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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1020 on: 08 April 2021, 09:57:51 »
I dunno where the bias is in the writing because I've heard a lot of stuff, I'm still new.

However Field Manual made it seem like the Legions were regularly fighting pirates, VI couldn't keep regular maintenance up from all the fighting.  Legio III was garrisoning worlds that were taken from the FWL a while back and conducting raids into it, which was even a special force rule for them for rats deployment and initiative.  Shattered Fortress comes around and the III can't even manage to stay ahead of Tamarind. 

I can't make heads or tails of it but the more I try to analyze the lack of information, the more bad it looks for everyone involved.

We shall see how ilClan remedies this situation.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1021 on: 08 April 2021, 11:42:56 »
Both Tamarind and Canopus are just being opportunistic.

What's strange is this. The black-and-white portrayal of this conflict doesn't seem like the usual neutral writing. Fresh Marians are losing to overstretched Tamarind units. Granted, those Tamarind units might have plenty of experience after the Lyran wars but they're not the sort of force that can sustain a conquest.

Not even so, the 8 of Tamarind were Regular until two days before I calculate, the Seventh of Tamarind they destroyed a battalion twice, only to see them return rebuilt and with the same veteran afterwards ...
On the other hand, the Marian units strangely do not have that speed of reposition and their mercs neither, instead Tamarindo takes out of his sleeve unnamed mercs units to garrison 6 worlds that the Hegemony occupies and another two with regulars.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1022 on: 08 April 2021, 11:52:58 »
We shall see how ilClan remedies this situation.

I have my doubts if they want to fix their disturbances or deepen them, if it were the issue to fix them something could have appeared from mechs made in the Hegemony and even nothing at all, no mention of famous pilots or anything

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1023 on: 08 April 2021, 11:54:51 »
I have my doubts if they want to fix their disturbances or deepen them, if it were the issue to fix them something could have appeared from mechs made in the Hegemony and even nothing at all, no mention of famous pilots or anything

RecGuide series is not over- I think it is what, 55%?
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1024 on: 08 April 2021, 12:00:46 »
RecGuide series is not over- I think it is what, 55%?

The Hegemony does not appear in the mechs that were supposed and even you wanted them to appear, neither in the Commando, nor in the Centurion nor in the Catapracht, tell me should I hope that we appear with good luck in the Locust?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1025 on: 08 April 2021, 13:14:01 »
The Cataphract was my wish-casting for 'Roman' themed use.  Never was anything even hinting at it happening, it just IMO had a good case for being the first Hegemony heavy.

The Centurion, afaik, has not been released through the RecGuides- after a quick check I found no moratorium reference on Sarna and it was not in my RecGuides.  We DID have the CN10-B and it's MCG variants in Shrapnel #3, but that is a different kettle of fish.  Irregulars had a Centurion by what you folks have said, but I do not have that book.  I still think we will get a new Centurion on the RecGuides.

Commando?  Eh, do not care about them getting mentioned with that machine b/c it is a light and IMO the MHAF needs a native heavy to compete with their neighbor or at least a 'pocket' heavy like a up-teched Centurion.

But with the RecGuides we have seen mechs appear in places 'new' to the production of that model . . . I mean we could see a Crusader variant appear with the Marians, which I would also support- limited heavies providing fire support for the line of trooper Centurions.  ANY heavy they get will be 'new' production sites, so look at Sartis list of KS art heavies and you get a idea what the Hegemony could build.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1026 on: 08 April 2021, 13:15:59 »
Speaking of KS, that might be influencing the famous pilots a bit. Dunno if anyone made their character a Marian.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1027 on: 08 April 2021, 13:18:02 »
The Centurion already appeared in the Rec Guide number 10 I think, they raised 5 more tons and mentions the versions of Sharpell and only mentions the Corean Factory as its builder.

Rec Guide N° 10 Pag 13 between the Highlander and the Mongoose

What to have heavier mechs manufactured in the Marian Hegemony who would not like it?
  But if they don't even tell us to modernize or do something with Jihad tech from a light or medium mech, little hope gives me a heavy or assault mech unless it was primitive to continue to keep us as the backward brother of the periphery
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1028 on: 08 April 2021, 13:48:53 »
Speaking of KS, that might be influencing the famous pilots a bit. Dunno if anyone made their character a Marian.

No idea, personally my involvement with the KS have been minimal. I wasnt in a economical situation to get into Wave 1, and i just got into Wave 2 a few months ago. Main issue with us Deep Periphery dwellers is the sending costs. I still remember the cost of getting a couple of 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set down here  xp.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1029 on: 08 April 2021, 15:35:42 »
The Centurion already appeared in the Rec Guide number 10 I think, they raised 5 more tons and mentions the versions of Sharpell and only mentions the Corean Factory as its builder.

Rec Guide N° 10 Pag 13 between the Highlander and the Mongoose

What to have heavier mechs manufactured in the Marian Hegemony who would not like it?
  But if they don't even tell us to modernize or do something with Jihad tech from a light or medium mech, little hope gives me a heavy or assault mech unless it was primitive to continue to keep us as the backward brother of the periphery

Okay, I did not get #10, one of the few I passed on.  The Shrapnel #3 Centurion was the 10-B, what had been a one off from 3060-ish . . . something like 10 years ago.  All Shrapnel did was canonize the other MCG versions from the game.

We still have quite a few KS art mechs/entries to go.  IIRC the TC (MAD-2T), MoC (SHD-5H & -7H), and OA (via Ravens) have gotten new production . . . I expect to get something new sprinkled this way.

As for the last part of your sentence, it is asked and answered . . . you are complaining about the defining characteristics of the faction.  1st strike against them is they are a Periphery faction.  2nd strike is they are a new periphery faction (IE, no OA, TC or MoC).  3rd strike is they were not a Star League possession at any point.  Being ignored at best and backhanded by plot if mentioned is going to be part of the faction flavor.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1030 on: 08 April 2021, 15:49:07 »
A RetroTech Cataphract could be fun, even if I have no clue what kind of product it might appear in... :)
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1031 on: 08 April 2021, 16:13:48 »
A RetroTech Cataphract could be fun, even if I have no clue what kind of product it might appear in... :)

Which is why I was hoping it was a Marian entry in the RecGuide, especially with the CN9-H and C9-Ar for options that it grew out of.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1032 on: 08 April 2021, 16:21:07 »
A RetroTech Cataphract could be fun, even if I have no clue what kind of product it might appear in... :)

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Which is why I was hoping it was a Marian entry in the RecGuide, especially with the CN9-H and C9-Ar for options that it grew out of.

Yeah, the Centurion variant in RecGuide 10 is the 10-D, the upgrade of the ones that appeared in Sharpnell. My own theory is that the old Corean Centurion line was re-purposed for the Omni Centurion.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1033 on: 08 April 2021, 16:23:17 »
Which is why I was hoping it was a Marian entry in the RecGuide, especially with the CN9-H and C9-Ar for options that it grew out of.

You keep bringing up the CN9-Ar. Is it stated that we build them, or do we simply have MUL access?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1034 on: 08 April 2021, 16:30:30 »
You keep bringing up the CN9-Ar. Is it stated that we build them, or do we simply have MUL access?

As far as i know the 9-Ar is a refit of the introtech 9-A, no mention of production. The Marians got it with the Periphery General tab.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1035 on: 08 April 2021, 16:32:15 »
So likely no more special than any of the many other mechs we get that aren't produced domestically, gotcha.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1036 on: 08 April 2021, 16:34:18 »
We still have quite a few KS art mechs/entries to go.  IIRC the TC (MAD-2T), MoC (SHD-5H & -7H), and OA (via Ravens) have gotten new production . . . I expect to get something new sprinkled this way.

Got the info about the Royal Marauder and Warhammer beign produced in the TC some years ago here in the forum. The TC also produced the oyal Thunderbolt, and apparently that line was used to do the abomination called the Thunderbolt -9T.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1037 on: 08 April 2021, 16:35:30 »
So likely no more special than any of the many other mechs we get that aren't produced domestically, gotcha.

Same with the Commando -2Dr. Actually, a lot of "r" are just field refits.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1038 on: 08 April 2021, 18:01:56 »
I was surprised the Marian commando was in the general periphery rats at least.

Yeah I know that's nothing.  Dunno why I mentioned that.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1039 on: 08 April 2021, 18:45:43 »
Got the info about the Royal Marauder and Warhammer beign produced in the TC some years ago here in the forum. The TC also produced the oyal Thunderbolt, and apparently that line was used to do the abomination called the Thunderbolt -9T.

I said the -2T, not the -2R . . . granted it is a minor change but it IS a expansion on what they already produce.

But to Weirdo's point, I bring up the Ar because it means at least they have a source for HPPC & LPPC if they do not make them at home.  I figure their source of CN9-Ars are any salvage or bought up ones that get shipped back to Hegemony space and spend time at the refit yard.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1040 on: 08 April 2021, 18:54:49 »
I was surprised the Marian commando was in the general periphery rats at least.

Yeah I know that's nothing.  Dunno why I mentioned that.

I interpret that as having the entire Periphery, let's say it is a very easy mech to maintain the COD-4H and not too much to arm around 3145

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1041 on: 08 April 2021, 21:18:12 »
Not even so, the 8 of Tamarind were Regular until two days before I calculate, the Seventh of Tamarind they destroyed a battalion twice, only to see them return rebuilt and with the same veteran afterwards ...
On the other hand, the Marian units strangely do not have that speed of reposition and their mercs neither, instead Tamarindo takes out of his sleeve unnamed mercs units to garrison 6 worlds that the Hegemony occupies and another two with regulars.

I'm going to make a theory that fits acceptable facts; I love Tamarind-Abbey but part of that love lies in how ridiculously sad-sack they are (the Lyrans invading them just before Stone's Coalition liberated Terra, having them withdraw from the Coalition after doing heavy-lifting against the Blakists throughout the Jihad but just before the rewards of victory were being handed out is one of my favorite moments), so I think I'm up to it.

FM3145's ratings and the Shattered Fortress narrative are pretty unambiguous that man-for-man and mech-for-mech the Marians are better than the Tamarinds (and by late 3150 for one the 7th Tamarind Regulars are definitely much worse than they were in 3145). If it was an even fight, the Marians won. If the Tamarinds stuck it out, it meant they took serious losses when they lost instead of cursory losses (the Tamarinds didn't always stick it out). The Marians didn't lose in even fights to the Tamarind Regulars, though. The lost in multi-regiment team ups (the one involving the mauled 7th also involving the much better 1st) and to Camacho's Caballeros until Illyria, which came down to a strategy. (Tamarind-Abbey successfully masking their strategic redeployment, the Illyrian system defenses being countered by Tamarind assault droppers, the initial ground defense able to be overwhelmed by multiple regiments and a swarm of mercs thrown in, then the locals (cultural Rasalhagues, bear in mind) revolted in the Duchy's favor instead of forming a resistance, and then there was finally an actual fight when III Legio returned from the Gibraltar prominence, which was lost.

I assume the Canopan punitive expedition is what has III Legio so exposed for so long making all that possible though; absent knowing that the Magistracy regards the matter as settled Alphard can't be uncovered. So Killgore is running around like a one-armed paper hanger, having to use his own spearhead as a reserve. Anyways it's possible to make a theory that doesn't require anything ridiculous; the biggest thing I think is the Illyrian sympathetic revolt instead of a resistance. That probably decided everything regarding things being as they are; nothing actually contradicts there being an eventual Marian counterstrike other than the notion that they can't expose themselves to possible Canopan action (which is just a notion)- Illyria falling quickly (or at all) required the locals. The Illyrian campaign was risky if discovered but feasible (Killgore was pushing on an open door for one or two worlds he took but didn't realize it). As for Duke Fontaine hiring mercenaries it's the era for it and he's in funds as the House Marik patriarch (he once absconded from his capital with Mule packed full of artwork like a Napoleonic Bourbon fleeing Naples). He's probably good for it.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1042 on: 08 April 2021, 21:53:28 »
I'm going to make a theory that fits acceptable facts; I love Tamarind-Abbey but part of that love lies in how ridiculously sad-sack they are (the Lyrans invading them just before Stone's Coalition liberated Terra, having them withdraw from the Coalition after doing heavy-lifting against the Blakists throughout the Jihad but just before the rewards of victory were being handed out is one of my favorite moments), so I think I'm up to it.

FM3145's ratings and the Shattered Fortress narrative are pretty unambiguous that man-for-man and mech-for-mech the Marians are better than the Tamarinds (and by late 3150 for one the 7th Tamarind Regulars are definitely much worse than they were in 3145). If it was an even fight, the Marians won. If the Tamarinds stuck it out, it meant they took serious losses when they lost instead of cursory losses (the Tamarinds didn't always stick it out). The Marians didn't lose in even fights to the Tamarind Regulars, though. The lost in multi-regiment team ups (the one involving the mauled 7th also involving the much better 1st) and to Camacho's Caballeros until Illyria, which came down to a strategy. (Tamarind-Abbey successfully masking their strategic redeployment, the Illyrian system defenses being countered by Tamarind assault droppers, the initial ground defense able to be overwhelmed by multiple regiments and a swarm of mercs thrown in, then the locals (cultural Rasalhagues, bear in mind) revolted in the Duchy's favor instead of forming a resistance, and then there was finally an actual fight when III Legio returned from the Gibraltar prominence, which was lost.

I assume the Canopan punitive expedition is what has III Legio so exposed for so long making all that possible though; absent knowing that the Magistracy regards the matter as settled Alphard can't be uncovered. So Killgore is running around like a one-armed paper hanger, having to use his own spearhead as a reserve. Anyways it's possible to make a theory that doesn't require anything ridiculous; the biggest thing I think is the Illyrian sympathetic revolt instead of a resistance. That probably decided everything regarding things being as they are; nothing actually contradicts there being an eventual Marian counterstrike other than the notion that they can't expose themselves to possible Canopan action (which is just a notion)- Illyria falling quickly (or at all) required the locals. The Illyrian campaign was risky if discovered but feasible (Killgore was pushing on an open door for one or two worlds he took but didn't realize it). As for Duke Fontaine hiring mercenaries it's the era for it and he's in funds as the House Marik patriarch (he once absconded from his capital with Mule packed full of artwork like a Napoleonic Bourbon fleeing Naples). He's probably good for it.

We go in parts like Jack says

The Illyrian Revolt I see it very doubtful since nowhere says it, it is but the last attempt at organized revolt dates from 3085 I think there is nothing even remotely organized, there are ethnic Rasalagheans but they should not be a majority by far

In terms of strategies, you can be lucky once, but always?

As for the Tamarindo units, especially the 7th Regulars, they twice crashed and were beaten, but one of their battalions was destroyed in Tormentine, but after months they appear full force to attack and with the same rank of veteran?

The 8th Regulars I think they were Regular in the best of cases and I don't see that they could face Legio I or II Legio face to face and stay there for a long time.

The 1st Regulars if he is Elite, the same as the Camacho Caballeros, but they cannot be everywhere, another thing that annoys is that they put the Alba Wing and the II Caelum Wing off of when both units are Veteran / Elite and fanatic loyalty, in the story they say little more than break ranks and run, as it does not fit with everything previously written.

Apart from the little speech on moral superiority and shooting surrendered prisoners ,,,,, where was Marik?
If I have to accept this, I hope that in the almost impossible case that the next author gives us a twist and victory, no one will be shocked if the good duke and his officers Camacho included end up crucified on the shoulder of a total mech, if we leave to behave like savages return of attention should be something that does not scandalize anyone, right?

Another Theme is our Mercs, fundamentally the Dragonslayers to be at 100% in 3145, in the campaign they are at 30% and they look like a band of beggars

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1043 on: 08 April 2021, 22:22:16 »

As for the Tamarindo units, especially the 7th Regulars, they twice crashed and were beaten, but one of their battalions was destroyed in Tormentine, but after months they appear full force to attack and with the same rank of veteran?


Lost three times in fact; twice badly- the 3rd Battalion was wrecked on Tormentine and Gibralter both. It's a safe assumption that their FM3145 stats will have slipped a bit when they make landfall on Illyria- but bear in mind Shattered Fortress doesn't give them a rank. They're probably  a mess- boots on the ground, though.

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another thing that annoys is that they put the Alba Wing and the II Caelum Wing off of when both units are Veteran / Elite and fanatic loyalty, in the story they say little more than break ranks and run, as it does not fit with everything previously written.

It says they ran into more Assault Dropships than they could handle, and the one good factory Tamarind-Abbey has is an aerospace one.


Morality doesn't really obtain, Duke Fontaine is no mechwarrior (he is exceptionally dogged though)... the Marians just got outnumbered and overwhelmed on certain planets on the Tamarind front after the war expanded, against people that could force planetary landings against aerospace fighter wings. I think the Duchy has mostly shot its bolt (and the Marians mostly haven't- but they may not end up shooting); if Illyria were hostile to the Tamarinds it would be going badly; turns out it isn't.

EDIT: I think you might be being thrown off by the tone of that one Tamarind Inquirer propaganda blurb- which is obviously a propaganda blurb. The Dragonslayers decline engagement and flee from superior forces without contact- it's presented as a combat victory. Worlds we know that Kilgore invaded and conquered as described as having temporarily lost contact. A Cohors makes a stand with no notable losses and then retreats offworld losing a single company transport to deep-space encounter- presented as a rout. The triumpalism is in-universe tone from an in-faction news rag. I and II Legios have lost troops, III is mauled, and Illyria has fallen... but the Hegemony is still a better positioned than it was in 3085 and the Tamarinds needed a short war- Duke Fontaine fully meant to stop right there, which is non-fluff text information.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1044 on: 08 April 2021, 22:44:43 »
What is not hostile to Tamarind we will see, it would not be smart, it will show hostility to an occupying force when you cannot do too much to the contrary, a couple of months later we will see it, if it begins to attack, there will be patrols or bombs when passing vehicles It will be seen, apart from that not all the population can think the same, as I told you the last rebellion in Illyria was 12 Mechs from a group without any kind of support that the II Legio neighborhood when they wanted to kill the Governor.

Apart from the fact that it is not, Tamarind says, it still sounds like justifying propaganda for the sanctions of the parliament

Equally neglect surely our legions have 90% of primitive mech, retrotech and RL according to what they have been writing that seems to be the attitude of the authors, the Marian Hegemony the living museum

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1045 on: 08 April 2021, 23:00:21 »

Equally neglect surely our legions have 90% of primitive mech, retrotech and RL according to what they have been writing that seems to be the attitude of the authors, the Marian Hegemony the living museum

The Marians have slightly better equipment ratings than their enemies, and they are written as having noticeably better combat performance than their (non-main character mercenary regiment) enemies when there is numerical parity and being able to withdraw without significant loss most of the time when they decide to. They are obviously better than the Tamarindians, possibly better equipped, probably better field-officers. They just got into a bigger war than they seem to have meant to (the expansion of their campaign to the Rim Commonality and Magistracy of Canopus requires explanation- but having happened the subsequent events make sense), and the choice of Illyria as a target is written as inspired (and not having to follow the format of a 3rd Succession War province-capital conquest/wreck-your-regiments-trying-to-hold-it-and-lock-it-down-while-fighting-local-resistance does sell that).

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1046 on: 08 April 2021, 23:07:43 »
The Marians have slightly better equipment ratings than their enemies, and they are written as having noticeably better combat performance than their (non-main character mercenary regiment) enemies when there is numerical parity and being able to withdraw without significant loss most of the time when they decide to. They are obviously better than the Tamarindians, possibly better equipped, probably better field-officers. They just got into a bigger war than they seem to have meant to (the expansion of their campaign to the Rim Commonality and Magistracy of Canopus requires explanation- but having happened the subsequent events make sense), and the choice of Illyria as a target is written as inspired (and not having to follow the format of a 3rd Succession War province-capital conquest/wreck-your-regiments-trying-to-hold-it-and-lock-it-down-while-fighting-local-resistance does sell that).

Curious you are the first who says that we are better armed and better trained than those of Tamarind, the Illyrian "happiness" does not make any sense. They have been citizens since 3070 and their nobles directly elect their senators and representatives to the House of the People. They are patricians and the Hegemony invested a lot to develop their worlds, that is why I tell you that that smells of justifying propaganda to me, a deep wave of the Soviets invading Hungary and saying people love us!

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1047 on: 08 April 2021, 23:32:10 »
Curious you are the first who says that we are better armed and better trained than those of Tamarind, the Illyrian "happiness" does not make any sense. They have been citizens since 3070 and their nobles directly elect their senators and representatives to the House of the People. They are patricians and the Hegemony invested a lot to develop their worlds, that is why I tell you that that smells of justifying propaganda to me, a deep wave of the Soviets invading Hungary and saying people love us!

I'm going by the provided information, which can be interpreted unsentimentally. FM3145 has Marian units spread from A-C, Rim Commonality and Tamarind units are C's with B and D. Shattered Fortress has the initial fights between forces of comparable size that the Marians tend to win handedly, and the later fights after getting fronts against the Rim Commonality and Canopus being concentrations of force against the Marians with the Marians as often as not either getting away clean or making a defense and withdrawing. Or getting bounced by the Caballeros. On Illyria when the Tamarinds landed (in overwhelming force) there was a popular uprising and they were able to capture the governor when he went to ground and beat III Legio when it arrived later. The Illyrian populace throwing in with the Duchy is extremely important for that outcome (as the conquest and defense of Illyria is the only place the Marians have mass-casualty events beyond two battalion-level things, or even losing fights that they stick with long enough to lose enough people to matter) and it's justifiable as a possibility.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1048 on: 08 April 2021, 23:40:16 »
I'm going by the provided information, which can be interpreted unsentimentally. FM3145 has Marian units spread from A-C, Rim Commonality and Tamarind units are C's with B and D. Shattered Fortress has the initial fights between forces of comparable size that the Marians tend to win handedly, and the later fights after getting fronts against the Rim Commonality and Canopus being concentrations of force against the Marians with the Marians as often as not either getting away clean or making a defense and withdrawing. Or getting bounced by the Caballeros. On Illyria when the Tamarinds landed (in overwhelming force) there was a popular uprising and they were able to capture the governor when he went to ground and beat III Legio when it arrived later. The Illyrian populace throwing in with the Duchy is extremely important for that outcome (as the conquest and defense of Illyria is the only place the Marians have mass-casualty events beyond two battalion-level things, or even losing fights that they stick with long enough to lose enough people to matter) and it's justifiable as a possibility.

It will be seen, we do not have too much hope, it sounds too much like they want us as a commitment duck between Marik and Canopus, an Oh Look, I am shamelessly stealing 20 worlds from you but I make you care about a series of minor border clashes with a nation with which you've always had border fights, and I also do that I convince Rim Commonality idiots in the process to want to back you up while I Canopus invade them and allied with Andurien to loot more systems in the process and supported by Liao ....
I wonder who sold the mailbox to the Duke that the Hegemony acted by directives or help from Capella

And I don't even tell you if the Lirans happen to cross the border on their side because they left only one regiment there

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #1049 on: 08 April 2021, 23:56:50 »
It will be seen, we do not have too much hope, it sounds too much like they want us as a commitment duck between Marik and Canopus, an Oh Look, I am shamelessly stealing 20 worlds from you but I make you care about a series of minor border clashes with a nation with which you've always had border fights, and I also do that I convince Rim Commonality idiots in the process to want to back you up while I Canopus invade them and allied with Andurien to loot more systems in the process and supported by Liao ....
I wonder who sold the mailbox to the Duke that the Hegemony acted by directives or help from Capella

And I don't even tell you if the Lirans happen to cross the border on their side because they left only one regiment there

The FWLM is garrisoning Regulus, and the Regulan Hussars are garrisoning the Lyran border. The Marian campaign against Canopus and the Rim Commonality is very important to the current state of affairs, and warrants further explanation although leaving it at "victory disease" can be choked down (this all may have ultimately been a poorly-thought out/well-thought out diversion from the Andurien front- depending if it was a Canopan, Andurien, or Capellan thought). SAFE isn't actually incompetent (they had an agent as the current-Archon's personal aide back during HAMMERFALL), so "SAFE told Duke Fontaine the Canopans were going to do quite a bit more than just take their worlds back" could remain an explanation.

The real winners of this conflict (aside from the Anduriens) are the Wolves, I think- Fontaine Marik has the will to advocate fighting Alaric over the FWL worlds lost in HAMMERFALL (although he also has the will to say "They're gone.") and he's busy with something else right now.

 

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