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Recognition Guide: IlClan Vol 28

I'm going to be totally honest.  Vehicles aren't my strong suit.  I know substantially less about them than Mechs or battle armor and how they compare to each other, and frankly I do not in the slightest bit enjoy writing them up.  So I won't.  Apologies to those who were looking forward to my biting commentary about the Long Tom and its four children trailers, but it isn't happening today.  Maybe one day.  The difference between this volume with just 'Mechs and this volume with everything is six sheets versus 22 so I immediately feel vindicated by this decision.  In the meantime, here's battle armor and 'Mechs from the next volume.

TinStar Battle Armor: The Elemental has been the gold standard of battle armor since the introduction of the unit type in the original Clan Invasion.  This is not an Elemental.  That's not to say it's bad, I make commentary on unit BV all the time, but if you're expecting something as impressive as the Elemental III in volume 24, you are going to be disappointed.  Here we do not have jump jets, but we do have three ground MP.  This is fast enough to get an extra TMM on the ground, which is always good, since infantry don't have a facing and don't have to pay for facing changes.  It's pretty strictly inferior to three jump MP, however, due to not getting the extra +1 to TMM for jumping and still having to pay to enter terrain.  Two basic manipulators and MagClamps mean this suit can be fully mechanized regardless of your transport situation and can make anti-Mech attacks.  Swarm attacks are basically never good but in the unlikely event you get one off, or the much more likely event you get one off against something like a vehicle that can't just drive into water or fall over to knock you off, there are a Support PPC and a David Light Gauss, both in the arms.  Seven points of armor (plus the trooper) is the absolute bare minimum acceptable amount for a medium suit.  It's not a lot of damage (2+1), but the range for battle armor is acceptable.  The bigger advantage is cost, coming in at 272 for a squad of four suits.  This is cheaper than even the Elemental III [Flamer] for the same squad size, is similarly (but not equally) maneuverable, and significantly outranges the hardier suit.  Official verdict: Not bad, could be better.  C+

TinStar Battle Armor (Original): This is fundamentally the same suit as the standard, but cranks the armor up to 10 and replaces the David with a Magshot Gauss.  This might be the only time I've ever looked at a Magshot and thought “good”.  Going to 10 armor is an extremely important breakpoint and is almost always worth whatever it costs to get there.  On the weapons front your guns get slightly longer range and do slightly more damage.  The BV relatively skyrockets to 382 for a squad of four, but the durability increase can't be overstated.  I would take this over the standard whenever possible.  Realistically I'm going to be taking an Elemental of some variety, but sometimes that gets boring and this is hardly a bad suit.  I would say it's probably even pretty alright. B-

Firestarter FS9-N “Mirage II”: When you have multiple nicknamed variants, maybe they should just get to be the name and call it a different 'Mech that just looks the same.  Black Python/White Raven, looking at you.  Quips about the name aside, this is the most dangerous (non-Omni, which I am going to call a different 'Mech and not include for being 10 full tons heavier) Firestarter ever conceived and second place isn't close.  It's also the most expensive and second place is even further away.  Mobility is 6/9/6 thanks to a Clan XL Engine.  No weaknesses detcted.  Armor is maximum, favoring front protection, and is Reflective.  Some weaknesses detected.  Melee and artillery are going to ruin your day, but you have a solid chance against the ubiquitous Light-hunting pulse lasers out there.  Guns-wise, we start with a Plasma Cannon.  Not a Rifle, a Cannon.  No damage to 'Mechs, but much more fire.  Two Flamers forward, one rear also add more fire.  Then the actual offense is supplied by a pair of Clan ER Mediums and a pair of Clan ER Small Lasers.  Eleven doubles is... enough.  You can fire your offensive weapons outside of your Flamers at a run and be +1, but jumping will take you to a +5.  If you add the Flamers you can get to +11, which I do not recommend literally ever for any reason.  They are as vestigial as any weapons have ever been on a 'Mech.  If you want to do heat, the Plasma Cannon will average substantially higher than both Flamers will, and you almost never want to be using Flamers instead of Clan lasers.  The use case for these is extremely narrow.  I can already hear someone coming for me in the comments “but what if you really want to overheat something with TSM?” and I gotta tell you, you have better options than this.  You just do.  Because it costs 1660 BV, and crippling your own heat (or dropping not-insignificant damage) on a Light that costs that much is not the right side of the efficiency trade.  On its own, I can accept it as a not-particularly cost-effective way to put that damage on the table.  Not my first pick, though.  It might be my first pick for a Firestarter, though, which is not particularly high praise but it's not nothing either.  C+

Spector SPR-6F: The Firestarter was a striker pretending to have a second role, this thing isn't pretending.  It's faster, at 8/12/8, though it has an IS XL and is correspondingly more fragile.  Armor is amusingly almost identical to the Firestarter, right down to the type and allocation, with the singular exception that one more point is front than rear (17/5 on this, versus 16/6 on the Firestarter).  Weapons, however, are substantially more dangerous, which considering the Firestarter was rocking multiple Clanspec lasers is saying something.  For guns we've got two Improved Heavy Medium Lasers, a Medium Variable Speed Pulse, and an ER Small Laser (Inner Sphere brand) all linked to a Targeting Computer.  It should go without saying that this is a lot of gun and it is devastating when applied in the appropriate manner.  The heat load for that is... substantial, and the natural tactic is a hit-and-run using the high jump speed to cool down between passes.  Ten double will take you to +11 on a jumping alpha, though only +9 if you leave the ER Small off.  Running with the three “big” energy guns is +3, which is more palatable but is still going to add up sooner than later.  It's very tempting to jump and use the mobility to setup a close range shot with the net -4 to hit from the VSP pulse bonus and the targeting computer, but your iHML hit numbers will suffer.  Like many other units of this kind, I think it's generally a better idea to use the jump jets to set up a long run where your TMM is still +4, but your accuracy is improved by the run mod compared to the jump mod.  This all costs 1476, and makes the Spector nigh-incomparably better at the striker role compared to the Firestarter, with the normal caveat that if you're bringing a Firestarter it's for other reason and you don't get that here.  I still like it better.  If not for the other fast striker in this volume, this would be a standout.  B+

Cicada CDA-4A: Oh baby.  Oh baby.  Behold one of the best striker 'Mechs in the game, full stop.  The mech is a classic Cicada shape, 40 tons moving 8/12 thanks to an IS XL engine, but we have the additional presence of a Supercharger (enormously preferable to MASC on fast units like this) to bump it up to 16 on a sprint.  Armor is a couple points shy of maximum, and the missing points are helpfully on the arms that are practically vestigial and serve no purpose other than ablative damage-soaking.  Armament is two Medium Variable Speed Pulse Lasers and a Medium Re-Engineered Laser.  Heat is exactly +2 at a run (and you will be at a run), which allows two turns at point blank with the triggers held down, or three if you're willing to get a little toasty and still be able to sink back to zero by dropping the RE laser.  All of the weapons are in the torsos so you lose a bit of firing arc flexibility but you gain durability in the arms not being even a tiny big necessary to keep intact.  That's a lot of damage with accuracy bonuses on a fast well-armored (for its size) platform.  There's got to be a catch, right?  Nope, not today.  BV sits at a frankly might-be-a-problem 1097, making it not just accurate and painful and fast but also cheap.  This is how you build a fast low-end medium striker, everybody.  Take notes.  S

Devastator DVS-11: Here at Scotty's Mech Review Emporium, wacky speed profiles are generally bad.  This one isn't.  Moving 3/5 is slow enough to be a liability at exactly the wrong time, and this Devastator decides to never be in that position by choice.  Both MASC and a Supercharger push this to 3/5[8] on the turn you decide that over there needs to be over here immediately.  On a traditional Devastator, this would likely not be a big deal.  This one, however, has a pair of Snub-nose PPCs to go with its pair of Gauss Rifles, meaning that deciding what range you're at is slightly more important for effective use.  The ability get a +3 TMM is expensive and the overall grade is going to suffer for it, but if you are already using one of these it's a nice benefit.  Two Clan ER Medium Lasers forward, and a Clan ER Small each forward and back round out the offense, which is prodigious.  Armor isn't anything to sneeze about either, it's not maximum but it's close enough to pretend.  All explosive components are in the arms, and while there's no CASE II  to prevent that from turning into a disaster, it's unlikely enough that I'm not going to count it off.  If there's a major issue, it's the heat.  Twelve doubles is enough to handle both Gauss and both Snubbies at a run at a chilly -2, but adding both ER Mediums takes you instead to a toasty +8, hotter than you want to be.  You can drop one of the Snubbies and be back to -2, and adding the ER Small takes you to neutral, but there's no way to cycle consistently with a mild (+1 to +4) overheat and back to neutral without leaving guns off the table at their optimum range.  You can drop one ER Medium and be at +3, but extremely unsatisfying.  The Snubbies and the ER Mediums have an odd overlap in general, with the Snubbies being more efficient at exactly 6-9 hexes and the ER Mediums being significantly more efficient at 10 hexes and 1-5, and then both of them being a weird heat-and-accuracy-and-damage push at 11-13.  There's something satisfying to be said about slamming both speed boosts and jamming yourself into someone's line with a very large very tough brick with a bunch of scary guns on it, but there's not really an elegant way to pilot that to maximum efficiency.  You're going to leave capability on the table no matter what you do.  That's fine for plenty of people, but at 3170 it's not fine for me.  Devastators aren't a unit I've used a lot of, so I don't know off-hand if there are worse Devastators, but I'm very certain there can be better ones.  C-

'Mechs by rating:

F: none
D: none
C: 3
B: 2
A: none
S: 1

Cumulative 'Mechs by rating (Including bonus content):

F: 42
D: 104
C: 225
B: 235
A: 117
S: 19
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« Reply #31 on: 02 July 2024, 08:31:37 »
I'm not here for the vehicles!  Here's to your work and thanks for posting again!

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« Reply #32 on: 03 July 2024, 05:03:03 »
I will answer any and all questions you PM me about vees, if that's what it takes to prevent them from being left out in the cold. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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Re: Scotty's Unit Review and Rating Emporium
« Reply #33 on: 03 July 2024, 17:58:27 »
One thing not mentioned about the TinStar (Original) is that the armor is Clantech, which might be the first Clantech production in the Periphery..way back in 3086 (Not building the armor, they had to buy that, but assembly).

And puts it pretty early for non-prototype Clan/mixed anywhere in the Is (not counting Clan factions).

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« Reply #34 on: 11 July 2024, 07:35:47 »
Looking over Rec Guide 29, I'm not expecting many kind reviews from Scotty.  The only mech I like (the Dervish) has absurdly high BV for a medium, so despite its ballistic resistant armor, I'm anticipating a C+ to B- grade. 

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« Reply #35 on: 11 July 2024, 14:10:33 »
The Ontos ought to get a decent score.
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« Reply #36 on: 17 July 2024, 01:43:59 »
I doubt we will see vehicles anytime soon.  :wink:

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« Reply #37 on: 17 July 2024, 17:35:59 »
I am giddily awaiting Rec Guide 30 because the Mech that introduced me to Battletech is on the cover of it.

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« Reply #38 on: 25 July 2024, 06:51:41 »
The Ontos ought to get a decent score.

Ontos does look bang on terrific, but Scotty confessed he might not be down to do all the vehicles any time soon, so may be ages (if ever) we see reviews on the armor. 

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« Reply #39 on: 25 July 2024, 19:16:45 »
If any tank deserves an exception, 'the thing' is it.

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« Reply #40 on: 07 August 2024, 19:42:52 »
Meh... the Ontos.  It's an 1K17 "Szhatie" not a former US military "thing," at least in its original version. 

These posts create real head scratchers for how Clan Wolf, or any other competitor clans actually took Terra.  Carpe fiat I guess.  Of course, to be fair, RoTS wasn't exactly a brain trust for equipment either. 

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« Reply #41 on: 07 August 2024, 20:35:52 »
Except that like the M50 and unlike the 1K17, the BattleTech Ontos actually works.
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« Reply #42 on: 08 August 2024, 18:03:44 »
Marik swears by the Ontos, and they're still around. The 3053 variant, the Fusion variant, and the rest are solid sniper or brawler tanks, especially if they have good support mechanisms.

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« Reply #43 on: 09 August 2024, 12:05:57 »
Meh... the Ontos.  It's an 1K17 "Szhatie" not a former US military "thing," at least in its original version. 

These posts create real head scratchers for how Clan Wolf, or any other competitor clans actually took Terra.  Carpe fiat I guess.  Of course, to be fair, RoTS wasn't exactly a brain trust for equipment either.

remember Battle value doesn't exist in the universe. so some of the clan wolf designs are a little better in universe then scotty's reviews here
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« Reply #44 on: 09 August 2024, 14:18:43 »
Only some.
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« Reply #45 on: 11 September 2024, 18:59:59 »
Recognition Guide: IlClan Vol 29

Witty intro goes here.

Dragoon Battle Armor: I will be completely honest, I read the TRO entry for this one and then did not even look a single time at the record sheet.  This was a good choice by past me, because I am immeasurably disappointed.  With one Ground MP and three Jump MP, the mobility is fine but everything else here is not great.  Five points of armor is just Not Enough for a medium suit.  A Flamer is an alright battle armor weapon in a vacuum, but the Light Mortar is not.  If the range was triple what it was, it'd be okay, but having effectively no short range is awful (Minimum and Short are the same range, meaning we're looking at +1/+2/+4 for ranges), and on reflection I have a really interesting question about what happens when you shoot it at range 0.  I feel like my instinctive conclusion is “+2 to hit” which I even worse.  The BV at 167 for a squad of four and 225 for a squad of five is very aware that the offense on this unit is writing checks that its offense can't cash, let alone its defense, but that doesn't stop it from being a “try a different unit” level of bad. D

Dragoon Battle Armor (Upgrade): This is absolutely an upgrade in every sense and meaningfully competes with some other Medium suits that don't go hard into armor.  Seven points of armor is enough to survive most secondary weapons, which is The Benchmark for a decent Medium suit even if it's light for the maximum potential of the class.  The Flamer has been replaced with a Micro Pulse Laser.  The Mortar is still bad, but the MiPL is an extremely good battle armor weapon and I'm here for it.  There's even a credible answer for “why should I use this instead of an Elemental III?”, that being that it's over 25% cheaper.  In real terms that's only about 90 BV, but sometimes you're crunched for points and this can be where you find it.  It's not better, but it has a use and sometimes you can't ask for more.  C+

Firefly FFL-5A: There are a handful of 'Mechs I really want to like but that are just absolutely crippled by some design choices that keep them from being something that I will actually pick for a serious effort.  Every kind of Firefly prior to this one is one of those.  The 5A is one I might take on a lark sometimes, having overcome the worst sin of its forebears by adding more jump.  This 'Mech is 30 tons and move 6/9/8, thanks to a Partial Wing.  This gets it over the critical threshold to reach +4 TMM while jumping, so it'll have use as a scout and skirmisher even if that's the only thing you're getting out of it.  Offense is mixed, with a decent if not spectacular battery of ER Mediums (three, one in each torso), supplemented by a single LRM 5s with a ton of ammo.  Unfortunately, the ammo is in the opposite torso from the launcher, but the impact here is mitigated by the fact that if you're taking crits in either torso you're basically done for already, thanks to the XL Engine.  The LRM and AMS ammo is CASE'd, which means precisely dick in a pick up game but might make your pilot feel better.  Ten doubles and the Partial Wing dissipation bonus is enough for an exactly heat neutral jump when you're only using jump and offense.  You can just barely heat up if the Anti-Missile System in the left arm triggers.  Between the extra TMM you get from jumping over running and the almost exactly heat neutral nature even in optimum range, this is... honestly this is kinda boring, but it's an effective kind of boring that contributes little offense and even less sudden inescapable tragedy like the older 5/8/4 Firefly variants do.  BV is 996, which is low enough that I'd consider it even though I'd probably rather take something still cheaper that also jumps 8.  Short list candidates include the Javelin 12N and Wasp 5A, right off the top of my head, putting this solidly in “not first place”.  You can definitely do worse.  B-

Assassin ASN-109: Oh hey, it's worse.  Okay, that's a bit unfair, but my initial impression of this sheet is not great.  You still get the +4 TMM from jumping with a 7/11/7 profile, that's positive.  There's Stealth Armor here to make you that much harder to hit, also a solid thing to have, and it's powered by an Angel ECM which is great when you don't have it active for disrupting advanced electronics.  The big problem there is you're mostly going to be using the ECM effect on yourself while the Stealth is active, and you probably want the Stealth active most of the time for defensive benefit.  The armor amounts, to their credit, are not awful, typically a point shy on each location and full on the head, so we're exactly seven points short of max and using eight point half ton lots.  I'd probably have sprung for the extra half ton of armor but I can't complain too hard about its absence.  What I will complain about is the offensive capability on display.  We have a Light PPC in the Right Arm, an MML 5 in the Right Torso, and an iOS SRM 2 in the Left Torso.  This is an art-driven weapon loadout, and it's not great, but I'll also be completely transparent and say I don't really see a good way to improve it, either.  The original Assassin's loadout was bad, this is still bad.  We have a small fringe benefit that the two tons of MML 5 ammo are both in the Left Torso and protected by CASE II.  We have some massive fringe downsides with having to take a Small Cockpit to even fit this amount of gear.  There are 13 free crits on this design, so Ferro-Fibrous is out of the question, but Ferro-Composite could have been, and I'd be leaping for a variant that did that and had a regular size Cockpit instead.  Things get worse when we contemplate heat.  We have the base 10 doubles, which can jump with Stealth and fire the MML and be neutral.  Adding the Light PPC takes you to +5, on the turn you fire the SRM 2 you could go all the way to +7.  There's not really anything that will reliably stop you from jumping away to cool down again, but an every-other-turn cadence might be good if you were going to do more than 11 damage a turn if you hit with both weapons.  This is all capability we've seen before, and I've even given good grades to before, so the kicker is naturally the BV.  You pay 1158 for this 'Mech, which is not ideal.  I feel like I'm pretty consistently harsh on designs that cost over a thousand BV but fail to force a PSR even if the stars align, and this one doesn't even come close.  D-

Dervish DV-11DK: I will admit immediately and up front that this is another design I'm disappointed by what kind of batshit insanity we could have gotten.  But that's not fair to this 'Mech, which I'm not thrilled with but is a damn sight better than the Assassin we were just looking at.  Starting off, 5/8/5 is solid speed for a 55 tonner, powered by an Inner Sphere XL that is vulnerable but your alternative is worse.  Armor is very good, with good coverage (2-3 points shy of maximum on each location) but gets high marks for using Ballistic-Reinforced, one of my favorites.  Weapons are a bit of a mixed bag.  We have two Medium Re-Engineered Lasers, one in each arm, two Clan Streak SRM 2s, one in each arm, and two Clan LRM 10s, one in each side torso.  All three tons of ammo (one Streak, two LRM) are in the Right Torso, protected by CASE II.  That's the most efficient way to do the ammo so no complaints there, but that's not the end of the equipment.  AES is in both arms, which is a bit of an odd duck here.  Your accuracy is improved, but the things you've improved the accuracy on are... Streak SRM 2s.  These do not inspire fear.  If Streaks were available, and the art weren't what it was, I'd take Streak SRM 6s and no AES every single day of the week and twice on Sunday.  AES in the arms without hands to punch with is also a bit of a miss, but that likewise is down to the art.  Other interesting things include the Compact Gyro, which is necessary on the sheet to even fit all this stuff without running out of crits.  Ten double handle the lasers and LRM 10s with just movement heat, which is slightly more than would be ideal with this jump speed.  Holding the trigger down on the Streaks is probably pretty safe as far as heat goes, just drop a laser on the turns you need to cool down and you'll be fine.  If there's one problem that this design has, it's that it's got weapons built like it should have two distinct brackets, and then it just... doesn't.  This is a problem not unique to Clan LRMs but certainly more on display here than elsewhere.  Your most effective weapons at every single range outside of 3 hexes are your LRMs, and you should be holding the trigger on them down all day long until you run out of ammo.  Your Streaks are fairly inconsequential next to those, and purely in terms of optimizing the design they'd be the first thing I tweak.  That brings us to BV, which at 1919 is not unreasonable but it's definitely more than I'd like.  At this cost you're competing with efficient brick shithouse Heavies or fast striker Mediums that will match better into more opponents than an admittedly pretty durable Medium trooper.  C

Charger C: There are a small handful of 'Mechs that point to a particular thing I talk about making for a bad design, then make me eat the page it was on.  Introducing, the Charger C.  Not to be confused with the Charger CGR-C.  This is a Clan Assault 'Mech (usually too expensive) with multiple speed boosts (usually too expensive) that can only do 7 damage outside of 9 hexes (usually pitiful) on top of what is historically a pretty lackluster chassis.  By all of those measures, this should be dogshit.  It is one of the most finely tuned and horrifically optimized designs to come out of this series and it will eat the lunch of most (not all) things that it shares a weight class and BV band with.  First, it dodges the worst of the speed boost BV by being able to actually make it to a +4 TMM reliably when both are in play.  Second, it cakes damn near maximum Ferro-Lamellor armor onto an 80 ton frame that's already outrunning most Light 'Mechs.  Third, it takes the very limited tonnage it has left after doing that and pours it into only the most ruinously damage efficient guns that tonnage can buy.  Four Improved Heavy Medium Lasers and a Clan ER Medium, supported by a (one ton) Targeting Computer.  Hey Dominator?  This is how you do a Targeting Computer.  This puts the Charger C at 47 short range damage with good accuracy and it will be in range to use it, you cannot prevent or meaningfully dissuade it with firepower from doing so.  It also brings with it a Bloodhound Probe (ehhh) and an Angel ECM Suite (much better), meaning not only is it going to be in your face performing an unkindness in your direction it's going to do so blasting radio static at max volume into your missile guidance systems and C3 networks.  Fifteen doubles is Enough but this thing can still get a bit toasty, climbing to +5 on a run with all weapons firing.  The speed boosts are probably enough to keep it moving the next turn without suffering significant penalties, but it's something to be careful of when playing.  There is one actual honest to God downside here, and that's the Inner Sphere XL engine.  When you have this much Ferro-Lamellor that's fragility by degree, though, and you will almost certainly live long enough to do awful things to your opponent.  At 2756 BV, it's expensive but it also embodies the very essence of a good diversionary piece: your opponent must deal with this, or they will simply lose the game, and it is a hell of a thing to have to deal with.  A

Sagittaire SGT-14R: In many ways, this 'Mech is the opposite of the Charger C.  It's still big (it's meaningfully bigger), but it is slow (3/5/3), its weapons are massive and not nearly the compact efficient killing machines on the Charger.  It is, however, still very dangerous and I'm a big fan of the design philosophy in play.  Armor is very close to max (I count five points short), which for a 95 ton 'Mech is no joke.  There's a Light Engine, so on top of having more armor it's also going to survive losing a side torso a good amount of the time, making it pretty categorically more durable.  Weapons on this beast include two Large Variable Speed Pulse Lasers, and that's where the Inner Sphere equipment ends (also the Targeting Computer, but that's less important).  The rest of the weapon load is a Clan ER PPC, three Clan ER Medium Lasers, and three Clan Small Pulse Lasers (one forward, two back).  That heat load is handled by 17 Clan doubles, which makes for a fairly interesting set of brackets.  At long range you have the ER PPC, of course, but at 15 hexes the choice is not as easy as it looks.  The Large VSPs have a built in -1, but each of them is the heat of two Clan ER Mediums.  With both Large VSP and the ER PPC at a jump, you build +4 heat.  I haven't had time to put the math to paper yet, but I think whether you fire both Large VSPs or one VSP and two ER Mediums is going to be something that varies by base target number and will not always be the same output at the same ranges.  Up close the calculus gets much easier: you drop the ER PPC for all of your ER Medium Lasers, and you tear someone to pieces with hideously accurate laser fire.  There's a space in between 6-8 hexes where the exact most efficient combination of weapons is not immediately apparent, but fortunately for whoever is using this thing there's not an inefficient combination as long as you're minding your heat.  Being all energy, that's less impactful than it could be otherwise, but you still don't want to be shutting down in the middle of the street.  The BV here is high, at 2626.  When you pay that much on an Assault, you better be getting something that can go toe to toe with anything else in the game on even footing.  I think this manages.  B+

Units by rating:

F: none
D: 2
C: 2
B: 2
A: 1
S: none

Cumulative Units by rating (Including bonus content):

F: 42
D: 106
C: 227
B: 237
A: 118
S: 19
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Re: Scotty's Unit Review and Rating Emporium
« Reply #46 on: 11 September 2024, 23:17:54 »
Small cockpits largely disappearing is something I was very happy to see in the recguide. Who knows knows how much better the WOB could have done without all the cyborg-optimized cockpits.

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« Reply #47 on: 12 September 2024, 06:01:23 »
I'll always be sad whenever I look at the a Firefly that has abandoned the core design philosophy of heavy point-blank firepower via clusters of small lasers. Fireflies aren't scouts or harassers, they're muggers meant to catch another light mech in an alley and eviscerate it. Sadly, I know of no way to remedy this without compromising other core Firefly qualities or that vastly improved maneuverability. They say adapt or die, and I do the latter often enough in my games, maybe I should actually try the former once in a while.

What's really funny is that by role, the new Charger *is* a scout, opening up some absolutely hilarious options for folks who like to use the Lance Formation rules. :cheesy:
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Re: Scotty's Unit Review and Rating Emporium
« Reply #48 on: 14 September 2024, 15:34:25 »
What's really funny is that by role, the new Charger *is* a scout, opening up some absolutely hilarious options for folks who like to use the Lance Formation rules. :cheesy:

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« Reply #49 on: 16 September 2024, 13:01:25 »
Lyran Scout Lance is now not just a meme anymore!
If the Homeworlds hadn’t been cut off for decades, the Coyotes would be positively *drooling* over this thing.  Well, the second-line Galaxies, anyway.  The front-line Galaxies have been scouting with Gargoyles for ages.   :cheesy:
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« Reply #50 on: 17 December 2024, 15:12:00 »

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« Reply #51 on: 19 December 2024, 06:32:23 »
Same. I have it bookmarked for a reason.

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Recognition Guide: IlClan Vol 30

Stormbird: In a stunning turn of events, we have a battle armor unit I actually like leading off the volume.  There's a very long standing, almost enshrined in the fabric of the game 'problem' that comes with building a battle armor unit: is there any reason to take this over an Elemental?  For an unfortunate number of them, the answer is “no”.  The Stormbird is a heavy suit that answers the question with “holy shit, yes”.  Defensively the Stormbird has 13 points of armor (and the trooper) to be able to stand up to big 10 point hits and still have some extra armor, which is a tried and true battle armor killing tactic.  The armor is also Fire Resistant, which removes the other tried and true battle armor killing tactic that isn't artillery, making them very difficult to shift.  Ground speed is 2 MP with no jump, leaving us firmly in the “bring help” category of self-locomotion, but you can adjust range a bit once deployed.  The guns are another place that this suit shines, with an Advanced SRM 3 with 5 shots per suit, and a battle armor Heavy Flamer.  This is a lot of offense for a suit, 4 points per Flamer (of either heat or damage, remember) and effectively an SRM 15 with 4/8/12 ranges and +1 to the cluster hits table.  No opponent will be happy when your squad of battle armor put an average of 9 SRMs into a target from something they can't actually easily remove.  Solid suit.  The downside, such as it is, is that it's expensive at 633 for a full Point.  This is acceptable.  B

Stormbird (Jade Falcon): Long time viewers may remember that I am a fan of Clan Jade Falcon, and shit like this is exactly why.  The amount of armor and type are unchanged, but the movement speed switches up a bit, dropping to 1 Ground MP, in order to make it have 2 Jump MP.  Instant improvement, the extra TMM alone is worth it but the slight increase in (ironically) ground speed through broken terrain is also very helpful.  Weapons are replaced with a regular SRM 3 with 4 shots per suit, a minor downgrade, and the Heavy Flamer has been replaced with an AP Gauss, a fairly significant upgrade.  This is technically less offense per suit, but it's now at uniform range bands and those range bands are long enough to pose a problem for your opponent still.  The cherry on top is that it gets cheaper, down to 587 per full Point.  This is more than acceptable.  B+

Vulcan VL-7T: There's good and bad about this 'Mech, which is a shame because the bad could be fixed with a little rearranging that doesn't affect the mission profile at all.  Starting out, this Vulcan moves 6/9[12]/6 thanks to an Inner Sphere XL and a Supercharger.  Solid start, if not terribly impressive.  Armor is where the bad comes in.  It's not awful, but it's definitely thinner than it could be to the extent I have to bring it up as a weakness.  Side torsos are a full five points light, center torso is six points light, and legs are eight points light.  That's a lot of points on a 'Mech that's only 40 tons and doesn't have a whole lot of those points even at max armor.  It's rocking Light Ferro-Fibrous, so by my count it's spending six tons on armor.  Offense consists of a Plasma Rifle (excellent!) with two tons of ammo (good!), an ER Medium Laser (solid), a Heavy Flamer (questionable) with a ton of ammo (this is why it's questionable), and a Heavy Machine Gun (bad) with a half ton of ammo (could definitely be worse but can't be better).  This is all linked to a Targeting Computer (good) except the Heavy Flamer I think?  It's 9.5 tons of guns and the Target Computer is Inner Sphere and only two tons so I'm pretty sure it's not contributing.  The Heavy Flamer is a ton and a half for the gun, plus a ton of ammo, for two and a half tons taken up on this 'Mech instead of a regular Flamer's one ton.  The Heavy Machine Gun is a full ton with a half ton of ammo.  But wait Scotty, I hear you say, don't you say tonnage is fake all the time?  Yes, I do, and it's fake for determining whether or not a given weapon is good in a vacuum.  The Vulcan is not a vacuum, unfortunately, and that extra ton and a half is sorely missed.  Mocking it up in a designer, I'm seeing that you can shave two full tons of equipment.  That goes a long way on a low end Medium like the Vulcan if you pour it directly into armor.  Much like the Dominator, it's a collection of small inefficiencies that build up in the design to leave it lesser than it could be.  Ten doubles is enough for running and firing all guns to be a +4 on the heat scale, or +6 for jumping.  That's about as good as you can hope for so it doesn't lose any marks for that.  I would hope that this kind of capability would be relatively cheap, but coming in at 1499 BV it's just too expensive for the thin shell.  It's still better than most earlier Vulcans, though, so it has that going for it.  I'm not a fan but it could be so much worse. D+

Whitworth WTH-2H: Every once in a while you get an 'upgrade' where you'd just genuinely prefer the original Introductory variant and that's where I'm at for the Whitworth.  Movement is 5/8/4, which is an improvement over the original, but the weapons are two ER Medium Lasers, one regular Medium Laser for some reason, and two MRM 10s with Apollo FCS and 24 shots each (two tons of ammo).  This is an ambitious suggestion for how long this thing is going to last, but at least you have CASE II on both tons in the Left Torso.  Armor isn't perfect but it's better than the Vulcan we just looked at by a fairly wide margin.  Ten doubles makes it +3 at a run or +4 at a jump, so I can't complain there.  That might be why we have mismatched Mediums, which irks me even if it's not actually a meaningful difference.  I'd almost prefer all regular Mediums instead of the ERs.  Mostly I just don't want MRMs, 10s or otherwise, Apollo or otherwise.  I don't have a great suggested alternative with the difference in weight that isn't just “use Streaks”, though, and that's less interesting.  Better, but not as interesting.  Unfortunately you're paying 1148 to be “interesting” and that's not a transaction I'd like to make.  D

Hellcat (Hellhound II): Okay now we get the 'Mechs that I want to talk about.  This is the MechWarrior 4 Hellhound, which I love that it's been canonized, and I honestly really like what it brings to the table.  We have a 6/9 movement speed due to a 300 XXL, which is already starting off spicy.  Armor isn't max but it's under half a ton from max, so it's about as efficient as it can get.  Guns include two ER Large Lasers, an LB-10X with two tons of ammo, and an SRM 6 with one.  Simple.  Elegant.  Effective.  Two (or three if you need it) 10 point hits and a bunch of critseeking to follow up.  Ammo placement is the first slight concern, with the LBX ammo split between the arm and torso, but with an XXL and no CASE II it's dangerous to have it there.  The other torso has the SRM ammo, which is a problem for the same reasons.  There's space to put the ammo all in the arms and though it'd make the 'Mech lose weapons if they blow it'd be better than losing the whole 'Mech.  Not enough to make me dislike it but enough to note that this could be improved.  Fourteen doubles honestly struggle a bit thanks to the XXL heat.  At a run plus the two ER Larges you're at +2, add the LB-10X and you're at +4.  This is a good place to be at, and you can simply drop the second ER Large to cool down immediately.  Up close you can fire everything for +8, which isn't ideal but you're fast enough to eat the heat penalty and sometimes you just need all the guns.  It's a respectable amount of guns and armor on a speedy higher end (50 tons) Medium, and the BV clocks in at 1801.  This is solidly cheaper than most of the Medium gunboats available to the Clans, and it's a solid price for it.  Adjusting the ammo locations or finding a way to squeeze even one CASE II in here would be incredible, and it's one of the best candidates for Supercooled Myomers I can think of if that tech ends up proliferating.  B

Conjurer (Hellhound) 6: This is the simultaneously cooler and not cooler initial version of the above.  Cooler, because it has an XL instead of an XXL, and not cooler because this is the safe and boring pick.  You naturally lose something for not having the XXL, and it comes in the guns which have to switch to less mass intensive options.  You have three ER Medium Lasers, an ER Medium Pulse Laser (I love these), an ER PPC, and an LRM 10 with one ton of ammo.  Honestly this is better offense than the Hellcat, but it comes at a pretty hefty heat burden and it's going to affect the cost later.  Nineteen doubles puts you to +4 on a running alpha, which I genuinely would not have guessed at first glance.  Dropping one ER Medium puts you back in negative territory, and it's almost always going to have your worst numbers even though the ER Medium Pulse saves you a bit more heat.  The real difference between this and the Hellcat is cost.  At 2223, this is much more in line with the Stormcrow Prime that it fills the same role as.  Lots of direct fire energy weapons that are mobile and don't struggle with heat.  It's solid, a little less durable (just the nature of being lighter), but you can absolutely do worse.  Personally I prefer the Hellcat, but not by much.  B-

Hellcat-P (Hellhound II-P):  This is identical to the Hellcat, but with an XL instead of an XXL, and as a result it goes 5/8 instead of 6/9.  Heat burden is eased by not having an XXL so now both ER Larges and the LBX is heat neutral at range and up close you're only +4.  This is a selling point to some people, it's a wash for me.  If you overheat with the Hellcat, you're going the same speed as this, but you didn't have the extra speed to start with.  These tradeoffs come to a BV discount of exactly 24 points, dropping to 1777.  I like it, but I like the standard better.  I'll use it if someone objects to bringing XXLs to a game I guess.  B-

Hoplite HOP-5C: I love this dumb little guy.  Moving 4/6 at 55 tons is a choice, but this choice is backed up very well by a Light engine and absolutely caking on the Ballistic-Reinforced armor, which is one of my favorites.  This armor is fully maximum, and it means you can weather a hideous amount of missile or ballistic damage.  Weapons are an MML in the Left Arm with two tons of ammo (protected by Clan CASE II) in the Left Torso, and a Clan Ultra AC/10 in the Right Armo with three tons of ammo (protected by more Clan CASE II) in the right torso.  But wait, there's more!  Both weapons are supported by AES, making them more accurate.  I love Ultra AC/10s, and this design basically combines three or four things that I really like into a very effective package.  Ten doubles handles that maximum of 11 heat you can generate at a run without any issues whatsoever.  This beautiful machine (it's beautiful to me, don't look at the art) comes to 1520 BV, and this is a great cost for something that against ballistic and missile weapons is basically a sawed-off Orion.  A

Grizzly 3: Why the hell are all the guns labelled with the C for Clantech?  It's a Grizzly!  ...Oh.  The Grizzly 3 starts off with familiar Grizzly beats, 70 tons and 4/6/4 thanks to an XL.  It gets interesting with the weapons.  We have one each of ER Large, Medium, and Small Lasers all in the Left Arm.  We have an LRM 10 with Artemis V (I love this) in the Left Torso with one ton of ammo.  We have a Targeting Computer making sure all the other weapons are just as accurate as the Artemis boosted LRMs.  Then we have a Plasma Rifle with two tons of ammo.  Not the Cannon you might expect, but the actual Rifle, which is much better.  If there's one downside here it's the heatsinks having some trouble up close.  The LRM and ER Large are fine by themselves at -8 at a run at range, but once you hit 10 hexes you're suddenly juggling a higher heat burden at 33 heat against 13 doubles for +7.  That's a bit spicy, and you'll end up dropping the ER Medium more often than anything else.  You have a pattern for +2 with the three bigger guns, though you can switch the Plasma for the ER Medium if you end up too warm and go to -3 at a run.  Up close there's the ER Small that I'm pretty sure is only included to match barrels.  It's totally superfluous here, though you can juggle heat to be -1 at point blank without the Plasma Rifle I guess?  It's not wasted, per se, but I'd definitely rather just be shooting the Plasma Rifle as often as possible with how good and fun that gun is.  One thing I very nearly missed is that it has Reinforced Structure, making this a nightmare to actually drop since it covers a half ton shy of the efficient maximum armor for a 70 tonner like this.  There's a funny mistake on the record sheet showing a Reinforced crit in the Head that I'm pretty sure isn't supposed to exist, and is the only reason I caught it before sending the volume to post.  That extra durability goes a long way to making the price tag of 2331 BV palatable.  It's still expensive and the heat curve isn't perfect, but it's still pretty solid for a durable, dangerous Clan Heavy even if it's not notably fast.  It's not my first pick and I will continue to forget it exists, but it won't cause a problem if you end up with one.  C+

Highlander IIC 4: This is by far the most expensive unit in this volume and it's also by far the most dangerous.  I'm not entirely sure it's worth the nearly 3K BV price tag, but it's putting in a lot of effort to try.  Starting off is a 90 ton 'Mech that moves 3/5/3 with a Standard Fusion Engine.  The Highlander IIC has chosen “armor” and “firepower” as its two choices from the Triangle of Capability.  The armor is Ferro-Fibrous, only two points shy of maximum.  I'd have preferred to have the deficit come from a location other than the Center Torso but at only two points out of a possible 58 missing I'll give it some slack.  Guns are pretty significant, starting with a Gauss Rifle and LRM 20 with Artemis V.  These are long range, accurate firepower, and you're averaging over 30 damage if both connect.  Three tons of LRM ammo mean you can take fliers on some shots you might not take otherwise, and two tons of Gauss ammo should be enough.  There are also a pair of ATM 6s that you can contribute with at range, since three tons of ammo for the pair of them means you will almost certainly not run out of whatever type you want to be using at any given time.  Three whole CASE II locations protect you from the twelve different explosive crits.  It seems more likely than not that your pilot will take damage from an explosion, but the 'Mech will probably soldier through it.  Up close you can add three ER Mediums to round out the hideous firepower.  Twelve doubles handles the long range heat very well (-6 jumping alpha) but up close things start getting toasty.  Two of them gets you to a running +3, which is pretty good, but the third one is going to take you too high to be useful most turns.  You have an unusual situation here where your long range guns that you're already using are more damage efficient than the trio of ER Mediums.  The LRM 20 is going to average 16 damage if it hits and will be more accurate, the Gauss is a Gauss and will probably have better numbers for only 1 heat, and the ATM 6s at HE range are going to handily out-damage the Mediums.  They almost seem like they're for if your ammo runs out, which I wouldn't bank on but could happen.  Odd choice, though I know it was to make the art work.  A Small Pulse would have been a really good alternative here but I get why they didn't.  What does that leave you?  A truckload of damage that can contribute at standoff range and up close, protected by a full Assault 'Mech's maximum armored shell, for 2958 BV.  I can see playing this.  It suffers from Eggs-in-One-Basket Syndrome, but sometimes that's just the price you pay.  Assuming your head doesn't come off at a bad time, this is probably going to bore through its own BV in lighter 'Mechs and not particularly break a sweat doing it.  It takes a lot of capability to cost this much and still look good.  A-

Units by rating:

F: none
D: 2
C: 1
B: 5
A: 2
S: none

Cumulative Units by rating (Including bonus content):

F: 42
D: 108
C: 228
B: 242
A: 120
S: 19
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« Reply #53 on: 22 May 2025, 19:48:33 »
Yay!  Scotty's Reviews are back!

I have used both versions of the Stormbird and it instantly became one of my favorite types of Battle Armor.  Played against the Grizzly 3 and it was really annoying.  Doesn't hit that hard for a Clan heavy, but killing it takes so much effort.  It was trading blows pretty easily with a Devastator.

Of course Scotty skipped the vehicles, but I have to say: the new missile carriers.  Hardened armor, Clan missile launchers, and turrets.  Fear these things like you've never feared a missile carrier before.  You have an absolutely brutal combination with those now, especially against opponents who are expecting them to behave like the originals.
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