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Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« on: 26 August 2019, 15:28:02 »
This Design Challenge is inspired by an interesting comment made by Colt Ward in this thread: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=66638.50;topicseen

Yeah . . . considering how a lot of artillery ends up . . . common vehicles should have been refit.  We could have Thumper Vedette SP Gun (no turret), Sniper/A4 Hetzers, Sniper Po, A4 Weapons Carrier, and mentioned the dual Thumper Demo.

Basically, if Quikscell makes it, they should have a artillery kit you can drop into old/damaged vehicle chassis.



So here's the challenge - Specifically using ONLY Quikscell produced vehicles, create a design utilizing an artillery kit you can drop intoanold/damaged vehicle chassis.

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #1 on: 27 August 2019, 09:13:49 »
Quickcell? Doesn't they produce the Condor (Upgrade) as well?

Counterartillery against a 9/14 hover tank - not going to happen.
Not to mention that you can have 3 tons of ammo for a Thumper. Does things will be a pain when deployed as Guerilla fighters.
The alternative would be an Arrow IV.

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #2 on: 27 August 2019, 13:28:00 »
The Thumper and Arrow IV systems weigh 15 tons each, before adding ammo. It's hard to get a simple modification kit that'll replace the AC-5 on a Vedette, even dropping the turret for an SPG configuration. You'd have to drop the engine rating and armour, at which point it becomes a little complicated IMHO.

OTOH, they do produce the Carriers - LRM, SRM, AC-2, etc. 34 tons of warload mean you could get a pair of Thumpers, or Arrow IVs, with 4 tons of ammo total. That to me is a useful idea, and a cheap way to upgrade your firepower. The weak armour & poor speed of the "Carrier" suddenly matters much less.

In terms of "artillery" - or at least fire support - I could see an "indirect fire package" with an LRM-15 packaged with a MG & half a ton of ammo, that could in theory replace AC-5s on Scorpions or Vedettes. But perhaps not quite what you're looking for.
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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #3 on: 27 August 2019, 22:44:53 »
The most economical kit is a Hetzer (Standard) modified to use a Thumper and 3 tons of ammo. No change on the armor or engine.

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Hetzer Wheeled Assault Gun (Thumper)
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      2887+
Tech Rating: E/X-C-C-C

Weight: 40 tons
BV: 341
Cost: 497,200 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Succession Wars

Movement: 4/6 (Wheeled)
Engine: 140 ICE

Internal: 16
Armor: 96
       Internal  Armor   
--------------------------
Front         4     30   
Right         4     22   
Left          4     22   
Rear          4     22   

Weapons  Loc  Heat 
--------------------
Thumper   FR    5   

Ammo          Loc  Shots 
--------------------------
Thumper Ammo   BD     20 
Thumper Ammo   BD     20 
Thumper Ammo   BD     20 

Equipment      Loc 
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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #4 on: 27 August 2019, 23:16:15 »
Yay, first actual design submitted !!!  ;) :P :thumbsup:

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #5 on: 05 October 2019, 14:06:49 »
The Vedette would make a good platform for a 'Mech Mortar.  This is a simple swap out of the AC/5 for a 'Mech Mortar 4 in the turret supplied with two tons of ammo.

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Vedette Mortar Carriage

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-F-E-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 668,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 411

Power Plant:  250 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Mech Mortar 4
    1  Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      25 points                5.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                250                      25.00
    Cruise MP:  5
    Flank MP:   8
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         2.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     20       
                                          Left/Right   18/18       
                                              Turret     20       
                                                Rear     20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
Mech Mortar 4                                T         5         1         7.00
@MG (200)                                    BD        -         0         1.00
@Mortar 4 (Airburst) (6)                     BD        -         0         1.00
@Mortar 4 (Armor Piercing) (6)               BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 4
5t         1       1       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(1/1/1), IF 1

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #6 on: 06 October 2019, 09:27:08 »
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Bulldog Medium Tank (Archer)

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-C-C-A
Production Year: 2970
Cost: 952,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 440

Power Plant: Bulldog 240 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor: Bulldog Standard Armor
Armament:
    1 Thumper
    1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Quikscell Company
    Primary Factory: Ares (Quikscell)
Communications System: Xilex-2000
Targeting and Tracking System: Xilex-2000

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      30 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                240                      23.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     24       
                                          Left/Right   20/20       
                                              Turret     20       
                                                Rear     20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
Thumper                                      T         6         1        15.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50
@Thumper (80)                                BD        -         0         4.00

Quikscell you say? I say Bulldog with Thumper.

The enlargement of the turret does make that one a little more iffy for me... I do have a version without a turret, having essentially pulled a WWII SP artillery.
« Last Edit: 06 October 2019, 09:28:42 by VhenRa »

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #7 on: 06 October 2019, 09:29:11 »
Turreted no less!  And for under a 1M C-Bills!  :o  :thumbsup:

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #8 on: 06 October 2019, 13:01:21 »
VhenRa, I like that Bulldog!  Maybe I have been thinking about this challenge the wrong way.  I should think of Quickscell as a used car dealership, trying to up sell the customer to a "deluxe" package.

Imagine a Quickscell salesperson in a loud, ill-fitting three piece suit talking to your procurement officer.  "You've seen the Archer upgrade of the Bulldog and how well it performs.  You know that the name Quickscell means Quality!  And you may be wondering, how can I get the newest, greatest weapon system available on the market today?  Let me introduce you to the Bulldog Arrow IV Carriage!"

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Bulldog Arrow IV Carriage

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3054
Cost: 1,540,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 780

Power Plant: Bulldog 240 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor: Hellespont Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1 Luxor Mobile Battery 1 Arrow IV Missile
    1 Bulldog Minigun Machine Gun
    1 Starshield CASE
Manufacturer: Quickscell Comany
    Primary Factory: Ares
Communications System: Xilex-2000
Targeting and Tracking System: Xilex-2000 T&T

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      30 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                240                      23.00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 107                  6.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     24       
                                          Left/Right   21/21       
                                              Turret     21       
                                                Rear     20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
Arrow IV Missile                             T         10        1        15.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50
@Arrow IV (Non-Home) (10)                    BD        -         0         2.00
@Arrow IV (Homing) (5)                       BD        -         0         1.00
@Arrow IV (Thunder) (5)                      BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 8
4t         3       0       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ARTAIS, CASE, EE, TUR(2/0/0)
« Last Edit: 06 October 2019, 13:05:38 by fallen »

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Re: Design Challenge - Quikscell Artillery Kits
« Reply #9 on: 08 October 2019, 18:23:29 »
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Long Tom Carrier

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-C-B-A
Production Year: 2843
Cost: 1,200,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 750

Power Plant: InterComBust 180 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Simple Standard Armor
Armament:
    1 Armstrong Rifle Long Tom
Manufacturer: Quikscell Company
    Primary Factory: Ares
Communications System: Communicator
Targeting and Tracking System: FireScan with IndirecTrack

Overview:
The extinction of the Arrow IV system during the Succession Wars left the
beleagured Capellan Confederation with a critical lack of forward artillery
systems. When Chancellor Laurelli Liao demanded an immediate replacement from
her nation's military production firms, Quikscell Corporation stepped forward
with the Long Tom Carrier.


Used to minimum solutions, Quikscell's engineers had removed the missile
launchers from one of their LRM Carrier vehicles, replaced the mountings with
shock jacks, and fitted an Armstong Long Tom Rifle artillery piece onto the new
reinforcements. None of the electronics were altered, giving crews frequent
difficulties in adjusting aim points at anything but what the artillery piece
considered short ranges, and the loading systems frequently jammed on bins
designed for much smaller weapons than the massive artillery shells, but the
Long Tom Carrier would drive and fire and it was available for sale within a
month of the Chancellor's specification.


The Capellan Confederation Armed Forces placed an initial order for a hundred
and eight units, and Quikscell looked upon their work and saw that it was good.


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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      24 points                6.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                180                      14.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  48                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     15       
                                          Left/Right   12/12       
                                                Rear     9         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Long Tom                                     FR        20        1        30.00
@Long Tom (20)                               BD        -         0         4.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 8
3t         3       0       0       0      3     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ARTLT, EE