone. The older characters should have passed the torch to a new group of characters, for more stories, not sure anyone even cares about the new characters?

I'm sure the final installment will look fantastic, but that is about it.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #74 on: 24 October 2019, 19:48:42 »
They did.  Luke passed the torch to Rey, Leia to Poe.  I suspect that having had 20+ more years to care about the original characters makes this harder to identify or accept gracefully.

It's really easy especially with properties you feel invested in, to reject the way a story is told as bad when really it's just not what you wanted the story to be.  I disagree with some of the ways JJ Abrams decided to tell The Force Awakens and really don't look forward to seeing how he does Rise of Skywalker (mostly in the style over substance and pacing categories), but "written into a corner" is not how I'd describe anything about the sequel trilogy.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #75 on: 24 October 2019, 19:49:20 »
Was it the age of the sci fi property, or was it just J.J.? I guess we won't know unless he ruins a third sci-fi franchise!  ;D

I'm cringing at the idea of JJ doing a Babylon 5 reboot or something equally heinous.

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« Reply #76 on: 24 October 2019, 20:00:17 »
I'm cringing at the idea of JJ doing a Babylon 5 reboot or something equally heinous.

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« Reply #77 on: 24 October 2019, 20:08:06 »
I'm cringing at the idea of JJ doing a Babylon 5 reboot or something equally heinous.

I don't think he's got the attention span to do a TV show.  He'd probably do Aliens or Warner Bros will hire him to make the next Batman movie or something.
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #78 on: 24 October 2019, 20:10:18 »
I guarantee that in 10 years time, the prominent discussion will be whether Empire or Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie.

That is about as likely as an armadillo sprouting wings.

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« Reply #79 on: 24 October 2019, 21:14:52 »
That is about as likely as an armadillo sprouting wings.

This sounds like a job...for SCIENCE!!
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« Reply #80 on: 24 October 2019, 21:49:03 »
He'd probably do Aliens
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Re: The Rise of Skywalker final trailer
« Reply #81 on: 24 October 2019, 21:58:23 »
I'm of the mind, that some of the angst has more to do with the misuse of characters, and by extension the actors, in a one-shot-to-get-it-right opportunity, given the age of said actors. Disney appears to not only to have just missed the mark, but failed, because now that opportunity is gone, without some hefty CGI or lawyers. As said characters and/or actors are now deceased. I really think that's the crux of it. Who willingly writes themselves into a corner the way they did? On principle, I would have fired someone. The older characters should have passed the torch to a new group of characters, for more stories, not sure anyone even cares about the new characters?

I'm sure the final installment will look fantastic, but that is about it.

Not only a misuse of characters but to add insult to injury a convoluted mess of a story(ies). I loved the prequels (except Jar Jar - that's my only serious complaint - but I can understand why hes in there). In this new trilogy they could do a much better job storywise (not hard to do it - I was open minded about a lot of ideas I read on the net or in conversation with some friends). Theres not much to care about the new characters. Even BB8 doesn't make me to care about him (I don't know or care if it was made on purpose to be a part of the story or just to sell toys). Also like I wrote in another topic it makes me angry that for some stuff to be understood we need to read novels or comics or whatever...
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« Reply #82 on: 24 October 2019, 23:38:08 »
(maybe they'll give him a Transformers movie)

Naw, there aren't enough ways he could do a worse job than Bay.  Maybe the next Jurassic World movie.
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« Reply #83 on: 24 October 2019, 23:44:57 »
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« Reply #84 on: 25 October 2019, 00:24:30 »
They never did do a matching She-Ra to match the Dolph Lundgren He-Man.  Give him that.   ;D
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« Reply #85 on: 25 October 2019, 01:15:08 »
I doubt this.

Me too.  Most everyone i know, puts Empire #1 period, and Last jedi ranks very low..

Intended to revitalize a series, it instead appears to have killed it.

Just like some fear the new Terminator is doing for that franchise..

Even BB8 doesn't make me to care about him (I don't know or care if it was made on purpose to be a part of the story or just to sell toys).

SELL TOYS..  Most definitely!

They never did do a matching She-Ra to match the Dolph Lundgren He-Man.  Give him that.   ;D

Oh helllzz no...

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« Reply #86 on: 25 October 2019, 01:55:08 »
Me too.  Most everyone i know, puts Empire #1 period, and Last jedi ranks very low..

In 1980, there was a vocal section of the Star Wars fanbase who hated Empire. Broadly, their complaints were similar to those of the people who dislike Last Jedi - they didn't like that Leia and Han got together instead of her and Luke, they insisted that Darth Vader was lying about being Luke's father, they thought the movie was too much of a downer, didn't like the lack of space battles, and so on.

They're almost forgotten about now.
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« Reply #87 on: 25 October 2019, 01:59:06 »
In 1980 there was all of 3 years of Star Wars history

Its not exactly apples and apples

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« Reply #88 on: 25 October 2019, 02:20:07 »
In 1980 there was all of 3 years of Star Wars history

Its not exactly apples and apples

It's a similar percentage of the fanbase who cared about that stuff 40 years ago and dislike TLJ for the same reasons.  For the vast majority of people, Star Wars is 11 movies.  They've not watched the TV shows, they sure as hell haven't read the novels or the comics or the sourcebooks and RPGs.
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« Reply #89 on: 25 October 2019, 02:43:43 »
It's a similar percentage of the fanbase who cared about that stuff 40 years ago and dislike TLJ for the same reasons.  For the vast majority of people, Star Wars is 11 movies.  They've not watched the TV shows, they sure as hell haven't read the novels or the comics or the sourcebooks and RPGs.
The fans who disliked the new direction of Star Wars, disliked it because it shelved 40 years of universe across nearly every form of creative media known to man. That is a major difference from 3 years of history.

The vast majority of people still had exposure to 7 more Star Wars movies than audiences of ESB did. That is a major difference from 1 prior movie.

Also, this probably explains why TLJ is perceived relatively favourably by the "vast majority". Because they are not affected by what affected the longtime fans. This is a weakness of relying on the popular rating poll, which doesn't differentiate between these two audiences.

 

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