Author Topic: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST (Read 71287 times)

Sartris · « **Reply #150 on:** 02 July 2023, 10:36:11 »

The MUL reflects what is on the published sheet. That would have to change first

Karasu · « **Reply #151 on:** 03 July 2023, 02:54:04 »

The "1/2 Foot Level 1 (Rifle, Ballistic)" Alpha Strike card appears to have the wrong points cost. The card shows a PV of 9. The stats are identical to that of "1/2 Foot Level 1 (MG)" but the MG card has a PV of 7. On the other side "1/2 Foot Level 1 (Rifle, Energy)" has the same points cost of 9 but has an increased Medium range damage of 1 compared to the 0 of the Ballistic unit.

I recommend that it is changed to 7.

Karasu · « **Reply #152 on:** 03 July 2023, 07:21:43 »

The Assassin ASN-21 has a listed availability for the IlClan era of "Extinct", "Fitvelt Coalition" and "Pirates". I believe that it should be either "Extinct" or "Fitvelt Coalition" & "Pirates".

nckestrel · « **Reply #153 on:** 03 July 2023, 07:52:18 »

Quote from: Karasu on 03 July 2023, 07:21:43

The Assassin ASN-21 has a listed availability for the IlClan era of "Extinct", "Fitvelt Coalition" and "Pirates". I believe that it should be either "Extinct" or "Fitvelt Coalition" & "Pirates".

Maybe it means Filvelt and Pirates are extinct? :)

(more seriously, yeah, will check on what that's supposed to be..)

Weirdo · « **Reply #154 on:** 03 July 2023, 08:23:30 »

Is the Morgenstern's availability correct? I might be wrong, but it seems odd to me that the design hasn't proliferated beyond the Lyran and Lyran-based factions in sixty-four years...

Sartris · « **Reply #155 on:** 03 July 2023, 08:55:41 »

if you can find a reference of someone using it beyond the lyrans, let us know

once availabilities are published, they become canon. unless some kind of internal or external evidence shows up or an obvious mistake are pointed out, they generally won't be revisited until the next era

Sartris · « **Reply #156 on:** 03 July 2023, 09:17:38 »

Quote from: Karasu on 03 July 2023, 07:21:43

The Assassin ASN-21 has a listed availability for the IlClan era of "Extinct", "Fitvelt Coalition" and "Pirates". I believe that it should be either "Extinct" or "Fitvelt Coalition" & "Pirates".

I murdered it but it was given a reprieve by appearing on a RAT. It lives for now

Weirdo · « **Reply #157 on:** 03 July 2023, 11:04:31 »

Quote from: Sartris on 03 July 2023, 08:55:41

if you can find a reference of someone using it beyond the lyrans, let us know

once availabilities are published, they become canon. unless some kind of internal or external evidence shows up or an obvious mistake are pointed out, they generally won't be revisited until the next era

Best I've got is RATs, and I know those aren't ironclad. But if those count, here is what I've got:

Era Report: 3145, page 178: RotS RAT in the 8-slot.
Field Manual: 3145, page 235: RotS RAT in the 15-slot.
Field Manual: 3145, page 237: Wolf Empire RAT in the 6-slot.
Field Manual: 3145, page 239: Mercenary RAT in the 17-slot.

pokefan548 · « **Reply #158 on:** 04 July 2023, 16:30:22 »

Is the Batu Prime's BV correct? Is it getting an extra PV from extreme range damage?

nckestrel · « **Reply #159 on:** 04 July 2023, 18:40:29 »

Quote from: pokefan548 on 04 July 2023, 16:30:22

Is the Batu Prime's BV correct?

Yes.

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Is it getting an extra PV from extreme range damage?

No.

Karasu · « **Reply #160 on:** 05 July 2023, 05:24:33 »

The Avatar I configuration has availability for the Jihad of "Extinct", "Kell Hounds", "Mercenary" and "Wolf's Dragoons". Again, I'm pretty sure that Extinct shouldn't co-exist with other availability, an d normally shouldn't appear in a unit's first Era of availability.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/169/avatar-av1-oi

Sartris · « **Reply #161 on:** 05 July 2023, 08:05:53 »

Yeah no idea why that one has it.

pavelb · « **Reply #162 on:** 06 July 2023, 00:59:17 »

Boomerang Spotter Plane (possibly other fixed-wing supports) Alpha Strike Card

The Boomerang Spotter Plane has the VSTOL special, but I believe that it should not. The Alpha Strike Companion says:

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An aerospace unit or fixed-wing support
vehicle unit receives this special ability if it indicates that it has
the VSTOL chassis and controls modification in its Technical
Readout entry, or if it is an aerospace fighter, Small Craft, or
DropShip unit that has the aerodyne movement code (a).

The Boomerang has the STOL rather than the VSTOL mod, and it is a fixed-wing support vehicle rather than an aerospace fighter, small craft, or dropship, so it having the aerodyne movement code does not apply.

Also, the MUL says that this unit has a PV of 9, MegaMek says it has a PV of 6, but I don't actually know which is right.

nckestrel · « **Reply #163 on:** 06 July 2023, 07:39:17 »

9 PV is correct for the Boomerang.

Boomerang should have VSTOL, will work up ASC errata later.

Note that fixed-wing support vehicles do have aerodyne movement type (a). It just needs to note VSTOL or STOL.

Krachenvogel · « **Reply #164 on:** 06 July 2023, 15:37:25 »

I believe the Alpha Strike Luduan Scout Vehicle card is incorrect. It has a damage value of 1/1/0 and a turret damage value of 1/0/0. However, in CBT all of the Luduan's weapons are in the turret. Am I missing something?

Daryk · « **Reply #165 on:** 06 July 2023, 18:21:56 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 06 July 2023, 07:39:17

9 PV is correct for the Boomerang.

Boomerang should have VSTOL, will work up ASC errata later.

Note that fixed-wing support vehicles do have aerodyne movement type (a). It just needs to note VSTOL or STOL.

A Boomerang can take off vertically? WIN! :o

nckestrel · « **Reply #166 on:** 06 July 2023, 19:39:51 »

Quote from: Daryk on 06 July 2023, 18:21:56

A Boomerang can take off vertically? WIN! :o

You got it backwards. A VSTOL also cannot take off vertically :).

Daryk · « **Reply #167 on:** 06 July 2023, 20:12:50 »

Even if it can only pull off a vertical landing, that's still a WIN! :thumbsup:

Alexander Knight · « **Reply #168 on:** 06 July 2023, 20:56:19 »

Anything can land vertically once.

As for the Boomerang, it has Very Short Take Off and Landing (VSTOL), not Vertical Take Off and Landing (VTOL).

pavelb · « **Reply #169 on:** 06 July 2023, 21:07:10 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 06 July 2023, 07:39:17

9 PV is correct for the Boomerang.

Boomerang should have VSTOL, will work up ASC errata later.

Note that fixed-wing support vehicles do have aerodyne movement type (a). It just needs to note VSTOL or STOL.

If 9 PV is correct, do you know what the mistake is in megamek's calculation, which I included in my original post?

nckestrel · « **Reply #170 on:** 06 July 2023, 21:28:48 »

Quote from: pavelb on 06 July 2023, 21:07:10

If 9 PV is correct, do you know what the mistake is in megamek's calculation, which I included in my original post?

Yes, and it's already been communicated to the MM team and I don't know the status of them fixing it (which version has/doesn't have the fix).

pavelb · « **Reply #171 on:** 06 July 2023, 21:37:43 »

Also, shouldn't the Boomerang have the ENE special, since it has no explosive components?

nckestrel · « **Reply #172 on:** 06 July 2023, 21:52:44 »

Quote from: pavelb on 06 July 2023, 21:37:43

Also, shouldn't the Boomerang have the ENE special, since it has no explosive components?

Aerospace units don't have ammo explosions, and it has no damage so can't make ENE attacks.

Karasu · « **Reply #173 on:** 11 July 2023, 03:11:40 »

The Shadow Hawk SHD-11CS2 is listed as having a role of "None" in the MUL. Given that the SHD-11CS is listed as "Missile Boat", I suspect that the 11-CS2 should also be a "Missile Boat".

I'm less sure whether this is an errata. The Centurion CN9-Ar is listed with Inner Sphere General availability in the Jihad era. This is described as being a field refit of existing 'Mechs, mostly the CN9-A. However, there are some Inner Sphere factions that do not appear to have access to any Centurions during the previous, Civil War, era. This raises the question of what the field refits are being applied to. The affected factions would be Comstar, Draconis Combine, Capellan Confederation, St Ives Compact and Word of Blake.

Sartris · « **Reply #174 on:** 11 July 2023, 09:44:11 »

Quote from: Karasu on 11 July 2023, 03:11:40

The Shadow Hawk SHD-11CS2 is listed as having a role of "None" in the MUL. Given that the SHD-11CS is listed as "Missile Boat", I suspect that the 11-CS2 should also be a "Missile Boat".

Correct, as is printed on the sheet in RS: Jihad. The 11CS2 for a very long time was in the Mentioned But Never Given a Sheet limbo. Thus it was not assigned a role. This has been rectified.

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I'm less sure whether this is an errata. The Centurion CN9-Ar is listed with Inner Sphere General availability in the Jihad era. This is described as being a field refit of existing 'Mechs, mostly the CN9-A. However, there are some Inner Sphere factions that do not appear to have access to any Centurions during the previous, Civil War, era. This raises the question of what the field refits are being applied to. The affected factions would be Comstar, Draconis Combine, Capellan Confederation, St Ives Compact and Word of Blake.

They somehow got enough refits to make the list. Could be salvage, open market, or acquisition and immediate upgrade of older Centurions during the near 15 years of the Jihad.

wantec · « **Reply #175 on:** 12 July 2023, 07:38:27 »

Feature Request: Any chance we could get the TMM and Move data added to the text that shows up in the AS Force Builder on the MUL? If I want that information I have to have a 2nd window open and look up the individual AS cards for that information.

pokefan548 · « **Reply #176 on:** 12 July 2023, 12:51:40 »

Agreed, having Move data would be incredibly useful.

mitchberthelson · « **Reply #177 on:** 12 July 2023, 15:41:45 »

Errata for following entries:

GOL-1H Goliath in the Star League Era is not listed as SLDF Regular or SLDF Royal, despite being on the Field Manual: SLDF RAT in the Assault Mech column for SLDF Regulars (pg. 241).

SCP-1N Scorpion is not listed in the Star League Era as SLDF Regular or SLDF Royal despite being designed in 2570 by the Terran Hegemony (per Era Digest: Age of War p.11) and classed in in-universe historical sources as a Star League Mech per the Mech's entry in the original TRO: 3025. Oliver, its main production facility, was also a TH world at the time.

Karasu · « **Reply #178 on:** 14 July 2023, 02:59:46 »

I stumbled across another 'Mech with a sheet and no Role listed, so I did a search for units with a Role of 'None' and a non-Null PV. Obviously some of them ought to have no role but the following are the ones I think need to have one:

Ostscout IIC - Scout?
Mad Cat III 2 - Skirmisher?
Shrike "Black Rose" - Skirmisher?
Ryoken II (Tassa) - Sniper?
Wheeled Scout - Scout?
Desert Scorpion Light Tank - Brawler?
Tiger Medium Tank (Prototype) - Brawler?
Rhino Battle Armour - Ambusher?
Araña ARA-S-1 MilitiaMech - Skirmisher??
St. Florian FLN-366-M FireMech MOD - Brawler??

Hope that helps.

AutumnEffect · « **Reply #179 on:** 16 July 2023, 15:37:42 »

Hello!

In the Dominions Divided RasDom vehicle RAT it has the Carnivore tank listed but I don't see it in the MUL for RasDom. I'm pretty new so I dunno if it should be there or not so I thought I'd check.