Author Topic: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be? (Read 144531 times)

grimlock1 · « **Reply #60 on:** 01 November 2019, 11:01:06 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 01 November 2019, 10:40:20

Yeah, but how screaming fast do you have to come in on approach? The stall speed on that can NOT be comfortably low...

It's going to be noticeably draggy-ier than a Viper by that high cockpit, which probably generates some weird vorticies. It's also going to be heavier to account for that GAU-8, but the increased surface from a cranked arrow wing should offset quite a bit of that. I'm not saying this thing would ever be mentioned in the same breath as the P-51D, but I doubt it would a B-26 either. Digital flight controls should address most of the weirdness cause by the strange layout, but there will still be a lot of quirks. Although I am concerned that control authority at low speeds might become an issue, regardless of lift. If this thing was meant to be some kind of next gen A-10, it won't have anything like the low speed performance or loiter time.

Garrand · « **Reply #61 on:** 01 November 2019, 11:56:54 »

I would also question what sort of warload it could carry too. While the big honkin' gun in the A-10 is scary, the flexible warload across 11 hardpoints is what makes the A-10 really effective at its job. That design just doesn't strike me as being able to carry much.

Damon.

grimlock1 · « **Reply #62 on:** 01 November 2019, 14:50:16 »

Quote from: Garrand on 01 November 2019, 11:56:54

I would also question what sort of warload it could carry too. While the big honkin' gun in the A-10 is scary, the flexible warload across 11 hardpoints is what makes the A-10 really effective at its job. That design just doesn't strike me as being able to carry much.

Damon.

I suspect there are quite a few reasons that this thing is just a couple of obscure sketches.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #63 on:** 01 November 2019, 17:26:45 »

When things go wrong, they go wrong hard, and gravity is a *****. OV-1 Mohawk in private hands went down today at an airshow; pilot dead but nobody in the stands was affected it seems.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/us/florida-air-show-plane-crash-trnd/index.html

Damn shame.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #64 on:** 01 November 2019, 21:01:11 »

The report I saw said it was practicing for a show, not performing.

chanman · « **Reply #65 on:** 02 November 2019, 16:54:35 »

I know we've discussed the SR-71's visibility along with comments about its infrared signature in the last thread, but I just ran across this low-light photo of a Blackbird in full afterburner at low altitude. That's a lotta fire!

Daryk · « **Reply #66 on:** 02 November 2019, 17:07:10 »

No kidding! :o

During the day that might be lost in the sun, but any other time...

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #67 on:** 02 November 2019, 17:13:54 »

Quote from: Daryk on 02 November 2019, 17:07:10

During the day the sun might be lost in that

ftfy

Daryk · « **Reply #68 on:** 02 November 2019, 17:21:33 »

LOL... and like the new avatar ANS Kamas P81! :thumbsup:

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #69 on:** 02 November 2019, 18:43:00 »

Meanwhile, from Popular Mechanics...the Kratos Valkyrie!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a28969767/air-force-disposable-warplanes/

The plan is now a three-million-dollar drone to fly alongside F-35s, the -35 acting as the flight leader and the drones as wingmen; one JSF with three drones instead of a flight of four -35s. Costwise, there's something to it, going from around 350 million dollars of jets to under 100 at any given time, plus saving a lot of maintenance hours on the pricey jets...but I can't help but wonder how overworked the pilots are going to be. Unless the autonomous software capability is that crazy good now, in which case...well, there's a reason they're fast-tracking the program to be fully up by 2023.

Can't help but think I saw this somewhere before, somewhere else that had Valkyries in it. Coincidence? Totally, I'm sure...

^-^

Daryk · « **Reply #70 on:** 02 November 2019, 18:48:31 »

Oh sure... TOTALLY coincidence... ^-^

Luciora · « **Reply #71 on:** 02 November 2019, 19:18:52 »

Macross II

Fat Guy · « **Reply #72 on:** 02 November 2019, 20:20:32 »

Story was crap, Mecha designs were gorgeous!

And as freaking goofy as some of the later series are, THIS is the one that's non canon? ???

Deadborder · « **Reply #73 on:** 02 November 2019, 20:32:53 »

Quote from: Fat Guy on 02 November 2019, 20:20:32

Story was crap, Mecha designs were gorgeous!

And as freaking goofy as some of the later series are, THIS is the one that's non canon? ???

The reasons why Macross II is non-canon would be enough for an entire thread of their own

Luciora · « **Reply #74 on:** 02 November 2019, 20:42:59 »

Really loved the Valkeries and wish they got the Bandai MG treatment, or at least Hasegawa. They were very limited release compared to the canon counterparts.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #75 on:** 02 November 2019, 23:20:45 »

Anime talk to the anime thread!

Meanwhile, Russia has adopted Creeper camouflage.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #76 on:** 02 November 2019, 23:50:59 »

Creeper camouflage? I'm pretty sure they were just playing Tetris.

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #77 on:** 03 November 2019, 12:14:37 »

Quote from: Deadborder on 02 November 2019, 20:32:53

The reasons why Macross II is non-canon would be enough for an entire thread of their own

The core reason though was simply "it wasn't made by the company that made the rest"

I am Belch II · « **Reply #78 on:** 03 November 2019, 14:40:24 »

Quote from: glitterboy2098 on 03 November 2019, 12:14:37

The core reason though was simply "it wasn't made by the company that made the rest"

I though Macross II was ok.

Back to planes. That SR-71 with the afterburners is just awesome

hoosierhick · « **Reply #79 on:** 03 November 2019, 17:38:01 »

How about a test B-29 with some oddball turrets?

Daryk · « **Reply #80 on:** 03 November 2019, 17:54:35 »

Those definitely qualify as oddball! Were they done after the war?

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #81 on:** 03 November 2019, 18:17:35 »

Dude this is a family friendly forum, don't post NSFW things like that!

Luciora · « **Reply #82 on:** 03 November 2019, 18:18:49 »

I kinda wish I had a spare B-29 to mod up like that now.

HobbesHurlbut · « **Reply #83 on:** 03 November 2019, 18:28:06 »

I suppose the manned turrets were never employed because it mean no pressurized cockpit.

Kidd · « **Reply #84 on:** 03 November 2019, 18:56:38 »

Freudian much...?

CrossfirePilot · « **Reply #85 on:** 03 November 2019, 21:17:51 »

"we'd like to show you a photo of those turrets, however whenever we post, a blacked out box appears over them"

grimlock1 · « **Reply #86 on:** 04 November 2019, 09:09:57 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 03 November 2019, 14:40:24

I though Macross II was ok.

Back to planes. That SR-71 with the afterburners is just awesome

I think it was Ben Rich's book that mentioned something about radar operators, possibly weather radar, could tell when the SR-71(or A-12) was Eastbound over the Pacific because of it's thermal signature. That book is on loan so I can't check right now. But even if the anecdote is accurate, you can't get a very good track when best bearing fix is +/-22 degrees.

worktroll · « **Reply #87 on:** 04 November 2019, 14:52:37 »

The margins for performing a successful intercept on a Blackbird at speed were ... microscopically thin. In most cases, when interceptors were vectored or even missiles were fired, I understand all it had to do was change course marginally to be 100% safe.

truetanker · « **Reply #88 on:** 04 November 2019, 16:21:24 »

Quote from: hoosierhick on 03 November 2019, 17:38:01

" I like to see girls of that... caliber.

By "caliber," of course, I refer to both the size of their gun barrels and the high quality of their characters... Two meanings... caliber... it's a homonym... Forget it. "

TT

Cannonshop · « **Reply #89 on:** 05 November 2019, 10:46:09 »

Quote from: worktroll on 04 November 2019, 14:52:37

The margins for performing a successful intercept on a Blackbird at speed were ... microscopically thin. In most cases, when interceptors were vectored or even missiles were fired, I understand all it had to do was change course marginally to be 100% safe.

could you imagine the show of two planes with that performance trying to dogfight?