The Diamond Shark tank and Sea Fox preserve: Cause somebody has to start it...

[Kitsune413]

This Rat is much better than the Era Report one!

Edit: Also the mystery we were facing is solved. The Sea Foxes are revealed to be even more mysterious!!! Time to look forward to the Ilclan book my fellow Warrior Merchants!

[Bergie]

So, no spoilers on how they're made up?  Where all the Arc's and the CargoShips came from?  What they look like?  What ships exist?

[Sobakaa]

I'm worried about SeaFoxes after quick look through FM3145. Looks like Foxes are going the road of Fire Mandril, IlKhanate not being able to rule over the Clan effectively anymore - Khanates are mostly independent, even if they are still loyal to the Clan. On the bright side - looks like Foxes have the best equipment in the Sphere, if even the Wolf Empire is said to lose its trials to Foxes due to lack of top-tier gear.
No mentioning of Foxes plans for the future, but they are not preparing to conquer Terra, that's for sure.

[rebs]

I second the wish to see ArkShip artwork.  Yes, I can imagine them as a pregnant version of whatever warship they once were (with multiple bumps, perhaps), but visual aids are more appealing in a way.  And it cuts out the whole "perhaps" part of it.

edit: I still picture them as they were described on Touring the Stars and The Human Sphere description docs, iirc.  Some of them are painted up all psychedelic and whatnot. 

[Dreyf]

I'm worried about SeaFoxes after quick look through FM3145. Looks like Foxes are going the road of Fire Mandril, IlKhanate not being able to rule over the Clan effectively anymore - Khanates are mostly independent, even if they are still loyal to the Clan. On the bright side - looks like Foxes have the best equipment in the Sphere, if even the Wolf Empire is said to lose its trials to Foxes due to lack of top-tier gear.
No mentioning of Foxes plans for the future, but they are not preparing to conquer Terra, that's for sure.

I think the Khan in both the ER and now FM has had a mention of trying to reestablish better communication which would allow for more control.  Honestly, with the HPG system down and the Clan being spread out more autonomy and some fracturing was bound to happen.

There was also some speculation that Tiburon's deal with the FedSuns may be part of a plan by the Khan.

[Kitsune413]

Don't get crazy. The Aimags may be getting more independent but that doesn't make us fire mandrills. We genuinely like each other. look at what happened to Clan Wolf when they tried to take on one Aimag

I think, "May split into separate factions" has been the obvious flaw for the Sea Foxes since the Era Report. But at the end of the day we're all Sea Foxes. I think there is more camaraderie than that. 

[Kitsune413]

in 3085 we had one of the largest toumans, but it seems since then some of the other clans have far out paced us. Not sure how I feel about that.

[Jaim Magnus]

As roving gypsy-traders, do you really need the largest touman?  Wouldn't most effective be more useful?

[rebs]

It also depends what we may or may not have off the books.  We're prone to slipperiness like that, you know.   :)  Hidden secrets need hidden forces to ensure their protection.

[Kitsune413]

There is that off the books stuff. We also don't really know what an Aimag is still. Though they seem to be organized similarly to clusters.

My real concern isn't in the amount of forces we have. More a concern about the amount of clusters the Jade Falcons and Wolves have. though the wolf clusters on paper are ignoring some of the difficulties they're having.

[rebs]

I picture Aimags and Khanates as analogous to Clusters and Galaxies, so that makes sense.  We've gone all out to distance ourselves from our Homeworld Roots.  The Foxes are a very willful Clan, I feel.  I like that part as much as anything.

[Kitsune413]

and despite our compulsion for honor and nobility. Apparently very sneaky.

Looking back through the field manuals to try and figure out just what it is we may be after (Though I believe one Field Manual sums it up nicely. Survival. Which, I suppose, it may be safer to survive by being warrior traders than it is by being warriors alone) all of them describe us as being mysterious.

Well, in that, "We don't know what they're doing way" and not in that, "Tall dark and Handsome" way. Not that we aren't tall. Or handsome. Or dark...

[Kitsune413]

The Foxes are a very willful Clan, I feel.  I like that part as much as anything.

I agree. I've enjoyed all the tidbits we do get about our clan.

[Arkansas Warrior]

As roving gypsy-traders, do you really need the largest touman?  Wouldn't most effective be more useful?

Quite the opposite.  They're so spread out that they can't possibly concentrate much force in any one place.  So they need to be big.  It's a lot like the Com Guard.  When you have units piecemealed out as IIs or IIIs all over the sphere, you've got to have massive numbers to have the chance of being that effective anywhere.

[rebs]

Quite the opposite.  They're so spread out that they can't possibly concentrate much force in any one place.  So they need to be big.  It's a lot like the Com Guard.  When you have units piecemealed out as IIs or IIIs all over the sphere, you've got to have massive numbers to have the chance of being that effective anywhere.

Hopefully we have plenty of hidden forces built up by now.  I doubt we can find 50 comstar divisions of Star League Mechs cached away for a very rainy day.  ;)  But something to surprise aggressors (and Aggressors, maybe?) with. 

and despite our compulsion for honor and nobility. Apparently very sneaky.

Looking back through the field manuals to try and figure out just what it is we may be after (Though I believe one Field Manual sums it up nicely. Survival. Which, I suppose, it may be safer to survive by being warrior traders than it is by being warriors alone) all of them describe us as being mysterious.

Well, in that, "We don't know what they're doing way" and not in that, "Tall dark and Handsome" way. Not that we aren't tall. Or handsome. Or dark...

And that's a nice difference.  It satisfies my fandom to have risen from the Clan that was regarded as dishonorable and weak traders by the rest of the invading Clans, and probably the rest of the Clans too, more or less, to this current form.  Hopefully we can survive the upcoming tempest.

[Savage Coyote]

Are the era report and fm the only sources of I of for the sea foxes?  I'm interested in Tiburon but want to get as much info as possible before getting miniatures and force lists and themes made  :D

[Kitsune413]

Are the era report and fm the only sources of I of for the sea foxes?  I'm interested in Tiburon but want to get as much info as possible before getting miniatures and force lists and themes made  :D

Paint them! I don't know what color they're supposed to be.... and technically there are tons of sources for Clan Sea Fox.

They are in the Novels Hunters of the Deep, Pandora's Gambit and to Ride the Chimera.

They have a large section in touring the Stars... and if you open up the MWDA Unique's PDF and do a search on Sea Foxes it'll stop you on almost every page for mechs. There are two warriors listed in that pdf as well.

Otherwise, yes. The Era Report and the Field Manual

The only paint schemes we've seen at all are the Ilclan's and Skate Khanate.

Skate is all dark blue (almost dark purple) with metallic cyan highlights. the Ilkhanate is the opposite. Its all metallic cyan with some dark blue (almost dark purple) highlights. You can see both in the Unique's pdf.

though I'm more interested in Tiburon and Spina Khanates schemes myself.

[Arkansas Warrior]

Are the era report and fm the only sources of I of for the sea foxes?  I'm interested in Tiburon but want to get as much info as possible before getting miniatures and force lists and themes made  :D

Some info can be gleaned from TRO 3145 Mercs, but I'm sure you know that.

[Savage Coyote]

 ;D

Okay, so there are some scheme bases.  Time to ponder...

[Kitsune413]

;D

Okay, so there are some scheme bases.  Time to ponder...

Just Josem Hawker (who is a jerk) http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=FP149 from Skate
and Najeh Hammond from the Ilkhanate http://www.warrenborn.com/Unit.php?ID=FP117

Nothing on Fox Khanate, Spina Khanate or Tiburon Khanate. I'll run through Hunters of the Deep to see if they wrote anything about Spina Khanate colors.

Skate Khanates scheme is really dark.

[Kitsune413]

No mention of paint schemes in Hunters of the Deep. At least not in the chapters with mechs in them. Ritual Combat and the Battle of Stewart.

Nor are there any in Pandora's Gambit when the Sea Foxes hit the ground.

So it seems the only canon references to any paint are on those mini's.

(also thanks. I'd been hunting for details of the Battle of Stewart and didn't realize I'd already read the thing.)

[Savage Coyote]

I found it a little odd Tiburon's Gamma Aimag is just regular for all the writing they got in both ER and FM 3145.  Just regular joe's with a string of unprecedented victories!  ;D

[Foxx Ital]

Depending on how much damage they took doing it, the influx of new warriors could have brought their rating down?

[Kitsune413]

I found it a little odd Tiburon's Gamma Aimag is just regular for all the writing they got in both ER and FM 3145.  Just regular joe's with a string of unprecedented victories!  ;D

That is really strange. Well. Good Luck Federated Suns. We stripped our navies and sent out some amateurs to save your sorry lives!

In the Era Report one out of three of them have the sharpshooters ability! ... I think I may submit it as Errata.  ;D

Depending on how much damage they took doing it, the influx of new warriors could have brought their rating down?

They are over strength right now  :)

[wantec]

I found it a little odd Tiburon's Gamma Aimag is just regular for all the writing they got in both ER and FM 3145.  Just regular joe's with a string of unprecedented victories!  ;D

You're looking at it backwards. It's not that they should be elite b/c they have this string of unprecedented victories. The reason the string of victories is unprecedented is b/c they're just a bunch of regular joes.

[Savage Coyote]

You're looking at it backwards. It's not that they should be elite b/c they have this string of unprecedented victories. The reason the string of victories is unprecedented is b/c they're just a bunch of regular joes.

True true... though in real life games regular's great so you don't have the pay the steeper veteran (2/3) or elite (1/2) BV modifiers! :)

[Kitsune413]

9 variants for 3 chassis in the ntnu (new tech, new upgrades) section. We have been Industrious. Not statted out. But im looking forward to the Sea Fox officers variant of the mad cat ii

[Arkansas Warrior]

The beans.  Spill them, you will.  What's it look like?

[Savage Coyote]

9 variants for 3 chassis in the ntnu (new tech, new upgrades) section. We have been Industrious. Not statted out. But im looking forward to the Sea Fox officers variant of the mad cat ii

3145 print TRO?

[Kitsune413]

3145 print TRO?

Yes. The new onn section. We have got mad cat iii, mad cat ii's and warhammer iic (our best products) in three new variants each. Looks like our phoenix hawk lines arent doing too much. If we even rebuilt them after the bloody tricentennial attacks.

The spirit cats have a favored shadow hawk iic variant.

But since the supply of shadow hawks and griffins (iic's) we used to refit came from the nova cats who knows if there is a supply of those mechs. May just be refitting what they own.

Alot of the descriptions are to vague to build yourself. Like the mad cat iii descriptionsbasically just says, "they made new ones! With guns and stuff!"

But some of the warhammer configs you could deduce and the mk ii configs might be to vague to build but they sound awesome!