Author Topic: D/FW Mechwarrior's Guild: The endless struggle of brains versus bleach!  (Read 167966 times)

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So, Battletech? I'm game. 8)

Do you have everything you need at this point for force building?
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Actually, we skipped X-wing; BattleTech is scheduled for this weekend. I MAY use the force Darrell and I ran last weekend >:D
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I'm gonna bring two forces, one the usual 6k BV, and the other 10k. That way if we end up with an odd number of players, I'll run the big group and two can team up against me, instead of a free-for-all where someone always ends up as the Swiss in the sandwich.
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I have no idea how many points the mechs I have are worth.

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http://masterunitlist.info

Bad news: Your mechs have a lot of variants.

Good news: You have...options!

Want me to see what I can come up with? You've got the stuff from those two lance boxes mentioned earlier, right?
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Yeah... I have no idea what I am doing. I plan to pick up a Rifleman and Marauder between now and then.

If you could throw something together with the mechs I have, that would be great.

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Got one. It's all introductory tech, so I aimed for a boosted BV of 6100 to compensate. Looking at the stuff in Record Sheets 3039, here's what I've come up with:

Cataphract CTF-1X: This is your generic heavy bruiser. Couple big guns with good range and a set of lasers for close-in work, some of them covering the rear. Decently tough and with a good amount of heat sinks, this should last for a quite a while unless several enemies focus heavy fire on it at once. Speed is average for a heavy mech, though this is the only unit in your force that does not jump.

Victor VTR-9A1: The biggest guy in the unit, but despite that not quite as tough as the Cataphract. That's because it moves faster than average for an assault mech, jumps, and mounts very heavy close-range firepower, most of it in the form of an AC/20, which you can think of as Battletech's equivalent to a Warthog's main gun, and all the fun thereof. Also one of your only mechs to mount dedicated anti-infantry guns. Infantry see regular use in our games, mostly my fault, so it helps to be prepared.

Grasshopper GHR-5H: What the Victor does with that cannon, the Grasshopper does with lasers. Lots of them, with the heat sinks to play all you want. This is also the toughest mech in your force, both because of the armor and because it carries very little explosive ammo, with what little it does carry hard to crit because it's surrounded by heat sinks, with statistics being your friend here. It's also just as fast and maneuverable as the Victor. Nobody likes fighting a Grasshopper, because it takes forever to kill and is putting out solid damage the whole time.

Catapult CPLT-C1 Jenny: A unique variant, but so perfectly suited to this force I had to give it to you. Basically take the Victor, drop fifteen tons, and replace the big gun with short-range Macross Missile Spam. Victor opens the holes, Jenny fills 'em with crits. You get the idea. :)

Raven RVN-4X: The only light unit in a force otherwise heavy or assault weight, and also the only one to move faster than 4/6. It also jumps even farther than the other mechs, so I imagine this will be used as a flanker or backstabber. Solid firepower, and brings the rest of your anti-infantry guns. Tough for a light, but we're still talking about something half the size of almost everything else in the group. It's not tough, it just has a margin of error when it comes to its goal of not getting shot ever. Think of it as a little pixie with a big knife. When everyone else is distracted by your big guys, this sneaks around and shanks things in the kidneys.

Overall, very much a brawling force. Not much in the way of long-range firepower, but you've got the maneuverability to make the most of cover and avoid taking hits until you get close. Also, because most of your mechs are pretty big, if you can get enemies into pointblank range with multiple mechs, you'll likely be dishing out more melee damage than they will. Total BV of 6107, I'll print out sheets and bring them for you.

I recommend that at some point you try and pick up Record Sheets 3039 and Record Sheets 3050 Inner Sphere. These are pdf products, and will give you literally hundreds of record sheets, focusing on the mechs that can be found in the Lance Packs, among others.
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They was anyone thinking about going to gencon this year.

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I wish, but no. :'(
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I should have copies off the 3039 RS in my stash, if anyone needs them.

also....where does the plastic Whitworth come from?
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HUZZAH...……my ships have come in; now I just need to put them together.
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I just opened the biggest my shapeways box yet. Got my Imperium battlefleet, just got to get the holes drilled for their bases. Got the ship that I was going to make into an UNSC Prowler, but its YUGE. So I am going to have to find a new use for it. Thinking I might throw it on a hex base and use it as airsupport in a game of Battletech.

Why is my wallet so light?

Ah crap, Steam Summer Sale. That explains it.
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Looks like this is a good printable file for Disrupted/Damaged/Destroyed Counters. I'll make a bunch for my own supplies, but here's the link if others want to make their own.

https://rpggeek.com/filepage/13170/aam-markerspdf
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What is the standard point game for AS now a days.

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Also I was wondering if I could barrow some minis for the game. Can not wait to game with you guys again.

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We usually build 400-point forces for AS, and still go for 6,000 for TW games.

Absolutely fine on borrowing minis, just gotta let us know beforehand what to bring. :)

Were you wanting TW or AS? I've got a TW force ready, but I can build an AS one if needed.
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I don't have a good tw unit avaible, but I have the 'Eridani Light Horse' unit for AS. The units I need for AS are Maelstrom, Cestus, Penetratoe, Caear, Thunderbolt, Night sky, Centurion, Dervish, Battlehawk, Blackjack, Enforcer, Wolfhound, and Motorized Platoon.

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If for tw I need dasher, uller, puma,2 elemental, and a epona.

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No Toe, sorry.

I don't have a good tw unit avaible, but I have the 'Eridani Light Horse' unit for AS. The units I need for AS are...Thunderbolt...Centurion, Dervish...Blackjack, Enforcer, Wolfhound, and Motorized Platoon.

If for tw I need dasher, uller...2 elemental

Got these. And if nobody has the rest, we can always proxy.
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HUZZAH HUZZAH DOUBLE HUZZAH...….both of my game orders came in today.

 Should I go with Chaffees supported by a Primitive Archer or Screaming Eagles and PIATs supported by Snow Raven Conquerors?


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I cannot make this week's game. Scratch that. :)
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I think we're beyond the schedule at this point, and as I recall, there was talk of doing Starmada this weekend? Sounds good, and if so, what points?
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My IoM fleet tops out right at 3k.

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I can do that. :)
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Naval Command 3.0 has just been released. Major changes, mostly in adding detail to damage and defensive fire, plus ships now have radar ratings that will affect their detection rolls. Still reading through it. So far, only the U.S., U.K., and Russian navies have been upgraded to this level, more are expected soon. (Don't worry, China is at the top of his list of planned releases, and France and Italy are there too.)
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Wow, he changed alot.

I like that some of the stuff that was once one stat has been broken up so that each ship can be a little more different.I really like the new scenarios, those are cool.

What I don't like is that the only ship that I have that has SSMs on it anymore is the Belknap.

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I suspect the earlier editions simply used the final upgrades of any given class, which is why so many ships had SSMs that their intro date might not indicate.

Now that the lists are split into multiple eras, I think we're seeing them as they actually were in that era, and it's possible that your particular ships weren't numerous or notable enough later on to merit being included in later-era lists. I think it'll largely be mitigated if we try to only pit ships from the same era against each other.

U.S.gains big in later eras, as Tomahawks are simply SSMs now, not just for land attack. Burkes are beasts now, to say nothing of the utterly insane air defense radius ships now get from SM-2s.

Russians gained quite a bit, mostly in the realm of air defense radii. Finally, I won't have to keep my ships crammed together like a Christmastime mall parking lot! Though I am a bit bummed about the loss of range on the Udaloy, the decent SAMs easily make up for it. Also, we finally have Kilos! Once we get the other fleet lists updated, we'll be able to play all kinds of export navies! :)

Regarding this weekend, I'm planning to bring three fleets. One 3k Borg, and if we end up with an odd number of players I'll whip out a 3k Chaos fleet, and a double strength Borg group. We can always call the Chaos group a reserve fleet or far older Imperium one that just popped out of a warp rift or something.
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I think your right. I don't see any points values. But don't think they are needed anymore. Scenarios have specific fleet builds and if we follow those and stay in the same era, we should be fine.

Is the range of the Brahmos Missile a typo? 1000 cm range seems pretty ridiculous when our next longest range is only 300.

On the subject of Starmada. That sounds good. I will be bringing all 4 of my current fleets, plus record sheets for them. We could pull a couple fleets out of that if any other players want to join us.

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Judging by the updated Krivak he posted in the ship data section, we are indeed going to be getting point values again.
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Should be there tomorrow. likely bring some BT stuff since I don't want to overcrowd the Starmada game.
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