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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #450 on: 10 November 2021, 14:43:12 »
Only one of those is a Classic. There are already two Phoenix Archers, and why is the Atlas II getting a variant that, going by model number, is identical to the already-released one?
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #451 on: 10 November 2021, 14:55:47 »
I think that Atlas is supposed to be from the HBS PC game.

But yes, I agree.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #452 on: 10 November 2021, 14:56:08 »
it's a resculpt not a variant. i understand that doesn't change its classification for you but it's a non-trivial distinction in the macro

the AS7-D-HT is the HBS variant

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« Reply #453 on: 10 November 2021, 15:27:57 »
I did not know it was a resculpt. Did the mold for the first one die an early death or something?
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #454 on: 10 November 2021, 15:47:31 »
I did not know it was a resculpt. Did the mold for the first one die an early death or something?
I'd imagine access to modern 3d model of the Atlas II is the driving thing here. The Atlas II was modeled for BattleTech Legends, for single entry.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #455 on: 10 November 2021, 16:17:12 »
I did not know it was a resculpt. Did the mold for the first one die an early death or something?

I'd imagine access to modern 3d model of the Atlas II is the driving thing here. The Atlas II was modeled for BattleTech Legends, for single entry.

And besides visually matching that, it would also- I expect- more closely visually match the HBS model.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #456 on: 10 November 2021, 16:18:01 »
A lot of the minis from TRO 3075 were pretty terrible.  IWM had some issues for a few years.

And besides visually matching that, it would also- I expect- more closely visually match the HBS model.

No, the HBS model was identical to the stock Atlas.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #457 on: 10 November 2021, 17:16:56 »
HBS made no distinction . . . but the HBS Atlas II RS used the old Atlas II image.  But it will also look different than the Atlas II Legends render- for one the BFG is not on the arm but in the torso.  Each arm only has 1 laser . . . question is will you be able to make Kerensky's from Legends off the difference in the chassis.  It might visually match closer to the Atlas as a intermediary step to the standard Atlas, a 'missing link' if you will in the mech's evolution.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #458 on: 10 November 2021, 21:37:12 »
So.... looks like the new minis we're getting are the Atlas II, Viking IIC, Wolverine 6R/6D?

Based on the arguments as to why were are getting a new Atlas II, I hope that includes an updated Savage Wolf....

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« Reply #459 on: 10 November 2021, 22:41:18 »
Updated Vulture Mk IV and Mad Cat Mk IV minis would be great.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #460 on: 10 November 2021, 22:43:48 »
So.... looks like the new minis we're getting are the Atlas II, Viking IIC, Wolverine 6R/6D?

Based on the arguments as to why were are getting a new Atlas II, I hope that includes an updated Savage Wolf....

AFAIK, the Atlas II does not have tiny nubs to attach arms?
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #461 on: 10 November 2021, 23:45:13 »
I think I'd prefer new rec guide mechs. My ravens need cheetah, howler and carrion crows.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #462 on: 11 November 2021, 07:59:22 »
I did not know it was a resculpt. Did the mold for the first one die an early death or something?
The original sculpt is pretty bad. I'd want to put out a better version,  too.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #463 on: 11 November 2021, 17:25:21 »
Atlas II resculpt? Interesting.

I always wanted to paint up Devlin Stones Atlas II...but the mini left a bit to be desired. It still sits in its blister.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #464 on: 11 November 2021, 22:32:45 »
Iron Cheetah would be nice, been waiting for that one for years (even better that it is cannon now).

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #465 on: 12 November 2021, 01:40:16 »
You will still be waiting a while . . . I expect the original TRO3025 mechs to be completed and then most the original Clan 16 Omnis before that thing is gotten into production.  But, bright side is you just need a few parts from the KS Clan Omnis to make one yourself.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #466 on: 12 November 2021, 02:09:48 »
Given that we've already gotten the Heirofalcon, War Crow, Sojourner, and Dumbwaiter Dominator, I think we won't have to wait all that long.
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« Reply #467 on: 12 November 2021, 10:09:00 »
And they also have not done the Hammerhead, Cricket, or Rawhide . . . the KS shows they had demand for those designs and of the ones you named, IIRC the Heirofalcon was the most 'recently' released.  The Iron Cheetah came in #20 . . . like I said, you can make one from parts- and thus I would expect the Dire Wolf, Timber Wolf and Warhawk to be released first.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #468 on: 12 November 2021, 10:15:20 »
Attempting to divine the new release schedule is about as effective as blindfolded darts. there are a number of factors that determine what they produce - most of which I assume we don't even know about

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« Reply #469 on: 12 November 2021, 17:13:14 »
I imagine IWM has little input and it is up to CGL. But I only imagine, not know

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« Reply #470 on: 12 November 2021, 17:49:22 »
From what happened with the White Raven, I imagine they withhold things- or ask for them to be- otherwise it is probably open.
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« Reply #471 on: 12 November 2021, 20:33:03 »
I guess what I was thinking about more was the cost angle. And that really is inquiring about things that we don't know (or at least I don't) and we probably will never know.

Basically, when a sculpt gets decided on, who does the deciding and then who pays for it? Just because IWM and before them Ral Partha have done the miniatures, doesn't mean they are the game experts. So I imagine there is some direction from CGL. And then with the money side, who pays for the sculpts?

Is IWM paying to make the sculpts in the hopes they can recoup the costs? Because that does seem kind of backwards -- they are providing a service to a different company and would be taking on all the risk, which is not a business model I would run. I would suspect CGL pays to have the sculpts made. That's where fan funding makes sense to me: IWM is open to making the sculpt; CGL is OK with it, but doesn't want to put forward the funds.

So when it comes to what sculpt is made next, CGL is in charge there. Which is why the White Raven/fan funding thing happened. CGL changed its mind.

But if that isn't the case, I would love to know. I just don't expect to actually ever know.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #472 on: 13 November 2021, 00:18:52 »
What it looks like, from the outside: IWM licence rights to product minis for BT from, probably, Topps (I could be wrong here.) If so, as long as Topps gets their annual royalties check, they don't get involved one little bit.

In the past, and still now, IWM commissions the production of mini masters independantly. They have to be based on CGL-owned art (eg. not on MWDA minis, unless they have CGL art.) IWM pays the sculptor directly. This is how fan funding works, except IWM solicit for the money to pay the sculptor, and provide bennies to the contributors. If it's not fan-funded, then IWM feel they'll make a profit on the sales of that mini, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

But IWM of course talks to CGL. And these days, CGL makes (commissions) plastic minis.  if CGL says "We'd like you to let us get mini X out in plastic", then IWM wisely work with CGL. And if CGL says "no worries", then no problem. They may also get access to the 3D modelling done for the KS minis, which would make life easier when it came to making masters.

Given IWM is spiritually a child of FASA, and given CGL is spiritually a child of FASA, it's not like they don't know each other. But it's worth noting BT is now how IWM makes salary - they do much more work for other gaming companies. But they still loyally support us mini addicts.

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« Reply #473 on: 13 November 2021, 08:41:52 »
If that's the case, then IWM really goes out of the way for us.

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« Reply #474 on: 13 November 2021, 14:46:00 »
Yes, that's 100% true - Mike Noe and his reputable crew are great supporters of our game.

Remember in their previous digs, they didn't have enough room to keep all BT minis in stock, hence the Archive - it cost a bit extra, but they'd spin up what you wanted from the low-selling items when you wanted it.

Remember what the cutoff to go into Archive was? Sale of 6 units/year. Can you imagine most companies keeping the minis available for production at an insanely low rate like that?
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #475 on: 13 November 2021, 16:13:29 »
Looking at this I'm seeing two of the Fan Funded designs getting a release soon. Raider isn't mentioned and I'm a bit disappointing the warship i funded mid-June hasn't gotten done yet.
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« Reply #476 on: 14 November 2021, 00:18:21 »
Yes, that's 100% true - Mike Noe and his reputable crew are great supporters of our game.

Remember in their previous digs, they didn't have enough room to keep all BT minis in stock, hence the Archive - it cost a bit extra, but they'd spin up what you wanted from the low-selling items when you wanted it.

Remember what the cutoff to go into Archive was? Sale of 6 units/year. Can you imagine most companies keeping the minis available for production at an insanely low rate like that?

And it kinda says something that some minis like the Thunderbolt 9NAIS got archived within a year of being released.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #477 on: 14 November 2021, 00:35:57 »
I mean they have the full line of Vor: The Maelstrom minis available. A game that died with FASA twenty years ago. Dudes are straight up dedicated to the cause and we're lucky for that.

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« Reply #478 on: 14 November 2021, 00:40:23 »
Yup
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #479 on: 14 November 2021, 10:48:03 »
With view on the Boxed Sets and what get redesigned I guess Awesome and Battlemaster are the next Classic Mechs by IWM.

 

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