Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 5, Green Eyeshade Edition

[Asgo]

You answered your own question. Clan tech takes up less space and weight than Inner Sphere tech. It's more refined. Their XL engine, FF, and ES, is much better than the Star League counterpart. Real world example: Today I provided phone assistance to someone who replaced an old alarm switch that was 3 times the size of the new switch. They do the same thing, only one is far less bulky. You could say the same for a PC processor of the 80's compared with one from the 90's. This is how I see Clan tech, and I don't see the new designs accomplishing this.

that comparison only works so far.
When tech gets smaller through progress you don't necessarily reduce the size unless you have external constraints.
Usually you take the tech advantage and add more power at the same size.

[Deadborder]

By the time you've drawn as many MegaMek sprites as I have, you realise that Scale in TRO Artwork is an abstract concept at best and a joke at worst. The artwork is rarely, if ever, drawn with anything to give it a sense of scale beyond "the cockpit goes here" and making assumptions after that. There are massively oversized Light 'Mechs (eg Puma), overly fat Heavies (eg Linebacker), small Heavies (eg Kuma), 'Mechs with no scale refences at all (eg Stalker) and so on.

By being consistent, these redesigns are making a world of difference

[Empyrus]

Did we ever get all 5 scenarios from the Kickstarter?

Or have i just forgotten to either download them or maybe misplace my files? I can only find one scenario, "Diminishing Returns".

[shivanwurm]

“Scale”

[DarkSpade]

There's plenty of good arguments for why general unit designs should vary between IS and Clan, different factions, and from era to era, but there's also something to be said for having a similar esthetic across one game line.

[Cache]

...but there's also something to be said for having a similar esthetic across one game line.

With over 1000 designs out there I would say, "boring".

[Cache]

i actually think the opposite. the clans, being planned economies and semi-pragmatists in terms of military designs, should probably have blockier and chunkier designs. aesthetics for the sake of aesthetics are waste, and the clans are supposed to abhor waste.

Original 3050 Omnis. Blocky and utilitarian, definitely. Chuncky... a handful... mostly in the legs.

[Scotty]

“Scale”

Looking at the big line-up of designs, I'm inclined to believe that there's a consistent scale, and that it was achieved with the really convenient "internal volume" figure available in most, if not all, 3D modelling programs.

[shivanwurm]

Looking at the big line-up of designs, I'm inclined to believe that there's a consistent scale, and that it was achieved with the really convenient "internal volume" figure available in most, if not all, 3D modelling programs.

That was more aimed at the previous generations of BT artwork not the new stuff.

[Cubby]

Did we ever get all 5 scenarios from the Kickstarter?

Or have i just forgotten to either download them or maybe misplace my files? I can only find one scenario, "Diminishing Returns".

As far as I know, only the one has been released. I've written and submitted no. 2 and 3, they just haven't been released yet. No. 4 and 5 are in progress.

[Fear Factory]

Looking at the big line-up of designs, I'm inclined to believe that there's a consistent scale, and that it was achieved with the really convenient "internal volume" figure available in most, if not all, 3D modelling programs.

The best thing that could happen, too. Alpha Strike really needs properly scaled miniatures.

[Empyrus]

As far as I know, only the one has been released. I've written and submitted no. 2 and 3, they just haven't been released yet. No. 4 and 5 are in progress.

Good to know. Started worrying i had missed something. Thanks.

[Cache]

Alpha Strike really needs properly scaled miniatures.

What are properly scaled Alpha Strike miniatures? Do you mean a different scale than current miniatures?

[nckestrel]

I think he just means scale has meaningful game effects in Alpha Strike rather than just being a "token" on the board.

[Fear Factory]

I think he just means scale has meaningful game effects in Alpha Strike rather than just being a "token" on the board.

Yep. Unless you use hexmaps.

[Cache]

I think he just means scale has meaningful game effects in Alpha Strike rather than just being a "token" on the board.

Ah. I've been playing on terrain so long that I don't remember it not having meaningful effect.

So, in that case, there are generic Mech counters provided in the Practical Line of Sight section, p. 171. As it states, they aren't just used because of scale issues, but also for the pose of the miniature. That way you don't get penalized for posing your miniature dynamically, or for using one with an arm way out like a first sculpt Wraith. (Minis would be boring if they were all legs straight and arms down.)

[bearcat]

Does anyone know when/where the credit will show up if we decided not to create a canon character. I didn't make a choice until after the Wave 1 pledge manager closed if that effects anything.

[Fat Guy]

Check your email. They just sent out Redemption and Malice.

In pdf only.   :ticked:

[shivanwurm]

Nope, not there.

[Fat Guy]

Sender is battletech-clan-invasion@support.crowdox.com

Subject line is New BattleTech Story

[shivanwurm]

Nope. Haven't gotten a thing from CrowdOx since I closed my pledge manager.

[Sartris]

hit my inbox at 1:30 cst

[Fat Guy]

hit my inbox at 1:30 cst

Same.

[jimdigris]

Nothing.

[Weirdo]

Nothing on my end. I'm in the same boat of not getting anything since closing my pledge manager.

[Maingunnery]

Nothing on my end. I'm in the same boat of not getting anything since closing my pledge manager.

Me too.

[Wolf72]

The original MAD II had a bigger autocannon too (and it was pointed right at you), so I thought it was more than just wings...

I can't keep track of any of them ...
[edit] poop, jpg didn't work so well ... anyway, favorite is the one that appears as main on sarna.net

This one is my favorite, along with the chin turret guy ... I like the simplicity of a beefier MAD.  Ok with Phoenix and like the new version too.

[Valkerie]

Nothing here either, and no word on my refund.  That was taken care of before the pledge manager closed, but I have yet to see an email concerning it.

[shivanwurm]

Who wants some sexy time Stone Rhino?

[jimdigris]

That’s the way it should have been done when FASA first designed it. I salute you, Anthony Scroggins :thumbsup: