The Diamond Shark tank and Sea Fox preserve: Cause somebody has to start it...

[Kojak]

Do the Sea Foxes use tanks? I mean, I know technically they have access to them and have RATs for them, but they seem to be the only Clan that doesn't have a tank of their own.

[Scotty]

Do you mean specifically heavily armored combat vehicles intended for direct combat, or do you mean vehicles in general?  They produce the Balac and the Cardinal VTOLs, at minimum.

[Kojak]

The latter, but you're right, I'd forgotten they make those (I thought the Cardinal specifically was a Falcon joint, for some reason).

[Kitsune413]

Tanks are great for garrisons...

I'm sure the answer is yes. But we mostly live that marine lifestyle.

We're pretty much vikings with aerospace fighter support. Lots of boats and bipedal units.

[Metallgewitter]

Tanks are great for garrisons...

I'm sure the answer is yes. But we mostly live that marine lifestyle.

We're pretty much vikings with aerospace fighter support. Lots of boats and bipedal units.

That mnakes me wonder: do the foxes build Mechs adapted to space combat like the Ravens with their Shadowhawk IIC variant? Given the fact that the foxes are more a roving Merchant fleets then real "boots on the ground" Clan (Clan Protectorate and the three planets in Fed suns space excluded) I wwould assume they build their own "Space-Mechs".

[Colt Ward]

Why?  They can buy them from the specialists like they do other things from the Ravens, and they still take their regular testing Trials on the ground as well as engaging the other Clans and the Inner Sphere on the ground.

One thing I will note, the Sharks (turned Foxes) felt impressed enough that they got the right to produce the Morrigu and Morrigu (Laser) which they were selling to the Inner Sphere.  I am not sure where they build it post-Reavings, but they got it on their way out of the Home Worlds.  Then in 3083, the HAG variant was developed . . . collaboration with the Horses?  Horses winning the right to produce the design themselves?

If you have never tried one out, the Morrigu are monsters though I have never tried the HAG design.  Find your path, roll forward 3 hexes and kill everything.  The Morrigu (Laser) is basically the Schrek IIC . . . and it has 2 tons less armor than the original.

[truetanker]

Nothing to sneeze at either...

Try a mixed Point of Morrigu and Morrigu Laser.

5 ER Large
30 LRMs
4 SRMs
One ECM

And that's just vehicle nastiness at it's best!

Now field a Star or Binary of 'em...

TT

[StCptMara]

If you have never tried one out, the Morrigu are monsters though I have never tried the HAG design.  Find your path, roll forward 3 hexes and kill everything.  The Morrigu (Laser) is basically the Schrek IIC . . . and it has 2 tons less armor than the original.

The Morrigu always feels to me like someone said "Hey..you like the Blood Kite, but wish it didn't cost so much? What if we built it as a tank? Eh? Eh? C'mon! You know you want to!"

[MarauderCH IIC]

So the Ares super heavy is on the Sea Fox MUL for the ilClan era...    >:D 8)

[Kerfuffin(925)]

So the Ares super heavy is on the Sea Fox MUL for the ilClan era...    >:D 8)

Interesting. I know a company of them were being used by FWL (via the Dragoons). Maybe the goons traded some to the foxes for a quicker turn around on rearming.

[Metallgewitter]

So the Ares super heavy is on the Sea Fox MUL for the ilClan era...    >:D 8)

Which would technically mean the Foxes either control Devil's Rock or Mars as those planets held the construction lines or those are all the salvaged models as per their agreement with the Ilkhan. Either way looks like as if the SuperHeavies are here to stay.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Which would technically mean the Foxes either control Devil's Rock or Mars as those planets held the construction lines or those are all the salvaged models as per their agreement with the Ilkhan. Either way looks like as if the SuperHeavies are here to stay.

I don’t think that’s the take away at all.

[MarauderCH IIC]

I'd expect it to be more likely that it was some form of payment from Wolf's Dragoons or Star League Wolf. In the ilClan era, it's on the lists for Sea Fox, FWL, Fed Sun's, and Star League Wolf.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Iirc they blew the Devils Rock facility when it fell. Sarna mentions it was rigged with explosives should it fall, no statement if they did or not. I can’t recalll actually reading that they did but I seem to think so.

[Colt Ward]

Which would technically mean the Foxes either control Devil's Rock or Mars as those planets held the construction lines or those are all the salvaged models as per their agreement with the Ilkhan. Either way looks like as if the SuperHeavies are here to stay.

Pretty sure Empire Alone implied the League started to build their own.

[MarauderCH IIC]

Didn't Wolf's Dragoons give the FWL a companies worth as part of thier deal in Redemption Rites?

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Didn't Wolf's Dragoons give the FWL a companies worth as part of thier deal in Redemption Rites?

Yes, it’s also mentioned in EA book in a sidebar.

[truetanker]

I wonder if the Davion variant was the Ares Cronus-clone?

After all " it's a nightmare to obtain parts "...

TT

[Metallgewitter]

Pretty sure Empire Alone implied the League started to build their own.

Read kinda vague the 1st Free Worlds Guard has 12 Ares of which half are supposedly original (I assume Republic build) models the others were supposedly newly build giving grounds for rumors that those were build in FreeWorldspace and not on Devils Rock. Maybe the Foxes are simply selling what they got from Alaric. Also there is a Watch report that the Foxes on Solareis VII are selling Wolf hardware (Mechs, tanks etc) to the Wolfs at an increased price (I assume that is the agreed upon salvage from Terra)

[MrEmeralds]

So I read through Empire Alone when it came out, and the only real question I have is: what's Skate Khanate been up to?  Yes, Spina is a more prominent player with the Protectorate and all, but since the Capellans are also involved, it does raise the question for me.

[Demiurge]

I just got around to reading the fluff on the Hammerhead, and the Foxes deciding to go Admiral Perry IN SPACE on some poor fools who didn't want to get fleeced by them is absolutely hilarious.

[tassa_kay]

Do the Sea Foxes use tanks? I mean, I know technically they have access to them and have RATs for them, but they seem to be the only Clan that doesn't have a tank of their own.

Their Trondheim facility produces Asshurs, Balacs, Morrigus, Pikes and Shamashes, their Itabaiana facility produces Cizins, and the restored Twycross facility produces Cardinals and Kites. The Kite and the Cardinal seem to be the closest they have to their *own* tanks, as they produce the Kite at Twycross, Shimonita and Ingersoll, and the Cardinal at Twycross and Itabaiana.

I didn't realize until just now how long ago you asked this, but whatever, enjoy your answer anyway, friend. :D

[nova_dew]

So I read through Empire Alone when it came out, and the only real question I have is: what's Skate Khanate been up to?  Yes, Spina is a more prominent player with the Protectorate and all, but since the Capellans are also involved, it does raise the question for me.

From what i read into the opening fiction, the Sharks are sold on the idea of an ilKhan and an ilClan, just not so much on it being Alaric and the Wolves and seem to want to use their position in the Second Star League to get in-between Alaric and the FWL to protect it, without telling the FWL their plans to do so. Personally I think it's from Alaric leaving the Empire in such a bad state and figure Alaric would burn and salt his own fields in his desires for power, and it's hard to then sell a lack of crops to people or anything back to the starving farmers.. so to speak, or the Sharks actually care about the FWL or understand that empire building is the opposite of shouting "Mine!" and taking all the stuff and then abandoning them.

When the Sharks are being a more interesting faction than your own faction  :(

[Metallgewitter]

The Clan Protectorate also voted against an invasion of the Empire by the FWL but they were the only voices against it. Well as history has proven many times a war can be a great unifier for a new born nation (ok reborn in this case) and gobbling the underderfended empire might be a huge boon to the League especially as alaric is silent on Terra.

Then again the Foxes already made a good chunk of profit from the remaining wolf troops in the empire by selling them weapons made with wolf material at a premium.

[Kitsune413]

How are we feeling friends?

We're in the Mercenary business now. We're not just selling them the toys anymore.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clan Sea Fox, the real ilClan?

[Kitsune413]

Clan Sea Fox, the real ilClan?

We're just gonna be the Guild from Last Exile. Starting proxy wars now.

[Geg]

Clan Sea Fox, the real ilClan?

You mean how they are are on track to run all the interstellar communications, supply a majority of the front line weapons, finance the purchasing of that equipment, the transportation of that equipment, and then bond the mercenaries who do the fighting?  If this was Civ they'd be leading the economic victory condition.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We're just gonna be the Guild from Last Exile. Starting proxy wars now.

Solid reference! Now I have to go look up that soundtrack again.

You mean how they are are on track to run all the interstellar communications, supply a majority of the front line weapons, finance the purchasing of that equipment, the transportation of that equipment, and then bond the mercenaries who do the fighting?  If this was Civ they'd be leading the economic victory condition.

Exactly! Compared to all that, the Wolves are so badly-off all they have is Terra.

[Foxx Ital]

How are we feeling friends?

We're in the Mercenary business now. We're not just selling them the toys anymore.

Loving Petr! He has the sea foxs set up for a power behind the throne deal which I approve.