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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: Cubby on 13 June 2019, 12:04:39
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Kickstarter campaign is LIVE! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion
(https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion)
In 3050, the true heirs of the lost Star League thunder forth from the depths of the far Periphery and carve deep into the quarreling Successor States. As the Clan juggernaut rolls across the coreward realms of the Inner Sphere, the House Lords scramble to shore up their defenses and devise some way to halt the invaders.
The Clan spear is aimed at the heart of human-occupied space. Do you possess the bold tactics and heroic courage to defeat warriors trained from birth to conquer? Or will you uphold Kerensky’s dream to cast aside the squabbling lords of the Inner Sphere and reignite the flame of the Star League?
Hot on the heels of the wildly successful launch of two new boxed sets, the BattleTech tabletop game comes to Kickstarter for the first time ever to unleash totally remodeled Clan and Inner Sphere ’Mechs on your gaming table. Utilizing the same process that modernized the nine BattleMechs found in those bestselling box sets, each ’Mech has been painstakingly re-imagined, holding to the spirit of their original design while embracing a modern aesthetic. (Click on the images to enlarge.)
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The Clan Invasion box set will add five popular Clan OmniMechs to your arsenal, including the seminal Timber Wolf (Mad Cat). It will also include a bevy of support materials, the rules needed to play Clan technology, all new maps, and more.
Stretch goals will rapidly fill the ranks with more Clan and Inner Sphere ’Mechs boasting all-new looks. The Clan Command Star expansion will include the devastating Dire Wolf (Daishi) and the ever-popular Shadow Cat, while the Clan Attack Star pack will contain the Warhawk (Masakari) and Nova Cat. Meanwhile, the Inner Sphere will take desperate action to try to stave off the invasion. The Inner Sphere Command Lance pack will deploy the beloved Marauder and Archer, while the Warhammer and Phoenix Hawk will hot-drop from the Inner Sphere Battle Lance pack. And there’s more to unlock on both sides!
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Add-ons will include a plethora of exciting new BattleTech merchandise, the latest rulebooks, sourcebooks, boxed sets, and more!
While you wait for the launch of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter on July 17, grab the brand-new and completely free Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars PDF to get a taste of campaign play using the new boxed sets!
Any able commander can win a single battle, but only true leaders with skill, guts, and vision can win a war. Do you have what it takes to change the course of the Succession Wars and add your name to the annals of history?
Building off of the BattleTech Beginner Box and BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat, Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars provides rules for selecting a force and embarking on a planetary assault mini-campaign, as well as tools to create campaigns of your own.
The scenarios included with those boxed sets are intended as one-off battles with no impact on the next encounter. This module introduces Chaos Campaign play, which offers consequences between individual missions, a reason to chase down specific objectives while preserving your troops, and ways to improve your force as you progress.
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(Well, I guess I know why the site's slow now... :) )
WAHOOOOOOOOO! The reports of the Marauder's demise WERE greatly exaggerated!
Looking forward to the 17th, gentlemen.
Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
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I believe Ray is the only one with decision making powers (or in the decision making process) that's posted about Kickstarter and his comments have always been something like "we'll use kickstarter when it's appropriate". CGL has used kickstarter several times before this, just not for BattleTech before.
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The stars are right! (Pune intended)
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Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
It was more a matter of "we're not leaping into it as the magic answer to all problems: any possible kickstarter would require careful research and the right product." Looks like they got both.
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Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
They choose to apply that option where its use is warranted. They've Kickstartered things before (Sprawl Ops for SR comes to mind).
But instead of as a blunt instrument to apply to every problem, they use it as a rapier to apply to certain things that Kickstarter is best able to solve.
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I believe Ray is the only one with decision making powers (or in the decision making process) that's posted about Kickstarter and his comments have always been something like "we'll use kickstarter when it's appropriate". CGL has used kickstarter several times before this, just not for BattleTech before.
Not a decision-maker, but I've posted about KS before. I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that management is aware of KS's potential, but that there are significant challenges to conducting one, and that I had no announcement to make at this time about a BT KS.
As I wrote on FB a little while ago, this was the right time and the right project. Not sure what further explanation anyone could offer.
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Not a decision-maker, but I've posted about KS before. I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that management is aware of KS's potential, but that there are significant challenges to conducting one, and that I had no announcement to make at this time about a BT KS.
As I wrote on FB a little while ago, this was the right time and the right project. Not sure what further explanation anyone could offer.
Yeah, I haven't used Facebook since 2016 very much, so anything said there is lost on me :)
It was more a matter of "we're not leaping into it as the magic answer to all problems: any possible kickstarter would require careful research and the right product." Looks like they got both.
I believe Ray is the only one with decision making powers (or in the decision making process) that's posted about Kickstarter and his comments have always been something like "we'll use kickstarter when it's appropriate". CGL has used kickstarter several times before this, just not for BattleTech before.
No worries, guess I just misread the Kickstarter thread and took the wrong impression from it. :)
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Great....just when I convinced my wife my BattleTech addiction was under control.
I guess the July credit card bill goes missing :D ;D
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“We weren’t interested until we were” or “believe me when I tell you I was lying before”
Good stuff. I’m glad Anthony's work he’s been showing off on patreon is finding a fast outlet to us
Great....just when I convinced my wife my BattleTech addiction was under control.
Narrator: that was a lie
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Can we kickstart some sort of plot advancement?
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Oh this is gonna be good. Now the fanbase can put their money where their mouths are. ;)
Me, I'm not terribly interested in this particular product but I will probably support CGL on general principle (and get cool stuff for it).
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“We weren’t interested until we were” or “believe me when I tell you I was lying before”
The former, not the latter. I would not knowingly lie on anyone's behalf.
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Guys, guys. You did it. You convinced me to sell my 40K armies (not all of them, but enough of them!)
Thank you. These look fantastic!
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Guys, guys. You did it. You convinced me to sell my 40K armies (not all of them, but enough of them!)
Thank you. These look fantastic!
Yeah, I gotta figure out where to come up with some money. I have no 40k armies :).
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The former, not the latter. I would not knowingly lie on anyone's behalf.
A refreshing change in the PR world
Also thank you for the month heads up. It will significantly improve my pledge.
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Any idea on price points?
So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately? Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
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Oh this is gonna be good. Now the fanbase can put their money where their mouths are. ;)
Me, I'm not terribly interested in this particular product but I will probably support CGL on general principle (and get cool stuff for it).
Oh, I'm gonna support the everlivin' heck out of this. Couldn't care less for the Clans, but any chance to get that sweet Marauder and company...
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Oh, I'm gonna support the everlivin' heck out of this. Couldn't care less for the Clans, but any chance to get that sweet Marauder and company...
Same here, I'm more interested in the Inner Sphere Mechs, but wont turn away the OmniMechs. I'll be throwing money at this as soon as it goes live!
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Cool.
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Any idea on price points?
My guess is the answer is 'when it goes live'. Otherwise they probably would have included it in the announcement already.
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Yeah, I was just hoping 40s, 50s, 60s or 'like GoAC' just so I can start adjusting budget and getting the wife used to the spending idea.
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Yeah, I was just hoping 40s, 50s, 60s or 'like GoAC' just so I can start adjusting budget and getting the wife used to the spending idea.
The timeline is usually around a month, so you won't have to make budget decisions or negotiate right this instant.
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MARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADA MARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADAMARADA
*passes out, wakes up*
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
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The timeline is usually around a month, so you won't have to make budget decisions or negotiate right this instant.
Lol, for what I am thinking, I am going to start early . . .
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Any idea on price points?
So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately? Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Going by the announcement, the main goal of the kickstarter is the Clan box, and I think the only confirmed mech in there is the Mad Cat. If we reach that level of funding and go farther, then we can unlock stretch goals, such as the lance and star boxes pictured.
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I'm curious, after the Kickstarter, is the plan for these to be available for stores to order? Because I know that's going to be a question my local game store is going to ask.
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That's almost certainly the idea. Kickstarters are exactly what the name implies - a way to get the initial funding, and kickstart the production process. I imagine it's up to the profits from the first production run to fund further runs.
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaas!
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So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately? Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
The text states the Clan box set is 5 minis plus rules, maps and game aids, and the lance and star packs are stretch goals.
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Will there also be other payment options (such as paypal)?
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Any idea on price points?
So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately? Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Price points to be unveiled upon the launch. (I think.) Weighing the value of letting people plan their purchases against not overwhelming them with info ahead of when they can actually spend.
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Setting the Lance packs as Stretch goals is brilliant lol. Tempt us dirty IS 3025 folks into supporting the cleaners by dangling Marauders and Archers in front of us lol.
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Cubby, I think there's something wrong with the Kickstarter.
I just threw my wallet at the screen and nothing happened.
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So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately? Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Lance/star packs are separate products from the Clan Invasion base box. Unlocked separately. Your backer level will allow you to select X number of packs from the Y that have been unlocked; those that have been unlocked will also be purchase-able individually as add-ons.
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Will there also be other payment options (such as paypal)?
I assume so? I think payment can be done in a variety of ways, based on the couple of other KS's I've personally backed.
Sorry for the string-posting, all. I'm approaching maximum density.
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For those not familiar with Kickstarter and its terms, here's a fictional example:
I am Catalyst, and want to produce a BattleFace box, and decide to Kickstart it. I determine that it will cost me $100,000 to get a full production run made. I set up the website on Kickstarter, and essentially tell folks that enough people pledge money that it totals $100,000, the box will get made. (Note: The money is only charged at the end of the Kickstarter. If not enough money is pledged by the time the Kickstarter ends, no money is charged at all, and the box doesn't get made.)
The Kickstarter goes live, and progresses well, with plenty of pledges. Since it looks like the interest is there, I start setting up stretch goals. I tell folks that if we reach $150,000 in pledges, the extra money will go towards making the rulebook hardcover instead of paperback. If we reach $200,000, the plain dice will be made of endo steel. If we reach $1,000,000, each box will contain a flute carved from the leg bones of my enemies, and so forth.
Note: the above is an entirely FICTIONAL example.
Right now, the main product is looking to be the Clan Box, of which the Mad Cat is the only confirmed mini out of five. The additional lance and star boxes are stretch goals, that will only happen if the campaign exceeds its goalby a certain amount. It is entirely possible for us to get the Clan box, but no Marauder box.
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Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
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That's almost certainly the idea. Kickstarters are exactly what the name implies - a way to get the initial funding, and kickstart the production process. I imagine it's up to the profits from the first production run to fund further runs.
the BEST kickstarters are the ones where Product Development is complete and the need for funding centers around manufacture and distribution, especially if you got an initial manufacturing quote. (there is always adjustments to be made, so that does not mean amazon cuts a check to company X and manufacturing immediately starts)
so this is a good fit in theory.
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Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
Correct. But let's be honest. Given the enthusiasm of this forum's membership alone, I'm not very worried about a lack of Marada.
Note: It is possible to support the Clan Box without actually buying one. You'll see when the actual kickstarter goes live.
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Correct. But let's be honest. Given the enthusiasm of this forum's membership alone, I'm not very worried about a lack of Marada.
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.
Note: It is possible to support the Clan Box without actually buying one. You'll see when the actual kickstarter goes live.
I would hope so. No experience with kickstarter. Mostly because I refuse to preorder stuff.
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Hey folks. I’ll start going through this thread and clarify where warranted. But the announcement is pretty much it for now.
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We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.
At this point, the alternative is no Kickstarter and no more classic mechs until CGL can generate the necessary revenue from selling other products, which is just as much of a crapshoot as the Kickstarter.
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I’ll start going through this thread and clarify where warranted.
Thank you.
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We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.
To get anything about the Clans, we have typically had to buy the books covering everything since they are appealing to the whole fanbase- you know like Field Manual Updates, TRO3150 with its IS/Periphery designs, etc . . .
Simply, its been the established practice to put both together to increase appeal in a product.
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To get anything about the Clans, we have typically had to buy the books covering everything since they are appealing to the whole fanbase- you know like Field Manual Updates, TRO3150 with its IS/Periphery designs, etc . . .
When was the last time you had to buy IS mechs to get Clan mechs? Or vice-versa?
Simply, its been the established practice to put both together to increase appeal in a product.
There is a massive difference between fluff pieces and models. The record sheets are available in Clan-only or IS-only packs, there are the MULs for availability, and BV for your games.
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Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
what stance? A lot of people take it upon themselves to answer on CGLs behalf. You’d have to ask them. This is a long time coming. Not as a result of some KS thread (which I mostly steered clear of), or looking at the work Anthony has been doing and going “hey, this gives us an idea…” (Logic it out. It’s the other way around.)
Can we kickstart some sort of plot advancement?
That’s funny. Yeah, if that would make any money.
Any idea on price points?
So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately? Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Can’t get into price points right now.
The Kickstarter is for the Clan Invasion Box (which contains a star). Everything else…stretch goal add ons.
I'm curious, after the Kickstarter, is the plan for these to be available for stores to order? Because I know that's going to be a question my local game store is going to ask.
That’s the plan, and as of this writing there should also be tiers for brick and mortar stores to participate.
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When was the last time you had to buy IS mechs to get Clan mechs? Or vice-versa?
Clan players bought into the Alpha Strike Lance Packs hoping to get something like this- on the 'maybe, if it does well' line. Since the details are not out about how its structured its a bit early to be urinating on the latest effort- especially when every other product like it before cater'd to your preferences b/c that was the 'entry point.'
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what stance? A lot of people take it upon themselves to answer on CGLs behalf. You’d have to ask them. This is a long time coming. Not as a result of some KS thread (which I mostly steered clear of), or looking at the work Anthony has been doing and going “hey, this gives us an idea…” (Logic it out. It’s the other way around.)
Just to echo what Adrian is saying here, I'm Not CGL, but I heard whispers of this at MechCon last year/December 2018, so, I know it was likely discussed months prior to that (maybe even predating GenCon 2018)
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Clan players bought into the Alpha Strike Lance Packs hoping to get something like this- on the 'maybe, if it does well' line. Since the details are not out about how its structured its a bit early to be urinating on the latest effort- especially when every other product like it before cater'd to your preferences b/c that was the 'entry point.'
They bought them *hoping*. They were not told "this, or (probably) nothing." Come on.
And don't presume to know my preferences. You're barking up the wrong tree as it is.
EDIT: I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
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Guys. Take that crap out of here please. Thanks.
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EDIT: I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
wasn't in the announcement but KS efforts can run anywhere between one and sixty days. Kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less.
https://help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005128434-What-is-the-maximum-project-duration-
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wasn't in the announcement but KS efforts can run anywhere between one and sixty days. Kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less.
https://help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005128434-What-is-the-maximum-project-duration-
Cheers.
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Guys. Take that crap out of here please. Thanks.
In case it needs additional emphasis...
**MOD NOTICE**
If you want to complain about needing a Clan Invasion Kickstarter in order to get the stuff that you want out of Battletech, take it to another thread. Additional posts here along those lines will be immediately flagged for moderator review.
If you just want to ask questions about the Clan Invasion Kickstarter to get a better idea of what is going on, please continue in this thread.
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Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
(I started off needlessly long winded here, thought better to delete all that and cut to the chase) You can participate in this Kickstarter and work towards unlocking the IS Mechs without having to buy a single clan mini. More details once we launch.
I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
No definitive answer (meaning, I don’t recall or have it immediately in front of me), but most likely 30 days.
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The months notice is well appreciated, I have all ready lost my trial of possession for my wallet to you. Well bargained and done catalyst.
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oh my lord, this is absolutely stunning news. I cannot wait!
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While the immediate reaction to this news seems like an awfully great indication of success, for my own information (because I have never Kickstarted anything) what happens in the unfortunate even that it does not get fully funded? Do backers get their money back? Or does the promised money not get collected UNTIL a project is successfully funded?
I apologize for my complete lack of understanding of the process. If there is a Kickstarter FAQ somewhere where all of this is explained in very simple, small words that even I can understand, just point the way.
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While the immediate reaction to this news seems like an awfully great indication of success, for my own information (because I have never Kickstarted anything) what happens in the unfortunate even that it does not get fully funded? Do backers get their money back? Or does the promised money not get collected UNTIL a project is successfully funded?
I apologize for my complete lack of understanding of the process. If there is a Kickstarter FAQ somewhere where all of this is explained in very simple, small words that even I can understand, just point the way.
You don't pay anything unless it funds. Basically, we don't run anyone's card (so to speak) until the goal is reached.
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You don't pay anything unless it funds. Basically, we don't run anyone's card (so to speak) until the goal is reached.
Awesome! Thanks for the clarification, Cubby.
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Our glorious process shall not be denied! The children of kerensky have returned to claim what is rightfully ours.
What a time to be a BattleTech fan. You guys are on point. :thumbsup:
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Any chance of Elementals? Maybe not plastic, but, say... Cardboard 'hexes' or a card stand sort of thing like the 'extra' mechs in previous box sets have been? I'd really love to see the former, especially, since that would more readily allow lots of them, but whatever works!
Maybe a stretch goal? Because while it's definitely a mech on mech thing, Elementals very much made the Clans even more unique and scary!
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Welp, time to be poor. Again
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Hell yeah. I'll be in on this hard.
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Any chance of Elementals?
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Maybe a stretch goal?
yes, maybe.
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yes, maybe.
*jawdrop*
WOOHOO!!!!
Now I'm getting even more seriously excited about this one. Because that's just awesome!
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Awesome! Thanks for the clarification, Cubby.
You can also change your pledge any time up to the time it closes. So if a stretch goal adds something you want, you can change your pledge. Or if you realize getting your car running again might be more important than all those 'mechs, you can lower it. Once the Kickstarter ends, then they grab whatever was pledged at that point.
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Any chance of Elementals? Maybe not plastic, but, say... Cardboard 'hexes' or a card stand sort of thing like the 'extra' mechs in previous box sets have been? I'd really love to see the former, especially, since that would more readily allow lots of them, but whatever works!
Maybe a stretch goal? Because while it's definitely a mech on mech thing, Elementals very much made the Clans even more unique and scary!
I was wondering if they were 'and stuff' for the original box announcement. While I like their inclusion for the 'Clan' feel, its not as big a deal directly for me . . . I use a single Elemental to represent the point and had two IWM boxes of stands (which means x3 Elementals) along with the MWDA types. I figure if I wanted to, I could field Zeta Galaxy.
But we will have SL weapon descriptions, Clan weapon descriptions and maybe some new fiction . . .
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well looks like i'll be dipping into the savings account a little this summer.
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Any chance of Elementals? Maybe not plastic, but, say... Cardboard 'hexes' or a card stand sort of thing like the 'extra' mechs in previous box sets have been? I'd really love to see the former, especially, since that would more readily allow lots of them, but whatever works!
Maybe a stretch goal? Because while it's definitely a mech on mech thing, Elementals very much made the Clans even more unique and scary!
The MOST IMPORTANT question. Anything that results in me having more Elementals is something that needs to succeed.
You can also change your pledge any time up to the time it closes. So if a stretch goal adds something you want, you can change your pledge. Or if you realize getting your car running again might be more important than all those 'mechs, you can lower it. Once the Kickstarter ends, then they grab whatever was pledged at that point.
That's great! Thanks for the info!
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Interesting and surprising.
Some questions, if they can be answered now:
While prices aren't available yet, i will have to wonder if shipping is included or not, to US or even internationally? Some US-based Kickstarters for board games and other stuff have left shipping costs to backers (eg "$50 tier" would require backing by $50+shipping costs).
No doubt it is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation". Backers don't like having to extra pay for shipping, CGL paying for (international) shipping would take large chunk of backing money.
I presume the plan is to produce stuff beyond Kickstarter if the thing is successful? That is, it not one-time chance to get stuff, if it successful?
Uh... i had some other question too but forgot it while typing and having issues with special characters for whatever reason.
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:o *deep breath* Don't freak, don't freak, don't overreact...*reads link*
EEEEEEE....*passes out* xp
My brain: We don't need to spend any more money on hobby stuff
Me: To Hells with you, Marauder
Brain: Wait? as in....
Me: Yup, 75tons of GLORIOUS Inner Sphere Heavy
Brain: We need to sell our 40k stuff
Me: But Sisters are coming out soon
Brain: Screw the Sisters, BATTLETECH FOREVER!
Welp, looks like Games Workshop isn't getting any of my money any time soon, shame. ;D
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Being part of CSO, I had the honor of painting a classic Marauder. Painting it was like meeting an old friend that has been away some time. Very easy to paint, especially using airbrush. The classic Stinger is also a great miniature, the pose is better, the details are amazing and also is easy to paint, too. Two winners in the books.
The classic Archer was featured in the 2018 Gen Con diorama and it was gorgeous. Actually, I had no beef with any of the new classics. It is quite clear that everything, from the art to the model, has been done with the care they deserve.
As you may guess, I am highly interested and happy with the news. The hype is real.
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I think Im in on this kickstarter. I can see it making its goal quickly.
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I just hope we get to see the remaining Ost brothers and I will be a happy camper! >:D
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1. If possible please allow a companion direct fund method to support the Kickstarter via the CGL webpage. This will potentially allow us to directly contribute without having to go through Kickstarter
2. Hopefully the units in the packs selected will also include 3145 units to support the continued narrative.
3. Maybe we can get an Elemental and IS Battle Armor box set in the Kickstarter, perhaps 4 bases worth for each in one box?
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The months notice is well appreciated, I have all ready lost my trial of possession for my wallet to you. Well bargained and done catalyst.
Was it a Trial of Possession or a Trial of Absorption?
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1. If possible please allow a companion direct fund method to support the Kickstarter via the CGL webpage. This will potentially allow us to directly contribute without having to go through Kickstarter
#notspeakingforCGL
Something that should be understood is that earlier Kickstarters have used alternate means of payment, but while they can contribute to stretch goals (since that is a construct of the group raising money and not Kickstarter the firm), they absolutely cannot contribute to the initial funding amount. Kickstarter gets a cut of the effort, if successful. If the company doesn't see the dollars, they will not count those dollars toward funding success.
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Actually, I had no beef with any of the new classics. It is quite clear that everything, from the art to the model, has been done with the care they deserve.
As you may guess, I am highly interested and happy with the news. The hype is real.
They are the absolute best 'mechs I've ever seen. I even prefer them to the Unseen originals.
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All I have to say in this matter is this:
:excited:
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I'm really looking forward to this but I have to ask - will you be using the same fulfillment warehouse as is being used for Shadowrun Sprawl Ops?
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**MODNOTICE**
Please take the discussion of clan era vs 3145 TO&E elsewhere. I'll be splitting out those posts into a different thread shortly.
Edit: Here's the new thread: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65655.0
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Of course, sorry!
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Of course, sorry!
:thumbsup:
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Was it a Trial of Possession or a Trial of Absorption?
In the words of Zoidberg, why not both? I all ready excitedly showed the girlfriend and informed her of my wallets impending demise. She was excited to see the direwolf.
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In the words of Zoidberg, why not both? I all ready excitedly showed the girlfriend and informed her of my wallets impending demise. She was excited to see the direwolf.
So she has you by Temptations and by War then? :D
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The Clan Invasion box set will add five popular Clan OmniMechs to your arsenal, including the seminal Timber Wolf (Mad Cat). The Clan Command Star expansion will include the devastating Dire Wolf (Daishi) and the ever-popular Shadow Cat, while the Clan Attack Star pack will contain the Warhawk (Masakari) and Nova Cat.
We can see the other three Omnis in the Command Star picture, but what will the other three in the Attack Star be? And, what about the other four in the base box set besides the Mad Cat? Really hoping to see a Hellbringer in the pile, to go along with all the other goodness.
Also CRUSADER WHEN
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3 tips for Kickstarter newbs.
#1) Pledge a $1. Afraid you might not have the funds in your account the day the kickstarter ends? Just put in a dollar. Once the backer kit goes live, you'll be able to up your pledge. Are you only interested in a stretch goal and don't know if it'll make it? Just pledge a dollar. You'll get the backer updates and once the goal you want is available you can always up your pledge. If it doesn't and your forget to cancel your pledge, you're only out a dollar.
#2) Kickstarter is NOT a preorder. There is always a risk with kickstarters You're not preordering, you're investing in a new product. If successful, you're investment is paid back with product. If the price of plastic suddenly quadruples driving Randell into a mad rage causing him to delete all the only copies of the 3D files for the minis and PDFs for the new books, then you're just out of luck. Related to this, if a iskickstarter saying they're to deliver August 2020, expect it by August 2021 and just be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier than that.
#3) Don't just bid $1! Does nothing I brought up in #1 apply to you? Then make sure your bid is high enough to get everything you want. The more everyone pledges, the faster we unlock stretch goals which means better deals, more add ons, or both. Just don't try to get cheeky by pledging a lot to get stretch goals and then lowering your pledge back to what you can actually afford. Kickstarter recognizes this and will kick you out.
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Really hoping to see a Hellbringer in the pile, to go along with all the other goodness.
Will this help?
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(From the Jade Falcon megathread)
Summoner without Hellbringer?
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Yes. This.
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Summoner without Hellbringer?
It's a safe assumption, with only so many options for minis. That's a star in the main box and a star each in the supplementals; assuming no doubles, that's fifteen different designs - but there's sixteen starting Omnis, and someone's getting left out. The idea of leaving out the Hellbringer IS inconceivable, but not impossible...
god i need a full marauder regiment now.
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Scroggins has promised to not only make hearts, but break hearts from my understanding if a thread on Facebook is true. 🤣
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I told you so guys! It's Christmas in July! :D
My 3 friends and I will make pledges.
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Looking forward to support this KS in July!
Perhaps, to help with spreading the word on the campaign - we can do Social Media type "reward" SGs, like how HBS did it... :)
I'm really glad to see this franchise flourish even after 35 years! Go CGL!
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We can see the other three Omnis in the Command Star picture, but what will the other three in the Attack Star be? And, what about the other four in the base box set besides the Mad Cat? Really hoping to see a Hellbringer in the pile, to go along with all the other goodness.
Also CRUSADER WHEN
Not to be a killjoy, but the answer to a lot of these types of questions is simply going to be, “you’ll see when the campaign launches.”
I realize there’s a great hunger to know more. But I’m just not able or willing to go beyond the information in the announcement at this time.
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Perhaps, to help with spreading the word on the campaign - we can do Social Media type "reward" SGs, like how HBS did it... :)
It’s come up. There’s some possibilities there, but in my opinion only, I think doing it right takes a level of social media complexity and awareness we’re not well-positioned for.
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3 tips for Kickstarter newbs.
#2) Related to this, if a iskickstarter saying they're to deliver August 2020, expect it by August 2021 and just be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier than that.
This, definitely. Having been around the Kickstarter rodeo a few times (mostly Castles and Crusades, Rifftrax and the Bring Back MST3K KS), going into a KS is not for the faint of patience.
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Thirded. Seriously folks, the product is going to be delayed from the initial time estimates, it's just a kickstarter fact of life. I'm not saying this to denigrate the skills or will of Cubby and everyone else at Catalyst, it's just realistic. Kickstarters get delayed. Battletech products get delayed. Keep that in mind when you pledge, and pass the time talking with other pledgers about how heavy your box is going to be or which Marauder you're going to paint first. :thumbsup:
So she has you by Temptations and by War then? :D
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Well, I checked in last night before bed for some chatter, usual cool spread of comments, but nothing out of the ordinary...and then when I wake up and check in this morning -> WOW!!! What a fantastic announcement!!! This really is an awesome direction to take and I will absolutely be throwing a ton of cash at this Kickstarter :)
Thanks for tackling head-on the fear/anxiety/stress that all IP owners must feel when pulling the trigger on something like this. A range of high quality plastic Mechs, particularly set in the Clan Invasion era, is a dream come true for me. I bought 2 x Beginners Box Sets and 2 x AGoAC Box Sets and I can guarantee I'll be buying a lot more of the Clan Invasion era stuff from this Kickstarter to be painted up as Ghost Bears and Wolves...and I also look forward to expanding on the IS Mechs I already have from the above mentioned box sets.
Thanks also for the free Chaos Campaign Succession Wars PDF, much appreciated :)
I'm really super-excited for this Kickstarter!
It’s come up. There’s some possibilities there, but in my opinion only, I think doing it right takes a level of social media complexity and awareness we’re not well-positioned for.
You can simply design this as a separate stretch goal to be released (It is common among Kickstarter campaigns so I assume Kickstarter has the capability to include this in the back-end during construction of the Kickstarter Campaign page???)...so instead of reaching a certain financial goal, you can have this particular stretch goal released by achieving the sharing of the Kickstarter on certain platforms...example, 500 Facebooks Shares, 500 Twitters Shares and 300 BGG Likes...or something similar...the only problem I have with these types of goals, is that I have a dislike of spam-flooding (even if it is super-cool spam like this) friends Facebook feeds (I'm not on Twitter)...but not everyone feels that way, so they are still good stretch goals to have as they create awareness of the Kickstarter.
Yeah, definitely love to see Elementals in this Kickstarter, they are very much a part of the Clan Invasion. IS Power Armour would also be cool, and although they were not a part of the Clan Invasion itself, it wasn't too far afterwards before they started appearing, so would be cool to include, if possible.
I also love that the main push of the Kickstarer is themed, and has a Star/Lance pack set-up. If at any stage during the Kickstarter it becomes possible to add Mechs as singles, that would also be a very nice way for people to get multiples of their favourite Mechs. I realise this may not be possible due to the manufacturing set-up, specifically if the injections molds are set up to cast several different types of Mechs at once or if the molds are set-up to create several of the same type of Mech at once...if the latter, then this would be a good way to allow people to get multiples of a favourite Mech/Mechs, and it would also probably drag a little more cash into the Kickstarter.
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So I’ve got $150 staring at Kickstarter right now, how much can I get for that??
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No one knows yet
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We all have to wait until July 17th.
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Further to my above post...you guys should also get HBS to send out a backer update/message to all their Kickstarter backers from the HBS Battletech PC Game Kickstarter, notifying those backers of your Kickstarter, no doubt you will get a fair amount of cross-over interest by doing this...
...I'm guessing the Clan Invasion TRO will drop at the same time as this Kickstarter, or perhaps even as an add-on during the Kickstarter???
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If at any stage during the Kickstarter it becomes possible to add Mechs as singles, that would also be a very nice way for people to get multiples of their favourite Mechs. I realise this may not be possible due to the manufacturing set-up, specifically if the injections molds are set up to cast several different types of Mechs at once or if the molds are set-up to create several of the same type of Mech at once...if the latter, then this would be a good way to allow people to get multiples of a favourite Mech/Mechs, and it would also probably drag a little more cash into the Kickstarter.
I think that would cause issues with IronWind, based on what’s been said here before about the relationship between CGL and IWM.
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Oh, I am hardcore backing this. Come on July 17th! Fingers crossed that there will a beautifully redesigned Mad Dog in there somewhere.
....and that Marauder! *swoons*
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I just hope we get some IS mod with clan tech stuff.
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One my wallet is not happy about this.
Two I hope you have a option for FLAGS to be able to buy in. Seems like a good way to make sure stores that want product gets product
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The Dashi and Marauder are beautiful but it looks to big. How will it fit in to a hex base
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The Dashi and Marauder are beautiful but it looks to big. How will it fit in to a hex base
Size of images may be imprecise. Relative size of mechs will be correct (like box set was). We had this discussion earlier about the summoner.
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the 3D renders that anthony's been sharing on patreon are done with hex bases. they fit similarly to current scale (eg barely ;D)
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mad and archers just after a finished putting all of those Robotech minis together. oh well open up early bird so I can give me you my money. :thumbsup:
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That Dire Wolf is enormous. And very pretty.
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Any chance of more light clan mechs? or bits for alternate configurations? alternate configurations being in there instead of primes? Elementals/Novas?
And yeah, I'm into this hard. Ice Ferret B, please
Two I hope you have a option for FLAGS to be able to buy in. Seems like a good way to make sure stores that want product gets product
seconded. I know a FLGS who is likely to drop battletech if there isn't.
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Given the level of excitement over the last two boxsets, I can't imagine that Catalyst won't be releasing this for general sale if they have any say in the matter at all.
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Glad to see Catalyst using Kickstarter for this. I like the way kickstarter lets hou weigh the options and price points and pledge the amount that balances what you can afford with what you want. Ill I'll definitely be checking it out to see wjefe the scales tip.
Cheers,
LCC
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Given the level of excitement over the last two boxsets, I can't imagine that Catalyst won't be releasing this for general sale if they have any say in the matter at all.
Kickstarter orders exceed planed run size is the only one I can think off
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CGL should also make the Mechs from the Beginners Box Set and the AGoAC Box Set available as an add-ons in this Kickstarter...I've already got 2 x sets of each, but I'd buy another two sets as add-ons in this Kickstarter...I'm sure others would do similar and any new comers to the game by way of the Kickstarter, to get mini's, will have more minis to buy...
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Looking forward to it. Hopefully i can afford it. xp
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Yep, announcements like this are why that Fry meme exists:
Shut up and take my money!
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What's the 5th mech in the Clan Command Star box?
I recognize the Dire Wolf, Stormcrow, Shadow Cat, and Summoner. Just not the 5th one.
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I think the koshi/mist lynx. Smallish, right number of missiles. although the bigger bore beside the LRMs is throwing me off.
edit - really good mech to include. Nice low BPV, but reasonably effective for said BPV. everything else is over 2K bpv, which is an issue.
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What's the 5th mech in the Clan Command Star box?
I recognize the Dire Wolf, Stormcrow, Shadow Cat, and Summoner. Just not the 5th one.
Koshi or Myst lynx I believe.
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although the bigger bore beside the LRMs is throwing me off.
Oh, it is the Koshi. Pretty much all Btech art of the Koshi has two unidentified ports to the middle of the mech on each side.
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It's definitely a Koshi. The shape of the cockpit, torso, arms, and legs all match.
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Koshi. Case closed.
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I have a question regarding shipping cost to EU. How much should we, EU backers, expect to pay for our pledges?
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For those not familiar with Kickstarter and its terms, here's a fictional example:
I am Catalyst, and want to produce a BattleFace box, and decide to Kickstart it. I determine that it will cost me $100,000 to get a full production run made. I set up the website on Kickstarter, and essentially tell folks that enough people pledge money that it totals $100,000, the box will get made. (Note: The money is only charged at the end of the Kickstarter. If not enough money is pledged by the time the Kickstarter ends, no money is charged at all, and the box doesn't get made.)
The Kickstarter goes live, and progresses well, with plenty of pledges. Since it looks like the interest is there, I start setting up stretch goals. I tell folks that if we reach $150,000 in pledges, the extra money will go towards making the rulebook hardcover instead of paperback. If we reach $200,000, the plain dice will be made of endo steel. If we reach $1,000,000, each box will contain a flute carved from the leg bones of my enemies, and so forth.
Note: the above is an entirely FICTIONAL example.
Right now, the main product is looking to be the Clan Box, of which the Mad Cat is the only confirmed mini out of five. The additional lance and star boxes are stretch goals, that will only happen if the campaign exceeds its goalby a certain amount. It is entirely possible for us to get the Clan box, but no Marauder box.
3 tips for Kickstarter newbs.
#1) Pledge a $1. Afraid you might not have the funds in your account the day the kickstarter ends? Just put in a dollar. Once the backer kit goes live, you'll be able to up your pledge. Are you only interested in a stretch goal and don't know if it'll make it? Just pledge a dollar. You'll get the backer updates and once the goal you want is available you can always up your pledge. If it doesn't and your forget to cancel your pledge, you're only out a dollar.
#2) Kickstarter is NOT a preorder. There is always a risk with kickstarters You're not preordering, you're investing in a new product. If successful, you're investment is paid back with product. If the price of plastic suddenly quadruples driving Randell into a mad rage causing him to delete all the only copies of the 3D files for the minis and PDFs for the new books, then you're just out of luck. Related to this, if a iskickstarter saying they're to deliver August 2020, expect it by August 2021 and just be pleasantly surprised if it's earlier than that.
#3) Don't just bid $1! Does nothing I brought up in #1 apply to you? Then make sure your bid is high enough to get everything you want. The more everyone pledges, the faster we unlock stretch goals which means better deals, more add ons, or both. Just don't try to get cheeky by pledging a lot to get stretch goals and then lowering your pledge back to what you can actually afford. Kickstarter recognizes this and will kick you out.
To follow up on these two, excellent posts: How does this whole thing work for a customer?
DISCLAIMER: THIS POST IS BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF KICKSTARTING PHYSICAL PRODUCTS, I HAVE NO INSIDE INFORMATION, THERE ARE NO CLUES ABOUT WHAT THE CLAN BOX KICKSTARTER WILL DELIVER IN THIS POST
When the Kickstarter goes live, there'll be a page on their site with the blurb, sample photos, and most importantly, a list of pledge levels. These generally start at $1 and go all the way up to some exorbitant sum.
The first couple of pledge levels provide either a nominal or minimal reward - being added to a list of thank yous on the website and/or in the rulebook is common, access to digital versions of the rulebook and play aids is another. But the real meat is in the pledge levels that offer physical rewards.
The basic physical reward level is usually the baseline product plus any upgrades to it unlocked during the campaign. Like going from a paperback rulebook to hardback in Weirdo's example. Or with Shadowrun Sprawl ops, one of the stretch goals was putting a foil effect on the board - every copy of the game has that, nobody had to pay extra. Well-researched Kickstarters will have shipping costs worked out in advance and they'll clearly be listed, as well as a tag to say if the product has a distribution centres outside the US, letting people know in advance if they need to risk paying import fees. In fact, the high shipping costs meant that I only backed the Eclipse Phase 2nd Edition Kickstarter at a digital level, because it'll be cheaper for me to buy the book locally when it comes out.
Above that, the pledge levels tend to be more stuff - multiple copies of the product, the product + a bunch of add-ons that are either available to begin with or are unlocked as stretch goals, and the top couple tend to have unique benefits - get added to the product as a character, go to dinner with the creators, stuff like that. Generally those top tier pledge levels have limited numbers.
So, when the kickstarter ends, what happens? If it doesn't fund, nothing. We don't get charged any cash, the creators go back to the drawing board. If it does fund, you'll be charged whatever your pledge level was within a couple of days of the end. That money is now gone, regardless of what happens to the project. There will be periodic updates from the creators on how work is progressing, and estimates of release. As Darkspade says, the estimate release date listed on the Kickstarter is advisory, and is rarely met. The production company is basically promising to make the product that was funded, plus anything they said they'd add as a stretch goal, be that upgrades to the original product or additional products.
Within a week or two of the campaign conclusion, where the kickstarter has sufficiently complex product options, a storefront will be opened, and everyone who pledges will be given access. Here you will confirm your pledge, shipping details, and if there are options to choose from, you will confirm them here also. Generally there will also be options to purchase additional products at this point - usually this means more of what is being offered in the Kickstarter, but it can sometimes be other items the publisher offers. This storefront is only open for a limited time, and generally each person can only use it once. So you need to be hundo p sure that you have everything you want selected before finishing up. You will then be charged for any change to your pledge, shipping, and anything else you purchased. That money is also now gone, regardless of what happens to the project.
And then, everything going well, we'll all get our Clan box sets, lance and star packs, and anything else that comes out of the campaign in a timely manner.
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As another addition reward levels might not include physical product, in the Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game Kickstarter SJG ran a few years back, the top two reward tiers where for one of two game sessions with Steve Jackson himself at a major con, so CGL could do something like that. Or one of their stretch goals might be increasing the number of games they run a GenCOn and the like.
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I'm pretty keen for this. the miniatures look great, and although I'm usually cautious with preorders or crowdfunding, I make an exception for BT. I'm curious to see more as the date gets closer, timeframes and the rest of the minis are of course of peak interest, however as a "geographically disabled" Battletech tragic, I'm hoping there's going to be some viable options for overseas shipping.
I do have one question: will the success and timing of this have any impact either way on future runs of AGOAC? I have noticed both primary and secondary market are essentially dry at the moment.
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Thanks guys for the Mech ID. Don't know why I didn't notice myself. I have and IWM one sitting right next to my computer... :facepalm:
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Please take plastic vs. metal elsewhere.
The minis in this Kickstarter will be plastic, and no amount of spirited debate here will change that, or influence if/when they’re produced in pewter.
Thanks.
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https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75913-reaper-bones-4-enthusiasm-and-commentary-thread/
If you want to get a feel for how a minis kickstarter can go, here's the discussion thread for the recently-finished Bones 4 Kickstarter by Reaper. It's over 1,000 pages long, but skimming bits here and there should prove educational about how these things can work. Done right, it can be great fun for everyone involved. (It helps that their forum is just a really nice community overall. My hat's off to their mod staff.)
Disclaimer: Catalyst is not Reaper, and the Clan Box is not Bones. I'm sharing this merely as an example of how things *can* go, not a promise of how things *will* go.
Disclaimerer: Before you go in there, know that some of the minis in that are nude. Reaper's usually pretty good about keeping pictures with naughty bits linked off-site, but as we all know, things happen, especially over the course of a thousand pages. You've been forewarned.
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I am so excited for this one, I really believe the success of the "other guys kickstarter" was an attempt by the BT community to get their warhammers archers rifleman longbows etc back. I am really hoping we see that repeated here! Then maybe we can finally see that Davion Combat manual as well as the others ( or some form of it)!
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Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
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Disclaimerer: Before you go in there, know that some of the minis in that are nude. Reaper's usually pretty good about keeping pictures with naughty bits linked off-site, but as we all know, things happen, especially over the course of a thousand pages. You've been forewarned.
At least BT minies I can look at while at work....
Look at those LRM Racks boys! I mean NSFW.... geez CGL Get your stuff together, how dare you objectify that Timberwolf.
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This Kickstarter could well be the final straw to get me to finally take the plunge into collecting Battletech, even if just for painting some up for display purposes!
Living in regional Australia has meant that I've been unable to get my hands on the new big boxed set for anything approaching a reasonable price thus far, so my question is: will the base Clan Invasion box come with the full core rulebook alongside the clan-tech rules? If not, are there any plans to include it (alongside extra maps and the like) as add-ons?
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Wow, this is exactly what I dared not hope for. To me, a clan invasion boxset was the logical progression to the initial ones and would greatly help make this game more approachable : you begin with the introductory boxset, you can have a lot of fun with the armoured combat one and then bring on the big guns with the clan invasion. A bit like the old BECMI D&D in Ye Goode Olde Days®.
Much better than with "just read total warfare".
Astounding news, thank you catalyst for making this happen. This is so great I can't believe it.
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Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
You got it.
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Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
This is exactly the perfect attitude to have. I like to have stuff shipped to my office, so that some random workday is pleasantly spiced up. :)
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Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
Yup, this is the mindset I try to keep when participating in Kickstarters. One can’t help but be anxious however.
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No kidding. How does one go about *not* thinking about Marauders?
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No kidding. How does one go about *not* thinking about Marauders?
By thinking about Archers and Valkyries.
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Yeah, those will look awesome on the tabletop, backing up all the Marau-dangit!
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Please take plastic vs. metal elsewhere.
The minis in this Kickstarter will be plastic, and no amount of spirited debate here will change that, or influence if/when they’re produced in pewter.
Thanks.
FYI: The discussion of metal vs plastic has been moved to its own thread, which can be found here for anyone who wishes to continue:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65661.0
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Disclaimer: I am not a member of catalyst, the below is my own views and I have no insider information.
Kickstarters often have risk involved. Some are better than others about managing this. Catalyst has been good about this in the past though.
On a technical side, here is what will likely be happenning:
1) send CAD designs to manufacturing company for conversion to molds.
2) molds made (the expensive part)
3) proofs sent to cgl (physical)
4) print runs ordered with the molds. (This can be delayed due to other orders at the manufacturer, and was a reason that the initial goac print run was delayed)
5) packaging gets printed
6) assembly of packaging and mechs.
7) shipment of produced items via ship to USA (takes about 1-2months, assuming it isn't lost at sea)
8) assembly of orders, shipping out to backers
I expect catalyst has already lined up a manufacturer (same as for the box sets), and knows their pricing.
Just some behind the music details for those of you who want to know.
The good news is that the molds are the expensive part, and why Kickstarter is a good idea. Once they are made, it is much cheaper to do additional runs for retail.
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Now all I have to do is figure out how to win the Powerball between now and July 17th...... >:D
Craig
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Now all I have to do is figure out how to win the Powerball between now and July 17th...... >:D
Craig
Just borrow a friends kid and open up a lemonade stand.
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Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
Like others said, good attitude to have for it!
And sometimes it works out awesomely too, because I lost my job last year and it was pretty darned sweet to have cool new things I'd kickstarted in the time before that show up at a time when I didn't have much money to spend on hobbies! Hopefully that isn't the case for anyone who backs this! But if it is, it means great stuff eventually! And if it isn't? Well, it's still pretty awesome to have cool stuff arrive. ;)
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I hope the mechs in the Box Set are part of the orig 16 of the Invasion Omnis.
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Pics of a bunch of the new minis
Seems someone posted Anthony's Patreon Photos - Hope you save them as I've removed them.
Sorry Shimmeringsword/Anthony
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MONEY. ALL. TAKE MINE. NOW. :drool:
More verbosely and seriously, those are some beautiful scultps, including the Clan 'mechs, which I always thought looked mildly ridiculous in previous art. Instead, even those look like lean mean fighting machines. Seriously, do NOT let Anthony Scroggins go. He's doing for Battletech's visual design what Claremont and Byrne did for the X-Men. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Pretty sure there's 5 missing from the Clan image. Warhawk is supposed to be included.
Also, I can't identify the one in the middle row, far right. Can someone help me out?
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The Grendel . .
Yeah, and we now have just 3 question marks remaining.
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Pretty sure there's 5 missing from the Clan image. Warhawk is supposed to be included.
Also, I can't identify the one in the middle row, far right. Can someone help me out?
I've heard off facebook it's supposed to be a Grendel?
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4247/grendel-mongrel-base
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I need a full colored TRO with images to match the minis
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The Grendel . .
Yeah, and we now have just 3 question marks remaining.
Oh, right! I always forget the Grendel exists. I always think, "what's that 45 ton Clan mech? The Shadow Cat? Yeah, that's probably it."
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Can someone send me the deleted pics? :D
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Can someone send me the deleted pics? :D
Nope :P
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Can someone send me the deleted pics? :D
**mod notice**
We understand this was likely said in jest, but let's be clear: Distributing images normally kept on Shimmering Sword's Patreon means you're taking money directly away from the guy responsible for designing all these new minis. This will not be tolerated. Do not try to distribute(or obtain) images normally kept behind a paywall on this forum, even jokingly.
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Can someone send me the deleted pics? :D
Checkout Shimmering Swords Patreon, it has the answers you seek.
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https://bg.battletech.com/news/designers-notes-timber-wolf-mad-cat/
I think i prefer the original's less bulky looks, or MW4's looks. Still, very good.
I hope the OmniMechs end up looking like they interchangeable parts, you know, what makes them Omni.
An issue with Clan OmniMechs made after the original 16 is that they never quite looked like they shared elements with each other or the originals.
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The changes to the upper-arm of the Mad Cat are a lot more practical then the older art/minis.
I am really happy about that.
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https://bg.battletech.com/news/designers-notes-timber-wolf-mad-cat/
<bursts through the door, Kramer-style>
Oh, someone already shared this. Good...good...
<bursts back out through the door>
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have they announced an actual list of what will be in the set and lance packs yet?
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Legs might be too much, or it could be angle . . . but I think that actually looks a lot like the MW3 art, both in game video and what was printed on the booklets.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/MechWarrior_3_Coverart.png)
No, but we had a accidental hint that gave us all but 3 of the Clan mechs.
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have they announced an actual list of what will be in the set and lance packs yet?
No, that will apparently be withheld until the Kickstarter goes live next month.
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Yup, this is the mindset I try to keep when participating in Kickstarters. One can’t help but be anxious however.
Amongst all the good news with other miniatures kickstarters...let's just remember the words "wave 2" and the monster kerfluffle that happened with that one. Most kickstarters turn out great, some fail because of various reasons...so temper expectations and hopes. There's always risk in such things, and not all of it is even the developer's fault - let's also remember the word "leviathans."
That said, here's hoping this kickstarter performs like the MST3K revival did!
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Or the Battletech PC game?
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I know this will sound weird, but I do hope this doesn't get too big. I want to see it be very successful, but not to the point that it becomes too much of a beast of Catalyst to handle. I still remember another mech game that kept on piling on the add ons and stretch goals like money was all they needed to make it happen.
Fortunately, based on previous posts on the subject, it looks like Catalyst is making sure all its Madcats are in a row for this and I'm certainly looking forward to it.
:smitten:
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Yeah you always wonder how things go after a project gets a pile of physical stretch goals (reminds me of that curse “may you get everything you want”)
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I kind of swore off kickstarter for a long time, but... I’m ready to be hurt again!
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Very Excited! The Clan mechs are cool but being able to get the Marauder, Archer, Warhammer, etc is even more exciting!!
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Something I’ve thought about:
I get the feeling this is going to big. Which is a good thing. But I’m cautious too: will CGL have all the support in place to manage something of this size, while maintaining the pipeline of existing box sets and other products?
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I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )
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I am totally psyked for this, but please, please, please, have normal shipping option for international backers.
Your online store has insane shipping costs for no good reasons. I just checked again, and Map Pack: Grasslands, which can be shipped in an envelope, only has 2 options for shipping, USPS Priority Mail International at 40$(!) and FedEx International Economy at 160$(!!! Sure glad it's the "economy" option!)
As a comparison, I just shipped a 1.2kg boardgame in a box to the USA for 26$CAD(less than 20$ US).
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I am totally psyked for this, but please, please, please, have normal shipping option for international backers.
Your online store has insane shipping costs for no good reasons. I just checked again, and Map Pack: Grasslands, which can be shipped in an envelope, only has 2 options for shipping, USPS Priority Mail International at 40$(!) and FedEx International Economy at 160$(!!! Sure glad it's the "economy" option!)
As a comparison, I just shipped a 1.2kg boardgame in a box to the USA for 26$CAD(less than 20$ US).
Exactly this. The cost of getting physical product to Australia from the CGL store has already stopped a few people I know from buying in to Battletech.
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Thanks for the preview of the Timber Wolf, it looks fantastic and I'm really looking forward to seeing it materialise before me in plastic :)
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I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )
That is kind of the Elephant in the room.
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This Kickstarter could well be the final straw to get me to finally take the plunge into collecting Battletech, even if just for painting some up for display purposes!
Living in regional Australia has meant that I've been unable to get my hands on the new big boxed set for anything approaching a reasonable price thus far, so my question is: will the base Clan Invasion box come with the full core rulebook alongside the clan-tech rules? If not, are there any plans to include it (alongside extra maps and the like) as add-ons?
Mighty Ape just had 4 box sets go up on both their main website and ebay store this past week, all are sold now, but I suspect they might have more stock and are drip feeding them into the community, keep an eye on them. Price was excellent too...$81 AUD with the free ebay code and $10 shipping to anywhere in NZ or AU...
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Having never participated in a kickstarter, my take away is save up, buy my levels, and then just put it out of my mind. At some point in the future something cool will show up in the mail. Maybe.
It’s not too dissimilar from buying armour for re-enactment in my experience.
They'll state a date on the Kickstarter for expected delivery, I suppose the average for boardgames would be about a year...so maybe July 2020. There's a good chance this will slip by anywhere from 2-4 months on average (sometimes they are delivered on or before time, sometimes they are delayed by more). You'll hear horror stories, everyone likes to tell those and it makes it sound much worse than it is, however I've been involved in over a dozen Kickstarters and they have all been successful and delivered, the longest delay for one of mine was about a year, but a number of them also came in on time or even earlier than expected.
Also, throughout the waiting period, you'll receive updates on the progress of the campaign, so you'll be informed.
If CGL have managed to organise, have manufactured and delivered the Beginner Box set and the AGoAC box set, then I'm absolutely sure they'll easily manage to do the same with the Clan Invasion box set and add-ons...they've got a demonstrated ability to fulfil these kinds of box sets...the only uncertain part is the time period, due to various industry factors (which will often be outside of CGL's sphere if influence). So I wouldn't feel that you *maybe* will get what you pledge for, but rather you *may* have to wait longer than the stated expected delivery date.
On Kickstarter I'm always wary of new companies, or pop-up companies that run a large Kickstarter campaign with masses of stretch goals and add-ons, but with companies like CGL, who have a demonstrated ability to successfully produce and deliver something, and have been around for quite some time consistently producing material...I'm not concerned...expect delays, definitely, but with these guys it is a very safe bet that you will get what you paid for (and likely for cheaper than you would if you waited for it to go to retail).
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Lorcan Nagle's breakdown here was super - https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939
I've supported a few kickstarters in the past (one being the Battletech game and the other being thingy...err..Elite Dangerous) and whilst there are horror stories out there about kickstarters going horribly wrong or just going on and on, most of those seem to be active cons offering the moon and stars or stuff that flat out breaks the laws of thermodynamics in one case.
I'm sure we're not going to have that problem here, and I look forwards to supporting this one to the best of my abilities.
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Mighty Ape just had 4 box sets go up on both their main website and ebay store this past week, all are sold now, but I suspect they might have more stock and are drip feeding them into the community, keep an eye on them. Price was excellent too...$81 AUD with the free ebay code and $10 shipping to anywhere in NZ or AU...
Cheers, I'll keep an eye on them! I know the beginner set is easier to get one's hands on, but lacking the full rulebook makes it a less appealing option over the AGoAC box. I suppose it is a good sign that the new plastics have proven far more popular than expected, but I do hope Catalyst gets a new print run into the wild soon!
I'm sure that jumping into the game with the Clan box might be jumping into the deep end a bit, but I started my interest in the franchise by playing Mechwarrior 2 back in the day and feel the need for that Timberwolf nearly as much as the Marauder and Warhammer! All I need now is to hear that the Mad Dog is getting a plastic sculpt, and I'll be fairly set for all my favorites.
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Cheers, I'll keep an eye on them! I know the beginner set is easier to get one's hands on, but lacking the full rulebook makes it a less appealing option over the AGoAC box. I suppose it is a good sign that the new plastics have proven far more popular than expected, but I do hope Catalyst gets a new print run into the wild soon!
I'm sure that jumping into the game with the Clan box might be jumping into the deep end a bit, but I started my interest in the franchise by playing Mechwarrior 2 back in the day and feel the need for that Timberwolf nearly as much as the Marauder and Warhammer! All I need now is to hear that the Mad Dog is getting a plastic sculpt, and I'll be fairly set for all my favorites.
No worries mate, also keep your eye on a store in Perth called Alpha Strike, they stock lots of BT stuff and will be getting the AGoAC box set back in-stock as soon as they can.
You probably already knew, but in case you didn't, you can get the full range of rulebooks on PDF from the CGL Store, Drive Thru RPG and Wargame Vault for quite cheap.
Agreed on the Mad Dog, it would be criminal to leave that beauty out of the plastic Mech line-up!!! :)
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Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 16 original Clan Omni's, so if there are 5 in the Command Star and 5 in the Assault Star, I'm guessing the box itself will contain, so which one gets left out?
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Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but there are 16 original Clan Omni's, so if there are 5 in the Command Star and 5 in the Assault Star, I'm guessing the box itself will contain, so which one gets left out?
there will be more than one missing, as the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat aren't part of the original 16. So if we assume we'll see a total of 15 clan Mechs from these three products, at most 13 of the originals will be in.
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Sometimes companies use Kickstarter as more of a preordering platform rather than a platform to fully develop a game idea, especially so for established companies.
Could it be that with seemingly the artwork and 3D sculpts already done, and rules already written and probably formatted, that CGL are already a long way into the process of having developed this Clan Invasion Box Set, and that this upcoming Kickstarter is more of a preorder process, rather than a full development process of a game from its infancy...and if so, will we perhaps have a shorter expected delivery date than you would for games being developed from their beginnings?
Yes, I am sitting on my couch at home, late at night, using my two thumbs on a tablet screen to wildly speculate because I'm a little bored...if it wasn't so cold outside, I'd go and prime the two Plastic Wolverines I've just finished rebasing...but it is cold, so I'm speculating instead...
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I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
(Getting a BattleShop order 5 years after I forgot about it taught me patience ;D )
I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment. We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle. I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes. :)
Sometimes companies use Kickstarter as more of a preordering platform rather than a platform to fully develop a game idea, especially so for established companies.
Could it be that with seemingly the artwork and 3D sculpts already done, and rules already written and probably formatted, that CGL are already a long way into the process of having developed this Clan Invasion Box Set, and that this upcoming Kickstarter is more of a preorder process, rather than a full development process of a game from its infancy...and if so, will we perhaps have a shorter expected delivery date than you would for games being developed from their beginnings?
Yes, I am sitting on my couch at home, late at night, using my two thumbs on a tablet screen to wildly speculate because I'm a little bored...if it wasn't so cold outside, I'd go and prime the two Plastic Wolverines I've just finished rebasing...but it is cold, so I'm speculating instead...
I think it's more that they've done the proper prep work for a successful kickstarter.
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Let's see, the actual KS is for Clan Invasion Box Set with at least Timber Wolf, and 4 others.
Stretch goals include "lance packs":
Clan Command Star: Dire Wolf, Shadow Cat, Mist Lynx, Stormcrow, Summoner
Clan Attack Star: Warhawk, Nova Cat, and 3 others
These add up to at least 6 of the original 16. At least 2 outside of the original 16 are included.
IS Command Lance: Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger
IS Battle Lance: Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, and 2 others
Missing Classics, after adding up the beginner box, AGOAC and the KS lance packs:
Rifleman, Wasp, Crusader.
I'd assume there will be at least third "lance pack" stretch goal for each side, possibly more.
I would expect we'll see all Classics for the Inner Sphere, along with some remodeled ones (personally wishing for Raven, Atlas, Cataphract, and JagerMech).
For the Clans, all original 16 is possible but is it probable? Personally i've huge issue with incomplete sets, and the original 16 form a set.
As for Clan 'Mechs beyond the original 16, which ones are popular? The Shadow Cat and Nova Cat are as far i can determine, probably one reason they've been chosen to the "lance packs".
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"And there's more to unlock on both sides!"
This line coming straight after the explanation of the additional Star and Lance packs that are mentioned as being planned, could very well mean that there are more Star and Lance packs planned...so we may indeed see all of the original invasion Omni Mechs as well as Clan Mechs that came a little later, like we've already seen...we may also see an IS Assault Lance...and perhaps a full Star of Elementals!!!
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You may view them as a set, but I am inclined to think they will use Clan mechs that are recongized- which means video games and MWDA IMO. Which easily explains the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat . . . and why the Mist Lynx (MWDA) is the one light we know of to be included. As I said in another thread, its hard to imagine the Fire Moth being included b/c its a finesse unit and rather fragile. The Viper and Ice Ferret already have two near that weight and bring nothing more than we are really going to get with the Mist Lynx & Grendel- sure a bit slower but the electronics and jumping are represented. The Gargoyle has never been in a video game after MW2 and was not in MWDA, so as much as I want it I figure its out. But I would expect the Cougar and Cauldron Born- Cougar b/c its been in nearly everything video game wise (even MechAssault) & MWDA while the Cauldron Born has been in the games. Then again, the Executioner was in the same boat as the Ice Ferret & Gargoyle but seems to be in so who knows.
A full star of Elementals would be a bad idea IMO- MAYBE a Battle Armor Pack, but you are more likely IMO to end up with a Wolf Clan Command Star. Four Omnis and a BA point- or maybe a Nova of 5 mechs and 5 BA points, but that would set it apart price wise from the rest.
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It just occurred to me, this would likely be a great vehicle with which to reveal a redone Kingfisher...
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Except I kind of like the brick that is the Kingfisher the way it is.
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Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
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I've been dancing on this for a while. Just been in a reading state. Toying between selling stuff, or going for occasional play.
Lately, been more and more excited, goign from contemplating playing to "how to get a group going". Now, after reading this, I'm sort of at this state.
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I'm putting money aside for this but I'm not sure if I'll commit until I see how CGL straightens out the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops fulfillment.
My concern is as much about the impact sorting will have on CGL as anything else, as I trust them to get me my stuff eventually.
I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment. We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle. I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes. :)
They got an outside company in for the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter, that's where the problems are. As of my last update, the fulfillment warehouse had messed (wrong packages, duplicate deliveries) up ~900 orders to the point that they don't have enough games left to fulfill everyone's rewards.
CGL have promised to get it sorted at no cost to backers and I trust them to do so but the delay is frustrating and it must be costing CGL a lot.
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Yeah, they have had warehouse problems before, unfortunately that is what happens when you are a small company and have to contract with others. I hope the folks who got the extra Shadow Run deliveries returned them but knowing people, some will not be sent back. Euphonium, it sounds like you followed that . . . out of curiosity, did they invite or offer extras for sale to FLGS?
Our local store just started carrying from IWM after their distributor dropped them, so I am wondering if this is something we might need to mention to them. This would look great on the shelf next to the Beginner and GoAC box . . . Clan Invasion box is so much easier to say than Game of Armored Combat.
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Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
And lacking a beer-belly. ;)
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Yeah, they have had warehouse problems before, unfortunately that is what happens when you are a small company and have to contract with others. I hope the folks who got the extra Shadow Run deliveries returned them but knowing people, some will not be sent back. Euphonium, it sounds like you followed that . . . out of curiosity, did they invite or offer extras for sale to FLGS?
Yes, I backed the Sprawl Ops KS and am following closely since I've got over $150 sunk on it. The rumour mill says that the warehouse broke open the EU container to source the extras that got sent out, so there's a good chance I'm just going to be out of luck.
Based on the discussion on the KS page some those who got duplicates and went to Origin returned the extras to the CGL booth and many others have expressed willingness to mail them back, but there are also a fair number of copies showing up on eBay with asking prices around $200-$250 >:(
I don't recall seeing anything aimed at FLGS, sorry.
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What omnimechs would count as invasion era?
The 12 in TRO:3050
Fire Moth (Dasher)
Mist Lynx (Koshi)
Kit Fox (Uller)
Adder (Puma)
Viper (Dragonfly)
Ice Ferret (Fenris)
Nova (Black Hawk)
Stormcrow (Ryoken)
Mad Dog (Vulture)
Hellbringer (Loki)
Summoner (Thor)
Timber Wolf (Mad Cat)
Gargoyle (Man O' War)
Warhawk (Masakari)
Executioner (Gladiator)
Dire Wolf (Daishi)
The three from the Luthien scenario Pack (Later TRO:3058)
Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu)
Huntsman (Nobori-nin)
Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born)
The three from the Black Thorns scenario pack (Later TRO:3058)
Mongrel (Grendel)
Kingfisher
Shadow Cat
And three more from the 3055 and 3058 TROs.
Naga
Battle Cobra
Crossbow
That's 21 total. Assuming the Naga is dropped (Advanced tech, off-board specialist) we need to get four boxes of stars for all of them. Then we can get to work on the second line. [/jest] EDIT - looks like we already get the supernova.
But assuming we only get three boxes, what further five would you drop?
Ebon Jaguar. Just never liked it.
Adder. Heat hot that's too expensive in BPV.
Executioner. whatever.
Timber Wolf. Cheesefest.
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Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr and Turkina were in service by Tukayyid at the latest.
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Missing the WCSB, JFSB and ICSB- except for the Naga, all of which are supposed to be at Tukayyid
Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker, Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr, Turkina- only one I can think off of the top of my head for ICSB is Kodiak, but that is not a Omni
And more from 3055 & 3058 . . . but if you look at the era website, you also have to include 3060. And we are told that TRO Clan Invasion will include some from 3067 as well since their IC build date will be before the invasion.
So . . .
Cougar
Battle Cobra (Tuk)
Grendel (Tuk)
Stooping Hawk (could be Tuk)
Crossbow (Tuk)
Nova Cat (already in we are told)
Blood Asp
'67 mostly has secondline designs that might appear in CI
Lol . . . your four? Drops a iconic design we are already told in, the Adder is only hot as a Prime and it with the Executioner have been hinted at before. Your math is also off, we get 16 Omnis in TRO 3050.
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*facepalm* Just woke up, math hard before caffeine.
The timber Wolf was a joke, but I dislike it because it always has done more to me than I've been able to do with it.
And I'd certainly include the kingfisher before the supernova
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Thanks Catalyst :thumbsup:
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I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in an outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment. We often hear about how Catalyst is a few people wearing many hats and fulfillment has a potential to add more hats than they can handle. I'd rather the line developer is busy planing future goodies for us than slapping shipping labels on boxes. :)
They got an outside company in for the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter, that's where the problems are. As of my last update, the fulfillment warehouse had messed (wrong packages, duplicate deliveries) up ~900 orders to the point that they don't have enough games left to fulfill everyone's rewards.
CGL have promised to get it sorted at no cost to backers and I trust them to do so but the delay is frustrating and it must be costing CGL a lot.
Then I amend my previous statement.
I'm kinda hoping Catalyst brings in a competent outside company to help with the kickstarter fulfillment.
I sure don't want a repeat of the failures you described.
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CGL doesn’t own their own warehouse. There will be an outside company involved in that. Just as with all their products. You don’t distribute something the size of BattleTech from your house.
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First off, thanks CGL this is awesome! :thumbsup:
I'll probably donate some money to this project purely as a fan to help out since, on the downside, I'm not sure I "need" start a 2nd star of Timberwolves. ;)
Here's hoping the rest of the star is something I only own 0-1 of, lol.
That Command Star looks nice, while I also have about a star each of D-Wolves & Summoners, the other 3 are much more rare in my collection with 2-5 total combined of all 3 chassis.
I 'think' I own at least 1 of the Storm Crow & Mist Lynx, but no more than 2 & I 'think' I might have 1 Shadow Cat but that's it.
I really need to finish that inventory at some point, doh.
The Command LANCE also looks nice, only own 2 of the Unseen Marauder & 1 Valkyrie in my collection so another won't hurt.
Archer & Stinger are more plentiful at a lance+ each but that Archer Sculpt is worth owning just for the pure awesomeness of it!
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CGL doesn’t own their own warehouse. There will be an outside company involved in that. Just as with all their products. You don’t distribute something the size of BattleTech from your house.
In that case I can’t wait for a shipping confirmation three days after delivery ;D
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I 'think' I own at least 1 of the Storm Crow & Mist Lynx, but no more than 2 & I 'think' I might have 1 Shadow Cat but that's it.
How do you have so few Ryoken? They're among the most brutal mechs in the invasion era.
That's one I'm looking forward to. I've got one kitted up in b, and a prime will be nice. hopefully they'll be able to be got as singles, as I'd want more than one, but not more daishi (2) or thor (3)
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Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
And that could actually exist in three dimensions to boot
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there will be more than one missing, as the Shadow Cat and Nova Cat aren't part of the original 16. So if we assume we'll see a total of 15 clan Mechs from these three products, at most 13 of the originals will be in.
The Dasher traditionally gets shafted, as it is a one trick pony usually only loved by a single clan in canon (Ghost bears) and very few players IRL. The Fenris, Dragonfly, and Phantom also do the same job better so there is that
Scroggins patreon had a binary lineup that also included the Grendel, so that is one more that could be replacing an original 16.
As much as i would like to see it, i dohbt we will see the cougar replace the adder, mostly cause the adder redesign is also on the Patreon
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I hope the Adder stays. It's one of the scariest mechs in the Invasion, a light mech that punches like a heavy while still keeping decent speed and (for a light) armor.
We're a bit spoiled these days, but during the initial Invasion, a light that outgunned(and often outran) even upgraded mediums(and some heavies) was probably almost as scary as the Timber Wolf.
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Yeah, I prefer to run with the B and D configs, so 10+ points out beyond what most are going to be able to hit back at . . . but if you take the A? You can toss as much LRMs as the Archer at much better speed.
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I wonder if we'll be getting what's effectively the Vulture II.
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I wonder if we'll be getting what's effectively the Vulture II.
Buy Vulture III from IWM and use it as Vulture II... I mean, it does look more or less exactly like the MW4 Vulture, ie the Mk2. (Actually planning to do that, someday.)
Figure that if we get the Vulture redone for KS, it will be update to Mk1 looks.
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The Dasher traditionally gets shafted, as it is a one trick pony usually only loved by a single clan in canon (Ghost bears) and very few players IRL. The Fenris, Dragonfly, and Phantom also do the same job better so there is that
Scroggins patreon had a binary lineup that also included the Grendel, so that is one more that could be replacing an original 16.
As much as i would like to see it, i dohbt we will see the cougar replace the adder, mostly cause the adder redesign is also on the Patreon
Mechwarrior use phantoms, bloodnamed use firemoth's 8)
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Discussed it with the missus and we'll be going n hard on this. Helps its three days after my birthday as well 😁
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Let's see, the actual KS is for Clan Invasion Box Set with at least Timber Wolf, and 4 others.
Stretch goals include "lance packs":
Clan Command Star: Dire Wolf, Shadow Cat, Mist Lynx, Stormcrow, Summoner
Clan Attack Star: Warhawk, Nova Cat, and 3 others
These add up to at least 6 of the original 16. At least 2 outside of the original 16 are included.
IS Command Lance: Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger
IS Battle Lance: Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, and 2 others
Missing Classics, after adding up the beginner box, AGOAC and the KS lance packs:
Rifleman, Wasp, Crusader.
I'd assume there will be at least third "lance pack" stretch goal for each side, possibly more.
I would expect we'll see all Classics for the Inner Sphere, along with some remodeled ones (personally wishing for Raven, Atlas, Cataphract, and JagerMech).
For the Clans, all original 16 is possible but is it probable? Personally i've huge issue with incomplete sets, and the original 16 form a set.
As for Clan 'Mechs beyond the original 16, which ones are popular? The Shadow Cat and Nova Cat are as far i can determine, probably one reason they've been chosen to the "lance packs".
Orion is a distinct possibility too ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0CgpojXgAEiGY0.jpg)
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Buy Vulture III from IWM and use it as Vulture II... I mean, it does look more or less exactly like the MW4 Vulture, ie the Mk2. (Actually planning to do that, someday.)
Figure that if we get the Vulture redone for KS, it will be update to Mk1 looks.
I was just thinking that a revised look for the Vulture might make it look more like the MW4 version.
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I'll miss all the original non-unseen art as it progresses into disuse.
Sure excited to have a proper Marauder back though.
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Orion is a distinct possibility too ...
It's already been said once not to post Patreon stuff in here, come on guys. That said, sweet Alexander's thunder jubblies that's a gorgeous piece of art.
Brick is fine...but imagine a brick with joints...
So an Eisensturm LAM?
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It's already been said once not to post Patreon stuff in here, come on guys.
That image has already been shared publicly on the 23rd Feb to Facebook on the Battletech Facebook page.
There was however another image shared yesterday on AS's Patreon account, of an IS Mech re-sculpt that looks superb...it hasn't been mentioned previously but I assume it will be making it into the Kickstarter...
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Then I stand corrected, however my commentary on the quality of the thing remains.
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I just have to ask: Did someone at CGL finally fall on his/her head? A
KS BT KS... Finally... Just hope that it's a good KS and not one of those "Buy our products here at (close to) full price, pay now and maybe get it in a a year (or five).".
Edit: Let me fix that!
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I just have to ask: Did someone at CGL finally fall on his/her head? A KS
This is the 4th Kickstarter CGL has run
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I just have to ask: Did someone at CGL finally fall on his/her head? A KS... Finally... Just hope that it's a good KS and not one of those "Buy our products here at (close to) full price, pay now and maybe get it in a a year (or five).".
They realize that Kickstarters aren't the magic bullet that a lot of people seem to think they are.
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This is the 4th Kickstarter CGL has run
Yeah, what I meant was a BT KS.
Keep in mind that this product was talked about many years ago, folks 'advised' a KS for such a project also many years ago. So this finally coming out through a KS is for many of us like hell freezing over and angels tap-dancing all over it... ;-)
Next thing CGL will announce that the KS is EU friendly, will not ship from the UK, but from mainland Europe (Brexit) and they've already kept in mind the additional cost of possible Chinese tariffs impacting US import fees...
Currently most BT products in the EU are marked with "Waiting for reprint" or "Unknown when we can order this", that of course isn't new for CGL... But combine that with the KS issues in the Sprawl Ops KS, my Batsense(tm) is tingling. Also keep in mind that the last three (of the four) KS were pretty much run by Lynnvander Studios.
What has my Batsense(tm) tingling is:
The games are literally sitting in the warehouse, however, the company we're using has made some massive logistical errors in Catalysts' other campaign Shadowrun. Which has caused some incredible delays while it gets sorted. The actual issue has cost Catalyst tens of thousands of dollars which needs to be accounted for before the next wave of game ship.
I do have hope, but before I'm backing I'll have to see how the KS is constructed, cost, EU friendly shipping, etc.
In the last couple of years I've been spoiled by CAV KS projects. I currently have so many plastic Mechs/vehicles, that the house is starting to tilt towards where they are stored (whether that is due to weight or that the amount of concentrated plastic Mech awesomeness is starting to create a local black hole I don't dare speculate on ;-). I do like the designs and the increased quality of the recent CGL plastic Mechs, but the prices are a tad high (here) to buy but a token force of those new plastic Mechs. I get the impression that this KS will not change that...
They realize that Kickstarters aren't the magic bullet that a lot of people seem to think they are.
Off course they are not, they are but a tool. They don't fix inadequacies in logistical planning, communication/marketing or financial planning. If those are your weakpoints you don't have any business going to KS...
Not individually, but a complete set of just 10 minis, for $40.
That's already a lot better pricing then I could ever have imagined, please add that to the KS!
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Off course they are not, they are but a tool. They don't fix inadequacies in logistical planning, communication/marketing or financial planning. If those are your weakpoints you don't have any business going to KS...
They also don't fix things like not having the availability of the resources need to create all the things that go into the Kickstarter product like art, layout, etc. But when you have those resources available and instead what is needed to make things happen is primarily the capital, that's when Kickstarters make sense.
Plus with some of the elements that have only recently become an option again as to what products can be included as part of the Kickstarter to generate extra interest and investment into it for a (relatively) small additional load on the factors I mentioned above it makes more sense.
People can 'advise" things all they want, but unless it makes good business sense and you can mitigate the risk, it doesn't make sense to use that tool.
This isn't to say that things can't get screwed up by things that are not in the direct control of Catalyst (miniature production getting delayed due to an error at the manufacturer or the warehouse shipping out the wrong thing, frex) . and unfortunately we seem to have several levels of Unluck where it comes to things like that happening.
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The Dire Wolf looks really good. Seen some photos on that.
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but unless it makes good business sense
Please don't say such things in reference to CGL, it's awfully dangerous when people spray hot beverages everywhere. :-p
Let me just say that too many people defend poor choices and lack of optimised business processes on things like "didn't make goof business sense" or "It wasn't the right time". That can either be contributed to not the right people on the right spots or management not making the right decisions. I see either or both at many, many small business, that generally relates to IT (that's my thing), but also translates to the rest of the business.
Let me start by saying that I've been a BT fan for over 30 years. And the Fanpro/VGL era has me spending about the least amount of money on those companies. Heck, I spend more on MechWarrior clickytech then on BT/SR products since from Fanpro/CGL. Don't get me wrong, things like the hardcover consolidated rule books are awesome, something like Alpha Strike is interesting and I bought one or more of each boxed set (if at all available). But I've spent ~€1600 on cheap second hand RP minis (not IWM, but actually blue backed RP minis) and another $5000 on CAV KS for plastic Mechs and Vehicles for BT. Only recently I saw something I really liked and is on my 'to buy' list: House Arano: The Aurigan Coalition and now this 'Clan' KS...
Now, I might be viewed as very negative, but that's due to the last 12 years 'experiencing' the CGL business for both BT and SR. Many a can of worms have been opened (which I shall not do so now) and very good ideas have been extremely slow to implement. As mentioned before, this Clan Box idea is a very old idea. The quality of the minis had finally improved significantly with the latest boxed sets (yay!) but price per mini has tripled (ouch!) and is still PVC. But good PVC is better then bad PVC... I've worked at banks and other companies that are very slow to implement change, I'm very patient in that regard, but honestly CGL is trying my patience.
That said, Shimmering Sword is an excellent choice for art director and artist. And while I still love PLOG, his designs require another step to convert to proper minis and that has always been the issue with BT. Traditional 2D art vs. the consistency of 3D art in all mediums (2D art, 3D miniatures, computer games, etc.). That fills me with hope to be honest. But having experienced all the low points of CGL as well, recent news and 5+ years experience as a KS backer (do I need to mention Robotech or the ton of projects I did manage to avoid?), does give my hope an *asterisk*. Great! But... Also a bit late, if CGL jumped on the bandwagon 4 years ago, that $5k for CAV projects might have gone to BT KS projects instead. On the other hand, even the latest CAV KS gave me 60 Mechs (15 different designs) for $100 I don't expect the BT KS to not come even close to that.
I'm personally not that interested in the actual Clan box with the rule/map contents, I've had those rules since they came out 30 years ago. I am interested in minis, LOTS and LOTS of minis. I really hope that CGL sees that many of us are interested in that primarily and if we can buy just the minis (at a reduced price) instead of multiple copies of the Clan box, that would be a win for everyone. Personally I would 1 Clan Box and then (possibly) multiple sets of just the Mechs. Many of us also love deals. 10 Mechs for $40 is great but 4x10 Mechs for $120 would be better ;-) That would probably generate a ton of cash. But on the flip side CGL isn't the owner of the BT property and would need to consider the wishes of the owner (TOPPS) and their partners (IWM).
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Absolutely valid, Cergorach.
Now folks, let’s not turn this into a debate or we’ll have to spin off another thread. Thanks.
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I saw these Mech's on Shimmy's Patreon, and they are stunning, and now I know what they are for :) Whilst they are familiar, they are a vast improvement on the older designs artwork.
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*glances at the clock* C'mooooooon...advance in time already! Curse me for being in the future compared to the US!
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BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
Sadly, we still have 30 days to go.
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Damn it...well pointed out and for me being a dumb!
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At least we can be thankful that June only has 30 days, rather than 31...
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Sadly, we still have 30 days to go.
Balls!
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that means 30 days to save your pennies
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That’s probably the hardest part; I’ve got a lot of pennies saved to throw at this, but I’ve also got a lot of demand for my hobby dollar right now. I’m also looking at the Arano book that I’ve been pining for, but now I’m leery of buying because this and 15mm historicals are threatening to bleed me dry.
EDIT: YOLO and bought House Arano; hopefully the KS goal will be lowered by $15 or so!
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If its already been discussed sorry if Im repeating.
If I gave moneys for this Kickstarter...what do I get?
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If its already been discussed sorry if Im repeating.
If I gave moneys for this Kickstarter...what do I get?
Full details will be revealed when the Kickstarter launches on July 17.
That's July 17. Not Today.
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Thanks. I never put money into a kickstarter before. I hear some bad things about them so just a want to get all my ducks in a row before laying down some cash.
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Thanks. I never put money into a kickstarter before. I hear some bad things about them so just a want to get all my ducks in a row before laying down some cash.
This is a very good breakdown of how Kickstarters work
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939
I too have seen my share of kickstarter horror stories, but I have a feeling this one will be fine, because they are not making something absurd, or trying to break the laws of thermodynamics with their product :D
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This is a very good breakdown of how Kickstarters work
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=65650.msg1511939#msg1511939
I too have seen my share of kickstarter horror stories, but I have a feeling this one will be fine, because they are not making something absurd, or trying to break the laws of thermodynamics with their product :D
For what it's worth, I've donated to something like 10-15 Kickstarters. Nearly always by established people or at least those who have shown a strong working prototype whether a game or a physical object. Two failed in fundraising and maybe a couple were weaksauce but they eventually delivered. On no project did I have expectations of having a product delivered on a timeline, *especially* for video games and board games. Production is just too hard and too unpredictable to scope that out.
Those are my expectations:
- It's money I can stand to lose.
- I have zero expectations on the project being delivered on time (they almost never are unless it's super easy like waterproof playing cards being delivered on their third KS).
- I only rarely pay attention to KS updates after awhile unless the fit takes me. I just make a note of the delivery address and that they owe me a product, put it in a OneNote list, and then ignore it.
- When I move, I look up the information in my OneNote list and find out who to contact about changing the delivery address (sometimes it's directly through KS, more often a service like Backerkit or the company directly).
- When it comes, it's usually been a long time so it feels like Christmas.
A note on fulfillment:
I don't know how CGL would run this, but do note that if a KS says they use Backerkit for fulfillment, that means opening an account with them and connecting up your KS email. If you're one of those who doesn't like opening secondary or tertiary accounts, read the campaign and pledge details carefully. And don't complain to the artist or maker about it. This is a commonly accepted practice, KS itself tries to stay out of production for legal and business reasons, and fulfillment is super hard. I've seen artists work themselves into delays, sickness, mental illness, and injury trying to do it themselves. For them these contract services are a life saver.
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that means 30 days to save your pennies
What's a penny? Have to save nickels and dimes. But I will.
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This Kickstarter will rate fairly high on personal 'chances of success' scale, even without having seen the offer yet. Why? Because they meet several of the criteria I've seen in other KS's that have ended well for me:
- They aren't doing anything new. This is work they already do, just using KS so they don't have to float as much cash during production.
- The team is already built or has already worked together. The designers, writers, managers, production companies, etc. are not coming together for the first time.
- They have previous experience pricing the sort of product/service they are Kickstarting. The chances that they have no idea what making widget X costs to make in volume are very low.
- The 'company' isn't a one-man show.
There are a few other criteria I look for that I won't be able to evaluate until it comes out. Those would generally be:
- Are there too many, or too ambitious stretch goals? These have killed the viability of a few things I've backed, cool as they were.
- Are they getting so much response/money that production plans will have to change to deliver to all backers before the sun burns out.
- How far along in development is the product when the KS starts? Using KS to provide capital to fund full-scale production is less risky, and less likely to blow past all deadlines than a product that is nothing more than concept art and design documents.
- Can the organization handle the customer service load from a KS? There is a real danger in KS-land of loosing so much time to customer service, that you can't execute on the core product.
I think the proposed project will tick at least a couple of those boxes as well, so I feel like this should be on the safer end of Kickstarters I've backed. My biggest worries are overdoing it on stretch goals, and getting slammed with customer service demands, but even with those issues, I'd still probably back.
Finally, I agree that you should never expect KS's to meet their initial timelines. I've had some that got close, but I can't recall one I participated in that actually finished the full delivery to backers in the time frame that was originally proposed. It is pretty much expected with crowdfunding. Kickstarter is still very much gambling, and I try to remind myself of that every time I spend money crowdfunding.
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sensible analysis
as long as the miniature manufacturers are lined up and fulfill the order. that's been the real sticking point for the past decade, no? of course, if that's your worry you shouldn't be in the mini business in the first place.
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Based on information from Anthony Scroggins Patreon I can say that they pretty far in development. Basically they have 3D models of Clan mechs and a lot of IS mechs. They even showed us some 3D printed minis from mentioned models. And I am pretty determined to be it my first KS that I help to fund (the timing is also right - I have birthday in July :))
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Thanks for the updates.
I know I will donate to this cause...just don't know how much I will open the wallet for.
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what has been shown are prototypes. mass production will take place in china. with delays on the production end occurring prominently at least twice in the last ten years (including the lastest box), i'd caution against assuming it's not going to strike again. it won't sink the project - but as others have said, expect delays to the proposed timeframe.
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If it arrives before Christmas 2020 I will be happy . . . wrap up a box to give the kid, expand his starter company into a reinforced company I guess.
Good points saddlerbw, you put into phrases what I was already thinking.
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Doing this through Kickstarter makes it hard for retailers to get any benefit from the initial sales wave. That’s not going to help with local visibility, but one thing at a time, I guess.
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Based on information from Anthony Scroggins Patreon I can say that they pretty far in development. Basically they have 3D models of Clan mechs and a lot of IS mechs. They even showed us some 3D printed minis from mentioned models. And I am pretty determined to be it my first KS that I help to fund (the timing is also right - I have birthday in July :))
I saw the 3D-printed prototypes for some of the classics at Origins...and wanted them badly!
Based on the teaser pictures and what I saw at Origins, there could still be a whole lot of production prep work to do. I don't expect anything will ship before 2020. Don't get me wrong, I'm confident the project will succeed. I just don't see how it gets done and into backer hands before the end of the year. I'm also OK with that timeline, so it wouldn't deter me from backing. If CGL managed to beat that, I would be very surprised, and very impressed.
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I suppose I'll have to wait and see what the pledge structure will look like, but I want to toss this out there for consideration in preparing it.
I plan to support this in hopes that it promotes further use of kickstarter. But the thing is, I don't want inner sphere mechs. at all. I realize that the IS Command Lance is a stretch goal, but I hope there'll be an option to avoid receiving it, maybe get some duplicate clan mechs in it's place.
Otherwise, if there's no way to avoid it, I guess I'll have to find somebody else willing to trade clantech for those figures.
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Otherwise, if there's no way to avoid it, I guess I'll have to find somebody else willing to trade clantech for those figures.
Trust me, that won't be hard. Worst case, be a dirty scalper on ebay :D
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I doubt they'll set it up in such a way where you have to buy Inner Sphere mechs in order to buy clan mechs. It's more likely we'll see something like the box set is $X but if they hit the first stretch goal you'll also get an IS lance with for your $X. Maybe it's not the clan mechs you wanted, but you're not paying any more than you were before. Sell them for a dollar and you'll still be making a profit.
Honestly, I'm expecting most of the stretch goals to be add-ons(such as the lance packs) rather than freebies for the core pledge while anything improving the core pledge being just that, improvements. Things like hard board instead of paper maps or maybe just more maps.
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agreed, i suspect the stretch goal system will be "unlocks item you can buy" first and won't hit 'gets item free' until very high levels.
sadly i suspect that you won't have the option to buy specific mechs from the sets.
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The way the announcement was worded, it sounded as if you'd be unlocking varying amounts of boxes as reward for different pledge levels, but you'd be able to select which boxes you'd be receiving based on the stretch goals that were accomplished.
In other words, you'd be pledging for 1, 2, or 15 boxes, and once the kickstarter was over and the number of stretch goals met was finalized, you'd get to choose which boxes you wanted out of those.
I could be wrong, but that was the way I interpreted it.
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I feel like the best kickstarters I’ve seen run have maybe a handful of pledge tiers. For a company of CGL’s size, I would say that would be the way to go, then handle add one in the pledge manager.
OH, and CHARGE SHIPPING AFTER CGL! I’ve seen too many Kickstarters go flat side-ways because shipping was under estimated because they wanted to give people a flat shipping fee.
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A handful of pledge tiers and not crazy stretch goals. We don’t need 1094 layers of options like the bones campaigns straight away
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A handful of pledge tiers and not crazy stretch goals. We don’t need 1094 layers of options like the bones campaigns straight away
For example: a song of ice and fire had 1 pledge level. Everyone got the same exclusives plus stretches, with options to buy additional unlocked add ons.
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Any details on this bad boy??
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You have all the details everybody else does. In all likelihood there will be no more details until the kickstarter actively goes live.
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Drats!
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This is going to be a long month.
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In other words, you'd be pledging for 1, 2, or 15 boxes, and once the kickstarter was over and the number of stretch goals met was finalized, you'd get to choose which boxes you wanted out of those.
I could be wrong, but that was the way I interpreted it.
Man, I hope this is how it works. That would be sweet.
Trust me, that won't be hard. Worst case, be a dirty scalper on ebay :D
Far more merchant caste than I want to delve into.
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If its already been discussed sorry if Im repeating.
If I gave moneys for this Kickstarter...what do I get?
Exactly what you paid for. KickStarters have no proper fixed system for how much you donate, but they do have reward tiers, for this project presumably a copy of the boxed set will be one of them, at MSRP, but you can chose to pay then that because of add-ons.
I doubt they'll set it up in such a way where you have to buy Inner Sphere mechs in order to buy clan mechs. It's more likely we'll see something like the box set is $X but if they hit the first stretch goal you'll also get an IS lance with for your $X. Maybe it's not the clan mechs you wanted, but you're not paying any more than you were before. Sell them for a dollar and you'll still be making a profit.
Honestly, I'm expecting most of the stretch goals to be add-ons(such as the lance packs) rather than freebies for the core pledge while anything improving the core pledge being just that, improvements. Things like hard board instead of paper maps or maybe just more maps.
First HELL NO, it is extremely unlikely that CGL will set it up this way. While stretch goals may expand the base product due to the way things work in BT this is far more likely to be custom dice (With the Clan logo), maybe two pairs instead of one, because I can't see them putting two sets of 'Mechs in the box. Now if an IS Lance Box is a stretch goal that's unlocked it will likely be an add-on for $Y*. Furthermore this is a CLAN Box Set so if anything you'd have to buy a unit of Clan 'Mechs to get IS ones.
* Technically things could be set up so that you could only pay $Y for your IS 'Mechs, but due to the way shipping works this is likely to be unattractive from both ends, so it's possible that spending $X to get the box set is a minimum for any physical goods.
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They have said before, they are not in the mini business- that license is with IWM. They are able to do box sets b/c that is a different kettle. You want singletons? You will have to wait until they are released from IWM.
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And it's not like "Choice Of Miniatures Box Set" can't be an option; this lets players get what they want. Again, wait until next month and we'll see what we see.
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No details on shipping or friendly shipping options so far. We'll know in 30 days though.
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First off, I'm beyond excited for this. I've been playing Battletech since 1988, and the models and art they're based on look incredible. You've got my money.
Secondly, please don't screw this up. Charge shipping after the campaign ends. Be communicative and transparent throughout this process. Kickstarter Campaigns have a lot of moving parts, therefore lots of failure points. Every add on that isn't the core project is an additional failure point, so consider that stuff carefully.
Best of luck, CGL! Looking forward to having cool new mechs to paint sometime in 2021! (No pressure!)
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Just tucked $200 under the mattress. I’ll see what else I can add to the stockpiles over the next month. Time to return the empty bottles next
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I know what I want to do . . . and I am looking for pennies in parking lots to add to the pile. Found 3 today, if I can keep them from ending up in my old piggy bank I gave the kid . . .
. . . hm, it is MY piggy bank . . . besides, the toddler will not miss the coins- he already is grabbing my minis que the pew pew & bangbang sounds.
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Been a very long time since I posted here.
Anyway, yes, the Kickstarter. I think it's a great idea, just add +1 year to whatever they say the delivery time is as that's how Kickstarters always work.
I'll see how modest I can be with my spending, but if I see a plastic Turkina or Night Gyr show up I may not be able to control myself. :D
BYE
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Been a very long time since I posted here.
Anyway, yes, the Kickstarter. I think it's a great idea, just add +1 year to whatever they say the delivery time is as that's how Kickstarters always work.
Now, now, let's not make this a rule. In fact, I just received an email for the Ogre kickstarter(Steve Jackson games) that they received everything a week sooner! And all Kickstarter from Sin Nominee(rpg books) were all delivered right on time. So, they DO exist :)
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I think the key will be how much are we actually funding; not the art/CAD work, based on Anthony Scroggins Patreon (proud patron here, woo!) that is mostly in the can. If we’re funding the production of molds+distribution, then it may not take that long or it may have a lower funding goal.
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i think in this particular case, the bigger bottleneck on art is time rather than money (though the money is important too - it freed up the time in the first place). the early work has allowed cgl to go into the kickstarter with a full set of renders and prototypes rather than posting a few concept sketches and getting people to buy into an idea. i think that's where people get into trouble with KS is that they don't have a complete vision of what they're going to do and have to bang it out once the money has been collected, which leads to a whole host of problems.
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i think in this particular case, the bigger bottleneck on art is time rather than money (though the money is important too - it freed up the time in the first place). the early work has allowed cgl to go into the kickstarter with a full set of renders and prototypes rather than posting a few concept sketches and getting people to buy into an idea. i think that's where people get into trouble with KS is that they don't have a complete vision of what they're going to do and have to bang it out once the money has been collected, which leads to a whole host of problems.
‘Failure to plan is planning for failure’. Truth!
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Can not agree more. And a lot of the preliminary works were in development I would say months before MechCon last Year (First weekend of December/2018) as I saw them when Shimmering Sword was talking with Brent and I. I had been sworn to secrecy about them, and now that the 'cat's out of the bag' so to speak, all I can think is if this goes well, there are a lot of other nuggets that CGL could do in the future.
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Can not agree more. And a lot of the preliminary works were in development I would say months before MechCon last Year (First weekend of December/2018) as I saw them when Shimmering Sword was talking with Brent and I. I had been sworn to secrecy about them, and now that the 'cat's out of the bag' so to speak, all I can think is if this goes well, there are a lot of other nuggets that CGL could do in the future.
And the renders for the IS stuff have been running around well before that in some cases; they were clearly just waiting for the best vehicle to get them moving forward.
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And the renders for the IS stuff have been running around well before that in some cases; they were clearly just waiting for the best vehicle to get them moving forward.
True, so very true. I know I saw the Shadow Cat 3-d Render/image at mechCon, so, yes, these were in work for quite a while. Of course, you I believe have an even bigger inside scoop over me due to you doing a Lot of the 3D printing.
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I'm excited for this. I'll definitely be down for a clan invasion set for my shelves, but mostly interested in the nuseen lance packs! Hopefully I can get a few of each of those beautiful lance packs. Strangely excited for the Stinger/Wasp/Phoenix Hawk!
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True, so very true. I know I saw the Shadow Cat 3-d Render/image at mechCon, so, yes, these were in work for quite a while. Of course, you I believe have an even bigger inside scoop over me due to you doing a Lot of the 3D printing.
That's someone else here, not me.
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That's someone else here, not me.
Oh, I thought it was you who helped out with the 3D printing for gen Con a few years back...My apologies then!
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Oh, I thought it was you who helped out with the 3D printing for gen Con a few years back...My apologies then!
Mostly it's Greatsarcasmo who is the impresario of 3D printing services and artistry.
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I've backed numerous KS campaigns over the past five years or so, and I can say without any hesitation that none of them have come close to my level of excitement for this one. The sculpts themselves are beautiful, and will be great to expand some of my Succession Wars/Clan Invasion era units (stuff I'm teaching my kid with) without worrying so much about shattered metal. I (think?) read that new map(s) will be included as well? And if so, assuming they're anywhere near as glorious as the Grasslands pack, I might actually be looking forward to that part the most.
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I (think?) read that new map(s) will be included as well? And if so, assuming they're anywhere near as glorious as the Grasslands pack, I might actually be looking forward to that part the most.
The Clan Box is stated to have brand-new maps, rather than a new map pack being part of the Kickstarter.
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Oh, I thought it was you who helped out with the 3D printing for gen Con a few years back...My apologies then!
Mostly it's Greatsarcasmo who is the impresario of 3D printing services and artistry.
Yup, that. All the credit goes to GS for his amazing work at rendering the 3-d prints.
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Shimmeringsword posted some new concept art for clans on his patreon. Not going to share it here, it’s $2 a month, pay the man and soak in the glorious sights!
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Yup, that. All the credit goes to GS for his amazing work at rendering the 3-d prints.
I stand Corrected - Certainly want the credit to go where it is deserved!
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So what if we get plastic elementals? That would be a neat stretch goal
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Clan 'Mechs ain't worth it without Elementals!
OK, i'm not entirely serious but all my (yet unfulfilled) plans to get Clan minis involve getting Clan battle armor too.
If the Clans get Elementals, i wonder if the IS might get IS Standard as counterpart? While they aren't as integral to IS combat doctrine as Elementals are to the Clans, gameplay-wise having both is nice symmetry.
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Every clan Omni pilot needs a little modular armor!
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Every clan Omni pilot needs a little modular ablative armor!
fixed that for you ;D
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Plastic Elementals as well as some IS Standard BA, all sculpted to scale, would be fantastic. I guess I'd like to see at least 3 poses for each...but you could do a small amount of reposing with some hot water, at least their arms, and to a lesser degree their legs.
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Well I finally got the time to post on this Kickstarter. I will be there to put money on this. I have been doing KS since Robotech Tactic Rpg debacle . By the way that KS is the only one I got burn on , I grant you I did get half my stuff but still . The only advice I'll give is do your research and be patience.
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fixed that for you ;D
Every clan Omni pilot needs a little modular angry ablative armor!
Fixed it again for you :p
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Hey CGL! Give this a listen before the Kickstarter launches. Somebody went out of their way to tell me that charging shipping after the fact was a terrible idea and detrimental to getting international backers. My counter argument is that I'd rather CGL survived a successful campaign.
http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/ (http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/)
This is a great podcast about the horror of shipping.
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Hey CGL! Give this a listen before the Kickstarter launches. Somebody went out of their way to tell me that charging shipping after the fact was a terrible idea and detrimental to getting international backers. My counter argument is that I'd rather CGL survived a successful campaign.
http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/ (http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/)
This is a great podcast about the horror of shipping.
Aye i'm ordering a HUGE collectors edition statue and its arriving next year, but he's a BIG boy and I dread to think what the import fee will be for it.
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Hey CGL! Give this a listen before the Kickstarter launches. Somebody went out of their way to tell me that charging shipping after the fact was a terrible idea and detrimental to getting international backers. My counter argument is that I'd rather CGL survived a successful campaign.
http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/ (http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/)
This is a great podcast about the horror of shipping.
Thanks Charbok. Shipping will be charged after the Kickstarter. .
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Elementals are one of the things that aren’t actually all that expensive too get from IWM. They are $4.40 for 5 at the moment. I never actually stick five on a single base, so for me 5 elementals is enough for 2 or 3 game pieces.
I can’t say with 100% certainty, but I don’t think pre-based plastic elementals would cost that much less than IWMs. The only real advantage would that they are already based, and I’m not sure that is enough of a difference to matter. Elementals are an interesting part of clan warfare, but I’m not sure they need to be made in plastic.
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EDIT Disregard
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Elementals are one of the things that aren’t actually all that expensive too get from IWM. They are $4.40 for 5 at the moment. I never actually stick five on a single base, so for me 5 elementals is enough for 2 or 3 game pieces.
I can’t say with 100% certainty, but I don’t think pre-based plastic elementals would cost that much less than IWMs. The only real advantage would that they are already based, and I’m not sure that is enough of a difference to matter. Elementals are an interesting part of clan warfare, but I’m not sure they need to be made in plastic.
The main advantage of plastic Elementals is that they are plastic, and are far more robust than metal when gaming with them and transporting them...less paint chipping and rubbing off. Plastic are also far easier to work with when modding the miniatures, for instance, adding Elementals to the outside of a Mech to create a cool looking miniature.
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Another thought occurred to me just now in regards to this Kickstarter...I wonder if one of the stretch goals could go towards developing CBT Record Sheet software, perhaps to be hosted on the MUL website...that'd be cool! Or perhaps even a separate Kickstarter for it.
I'm happy with the functionality of the record sheets, but it would be nice to see them get a modern aesthetic.
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Kickstarter sadly won't solve the problem of Microsoft holding electronic rights to Battletech.
Unless there's a kickstarter to buy a license. ;D
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Was it an internal app they were asking to be developed a while back?
MML is / has been the officialish enough program for a bit now. It would be nice to have a suite of apps for the people but decisions made at the turn of the century make that a very expensive proposition at best
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I wouldn’t mind an app where I could track heat/damage etc.
Tap which weapons you want to fire, enter GATOR info, and bam gives you a too hit, and when hits are taken, you tap the area, then enter the points of damage
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I wouldn’t mind an app where I could track heat/damage etc.
Tap which weapons you want to fire, enter GATOR info, and bam gives you a too hit, and when hits are taken, you tap the area, then enter the points of damage
Such apps exist, you just have to find them. My wife used them once or twice when playing.
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Another thought occurred to me just now in regards to this Kickstarter...I wonder if one of the stretch goals could go towards developing CBT Record Sheet software, perhaps to be hosted on the MUL website...that'd be cool! Or perhaps even a separate Kickstarter for it.
I'm happy with the functionality of the record sheets, but it would be nice to see them get a modern aesthetic.
Was it an internal app they were asking to be developed a while back?
MML is / has been the officialish enough program for a bit now. It would be nice to have a suite of apps for the people but decisions made at the turn of the century make that a very expensive proposition at best
No, the intent was for it to be a replacement for Heavy Metal. The solicitation still stands (down in Computer Games). We had one user start a program, made it to pre-Alpha and then he disappeared.
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Just when I think about the money I'll save not buying Pathfinder 2e, this happens.
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I've got money set aside for this but whether or not CGL gets to see it is going to depend on whether or not they get the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops Kickstarter fulfillment fixed. At this point CGL are going to have to work hard to convince me that I can trust them with more of my money, and that makes me sad because I really *want* this to succeed.
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CGL had vanishingly little to do with the Sprawl Ops fulfillment debacle.
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CGL had vanishingly little to do with the Sprawl Ops fulfillment debacle.
I know it was the warehouse company that created the big screw up and not CGL.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but the common thread in recent Sprawl Ops updates seems to have been "we're waiting for CGL to get back to us."
I suppose this is just another effect of Con season keeping everyone too busy :-\
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I've got money set aside for this but whether or not CGL gets to see it is going to depend on whether or not they get the problems with the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops Kickstarter fulfillment fixed. At this point CGL are going to have to work hard to convince me that I can trust them with more of my money, and that makes me sad because I really *want* this to succeed.
Completely understandable. They are working on resolving the issue, and absolutely looking into preventing such issues on the upcoming Kickstarter. Believe me, we understand this is a concern.
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will they release a sneak peak of the Kickstarter page
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I've only been a part of a few kickstarters. Is that ever done?
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I've only been a part of a few kickstarters. Is that ever done?
Seen it a couple times. as near as I can tell, the tool is so people (Like cubby) can vet the proposed page, but sometimes the devs share it more widely.
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Maybe I've missed it, but what are the chances of the Box Set here containing a Quick Start for Alpha Strike? Still think that should have been in AGoAC but the CIBS would be better than nothing.
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Noting mentioned to my knowledge. Did ASCE get a shoutout in the boxes alongside other product ads? I don’t remember
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I don't remember seeing anything about Alpha Strike.
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I don't remember seeing anything about Alpha Strike.
Besides the full color Alpha Strike cards, right? ;)
ASCE was fully a year from release when the new box sets arrived at origins last year, and they were content compete before that. I'm not surprised it wasn't mentioned.
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Besides the full color Alpha Strike cards, right? ;)
I knew I had a vague recollection of something AS related
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Is it July 17th yet?
I want to throw money at your kickstarter!
How about now??
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/81/ad/2481ad503fea1f8d0e0b7729b7423406.jpg)
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Is it July 17th yet?
I want to throw money at your kickstarter!
How about now??
:D :D :D :D I am so with you on this
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:D 12 DAYS to go until it starts. The count down has begun.
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I imagine for many people on this forum the countdown started when the news dropped :) I am excited though; I am very interested to see what Catalyst does for the different tiers and what their goals will be for the full rewards.
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I'm trying to get my finances in order so I can afford both the GoAC box my FLGS is still waiting for (the local distributor is a dead head) and support the Kickstarter after taking a hit in my personal life. I have allot of stuff I need to priorities first but I should be able to support one way or another as long as the pledge goals are reasonable :)
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I imagine for many people on this forum the countdown started when the news dropped :) I am excited though; I am very interested to see what Catalyst does for the different tiers and what their goals will be for the full rewards.
countdowns don't start for me until 10 because i only have that many fingers
i'm sure the KS will have a wide variety of tiers and stretch goals as well as some in reserve in the event things absolutely blow up
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countdowns don't start for me until 10 because i only have that many fingers
i'm sure the KS will have a wide variety of tiers and stretch goals as well as some in reserve in the event things absolutely blow up
I would also hope such tiers are realistic in scope and ambition...we don't need another RRT
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So pumped for this Kickstarter...
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Nevermind, it's not constructive. I am very hyped for this Kickstarter and will back the living jesus out of it. The only thing I'll say is that I hope that CGL learns a whole lot from the disaster that is the Sprawl Ops Boardgame fulfillment with hundreds of EU backers left in the cold without any of the rewards that they paid and backed for.
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Will there also be other payment options
Were you thinking arm & leg or perhaps firstborn?
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For anyone leery of backing a kickstarter, don't feel that you'll have to back this one to get the new goodies. Unless I misunderstood, the point of this is to bring a new product to market. You'll have to wait a little longer, but you'll have your chance to get it.
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For anyone leery of backing a kickstarter, don't feel that you'll have to back this one to get the new goodies. Unless I misunderstood, the point of this is to bring a new product to market. You'll have to wait a little longer, but you'll have your chance to get it.
Yup.
I'd imagine the idea is that the kickstarter products are priced like the box set, that is profitable, it is just a matter of gauging interest and initiating the production.
One time projects as kickstarters seem inefficient.
Personally i'll have to pass this one, bad timing (unless this is gonna be really cheap, which i doubt) but probably can buy stuff once they're on stores. Plus i've yet to get the new box sets anyhow.
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Yup.
I'd imagine the idea is that the kickstarter products are priced like the box set, that is profitable, it is just a matter of gauging interest and initiating the production.
One time projects as kickstarters seem inefficient.
Personally i'll have to pass this one, bad timing (unless this is gonna be really cheap, which i doubt) but probably can buy stuff once they're on stores. Plus i've yet to get the new box sets anyhow.
Pledge for a buck, put yourself on CGL's email updates newsletter (the real lasting benefit of a Kickstarter, if you ask me).
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Bingo. And while I have no idea if CGL will do this, but in some kickstarters, the pledge manager will stay open for quite some time after the kickstarter ends and you can keep adding during that time. So if you can't get in for more then a dollar or two, but you think you might be able to add more in the next few months, it might still be worth your time.
Again, before anyone starts building any actual expectations, I'll say it again: I have no idea if CGL will do it this way.
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For anyone leery of backing a kickstarter, don't feel that you'll have to back this one to get the new goodies. Unless I misunderstood, the point of this is to bring a new product to market. You'll have to wait a little longer, but you'll have your chance to get it.
You might also get the boxset for cheaper if you back, the DFRPG KickStarter SJ Games did a few years back had the physical product at $50, yet the price to buy it now is $75
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1/3 to 1/6 discount seems typical of what I've seen. We take the risk of funding their R&D, they cut us a break on the price of the final product. That seems to be the unspoken contract.
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Given how Catalyst's current KS for Shadowrun (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame) is going, I advise everyone to be vary wary of backing this. This has been the shadiest KS I've ever backed, and I say that having backed Myth and MERCS Recon. The entire thing has been horribly managed on Catalyst's end of things - ineptly might be a better word. What is of the most concern to backers right now is a series of errors between Catalyst and their warehouse that caused hundreds of backers to get duplicate copies of the game, leaving Catalyst unable to fulfill ~900 EU pledges, but IMHO that's just the tip of the iceberg.
The SR KS consisted of a core game box for $50 and two expansions for $25 apiece. You could then Add-On 2 alternate boards for $10 apiece and an extra set of dice (its a dice-rolling game) for $25. I pledged $120 to get the game, both expansions, and both alt boards.
During production it was nonchalantly mentioned in a KS Update video (not the text of the Update that everyone reads) that Catalyst was going to give us a "Legendary box" which was a custom larger box that could hold everything - the core game, the expansions, the alternate boards, and all of the Stretch Goals (which included a 3rd alternate board) - because it all couldn't fit in the retail box. This sounded great. I mean a big cool box for free? Who doesn't like that?
What really happened was that instead of shipping all of the components to the US individually and having each backer's order collated at their US warehouse, Catalyst had the orders collated in China. And somewhere during that process, I'm guessing due to minimum print runs and the cost of collating each individual order, they realized that it was just cheaper to just give everything to everyone, whether they paid for it or not. So they made a box big enough to fit all 4 boards and the insert from the retail box and dropped them in along with the components from the Co-op Expansion which was a KS-exclusive (and thus had no box of its own). The other expansion did get its own box b/c it will be available at retail.
In case you didn't catch it, the "Legendary" box replaced the retail box for backers. And the kicker is that it's still not big enough to hold everything from the KS. I have to keep 5-6 Player expansion cards in their retail box and I haven't sleeved any of my cards.
So in the end, people who only backed $50 for the base game, or $75 for the game + 1 expansion, got everything that I paid $120 for. Now this isn't the first time that I've seen something like this happen, but it's the first time I've seen it happen with up to $70 worth of product. And it is the first time that I've ever seen a KS be so duplicitous about it.
And the backers who forked out money for extra dice haven't gotten any because for some reason Catalyst hasn't had them made yet and hasn't said why not.
And here's another kicker for all of you who are thinking that backing the KS will save you money over buying at retail - we paid more. The core game is retailing for exactly what we paid for it ($50) but they set the MSRP of the 5-6 Player expansion at $5 less than what they charged backers for it. And we had to pay an extra $26 for shipping.
There were several other questionable things too, but these were the main ones for me. They're already talking about KSing another Shadowrun board game, but there's no way in hell I'll be backing it. If you want to learn more, I'd suggest following the link at the top of my post and checking the comments and updates.
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One last quick thing - one thing that in retrospect was perhaps the shadiest thing going on, was who was running the KickStarter. If the BT campaign is run by some 3rd party who says that they're there to ensure none of Catalyst's past KS-problems happen again, don't believe them. This is exactly what was said at the beginning of the Sprawl Ops campaign and all that 3rd party (Lynnvander Games) did was run the KS page and then act as PR for Catalyst. They had no direct contact with manufacturing, the shipping boat, or the distributors in/outside of the US. They did a great job of posting KS Updates every Monday, but as things got worse and worse many of them included obvious CYA's like "I was told..." and "I haven't heard back from Catalyst yet..."
Worse was when you could tell that they had no real info from Catalyst but had to try and act like they knew what was going on. Like during the 6+ weeks between when the games arrived at the US distribution center (Apr 5th) and when people finally started receiving their pledges (~May 22). 7 Updates all with some flavor of "shipping is 'in progress'", with it all very obvious that the poor guy posting the updates had no real idea what was going on. Ditto for them saying in May that "EU, CA and AU are off to their locations for unpacking and outbound shipping" then back-tracking a week later b/c it hadn't actually happened and possibly still hasn't happened as of the latest update*. Or saying that 100 orders were sent to the wrong addresses b/c the distributor used the wrong spreadsheet, then later on saying (almost accidentally it seemed) that it was Catalyst's fault.
*On Monday the Update said that Canadian pledges had been shipped to their distribution centers, but the next sentence said "I haven't received notification yet...." so that's not confirmed. The rest of world's pledges are still sitting in Atlanta, where they've been for 3 months now.
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Arg... guess you can't edit your own posts?
Just to clarify, I think that Lynnvander has been great thru this whole thing. But they put themselves between a rock and a hard place by running this KS.
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Arg... guess you can't edit your own posts?
You certainly can. See the attached screenshot.
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What really happened...I'm guessing
You cannot legitimately start a paragraph claiming supreme knowledge and then, in the next sentence, follow it up with wild guesses. Thank you for playing.
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You certainly can. See the attached screenshot.
You're right. I looked right at it and overlooked it for b/c I was looking for "Edit".
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countdowns don't start for me until 10 because i only have that many fingers
i'm sure the KS will have a wide variety of tiers and stretch goals as well as some in reserve in the event things absolutely blow up
Just use your mech collection for counts. It's what I use for numbers over twenty.
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based on past experience with CGL, i think a lot of us are at least a little nervous. you can detect some of the angst in the thread with people (myself included) hoping they don't get too wild with stretch goals and other addons.
hopefully they've identified what went wrong and have an action plan to avoid another catastrophe like the mailing debacle. besides the primary embarrassment of such a customer service disaster, it had to have wiped out much of any potential profit margin.
but honestly they had most of us at "classics lance packs"
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To make this Kick Starter work the way I think it will, we need to let people that don't view the forums or the battletech facebook page know! Shout it out from the roof tops, tell your friends and tell it to anyone you can think of! No I am not an employee just a fan that wants to see these mechs in plastic! :D :D :D
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Just use your mech collection for counts. It's what I use for numbers over twenty.
*glances nervously at the four double rifle gun cases full of minis*
i uh... am very bad with counting and money
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While I do not remember, I think it was announced before/during Origins about it and I think it will still be open for pledges during GenCon? I have seen it posted in BT FB fan pages . . . besides posting in MWO & HBS forums (if allowed) I am not sure where else you can spread the word except FLGS. Since I have not logged in to MWO forums for years (meh) or HBS (never bothered) I cannot say if someone has already done that but after that . . . where else do you go?
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https://youtu.be/aAHUNgoJQPw
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https://youtu.be/aAHUNgoJQPw
One of the best movies ever made and one HECK of a soundtrack!
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Yeah so I see that Chrome posted about what I had originally posted. I've backed multiple Kickstarters and the Shadowrun Sprawl Ops is by far the most mismanaged one in terms of execution.
After backing on a high level, I'm sitting here with nothing at all except some e-mail from a guy in Lithuania who has trouble communicating with CGL in the US that tells me that I'll get my rewards at some point in the future. And that's after around 12 previous e-mails that all read like he has no idea what's going on and the English language is unclear and a bit broken.
Like, there is literally nothing wrong with Kickstarter at all and I highly recommend using it to back the projects you love (such as this Clan Invasion thing), but this Sprawl Ops thing. Man, I tell you, it has been pretty bad.
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While I do not remember, I think it was announced before/during Origins about it and I think it will still be open for pledges during GenCon? I have seen it posted in BT FB fan pages . . . besides posting in MWO & HBS forums (if allowed) I am not sure where else you can spread the word except FLGS. Since I have not logged in to MWO forums for years (meh) or HBS (never bothered) I cannot say if someone has already done that but after that . . . where else do you go?
Most Kickstarters run for a month or so, so this one is almost certain to be open through GenCon and beyond.
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kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less. a month will go about two weeks past gencon so that checks out
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You cannot legitimately start a paragraph claiming supreme knowledge and then, in the next sentence, follow it up with wild guesses. Thank you for playing.
You are right. I should have never said "I'm guessing" since that's the exact reason that CGL provided (emphasis mine):
There were SO many minor add-ons, stretch goals and added components it was virtually a massive time and cash sink to try and pick and pack these products into the appropriate legendary boxes. Since they arrived from China sealed. This caused a LOT of confusion and time lost in the warehouses - so Catalyst made another money losing decision to clean up the air... which was to add the additional components to all the Legendary Boxes.
"I'm guessing" was said sarcastically because I don't believe the explanation Catalyst provided. I did a bad job of expressing that.
I don't believe that an established company could plan out a KickStarter with multiple pledge levels and Add-Ons and then get blind-sided by the packaging costs. Especially when they've gone so far as to hire an experienced 3rd party to help them plan for those things. Also, there weren't "SO many minor add-ons, stretch goals, and added components" when this box was packed in China. There were only 2 Add-Ons (the alt boards) and 2 components (the expansions) and they didn't even include one of the expansions in the box like they said they did. Stretch goals were the same for everyone, so it had zero impact - it was the same for every box.
I believe that they got an estimate for each packaging option and it was cheaper to have every box packed the same (thus giving away free copies of the boards and expansions) than it was to pay to have each box packed correctly.
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I do have to admit that even though I plan to back. It is going to be tough to go all in. Given they will not have fixed the Shadowrun kickstarter by the time this one starts. Makes me ask questions
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For those who aren't Sprawl Ops backers, here's a link to the latest update on that campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2554040 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2554040)
I'm still uneasy about how long it is taking to sort things out but I'm still hoping I'll be comfortable backing the BT Kickstarter before it ends.
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Regarding the Sprawl Ops campaign: So apparently EU backers won't be getting their rewards anytime soon and will have to wait for CGL to do another print run. Which is estimated to take 4 more months. This puts the delivery of the boardgame for EU backers a whole year behind the original October 2018 delivery promise.
I think CGL needs to rethink the way they handle shipping rewards with this Clan Invasion thing. Other Kickstarters don't do the "delivery had to go from China to US and then US to Europe" that you're doing with Sprawl Ops. Every Kickstarter that I've backed that was not already prepacked in china and delivered directly to the fulfillment hubs resulted in problems.
Planning a delivery that will have to go through customs at least twice doesn't sound very smart to me.
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I was going to back this KS for sure, I was going to spend 200 or 300€, but after reading the problems with the Shadow Run KS and with the delays of the new boxes still on my mind, I am rethinking if I have to participate in it or better wait until the official release...
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I'm just going to point out that delivery dates for Kickstarter are never guaranteed.
I don't know how preventable the issue with Shadowrun's Kickstarter were, but that level of delay isn't at all unusual.
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In fairness to our European brethren, the sprawl ops shipping debacle is not project delay business as usual if the shipping situation is as they describe. We’d all be furious
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In fairness to our European brethren, the sprawl ops shipping debacle is not project delay business as usual if the shipping situation is as they describe. We’d all be furious
So far just about very KS I have ever backed has delivered 6-12 months late, but so far they all have delivered eventually.
Here's a link to the KS update that explains how the Sprawl Ops shipping mess happened:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2532493 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/shadowrun-sprawl-ops-boardgame/posts/2532493)
As one of those EU backers I'm not happy and as soon as the BT KS goes live I'm going to be asking if CGL will be using the same warehouse/shipping company as they did for Sprawl Ops and what they'll be doing to avoid a repeat. I'm still willing to give CGL a chance to sort this out but I can't deny that I'm *really* hesitant about backing another KS without some serious reassurances. I still want to be able to back the BT KS though.
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As one of those EU backers I'm not happy and as soon as the BT KS goes live I'm going to be asking if CGL will be using the same warehouse/shipping company as they did for Sprawl Ops and what they'll be doing to avoid a repeat. I'm still willing to give CGL a chance to sort this out but I can't deny that I'm *really* hesitant about backing another KS without some serious reassurances. I still want to be able to back the BT KS though.
PSI, who messed up the shipments are CGL's regular distributor, they've been working together for years.
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I'm just going to point out that delivery dates for Kickstarter are never guaranteed.
I don't know how preventable the issue with Shadowrun's Kickstarter were, but that level of delay isn't at all unusual.
This is totally true, there's no problem at all if a project is delayed. That I have no qualms with whatsoever, and the hard-working people should take their time without a doubt.
I was mostly referring to the fact that the shipping was botched and the communication was lacking and unclear, with CGL especially being bad with responding to e-mails (or at least confirming that they've received a request). I'm sad for the team and the fact that they had to do another print to make it up to EU backers like myself, it just sounds like such a mess with the way the rewards were shipped.
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PSI, who messed up the shipments are CGL's regular distributor, they've been working together for years.
Considering my previous experience of ordering physical products from the old BattleShop that does not fill me with confidence, although I think those were a different sort of problem.
I guess I just have to try & think positive and hope that as long term business partners both sides have a strong incentive to fix the last ******-up and come up with plans to prevent any future repeats
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I'm in the same boat as you in terms of EU person who's waiting for their Sprawl Ops stuff (and other bits I paid for in the Backerkit), and it's frustrating. But when I say that PSI are CGL's distributor, that's for everything. The stuff they ship out to Asmodee and whoever else is supplying game shops these days? PSI. Presumably retail sales via the Battleshop go through PSI as well, but I can't say for sure. It could be that this is a one-time mess up, it could be that they're not great but this goes above and beyond.
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Guys, i can understand the super heavy problems with the past CGL Kickstarter. I'm posed to try to do this kickstart. Its good to get a heads up on past problems for these sort things.
I've never heard of CGL doing this to hurt people or try it as money grab. I hate to see this kickstart start negatively before its even started.
Maybe complaints about CGL related Kickstarts should be in it's own thread verses killing this kickstart before it gets started.
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Guys, i can understand the super heavy problems with the past CGL Kickstarter. I'm posed to try to do this kickstart. Its get heads up on past problems for these sort things.
I've never heard of CGL doing this to hurt people or try it as money grab. I hate to see this kickstart start negatively before its even started.
Maybe complaints about CGL related Kickstarts should be in it's own thread verses killing this kickstart before it gets started.
I'm not worried about the kickstarter, but based on some other things that have happened in the past I am really curious about who will have access to the money collected by the ks.
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As with all kickstarters, the project organizer has to get into one of those money booth wins tunnels and grab as much as they before time runs out. The remainder is the Kickstarter fee
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I think CGL needs to rethink the way they handle shipping rewards with this Clan Invasion thing. Other Kickstarters don't do the "delivery had to go from China to US and then US to Europe" that you're doing with Sprawl Ops. Every Kickstarter that I've backed that was not already prepacked in china and delivered directly to the fulfillment hubs resulted in problems.
Planning a delivery that will have to go through customs at least twice doesn't sound very smart to me.
I'll admit that living in the US that I never paid much attention to how they originally planned to handle rest-of-the-world delivery, but while looking thru the Updates for something on Monday I noticed that at one point they said that packages were going straight from China to the RoW distribution hubs.
From Update #51 with the original timeline:
November 16 - Games packaged and split shipped to boats (US / CA / EU). On the boat for 3-6 weeks (maybe more for EU).
So at this point they were planning on having 3 boats out of China? Was that always the way it was always intended and they made a change, or did Thomas make a mistake when he said that? Because every post after this update only mentions a single boat.
Regardless, I've never understood why all of those CA/EU/AU pledges have just been sitting in Atlanta all this time. They should have been split off and sent out months ago.
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Guys, i can understand the super heavy problems with the past CGL Kickstarter. I'm posed to try to do this kickstart. Its get heads up on past problems for these sort things.
I've never heard of CGL doing this to hurt people or try it as money grab. I hate to see this kickstart start negatively before its even started.
Maybe complaints about CGL related Kickstarts should be in it's own thread verses killing this kickstart before it gets started.
To be clear my intention isn't to try and kill the BT KS, just make sure that everyone goes into it with eyes wide open.
Edit - having said that, I suppose since my first post here is about the KS that it probably looks exactly like I'm trying to kill this KS! :-/ I posted here b/c I haven't been active w/BT for a long time and this seemed to be the most active BT forum now. I'm just trying to say that my intentions for posting here aren't anti-BT. If there's anyone around here who was active back when The Dropship or Steel Command BT sites were active they may remember me from there.
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This is why CGL has been very very conservative and tight lip when it comes to Kickstarter, it's a few in the forum that's been talking about KS like some magic bullet until now after PSI screwed up.
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I think it’s perfectly reasonable to point out that a company recently ran a capital campaign that had major distribution issues and may potentially be using the same infrastructure to distribute again while still working on issues from the first go around. None of what people are talking about is wild speculation or fear mongering but very real concerns about things that have already happened in a tone that is concerned than hyperbolically angry.
I have yet to see anyone dismiss the sprawl ops situation as dishonestly portrayed so I don’t feel it’s something to sweep under the rug.
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Ive been playing Battletech since it started when I was a teenager. I remember everything Battletech and I even have some of the lead Battledroids minis. I also used to Demo for IWM. Ive got mixed feelings about this kick starter.
Out here in WA Catalyst Games has a retail arm called Wishes. Where they refuse to carry IWM metal minis for Battletech. While I agree the prototypes of the Kickstarter look great (although the Dire Wolf looks amazingly identical to the last Plastech version I have). I really dont feel excited about this kick starter. Battletech has always had 2 companies working side by side to provide us with amazing game play and miniature modeling. One for the game, the other for the metal miniatures. Apparently Catalyst games doesn't want to share for the sake of all the fans of the game. Not to mention they wont let you play Battletech in their store unless you play strictly by Commando / Current rule set.
So im sorry. I own over 500 Btech minis... (still dont have them all painted) I guess that will have to suffice. Those that join in the Kickstarter, Good luck and enjoy!
Springer Prime
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Even though I backed Sprawl Ops and am one of the unlucky few who won't see the boardgame for at least a couple of months more, I will back the living hell out of this Battletech Kickstarter. The Sprawl Ops mess is no big deal in the long run and I'm sure that it can only work as a learning lesson if anything. I've also backed a whole lot of Kickstarters in my time (mostly videogame related) and all of them have been absolutely amazing.
I can only recommend Kickstarter and I hope no one has any reservations about Kickstarter as a concept. It works almost all the time and it helps make the product you love come alive thanks to some awesome dedication by the producers. In that sense, even though Sprawl Ops kind of burned me a little bit, I still whole-heartily recommend backing the Clan Invasion next week.
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... I really dont feel excited about this kick starter. Battletech has always had 2 companies working side by side to provide us with amazing game play and miniature modeling. One for the game, the other for the metal miniatures. Apparently Catalyst games doesn't want to share for the sake of all the fans of the game. ...
It's the fans that want the plastic minis. IWM has shown no interest (that I'm aware of) in producing plastic minis. Catalyst is hardly being the bad guy by giving us what many of us want.
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I think it is most about creating a core set of miniatures that can be kept in stores, which the game really needs.
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It's the fans that want the plastic minis. IWM has shown no interest (that I'm aware of) in producing plastic minis. Catalyst is hardly being the bad guy by giving us what many of us want.
I think he os suggesting Wishes should carry IWM metal minis and be freer with the rulesets they allow in store
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Out here in WA Catalyst Games has a retail arm called Wishes. Where they refuse to carry IWM metal minis for Battletech.
Springer Prime
Not quite, but close. Wishes is owned by Loren Coleman, who is also an owner of InMediaRes/Catalyst. So often the two work together for conventions around Seattle, but they are not the same company. They share one head person (Randall is not a part of Wishes). At conventions where both are present, Wishes staff never work at the Catalyst area and the reverse is also true* (*Except for Loren Coleman and his sons, who are involved with both). (Though at cons such as PAX Catalyst will store excess Wishes stock if they have room for it that Wishes doesn't have at the convention).
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I think he os suggesting Wishes should carry IWM metal minis and be freer with the rulesets they allow in store
Okay, that I can understand.
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It's the fans that want the plastic minis. IWM has shown no interest (that I'm aware of) in producing plastic minis. Catalyst is hardly being the bad guy by giving us what many of us want.
I don't think there is a bad guy or good guy here but there are potential serious relationship problems that can occur between CGL & IWM over this kickstarter. If the plastic mini are as successful as CGL hopes, there is no doubt that they will impact IWM bottom line on their own mini sales. Additionally I find it amusing that CGL's best chance at growth and additional sales is from the mini market. This is a board game. Minis aren't important. ;) How many years have those lines been touted? And yet here we are looking for growth not from the books or rules but from the miniatures.
I just hope CGL understands the potential impact this can have on the one partner that has stuck by them throughout the years. And I don't believe that allowing IWM to release the minis at a later date in metal is much compensation. Initial sales of a product are almost always strongest at the beginning and then taper off. IWM would be picking up the left overs. Hopefully this has all been worked out behind the scenes.
Anyway just my thoughts on the kickstarter.
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ok a question. i've seen this on FB more than a few times, and it warrants discussion and possibly answers from one of the Catalyst people if they aren't blocked by NDA's about it.
for people who are new to the game and pretty well served by the existing box sets as far as having mech on mech play scenarios, what does the Clan invasion set add other than just new mechs and weapons, that would encourage players to consider getting them. often cited is for example how the current box sets are a bit light on setting info and lore, and newer players asking whether the new sets will have more setting info and lore, not just on the clans but on the wars of the Innersphere and such.
personally i think it is a valid question. all the starter sets in the past have always been rather light on setting detail, not really getting much into the actual conflicts of the inner sphere beyond the abstract "which factions fight which factions" aspects.
the clan expansion sets have the potential to include info on things like the Ronin war, the War of 3039, and some of the other conflicts during the Clan invasion era (Capellan-St.ives war, the refusal war, etc) which would give the players more options for coming up with scenarios and campaigns.
also IMO it wouldn't hurt to include a version of the bare bones chaos campaign rules like those found in the recent succession wars chaos campaign PDF, so players can have the option for doing campaigns that are more than just a series of individual scenarios.
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Sneak Peek – BattleTech: Clan Invasion Boxed Set Contents
At the heart of the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is the Clan Invasion boxed set, an expansion to the bestselling BattleTech Beginner Box and A Game of Armored Combat boxed sets. Ready for a sneak peek?
One copy of the Clan Invasion box will be included for all backers at the $50 pledge level; additional copies can be purchased for $50 each as add-on items.
Here is what’s inside:
• Five high-quality plastic miniatures – the reimagined Executioner, Timber Wolf, Nova, Grendel, and Adder OmniMechs;
• Two dice, exactly like those in A Game of Armored Combat;
• A 16-page Clan Primer, in the style of the BattleTech primer included with the recent box sets, but focused on the Clans;
• A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield;
• A booklet of record sheets
• A 24-page novella featuring an all-new story told from the Clan point-of-view;
• Five pilot cards and five Alpha Strike cards, each double-sided;
• A revised reference card, updated with the rules and stats for Clan units;
• Two double-sided mapsheets featuring all-new battlefields;
• One sheet of die-cut, punch out cardboard playing pieces representing each of the five OmniMechs in the box, along with terrain from the mapsheets.
The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter goes live next Wednesday, July 17 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 10 a.m. Pacific!
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ok a question. i've seen this on FB more than a few times, and it warrants discussion and possibly answers from one of the Catalyst people if they aren't blocked by NDA's about it.
for people who are new to the game and pretty well served by the existing box sets as far as having mech on mech play scenarios, what does the Clan invasion set add other than just new mechs and weapons, that would encourage players to consider getting them.
I swear on my children's lives that I had that box set contents sneak peek post planned and scheduled for a WEEK to go live around 9:30 p.m. tonight.
But wow, you timed your request PERFECTLY...
To try to answer your question(s) more specifically - the scope of this initial box had to be pretty tight, and the focus was 100 pct on the beautiful redesigned minis. Stuffing the box with a lot of paper might have pleased some customers, but there's a cost to everything, and you have to make choices.
Along the same lines, covering everything from 3030 to 3061 in one box is, I think, too much ground to cover thematically. This box is about the Clan Invasion, and the contents and minis tie into that one, specific event. Also, you want to leave yourself room for possible products. Are we ever going to see a Ronin War boxed set? I wouldn't hold my breath. But it's important to not to allow mission drift, and try to make one massive thing that tries to be all things to all people.
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I swear on my children's lives that I had that box set contents sneak peek post planned and scheduled for a WEEK to go live around 9:30 p.m. tonight.
But wow, you timed your request PERFECTLY...
most of the questions of this kind came up shortly after the announcement, and the fact i couldn't give an answer has guilt tripped me for awhile. a lot of people on the facebook groups seemed unable to give an answer beyond "more mechs and weapons, what else could you want, if you want lore go to sarna" which frankly rankled me and seemed a bad way to encourage new players. (i've read most of the novels and sourcebooks, and even i have trouble using sarna for lore purposes most of the time. expecting a new player that hasn't read all those things to know what to look for is overly optimistic)
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I think he os suggesting Wishes should carry IWM metal minis and be freer with the rulesets they allow in store
That's exactly it. When I asked if I could bring my friends in and play Battletech and Mechwarrior together (Table Top and RPG) they said I could not play any version of Battltech unless it was strictly in accordance with the Commando rules. Years ago, in my friends store in Greeley Colorado we hammered out a Balanced set or tournament rules (as at the time they were all based on tonnage killed). I was told, even if it was just among my group, I could not use that in their store.
Springer Prime
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Not quite, but close. Wishes is owned by Loren Coleman, who is also an owner of InMediaRes/Catalyst. So often the two work together for conventions around Seattle, but they are not the same company. They share one head person (Randall is not a part of Wishes). At conventions where both are present, Wishes staff never work at the Catalyst area and the reverse is also true* (*Except for Loren Coleman and his sons, who are involved with both). (Though at cons such as PAX Catalyst will store excess Wishes stock if they have room for it that Wishes doesn't have at the convention).
ah, I appropriate the clarification. The information I gave was based entirely upon what I was told by the, Then Manager of the Wishes Store when they were in Everett Mall.
Springer Prime
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"more mechs and weapons, what else could you want, if you want lore go to sarna" which frankly rankled me and seemed a bad way to encourage new players.
That certainly wouldn't be my "official" answer. Sarna is great, but relying on a third party wiki to provide background is not a good way to grow. I'd point them to TRO Succession Wars, Era Report 3052 in PDF, or something like that.
But hey--I'm paving over my own big announcement. Go look, people!
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ok a question. i've seen this on FB more than a few times, and it warrants discussion and possibly answers from one of the Catalyst people if they aren't blocked by NDA's about it.
for people who are new to the game and pretty well served by the existing box sets as far as having mech on mech play scenarios, what does the Clan invasion set add other than just new mechs and weapons, that would encourage players to consider getting them. often cited is for example how the current box sets are a bit light on setting info and lore, and newer players asking whether the new sets will have more setting info and lore, not just on the clans but on the wars of the Innersphere and such.
personally i think it is a valid question. all the starter sets in the past have always been rather light on setting detail, not really getting much into the actual conflicts of the inner sphere beyond the abstract "which factions fight which factions" aspects.
the clan expansion sets have the potential to include info on things like the Ronin war, the War of 3039, and some of the other conflicts during the Clan invasion era (Capellan-St.ives war, the refusal war, etc) which would give the players more options for coming up with scenarios and campaigns.
also IMO it wouldn't hurt to include a version of the bare bones chaos campaign rules like those found in the recent succession wars chaos campaign PDF, so players can have the option for doing campaigns that are more than just a series of individual scenarios.
This is a valid viewpoint, especially since the succession wars have been so sparsely covered by cgl. I don’t consider directing people to FASA pdf scans good enough in this day and age, especially since the production value of the more recent products is so much more superior to even the FanPro days. A classics expansion box that focused on the 4th SW would have been a good option too. But there are advantages to framing your primary eras first and backfilling as well - alpha strike is firmly ensconced around the first half of the clan invasion and the clan box provides support for that, even if indirectly. I can see both sides of it and I what the right answer is probably boils down to personal preference
What would help tremendously at present is if one could get at least PoD of ER 3052 and 62 plus the blood of Kerensky trilogy as they all work as excellent primers to the clan invasion.
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My body (if not really my wallet!) is ready!
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DAMN! That preview is nice! makes me want those books more now!
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* Punches wall... rent Rent RENT RENT.
Damnit... * curses rent!
TT
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I'm hoping that the rulebook has rules for the Inner Sphere tech of the time period as well, and the record sheets include 3050 variants of the 'Mechs from the Beginner Box and AGoAC .
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Nah, that'll happen in the Fedcom Civil War box streatch goal.
Hopefully. Plastic Fafnir VS Sagittaire VS Akuma for the win.
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Unless the price is completely out of line, I'll pick up a box. I'd be more stoked with a different lineup, though. Those are all mechs that have high BPV, arguably more than some are worth.
not exactly golden century either, executioner, puma and Grendel are 31st century.
Still gonna pick up a box
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I'm hoping that the rulebook has rules for the Inner Sphere tech of the time period as well, and the record sheets include 3050 variants of the 'Mechs from the Beginner Box and AGoAC .
It would also match well with the advanced tech in TRO: SW which would allow you to use the vast majority of Record Sheets: Succession Wars with just the two boxes
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Folks here in Oz are about to get their tax-returns, and the government put through some nice big tax-cuts this year that will give us over $1000 to play around with before the regular returns are calculated.
What timing!!! :D
BYE
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Thanks for the sneak peek of the Kickstarter, Cubby. It looks fantastic and I am really looking forward to supporting it!
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Folks here in Oz are about to get their tax-returns, and the government put through some nice big tax-cuts this year that will give us over $1000 to play around with before the regular returns are calculated.
What timing!!! :D
BYE
I'm just lodging mine now, and I expect that a not-insubstantial portion of my return will be going towards plastic mechs!
The Kickstarter announcement is what finally drove me to take the plunge into TT Battletech after being a fan of the PC games for as long as I can remember, and I've been (slowly) painting up the pair from the beginner box over the last couple of weeks. The Clan 'mechs in particular hold a special place in my heart since Mechwarrior 2 was my first introduction to the universe, and I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on them. I'm a little disappointed that the Mad Dog isn't part of the core set, but I'd be surprised if it isn't included in the Attack Star box.
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Sneak Peek – BattleTech: Clan Invasion Boxed Set Contents
At the heart of the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is the Clan Invasion boxed set, an expansion to the bestselling BattleTech Beginner Box and A Game of Armored Combat boxed sets. Ready for a sneak peek?
One copy of the Clan Invasion box will be included for all backers at the $50 pledge level; additional copies can be purchased for $50 each as add-on items.
Here is what’s inside:
• Five high-quality plastic miniatures – the reimagined Executioner, Timber Wolf, Nova, Grendel, and Adder OmniMechs;
• Two dice, exactly like those in A Game of Armored Combat;
• A 16-page Clan Primer, in the style of the BattleTech primer included with the recent box sets, but focused on the Clans;
• A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield;
• A booklet of record sheets
• A 24-page novella featuring an all-new story told from the Clan point-of-view;
• Five pilot cards and five Alpha Strike cards, each double-sided;
• A revised reference card, updated with the rules and stats for Clan units;
• Two double-sided mapsheets featuring all-new battlefields;
• One sheet of die-cut, punch out cardboard playing pieces representing each of the five OmniMechs in the box, along with terrain from the mapsheets.
The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter goes live next Wednesday, July 17 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 10 a.m. Pacific!
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This looks incredible.
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I'm a little disappointed that the Mad Dog isn't part of the core set, but I'd be surprised if it isn't included in the Attack Star box.
It is definitely going to be included in one of those stretch goal box sets, the concept sketch for it has been shown on the artist's patreon account, and it looks absolutely fantastic!
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This looks incredible.
It does, but I think'd have been slightly better served with different Mechs on the covers - that's four different views of a Mad Cat.
Still economics being what they are, it's easy to understand why.
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But why a Grendel?
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This is a valid viewpoint, especially since the succession wars have been so sparsely covered by cgl. I don’t consider directing people to FASA pdf scans good enough in this day and age, especially since the production value of the more recent products is so much more superior to even the FanPro days. A classics expansion box that focused on the 4th SW would have been a good option too. But there are advantages to framing your primary eras first and backfilling as well - alpha strike is firmly ensconced around the first half of the clan invasion and the clan box provides support for that, even if indirectly. I can see both sides of it and I what the right answer is probably boils down to personal preference
What would help tremendously at present is if one could get at least PoD of ER 3052 and 62 plus the blood of Kerensky trilogy as they all work as excellent primers to the clan invasion.
Assuming you're talking about the late Succession Wars, the problem is that FASA already covered it in detail, so any book covering would only be catering to new players and the 3025 or bust group, and for the former new art would be required.
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But why a Grendel?
I have no idea... Just roll with it.
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Assuming you're talking about the late Succession Wars, the problem is that FASA already covered it in detail, so any book covering would only be catering to new players and the 3025 or bust group, and for the former new art would be required.
I’m not in the camp advocating such a thing, I simply was empathizing to the viewpoint. Personally I’m happy with the chosen direction
But consider for a second the idea that the late succession wars are “tapped out” due to extensive previous coverage. The last late succession wars sourcebook produced by FASA was 20 Year Update in 1989 with a few callbacks in scenario packs like MAC and Battle Pack: 4th Sw. Brush Wars and War of 3039 are fifteen years old already. It speaks poorly to the future demographics of the game if a new player is someone who missed our on books OOP for nearly thirty years. I started in ‘96 just after 4th ed was released and the only way I learned about much previous to the clan invasion was because my friend’s uncle had some of the late 80s stuff. A second question: what about the even more exhaustively covered by FASA early clan invasion is any more appealing to vets? If the argument is been there, done that the only universally acceptable era is 3150.
Further, a classics-based box wouldn’t be any less new-player centric than the first box. Old hands are mainly in it for the minis. I’m guessing most people here would fail a pop quiz on the contents. I think a more important question is asking what new players want from an expansion box. Are they happy with no or few new rules or equipment with the expansion being in new units and background? What expectations have their experience from playing other games with expansions created? I ask because I have no idea.
Again, I think the clan box works better with the current product line, but I think we need to reconsider philosophically about how we think about the product line in general.
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The Grendel does seem like an odd choice, but its a pretty solid little mech and technically an Invasion-era machine.
And, hey, if this gets people using more than the original four medium Clan omnis from 3050, why not give it a shot?
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I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working. Guess I'll have to wait a few more days!
Also, does anyone else think the Nova looks a little big? Feels like our favorite little laserboat has been hitting the gym for leg day (yay, hips!), but maybe did a bit too much protein shake in the process.
(https://i.ibb.co/cyrR3z9/Clan-Invasion-Star-All-Five.png)
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It does look bigger than the daishi... did it find the 80s weightlifter roids?
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But why a Grendel?
Clan Diamond Shark product placement.
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It does look bigger than the daishi... did it find the 80s weightlifter roids?
That's because the Daishi is an Adder. Though, to be fair, the Adder, Direwolf, and even Warhawk to an extent have always been the same general structure with different proportions.
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That's because the Daishi is an Adder.
Also, if you look at that rendering, the hex bases on the Nova and the Adder are larger than the ones on the Exe and the Timber Wolf, which makes me think that they aren't going to look that large in-hand.
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This is what I get for looking at pics on mobile without my glasses
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I would LOVE a metal version of that Executioner, and the Gargoyle in those same lines. The head looks more natural and not a huge target anymore!
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I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working. Guess I'll have to wait a few more days!
Also, does anyone else think the Nova looks a little big? Feels like our favorite little laserboat has been hitting the gym for leg day (yay, hips!), but maybe did a bit too much protein shake in the process.
(https://i.ibb.co/cyrR3z9/Clan-Invasion-Star-All-Five.png)
I wouldn't be too much concerned with scale. Compare the pic of the Summoner and Dire Wolf...one described as short and squat, the other one of the tallest Mechs around.
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But why a Grendel?
Clearly to give the Beowulf from the FRR Box Set a playmate.
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The Grendel does seem like an odd choice, but its a pretty solid little mech and technically an Invasion-era machine.
And, hey, if this gets people using more than the original four medium Clan omnis from 3050, why not give it a shot?
I have a couple of metal Grendels (second hand from a lot), so I have some experience with them, and in mine opinion they are Meh in performance (compared to other Clan omnis) and have a forgettable appearance, like the last kid that gets chosen in gym class. Poor Mech, it even gets bullied by Clan Light Mechs.....
Clan Diamond Shark product placement.
Sounds legit.
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But why a Grendel?
IMO its several reasons IC & OOC
IC- It was a Shark design that appeared late in Operation Revival, and due to how the Shark's behaved with it is reasonable for it to show up with Bears, Jags, Cats, or even Vipers- less so with the Wolves or Falcons. A player can rightly expect to plug it into any Clan they want to represent during the Invasion.
OOC - Considering the Clan Invasion box is a expansion to the Beginner & GoAC, mechanics-wise its not something that will be OP against those IS mechs in their 3050 variants. We get the Nova as seen here and I think we had a peak at the Stormcrow, so it leaves a few other options for profiles- fast (Ice Ferret, Phantom) and fast/jumpers (Viper). Mongrel IMO is a better choice than the Viper, annoying +4 TH jumping with poor weapon selection for general play, because it can be more forgiving to new players introduced to advanced tech. The Ice Ferret is too identified with the Wolves to be added along side the Adder, Timber Wolf and Dire Wolf plus it has no jumping configs for the era which means it would not be as broad in its player appeal . . . and keeps those new players away from the usual Ice Ferret D universal hammer.
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I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working. Guess I'll have to wait a few more days!
Also, does anyone else think the Nova looks a little big? Feels like our favorite little laserboat has been hitting the gym for leg day (yay, hips!), but maybe did a bit too much protein shake in the process.
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Look at the Hex Bases for scale, some of the minis got blown up in the photo so you could see the details.
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I would still take a Viper over a Grendel, but that's for another thread.
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I like the Grendel and this mini looks especially nice!
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OOC - Considering the Clan Invasion box is a expansion to the Beginner & GoAC, mechanics-wise its not something that will be OP against those IS mechs in their 3050 variants. We get the Nova as seen here and I think we had a peak at the Stormcrow, so it leaves a few other options for profiles- fast (Ice Ferret, Phantom) and fast/jumpers (Viper). Mongrel IMO is a better choice than the Viper, annoying +4 TH jumping with poor weapon selection for general play, because it can be more forgiving to new players introduced to advanced tech. The Ice Ferret is too identified with the Wolves to be added along side the Adder, Timber Wolf and Dire Wolf plus it has no jumping configs for the era which means it would not be as broad in its player appeal . . . and keeps those new players away from the usual Ice Ferret D universal hammer.
Those are sadly good arguments, here is to hoping for further visual improvements to the Grendel (but has already got some, but could use a lot more).
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It may be worth considering that relative efficiency/optimization of a given Omni is arguably bad for an expansion box. Yes, we the players know that Stormcrows, Ice Ferrets, Timber Wolves, and Dire Wolves are all some of the best things in the game at what they do and will correspondingly get picked a lot. Throwing five of the best Omnis up against eight IS Mechs is a curb-stomping waiting to happen. That's a serious problem for players who are not experts at the game.
These five are going to give the 8 'Mechs in the Game of Armored Combat box a good fight.
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Huh? IIRC the Mongrel, which weights in the same as the Ice Ferret, is a more 'efficient' design b/c engine weight vs speed . . . though its been a while since I saw those calculations and generally could care less. I grant the fixed JJs sort of remove some of that saved weight but I think the Mongrel has better varied configs and like I said precludes the universal hammer.
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Look at the Hex Bases for scale, some of the minis got blown up in the photo so you could see the details.
As he Said. Attached is a pic with the Nova And Adder a little rescaled (roughly) to make the bases an equalish size to the top row.
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Now they look too small lol (gonna assume perspective issue)
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Now they look too small lol (gonna assume perspective issue)
That picture shrunk them way too much. The difference between bases on the Executioner and the Nova is... not close.
That said, both of them still look pretty squat; don't expect them to suddenly be as tall as even their own class machines. :P
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Well, the Nova and Adder both lack "waist", so they're shorter than most 'Mechs.
(Come to think of it, the Stormcrow does lack waist as well but its peculiar structure makes it tall.)
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I'm not one to get too worked up about Battletech miniature scaling issues; I made peace with that forever ago. And, being a relatively technical person, I can tell the difference between two sizes of pictures from the bases. :P
I'm just wondering how the Nova got so thick. Compare to the old art:
(http://www.masterunitlist.info/Image/RenderImage?width=300&height=400&file=https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fmul-images%2FBattleMechs%2FBlack%20Hawk%20(Nova).png)
See how skinny those limbs are? Even accounting for extra midsection (hips! Yay!), this new render's been hittin' the gym.
Which is fine! I love the new renders, and will be trying to take out a second mortgage to finance more kickin' when the time comes.
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I really like how with some of the new art makes me like some mechs that I otherwise did not care for. IN particular I really like the Gladiator. Normally I thought the design looked pretty bleh but this one looks sweet.
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Anybody else think the Timberwolf is a bit on the chubby side?
It's not really a serious complaint, but maybe this kitty needs to cut down on the treats.
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Anybody else think the Timberwolf is a bit on the chubby side?
It's not really a serious complaint, but maybe this kitty needs to cut down on the treats.
He stopped skipping leg day and now all the other Omnimechs won't kick sand in his face.
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Looking at the revealed 'Mechs so far, i feel some deviate too much from the originals.
The Nova gained waist and has hulked out unnecessarily. The Mist Lynx looks more like the Sling than the original Mist Lynx, not a bad look per se but it ain't Mist Lynx. The Executioner's legs feel way too small/thin, arguably the more agile look suits its stats but... eh.
The Timber Wolf's not bad but i don't really see it as improvement over the previous model, prefer that. It is definitively a bit fat. I will call that one Fat Cat from here on now.
The Adder, Summoner, and Dire Wolf, look OK. The Stormcrow's OK but i don't like the laser re-arrangement on the arms, even if it is more sensible than the original but this is pretty minor.
The Grendel is an improvement certainly. But i never cared for the 'Mech so whatever.
The Shadow Cat looks good, it needed a new model. Though now i wish there was a model patterned after the MWDA mini, that'd go nicely with the Avalanche and Wendigo.
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The Shadow Cat looks good, it needed a new model. Though now i wish there was a model patterned after the MWDA mini, that'd go nicely with the Avalanche and Wendigo.
The Dark Age Shadow Cat is on IWM's release schedule for this year.
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Looking at the revealed 'Mechs so far, i feel some deviate too much from the originals.
They're clearly trying to take inspiration from the MWO models.
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The Dark Age Shadow Cat is on IWM's release schedule for this year.
It is??? Whoah. Are there pics of that yet?
They're clearly trying to take inspiration from the MWO models.
I don't as a general rule like any MWO 'Mech looks.
At least the Classics look good and not like their MWO counterparts. EDIT Come to think of this, the Archer and Rifleman look pretty good in MWO. And the Thunderbolt's OK. They're not all bad, and certainly look better in motion, especially in HBS BattleTech as melee animations make them more dynamic looking instead of being just walking bricks.
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Think allot of us are showing our age,
'It looks different, Arrrrrrgh!!!'
I gave up arguing over art preferences a long time ago. One friend of mine always thought the T-Wolf limbs looked week for a 75 tone monster, I'm sure this will shut him up.
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Well *I* like it. <nods with vigor> <hands on hips>
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It is??? Whoah. Are there pics of that yet?
Not that I'm aware of. Here's the schedule (https://www.ironwindmetals.com/index.php/release-schedule-main) (note that the EMP-1A Emperor was released in the 2nd quarter due to the Scourge being delayed).
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Think allot of us are showing our age,
Talk for yourself, i'm under 30 and relatively new to Battletech. There are many 'Mechs that can do with updated looks, i just think the Clan original Omnis don't really belong to that category.
Personally i prefer the MWIV iteration of the Timber Wolf. A bit beefier than the original but looks suitably lean still, more solid-looking missile launchers without being too flat like MWO has them. Pity there's no mini for that, but at least the Vulture III looks a lot like MWIV Vulture which looked good as well.
Not that I'm aware of. Here's the schedule (https://www.ironwindmetals.com/index.php/release-schedule-main) (note that the EMP-1A Emperor was released in the 2nd quarter due to the Scourge being delayed).
Thanks, gotta keep this in mind as i'm considering future Dark Age acquisitions. Future, and not anytime soon either...
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IWM's metal Timber Wolves are going to continue to be available. The lovely, lovely resculpt. Mix and match!
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IWM's metal Timber Wolves are going to continue to be available. The lovely, lovely resculpt. Mix and match!
I'm more of a "set collector", so i'll go all IWM or all plastic when it comes to the original 16. Now this is assuming all of the originals get plastics, i can understand not all them would. If there won't be all 16, then i suppose i might treat the plastics as a set in themselves.
Regardless, Clan 'Mech acquisitions have to wait for now.
And much to my surprise, i found a MWO 'Mech i absolutely prefer to the original: The Linebacker. Now, if only the 'Mech itself wasn't trash... Wolf-in-Exile nonsense.
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Its not a Warden Wolf design? It existed going into Revival?
So . . . these are STILL computer renderings put together for the image, plus with that angle how can you really be sure it has a waist or is really too much beefier- I looked and its possible the Nova is like the old War Dog art.
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Its not a Warden Wolf design? It existed going into Revival?
Uh, right, yeah. Debuted well before the Wolf-Falcon conflict. But the design is strongly associated with the Exiled Wolves. My primary issue with the design is that it is 5 tons too heavy for its speed and subsequently as kind of terrible configurations, might as well use a Stormcrow.
As for the Nova, it is absolutely beefier than the original art or IWM model makes it. Lasers in the arms take more space, the arms themselves look a bit thicker in proportion to the body. And it got waist now, that's my biggest issue with the design. The Nova's lack of waist is an interesting visual and engineering quirk. Makes it simpler to manufacture while lowering the profile.
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Eh, I think you are blowing out of proportion (eh, punny?)
We have a top down view . . . the arms and everything else block the legs besides the feet. You also cannot get a clear view of the torso in that, and while it may show a split on that torso, the legs could be attached the whole way up the torso with the arms attaching to that instead of the torso directly- like the War Dog original art like I mentioned. The lasers are larger . . .
As far as the Mist Lynx? It still harkens back to the original and bridges the look between 3050 and the MWDA Koshi std mech.
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My wallet is now prepared: Paid off all the Origins bills, and the GenCon hasn't sucked my dry yet. I'm as ready as I'm going to get. The money-pult is locked and loaded, just waiting for the order to fire.
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Mechs that lack waists pretty much universally look better with waists. The Cauldron-Born is another good example. It's especially bad with the "My hips are also my shoulders!" crew, which must have a hell of a time actually aiming anything mounted in the torso while moving.
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We have a top down view . . . the arms and everything else block the legs besides the feet. You also cannot get a clear view of the torso in that, and while it may show a split on that torso, the legs could be attached the whole way up the torso with the arms attaching to that instead of the torso directly- like the War Dog original art like I mentioned. The lasers are larger . . .
The legs in the Nova are very visible. They're not connected to arms. See attached image, green shows where the leg was attached in the old version (overall the old version is a bit wider as a result), and red shows where the (left) hip is.
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Mechs that lack waists pretty much universally look better with waists. The Cauldron-Born is another good example. It's especially bad with the "My hips are also my shoulders!" crew, which must have a hell of a time actually aiming anything mounted in the torso while moving.
That fan art of the waisted yeoman is the hottest makeover of the 31st century
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Mechs that lack waists pretty much universally look better with waists. The Cauldron-Born is another good example. It's especially bad with the "My hips are also my shoulders!" crew, which must have a hell of a time actually aiming anything mounted in the torso while moving.
I'll grant you the Cauldron-Born as an exception. Think it belongs to the class of 'Mechs that do need new art... but then again, it is not part of the original 16 and lacks the same styling as the originals.
(Its MWO version is pretty good but it stands a just bit too tall, naturally the waist adds some height but i wish it were very slightly less tall.)
That fan art of the waisted yeoman is the hottest makeover of the 31st century
The Yeoman cannot be saved! At least i believe it can't be, now i need to look for the fan art...
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If you ask me, the more defining feature of most Mechs that that lack waists (like the Nova) is not the lack of waist, it's the typically by-definition corresponding trait that their elbows are lower than their hips. The Nova still has the squat, almost hunckbacked posture, which at least in my opinion is the trait it needs to share to be "right".
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It'll be like taking the overhead arms off the Fire Moth. Why take away defining traits?
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If you ask me, the more defining feature of most Mechs that that lack waists (like the Nova) is not the lack of waist, it's the typically by-definition corresponding trait that their elbows are lower than their hips. The Nova still has the squat, almost hunckbacked posture, which at least in my opinion is the trait it needs to share to be "right".
Dunno, low hanging arms aren't too uncommon. The Adder is similar in this (of course, it also lacks proper waist... but i figure it can be updated with a waist and retain its overall looks), as is the Kit Fox (again, easier to add waist without messing up the design). The Viper and Nova are very much defined by their arms and legs sharing, uh, hip-shoulder. Hipoulder?
EDIT MWIV added waist to the Adder and Kit Fox without drastically changing their overall profile.
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Hipshoulders are honestly the thing I hate, but "no waist" also includes a number of Mechs that could really use one. Chief among them the Marauder, and thank God for the one we got.
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The Nova's waist is now the same thing the Kit Fox has. I'll laugh if the Kit Fox is actually changed.
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Chief among them the Marauder, and thank God for the one we got.
Uh, the Marauder's unseen image and Project Phoenix version both have waist. Maybe not very twisty one (i recall MWIV MekPak 3's Marauder having bad torso twist because it was based on the unseen), but waist nonetheless.
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I just realized what I would do to the Grendel mini.
- Apply an copy of the left-upperarm to the right arm.
- Change the head to bring it more in-line with the Gargoyle and Executioner.
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Uh, the Marauder's unseen image and Project Phoenix version both have waist. Maybe not very twisty one (i recall MWIV MekPak 3's Marauder having bad torso twist because it was based on the unseen), but waist nonetheless.
I have always (and still do, even after this) see two legs connecting to hip joints that but straight from the torso on the original model. The Project Phoenix one I can sort of see, for some models, but for the rest I'd still call that no waist.
Note: not currently able to view a mini in person. Most of what I meant applies primarily to the original and not the Phoenix version, in any case. The Phoenix version has its own problems.
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I have always (and still do, even after this) see two legs connecting to hip joints that but straight from the torso on the original model. The Project Phoenix one I can sort of see, for some models, but for the rest I'd still call that no waist.
Sarna's pic of original TRO3050 Marauder is pretty illuminating:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:MAD-5D.png
Pretty weird waist to be sure, and perhaps not particularly effective one.
That said, the Marauder is a massive improvement. In retrospect, the original is kinda silly looking.
I've often thought that the Project Phoenix version looks kinda reasonable but it doesn't look like Marauder, but rather as if it were some other 'Mech. Fortunately the new one is awesome.
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Wait until you people see the new design of Stormcrow. It's bulky as hell and looks a lot like the Nova. I don't like it but Anthony Scroggins think the design works.
I think people need to get used to Scroggins. Less sleekness, more bulkiness seems to be the mantra.
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Wait until you see the new design of Stormcrow. It's bulky as hell and looks a lot like the Nova.
We've seen the Stormcrow already, it is in the first page, the Clan Command Star pic.
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Wait until you people see the new design of Stormcrow. It's bulky as hell and looks a lot like the Nova. I don't like it but Anthony Scroggins think the design works.
I think people need to get used to Scroggins. Less sleekness, more bulkiness seems to be the mantra.
It's less "more bulkiness" and more Mechs having curves that aren't round and edges that aren't literally right angles and points. If you put a gun to my head and forced me to come up with a single concept that embodies the Clan redesigns, it'd be "late generation fighter jet" and honestly I'm here for it until that train runs out of stops.
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We've seen the Stormcrow already, it is in the first page, the Clan Command Star pic.
Sorry I meant when you see it properly in terms of perspective. Its arms and hands are incredibly bulky and it looks a lot like the Nova.
It's less "more bulkiness" and more Mechs having curves that aren't round and edges that aren't literally right angles and points. If you put a gun to my head and forced me to come up with a single concept that embodies the Clan redesigns, it'd be "late generation fighter jet" and honestly I'm here for it until that train runs out of stops.
I get what you're saying, but that's not what I'm talking about. With the Stormcrow it's literally much bigger hands and arms with less sleekness and it looks much more like the Nova.
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If you put a gun to my head and forced me to come up with a single concept that embodies the Clan redesigns, it'd be "late generation fighter jet" and honestly I'm here for it until that train runs out of stops.
"Late generation jet fighter" brings stealth fighters to my mind, and those look very... plain. They do have rounded shapes that are somewhat complex but stealth fighters lack all sorts of greebling these new Clan 'Mechs have.
EDIT Have to say it is really hard to use a single concept for these. I get why one might use "late gen fighter".
Sorry I meant when you see it properly in terms of perspective. Its arms and hands are incredibly bulky and it looks a lot like the Nova.
That does not sound positive to me. The Stormcrow never looked terribly bulky, or even Nova-like (minus overall shape of the legs).
Looks okay in the Command Star pic :/
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It's not a prefect analogy. The intent to get across was "sleek but not necessarily smooth" and "curved but not necessarily round". Without the greebly bits and arbitrary panel lines on a number of old designs you could mistake then for balloons.
In the Stormcrow's specific example, if it beefs up to look the part I'm not complaining.
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It's not a prefect analogy. The intent to get across was "sleek but not necessarily smooth" and "curved but not necessarily round". Without the greebly bits and arbitrary panel lines on a number of old designs you could mistake then for balloons.
I don't think so... the Star League bubble-balloon-potato designs (ie most of the TRO 3058) do that far more effectively already. Incidentally those belong to the "needs new art" category. Though i suppose extra greebling would improve their looks.
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Talk for yourself,
...umm, I am. Why I said 'some of us' and not 'you guys' (sorry I didn't add 'lol' so you would have know I wasn't being too serious.)
I'm I record stating it was criminal that Fasa didn't commission Steve Venture to design every clan mech from 3050 onward. I hated even the idea of a Mad Cat IV, the idea you can improve on perfection until CGL managed to polish it up for TRO: 3145 to be truly worth of it's heritage. In short, I freak'n love the 3050's omnis and that will never change. If this gets new kids to appreciate those same mechs the way I do, I'm all for it!
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I'm I record stating it was criminal that Fasa didn't commission Steve Venture to design every clan mech from 3050 onward. I hated even the idea of a Mad Cat IV, the idea you can improve on perfection until CGL managed to polish it up for TRO: 3145 to be truly worth of it's heritage. In short, I freak'n love the 3050's omnis and that will never change. If this gets new kids to appreciate those same mechs the way I do, I'm all for it!
You love the stats or looks or both?
Just thinking that many later OmniMechs have much, much better configurations and/or base chassis. With new art, they'll be more noticed than they used to, me thinks. Like, take the Huntsman or Grendel, they look kinda terrible (art and mini both) but both are pretty good, their chassis and configs.
Were it not for their looks, i'd ignore many of the original 16. (And i don't even like all of them really, it is just they have that uniform style i appreciate enough to use them.)
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Those 'Mechs are looking incredible. Especially that Executioner! :drool: Oh, my Wife and wallet are so going to kill me when this Kickstarter hits! *laughs*
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Who got to write the novella?
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Has it been stated how much this thing is?
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Has it been stated how much this thing is?
The base box itself is at $50 backing tier. So retail price is probably around the same.
But this doesn't apparently include shipping.
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6 more days until my CC dies from me trying to throw it at my screen. Sooo much new shiny!
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I have a couple of metal Grendels (second hand from a lot), so I have some experience with them, and in mine opinion they are Meh in performance (compared to other Clan omnis) and have a forgettable appearance, like the last kid that gets chosen in gym class. Poor Mech, it even gets bullied by Clan Light Mechs.....
Not my experience with them. They have problems facing off against mechs in their mobility tier, and can have trouble earning their points back, but those are hardly unique problems for mechs in this box. But if you want a flanker that the enemy will have a heck of a time killing and with enough firepower it can't be ignored? hard to do better. In almost all ways it compares favourably with the shadow cat. It does better the bigger playing area it has access to, like a lot of fast, longer-range mechs.
Solid alternate configs. I'd like more pulse lasers on a natural jumper like this, but it is entirely understandable why it didn't get them.
[Edit] - My glitch is with the Adder. It pays full BPV for a second PPC it can occasionally use, at a cost for your next turn's mobility (Great cost if you ran)
Not a beginner mech. In fact, it's on a par with the worst of the succession wars for the skill it requires.
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I wish Nova had some of the configs (or similar ones) the Grendel has. Nova has tendency to have really expensive configs (eg Prime), or lackluster ones (eg C).
And chassis vs chassis, the Grendel is certainly super compared to the Shadow Cat. The Shadow Cat's only advantages are mildly higher top speed when using MASC, and superior payload. But i think the Grendel makes better use of its payload, though there are duds to be sure.
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But i think the Grendel makes better use of its payload, though there are duds to be sure.
[cough] C [cough] One ton of ammo for it's LB 10X (it's only other weapon is a medium laser). And the record sheet defaults it to cluster rounds! (Though you're allowed to change switchable ammo type)
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[cough] C [cough] One ton of ammo for it's LB 10X (it's only other weapon is a medium laser). And the record sheet defaults it to cluster rounds! (Though you're allowed to change switchable ammo type)
Me, i'd say clusters are the better option, due to -1 to hit even if average damage is only 6, as that's also 6 headshot or TAC chances. But yeah, it was one that was in my mind.
Note that i'm inclined to consider the Shadow Cat Prime a dud, since the Gauss rifle could be replaced with an ER PPC and all kinds of stuff even after adding heat sinks. Of course there's very few Clan 'Mechs where the Gauss rifle makes more sense than an ER PPC...
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i ran the numbers on Intro Box 2 lances vs Clan box star
by far the easiest setup:
All IS SW stock variants with 3/4 pilots - 12415
Clan Mechs prime config with 4/5 pilots - 12522
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I'd always figured that the Grendel C was what you got when you were being given
punishment anti-tank duty.
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6 more days until my CC dies from me trying to throw it at my screen. Sooo much new shiny!
36 days - you pay at the end of the campaign.
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I'd always figured that the Grendel C was what you got when you were being given punishment anti-tank duty.
Given it's a clan mech, it could also be intended for trials against lesser opponents, or theoretically better ones, because institutionalizing the goal of chasing glory frequently results in intentionally making bad decisions.
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I really like the redesigns of all the new Clan Mechs, and I think the inclusion of the waist on the Nova is great, it makes the Mech look more like a combat machine rather than a backyard hobby kit.
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Interesting how different the new designs can be received. My first impression of the 3d renders was: Whooo, greeeaat!!
Now, after looking closer, I can't really stand or just like them anymore.
They are too close to the MWO brickcommander mechs.
With all their platings and bloated up bodies and limps they give an impression of an athlete who stopped training after he retired (Maradonna anyone?). They got the fatcure. Where is the agility feeling?
Hopefully the real plastics will be a bit more slender. For now they look like toys for hands of a 3-6 year old.
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I keep throwing my wallet at my screen, but it's not working.
You're doing it wrong. You turn on the webcam and hold the credit card up to it.* ;)
I'm not one to get too worked up about Battletech miniature scaling issues; I made peace with that forever ago. And, being a relatively technical person, I can tell the difference between two sizes of pictures from the bases. :P
I'm just wondering how the Nova got so thick. Compare to the old art:
(http://www.masterunitlist.info/Image/RenderImage?width=300&height=400&file=https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fmul-images%2FBattleMechs%2FBlack%20Hawk%20(Nova).png)
See how skinny those limbs are? Even accounting for extra midsection (hips! Yay!), this new render's been hittin' the gym.
Exactly. The Nova had to beef up its legs to support the new stronger torso. (Muscle is denser, and thus heavier.) Then it had to increase the arm workout because symmetry is desirable.
One friend of mine always thought the T-Wolf limbs looked week for a 75 tone monster, I'm sure this will shut him up.
What's he complaining about? 75 tones gives you fifteen pentatonic octaves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentatonic_scale) of firepower!
*This is a joke. Please nobody do this.
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The IS mechs look really nice, perhaps a bit chunky. The Clan mechs moreso.
Art evolves and in many ways Battletech is just as much about the art of the models as it is about the mechanics of the game and the story of the fictional universe.
Looking at other miniature companies. GW focuses heavily on the art. Hell their terminators couldn't actually fit in the armor unless wearing terminator armor moves your shoulders 6 or 12 inches upward. But they look cool so, they go with it.
Privateer Press has a number of models that just look cool or are entirely impractical.
Battletech's art and Iron Wind Metal's figures have evolved too. Away from Robotech and Crusher Joe material and inspired looks, to what we see today. In between was an anime influenced period that I call the "Gun Tumor" phase. Where the mechs looked pretty bad (in my opinion) and only the "rule of cool" could justify barrels so exposed, oversized and prevalent.
Today is a nod to the origins of our beloved game's miniatures and art with a focus on at least the potential for looking "real," or at least possible and modestly rational. These mini's certainly have some compromises to make them miniatures and not just art or 3D models.
The "MWO look" is the beginning of this renaissance in Btech art and so you see some strong similarities. Of course, because some of those artists are the same (I think) you would expect that.
Now what bothers me is that with a few exceptions, I thought I was done buying models for several years. I have precisely what I want to make up the units I envision. Yes the odd miniature is coming and a new book will come out that I might want. Now I have to work these in. What a TERRIBLE BURDEN! ::)
I will back this if for no other reason than to support the game I love. I say that and I really dislike some of the plot choices in the last say 20 years (Jihad onward) that and the "gun tumor" period almost made me quit. MWO and Mekwars 3025 brought me back to the hobby. I think this shows there is a chance for Btech to remain viable after old Ogre's like me pass on. So I'll put some money where my all too big a mouth is. Worse comes to worse, my younger boys will have some plastic robots they can play with. (8 and 9, just a bit too young to play Btech in earnest. Just starting to teach them strategy games)
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When i saw the picture of the 5 Clan Mechs, i thought Adder was a Daishi from the angle (before i read what it was.)
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yeah, same. i did go back and look at the daishi render and there will be no mistaking them for each other on the table. the daishi will be a big boy.
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I'm really liking the look of all the new sculpts, especially the IS unseen. However, I intend to purchase the clan box to support the game and community.
Cheers,
Mad
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I'm really liking the look of all the new sculpts, especially the IS unseen. However, I intend to purchase the clan box to support the game and community.
Cheers,
Mad
Same here. I personally couldn't care less for the Clans, but I know there are people who have been champing at the bit for this product for literally years, so I'd like to do my part to help them out :) Not to mention, i want to get the IS Classics :thumbsup:
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Gotta say, these look far, far better than the blocky, poorly detailed, “shut down in the hangar”-posed CityTech 2E OmniMech sculpts.
I’ll be kicking for at least two sets.
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hut down in the hangar”-posed CityTech 2E OmniMech sculpts
of course they don't. It's 25 years later. Some progress should be made during this amount of time. :D
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Injection molding has come further, but did the CityTech sculptor have to connect their arms to their thighs?
The earlier 3E main box minis were multi-part on sprues and looked substantially better in the same era. (Though they did meld the Griffin’s arm to its crotch and put the Shadow Hawk’s gun upside down on the wrong side of the backpack)
Just wanted to say that these models have both good tech and good sculpting.
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So excited.
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Are the Wasp and Rifleman going to be in the Inner Sphere Battle Lance pack? The Phoenix Hawk and the Warhammer are mentioned and it makes sense when compared to the units presented in the 1st - 3rd editions of Battletech. With some of the Unseen issues resolved ( thankfully with HG's suit getting slapped down in court) by the way the Nuseen as a whole for the 14 affected designs look ( hot by the way and a fan of the extra detailwork each Mech has from the updating to the appearances ), the only other units to be done would be the Ost series and the Longbow - OW.
Merely a question on my part and not trying to speculate...
Sartris, what waisted Yeoman fan art do you speak of? I would like to see what it looks like too...
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Are the Wasp and Rifleman going to be in the Inner Sphere Battle Lance pack? The Phoenix Hawk and the Warhammer are mentioned and it makes sense when compared to the units presented in the 1st - 3rd editions of Battletech.
We don't know any announced specifics yet on what is where.
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It would be nice if we could get the Phoenix Hawk as well.
Hope they have some sort of KS exclusive or special offer.
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:D July 13 2019 :drool: :drool: :drool: 4 more days .
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It would be nice if we could get the Phoenix Hawk as well.
Hope they have some sort of KS exclusive or special offer.
fwiw its 3D model appeared on Scroggins' patreon - but that doesn't mean it'll be part of the Kickstarter
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Sartris, what waisted Yeoman fan art do you speak of? I would like to see what it looks like too...
Third result when googling Battletech yeoman
(https://i.imgur.com/RTD3Dn2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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Was meant to be posted in a different thread?
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Edit: I didnt notice the thread had jumped a page so I didn’t see the new replies in between. Added quote above for clarity
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Third result when googling Battletech yeoman
(https://i.imgur.com/RTD3Dn2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Oh, that has a lot of possibilities ( I still have one to build for my Blakists 😈. Someday I'll get it done. ) ... Thanks Sartris.
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I use that picture in my MML images dump for the Yeoman. Dress for the job (or in this case sculpt) you want to have
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Edit: I didnt notice the thread had jumped a page so I didn’t see the new replies in between. Added quote above for clarity
Ah, that makes sense.
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That art isn't an improvement. The missile launchers are still ludicrously big. Really, consider the Longbow or Mad Cat and their missile launchers, and all three designs use LRMs.
The Yeoman's design is beyond any redemption.
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(https://www.bustedtees.com/images/rendering/renderMockup.cfm?design=3925&offsetx=0&offsety=0&color=a3b3cb&product=male)
Ride into battle with your Yeomans wearing this
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I'll sell Yeoman scrap to Lyrans rather than use them.
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Probably a good thing for you it won't be showing up in this kickstarter then
I'd like a crossbow, fenris, kingfisher, MAYBE a vulture and a huntsman. I'd expect a Kit Fox in there somewhere, that's a Jade Falcon staple.
I'd really like a variant parts sprue in each box. That one is as unlikely as a Yeoman or HellCheese, but I still want them.
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Actually, an sprue with various weapon bits would be pretty cool. I don't see it showing up in the main box since it would only be useful for people with some modeling experience, but I could totally see it as an add on. Wouldn't even care if it wasn't plastic.
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I hope that adding more 'Mechs to the Clan box is a stretch goal, as 5 'Mechs for the cost of the Starter Box is kind of a big ask.
Plus if it goes up to 10 'Mechs then you can play Star v Star right out of the box.
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I hope that adding more 'Mechs to the Clan box is a stretch goal, as 5 'Mechs for the cost of the Starter Box is kind of a big ask.
Plus if it goes up to 10 'Mechs then you can play Star v Star right out of the box.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think cost has been revealed yet. It would make sense to me that it will be somewhere between AGoAC and the beginner box, closer to the former.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think cost has been revealed yet. It would make sense to me that it will be somewhere between AGoAC and the beginner box, closer to the former.
$50 USD for the Clan Box has been officially quoted, so you're right, it is between the $20 USD of the Beginner Box Set and the $60 USD of the AGoAC Box Set, but closer to that latter bigger main box...
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Well maybe they'll out the Beginner Box/Game of Armoured Combat on as add-on's for the KS. And the map sheets. :)
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$50 USD for the Clan Box has been officially quoted, so you're right, it is between the $20 USD of the Beginner Box Set and the $60 USD of the AGoAC Box Set, but closer to that latter bigger main box...
High considering it only has 5/8 the minis and we're footing the development costs, but figure that they aren't cutting the profit margin as thin and other factors *Looks at rule 4* and it isn't completely out of line.
Where was that mention, and were there estimates on the lance/star packs?
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Bit high considering it only has 5/8 the minis and we're footing the development costs, but figure that they aren't cutting the profit margin as thin and other factors *Looks at rule 4* and it isn't completely out of line.
Where was that mention, and were there estimates on the lance/star packs?
It is mentioned towards the bottom of page 13 of this same thread, Cubby made an official announcement a week out from the beginning of the Kickstarter.
There is no mention of the costs for Lance or Star packs.
Also, for Kickstarter pledgers, that $50 Pledge Level for the Clan Invasion Box *MAY* include other stuff if CGL follows the common Kickstarter theme of adding extra content to the Pledge Levels through the reaching of stretch goals...that also may very well not happen too...either way, I'm comfortable with the price...
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Aye same here RE being comfortable with the price. And yeah whilst the lore is 'only' 16 pages. There's so much lore that to include more to give a proper breadth and depth to the setting would require a tome. Folks who are not that aquainted with the setting forget that this game has a greater depth of detail and more bits and bobs than 40k, the lore goes deeper and goes from the most massive of scope down to what hobbies a leader might like to do when not running an interstellar empire.
And compared to say 40k, $50.00 for a box set isn't bad by any standards. With 40k its a case of "I could buy a tank. Or I could use the same money to buy food for a week." if you want to get something like a Monolith or Devilfish or something.
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And compared to say 40k, $50.00 for a box set isn't bad by any standards. With 40k its a case of "I could buy a tank. Or I could use the same money to buy food for a week." if you want to get something like a Monolith or Devilfish or something.
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.
A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.
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This box gives you one Star.
Well, it is billed as an expansion. It also adds Clan tech, new maps, cardboard markers for additional 'Mechs (like AGOAC), plus it is probably posited as "two lances of the original box vs a star of Clan 'Mechs" (Sartris noted earlier that BV-balanced game with these 'Mechs is quite possible).
Fit reasonably "expansion" styling, i think.
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Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.
A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.
Clans duel. You can't duel with two of five OmniMechs?
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You should be able to do a trial of position with what's in the box. :thumbsup:
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important question: Any early bird bonuses?
Hoping there isn't.
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Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.
A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.
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The Clan box is explicitly being billed as an expansion to the Game of Armoured Combat. I'd be surprised if the rulebook is standalone.
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A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield
This is open to interpretation but I’m expecting “here are the stats for these crazy new weapons. Resolve firing as normal on pg XX of the introductory rulebook” along with descriptions of new tech like pulse and lb-x. Also zell rules adapted from tw
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Makes sense. Why include the same rules twice.
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important question: Any early bird bonuses?
Hoping there isn't.
No.
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The Clan box is explicitly being billed as an expansion to the Game of Armoured Combat. I'd be surprised if the rulebook is standalone.
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"
Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.
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"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"
Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.
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I don't know of too many other *expansion* sets to a game that also contain the *basic* rules.
Why add the printing cost, weight, etec. for something that 99+% of the people who buy it as an *expansion* don't need?
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Since there Inner Mechs minis being shown. Does that open the possibly of a additional expansion with those minis?
Personally a lance of IS Mechs vs Clan Star in one box be far more interesting.
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Y'know, given the nature of Kickstarters, aren't we like the Periphery of 3049-50, getting the first looks at the Clans..?
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"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"
Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.
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Never seen expansions come with rules, example, ROBORALLY expansions:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1569/roborally-armed-and-dangerous
See pic for the Back of the box stating need to main rules to play.
Also, never seen DLC come with the full game, or back in the day of physical copies, video games with expansion packs, they never came with the full game program. Example:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/615RYP7GP0L.jpg)
Note at the bottom it says: REQUIRES MECHWARRIOR 4: VENGEANCE
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X-wing is a good example of a game that revolves entirely around expansions. With no basic rules. Of course, it shares something with collectible games i suppose.
There are also many, many board games where expansions are not standalone. Carcassonne comes to mind first.
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Carcassonne comes to mind first.
Now I just want a Battletech reskin of Carcassonne...
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Imagine a Castle Brian as pretty as Carcassonne... :drool:
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You can download the Quick Start Rules for free from the front page. Speaking as someone who has played this game when they where flat broke, it's much more accessible than many other table tops.
Up untill now, the demand has been for good plastic Minis and map packs because allot of the other stuff has been available for awhile.
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This is the longest I can remember box sets lasting (still being available this long after launch) in 10 years and there are more print runs coming when these run out.
Two years ago "almost always out of stock" was accurate; it isn't now and I doubt it will be going forward.
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"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"
Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.
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Which, if you did any digging is a flat out falsehood and misrepresentation. First, ALL of the main line rulebooks I am aware of are available as PDFs- I own a physical copy of TW but within the last few months broke down to buy TM, TacOps and . . . hm, not sure I bought StratOps but I have Campaign Ops as PDFs. CGL has also recently announced a effort to keep print runs of the core rulebooks more frequently- Total Warfare came out with a retro cover (however you feel about that), not sure about TacOps, and Tech Manual just came out with its own new cover.
Second, as mentioned there are free versions of the rules available on the website that cover a very basic simple set of rules. Its hard to imagine someone could get those rules, comfortable enough playing with them to look for expansion, and be unable to make the leap to Clan & SL gear rules.
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I'll sell Yeoman scrap to Lyrans rather than use them.
Did you get the introductory overview (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,55781.0.html)?
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I'm getting excited for Wednesday! Is it poor form to say, "woooo-woooooooooo?"
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I'm getting excited for Wednesday! Is it poor form to say, "woooo-woooooooooo?"
Yes -- it should be all caps to be a regulation WOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ;D
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Did you get the introductory overview (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,55781.0.html)?
Yeah, read that.
Indeed i got a comment in that thread too.
Though for some reason i've suggested a variant instead of just scrapping the thing right away.
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Actually, an sprue with various weapon bits would be pretty cool. I don't see it showing up in the main box since it would only be useful for people with some modeling experience, but I could totally see it as an add on. Wouldn't even care if it wasn't plastic.
If this were a higher-budget game, I’d expect plastic omnimechs to come with little holes in the arms and shoulders for magnets that allowed easy weapon swapping. Then we’d get plastic weapon pods and Battletech would become more hobby-oriented than it has been in the past.
A small proportion of players will start cutting up the plastic mechs and pinning 3d-printed weapon pods onto them. If IWM helps out… I’m not sure how well metal parts will work on lightweight, easily-toppleable plastic mechs.
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They ought to work just fine with the integrated bases. The real question is whether or not they fit the mini correctly.
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I am so incredibly hyped :D :D
Hope this sells well. I have to say that it looks really, really good from a visual and marketing standpoint.
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Leave the poor Yeoman alone. It's adorable! ;D
I guess we're not getting any more previews before the KS launch?
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No kidding about the Yeoman. Let it alone.
It's the Colonel's future Son-in-Law's ride!
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Gladiator (Executioner) Roundtable
Get up close and personal with this 360-degree look at the new Gladiator (Executioner) OmniMech. The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter launches THIS Wednesday at 1 p.m. EST / 10 p.m. PST.
https://youtu.be/GGe3ZLtQa9o
(https://i.ibb.co/B4RP4tS/Executioner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gvC7v3B)
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That is one sexy omnimech.
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Damn
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Just realised that that's 3am Thursday morning for me.
Damn... :(
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Just realised that that's 3am Thursday morning for me.
Damn... :(
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Good news! I really, really doubt there's going to be a "first four hours" prize for the month+ long kickstarter.
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Good news! I really, really doubt there's going to be a "first four hours" prize for the month+ long kickstarter.
You're right.
There'll be a first hour reward.
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Yep, definitely gonna need a Trinary of these for reasons. So far of the minis for the Clan side of things, the Executioner is one of my favorite of the redesigns. Now to see about the Mad Dog redesign in miniature format. :drool:
Come on Wednesday!
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I just want the novel and the mins. I hope that this will be an option. I do not need the whole box set. i hope the add-ons will have more machines.
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I just want the novel and the mins. I hope that this will be an option. I do not need the whole box set. i hope the add-ons will have more machines.
Almost certainly not an option, due to the weird IP rights... mess
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Almost certainly not an option, due to the weird IP rights... mess
Well since we already know they can do lance packs we know they could. Rather they will or not who knows
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You're right.
There'll be a first hour reward.
*Looks at work schedule*
... you guys really didn't need to give me a anouther reason to hate my job, my co-workers are already doing a fine jobs with that.
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Well since we already know they can do lance packs we know they could. Rather they will or not who knows
The lance packs had alpha strike stuff bundled with them. They were alpha strike expansions, from a legal perspective, that just happened to be mostly minis.
IWM can do just the minis. CGL can't, as I understand it.
Blame 2001 Weisman.
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The lance packs had alpha strike stuff bundled with them. They were alpha strike expansions, from a legal perspective, that just happened to be mostly minis.
IWM can do just the minis. CGL can't, as I understand it.
Blame 2001 Weisman.
Except they have done minis and in two days are doing a kickstarter with minis. Remember they have shown not just the box set but lance packs as well. I honestly don't think any of us knows what is or is not the extent of there license. But here you go but the minis from the box set in a lance or star pack which we know they can do because they have and problem solved.
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You're right.
There'll be a first hour reward.
I'm glad that Wednesday is a day I have off.
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You're right.
There'll be a first hour reward.
So the first hour reward isn't an "early bird bonus" as below? ???
important question: Any early bird bonuses?
Hoping there isn't.
No.
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Now I'm gonna be sitting poised to launch myself at it when it launches. What time does it launch GMT?
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It looks pretty awesome, cant wait.
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So the first hour reward isn't an "early bird bonus" as below? ???
He was being facetious.
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Now I'm gonna be sitting poised to launch myself at it when it launches. What time does it launch GMT?
5PM or thereabouts.
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That would be about 3 AM in Australia, right?
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That would be about 3 AM in Australia, right?
1 AM in Perth, 2.30 in Darwin and 3 in Brisbane, I think.
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He was being facetious.
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That was my initial thought but i still think the post could do with clarification. Maybe it's not a thing Kickstarter does but it put doubt in my mind at least.
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1 AM in Perth, 2.30 in Darwin and 3 in Brisbane, I think.
Melbourne. Given the weather we get here I don't think you'd ever want to have a 'Mech fight here.
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So, for just for completeness, we currently know of these Clan mechs, yes?
| Mech | Tonnage |
| Koshi | 25 |
| Puma | 35 |
| Grendel | 45 |
| Shadow Cat | 45 |
| Black Hawk | 50 |
| Ryoken | 55 |
| Nova Cat | 70 |
| Thor | 70 |
| Mad Cat | 75 |
| Masakari | 85 |
| Gladiator | 95 |
| Daishi | 100 |
Also, IS side of things, including the two currently available boxes.
| Mech | Tonnage |
| Locust | 20 |
| Stinger | 20 |
| Commando | 25 |
| Valkyrie | 30 |
| Phoenix Hawk | 45 |
| Griffin | 55 |
| Shadow Hawk | 55 |
| Wolverine | 55 |
| Catapult | 65 |
| Thunderbolt | 65 |
| Archer | 70 |
| Warhammer | 70 |
| Marauder | 75 |
| Awesome | 80 |
| Battlemaster | 85 |
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That would be about 3 AM in Australia, right?
Eastern Coast will be 3am and Western Coast will be 1am...
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Thanks for the Sneak Peek of the Executioner, Cubby, it looks awesome!
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He was being facetious.
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I just had a really bad day at work and had to take a jab at my co-workers, even if none of them visit this site.
I'll visit the Kickstarter we I can. Mean time, back to the coal mine.
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Wednesday can't come fast enough. The new sculpts just look fabulous.
*looks at new Executioner*
I'll take a trinary please.
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:D ONE MORE TO GO UNTIL THIS KICKSTARTER STARTS. :drool: :drool: :drool: So it starts at 1:00pm ET Wednesday July 17 2019. I can't wait.
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So the first hour reward isn't an "early bird bonus" as below? ???
No, we planned to have worms but Ray went fishing....
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As a newbie who has no idea what he's talking about, what are the odds of this new kickstarter including my most favorite mech of all, the Uziel? while the IW versions are fine, getting them in beautiful plastic would be just the best :)
It's the mech that got me interested in the universe and even if it's just so-so in the game, I'll pledge whatever I need to pledge to get that model realized.
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As a newbie who has no idea what he's talking about, what are the odds of this new kickstarter including my most favorite mech of all, the Uziel? while the IW versions are fine, getting them in beautiful plastic would be just the best :)
It's the mech that got me interested in the universe and even if it's just so-so in the game, I'll pledge whatever I need to pledge to get that model realized.
With he caveat that I have no inside info, I'd put the odds of the Uziel being in the list of minis to produce as basically nil. It's from a good 10 in-universe years after the setting of the Clan Invasion box set and doesn't fit the idiom of the minis we do know are coming.
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Sorry, bud. Zero. The Uziel is outside of the scope of this project because of how new it is in universe. it wouldn't really fit along side the other models in the boxed set.
On the bright side, the metal sculpt is very very good!
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As a newbie who has no idea what he's talking about, what are the odds of this new kickstarter including my most favorite mech of all, the Uziel? while the IW versions are fine, getting them in beautiful plastic would be just the best :)
It's the mech that got me interested in the universe and even if it's just so-so in the game, I'll pledge whatever I need to pledge to get that model realized.
I like the Uziel as well, I think I have two . . . three? now.
IF it was to appear, having in now way any official link to the company (notice, no Beemer!), you would find the Uziel a possible entry for a FedCom Civil War Expansion Box. And IMO it would make good sense for it to appear there as a popular video game cross over. Such a product is probably 2 years out.
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Well that is hugely disappointing. Still stoked for the set but did not realize the Uziel was that far removed from the invasion timeline.
Definitely appreciate the tip on IWM, though that wouldn't be my preference. Metal models are my least favorite kind of mini - between the pinning and the temperamental priming it always seems to take more work to get them finished. Cannot over-emphasize how much I appreciated the ease in getting the AGOAC set from the box to the table fully painted.
I guess I'll have to hope this KS does well enough that we can get into the next era.
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The new Uziel from IWM is one of their best minis to date. I love plastic minis and am merely "okay" with metal, but it's one of my favorite as is.
The new one, not the old one. The old one is a frog.
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The old Uziel has very weak ankles. One of them broke in its case, just from moving around.
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The new Uziel from IWM is one of their best minis to date. I love plastic minis and am merely "okay" with metal, but it's one of my favorite as is.
The new one, not the old one. The old one is a frog.
so that's why i subconsciously chose green/brown camo for the original sculpt
The old Uziel has very weak ankles. One of them broke in its case, just from moving around.
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the uziel and chimera are charter members of the Chronic Ankle Instability gang.
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He was being facetious.
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EDIT: Checking, I may be working off of outdated information.
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*mutters while making a note* check in at noon . . . roger!
Simon, I bought one of the older sculpt built Uziel 8S and just bought a -2S because that is the one I really like, it was not until I got it home that I noticed the new -2S is significantly beefier. I have not pulled it out of the blister yet, but I think its a LOT bigger than the previous one.
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It is. The 2S and 8S sculpts are significantly beefier than the original.
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Hm, I would swear I have a 8S on the old model, have to compare them when I get home.
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EDIT: Checking, I may be working off of outdated information.
Could you clarify? First you said there was no early bird specials, but then you implied theres something for backing during the first hour. This is confusing. ??? I'd really hate to miss out on something cool just because i can't afford to take a day off from work.
And to further confuse me, what the post said and what I got when I hit the quote button are too different things. :o
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Could you clarify? First you said there was no early bird specials, but then you implied theres something for backing during the first hour. This is confusing. ???
Ray said there were no early bird specials, not Cubby.
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Ray said there were no early bird specials, not Cubby.
Woops, my bad.
Still though, conflicting messages from grey beemers.
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Woops, my bad.
Still though, conflicting messages from grey beemers.
Cubby is aware it is conflicting and is checking.
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There are no early bird specials.
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Given it's the 17th already here, Aussies and Kiwis should have scooped the non-existant early bird specials ;)
CURSE YOU, INTERNATIONAL RESCUE DATELINE!
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Our friends Mitch and Jordan at Harebrained Schemes prepared a special video of support (https://youtu.be/PmrBusbPTW0) for our upcoming Clan Invasion Kickstarter, launching tomorrow!
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There are no early bird specials.
you don't even get your money taken first
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Will the site on Kickstarter go up before the campaign goes live, so we can be logged in and ready to go?
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Will the site on Kickstarter go up before the campaign goes live, so we can be logged in and ready to go?
Yes, this can be helpful.
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to do list tonight . . .
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to do list tonight . . .
Make sure you get some sleep lol.
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eh . . . 4 the night before, 3-ish last night . . . I just need to figure out how to log in tonight so I can jump in when its live. Any record goals for a project our size we should aim for?
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(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/818/I_have_3_dollars.jpg)
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Our friends Mitch and Jordan at Harebrained Schemes prepared a special video of support (https://youtu.be/PmrBusbPTW0) for our upcoming Clan Invasion Kickstarter, launching tomorrow!
That's extremely neat.
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Our friends Mitch and Jordan at Harebrained Schemes prepared a special video of support (https://youtu.be/PmrBusbPTW0) for our upcoming Clan Invasion Kickstarter, launching tomorrow!
LoL
I remember the "Dirty Filthy Cheating Clanners" Master & Minions battle with Mitch and Jordan a few years ago...Mitch & jordan's Axeman/hatchetman and two other IS mechs versus 4 Nova Cats...so much butt-hurt!
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LoL
I remember the "Dirty Filthy Cheating Clanners" Master & Minions battle with Mitch and Jordan a few years ago...Mitch & jordan's Axeman/hatchetman and two other IS mechs versus 4 Nova Cats...so much butt-hurt!
I was fortunate enough to paint Jordan's mini's for that game in Team Banzai colors. I had a nice chat with them during.
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I was fortunate enough to paint Jordan's mini's for that game in Team Banzai colors. I had a nice chat with them during.
Then you remember Jordan falling in a heap at my feet from his Failed DFA and cooking off his ammo with a self-imposed Critical hit.
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Well these all look fantastic. I'm realizing I've yet to get any of the new plastic miniatures from the two recent boxes. I'll have to solve that as I wait for a chance to help fund this project.
I'm here for those gorgeous OmniMechs, mainly. Gonna be time for the Smoke Jaguars to ride again.
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EDIT: Checking, I may be working off of outdated information.
There are no early bird specials.
Thank you for the clarification. I figured it was worth asking. :)
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Then you remember Jordan falling in a heap at my feet from his Failed DFA and cooking off his ammo with a self-imposed Critical hit.
I remember some failure lol. The next year I played him and AJ. My fellow minions softened him up and I was able to head cap his Hellstar.
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(https://i.imgur.com/EdA5USG.jpg)
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10 hours to go.
Really hope the current two starter boxes and new map sets are add-ons. :)
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Why would they be add ons? You can go buy them right now.
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A lot of Kickstarters put in existing products as add-ons, sometimes things from previous Kickstarters and other times standard products they already sell.
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Why would they be add ons? You can go buy them right now.
Bundled shipping? Limited run product?
In a case like this one, well people always complain about faction dice being GenCon only, this could be a way around that.
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A lot of Kickstarters put in existing products as add-ons, sometimes things from previous Kickstarters and other times standard products they already sell.
Pros and Cons in this case. While inclusion of existing boxes would help to drive up the pledges (and hence the optics of a successful Kickstarters -- again, pros and cons on that one), the boxes have to come out of stock, which depletes the availability to stores (and hence outreach). Unless intent is to make a special run of the two boxes for this KS.
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Boxes wouldn't need to come from stock as they wouldn't need to ship until everything else is ready. People putting them as add-ons could even help hone in on required numbers. :)
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Bundled shipping? Limited run product?
In a case like this one, well people always complain about faction dice being GenCon only, this could be a way around that.
It's no indicator that it will happen this time, but the Sprawl Ops Kickstarter had a selection of Shadowrun rulebooks, board games, and merch as options in the backerkit. This wasn't made known before the backerkit went live. So if it is the case for this campaign, we won'd know for a couple of months.
As as usual, this pose is entirely speculation, and contains no insider information
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As as usual, this pose is entirely speculation, and contains no insider information
That's a very funny typo.
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What, you don't have a speculative pose?
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It's more a a pose is a stance, a position, so it kinda fits.
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What, you don't have a speculative pose?
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6f9c947321f4fce8290ef393b913cfee/tumblr_inline_od8fi2f8SA1rwqb8i_540.png)
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What time does it go live? It’s 5 am and I can’t believe I woke up to check this.
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What time does it go live? It’s 5 am and I can’t believe I woke up to check this.
0800 on east coast ... was looking too.
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What time does it go live? It’s 5 am and I can’t believe I woke up to check this.
1PM PST
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Thank you. I can chill for a bit
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I'll check on my lunch break.
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The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter goes live next Wednesday, July 17 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 10 a.m. Pacific!
Last line of
https://bg.battletech.com/news/sneak-peek-battletech-clan-invasion-boxed-set-contents/
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Getting ready
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I prepped the new employee I’m orienting today that I may be a bit distracted. Gonna be tough to keep my finger off F5 once I’ve signed up and dumped in my initial investment to see if we hit any stretch goals today.
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Working a night shift so I don't get to time warp. Been having the little kid the night before Christmas feeling for over 12 hours.
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Tad over 3 hours now. Why can't it be 1 already!!!
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So there's no Kickstarter page for this yet?
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(https://i.imgur.com/5T7jKrm.jpg)
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So there's no Kickstarter page for this yet?
BYE
the page won't be visible until it goes live.
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Will the direct link be posted here? or should we search on kickstarter?
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Will the direct link be posted here? or should we search on kickstarter?
There should be one here posted by somebody when it goes live. But Kickstarter will also have it as well.
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Will the direct link be posted here? or should we search on kickstarter?
I can't imagine them not linking the page here.
This is the first time participating in a kickstarter. First time I've truly wanted to join in, actually. Hard to believe I'm sitting here like a kid on Christmas morning waiting impatiently to open my presents.
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And today Battletech fans learn how it feels for Reaper fans...
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And today Battletech fans learn how it feels for Reaper fans...
Not our first time spamming F5 for a battletech product 😉. Just got off work, decided to go to a local diner and drink coffee and eat breakfast while I wait. When it goes live I'll have just enough time before the coffee crash to throw money.
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2.5hrs to go, but it's 12:30am and I have work in the morning.
Have fun kids. I'll rejoin you in a few hours. :D
BYE
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I'll be posting links to the KS in this thread, in new releases, on all CGL/BT social media platforms, and on the main website.
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F5 . . .
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F5 . . .
... to pay respects.
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Internetz pro-tip:Create (or validate) your KickStarter account sooner than the "go live" timeframe so you don't have to juggle the log-in at that time when it does.
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I've been logged in and sporadically refreshing the Catalyst page on Kickstarter for the last hour. :)
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Just remember everyone, while it's fun to get caught up and want to pledge and everything quickly, no money changes hands until the end of the campaign, so there's plenty of time to peruse the page, figure out what you can afford, and go on from there.
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And when deciding what you can afford, remember: Toilet paper is expensive. Real warriors use pinecones. :)
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And when deciding what you can afford, remember: Toilet paper is expensive. Real warriors use pinecones. :)
Pinecones are Sphereoid decadance!
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Just remember everyone, while it's fun to get caught up and want to pledge and everything quickly, no money changes hands until the end of the campaign, so there's plenty of time to peruse the page, figure out what you can afford, and go on from there.
Just want to highlight this.
Look, there's a lot to grok on this page, with a lot of levels already shown and more to come. Take your time, and ask any questions you might have in the KS comments page. (Or here, if need be, but the KS page might be more helpful to others!)
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Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?
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Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?
I believe that is exactly what the pledge manager function is for, yes.
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... to pay respects.
And to move legs
and to speak
and to throw head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibu5YE83zEg
&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDWbN6MYsaY
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Man, I start work at 10am. Wonder if my boss wouldn't mint a 5 minute late punch hahah.
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Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?
Or the reverse.
But yes, I believe that's the case.
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Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?
Yes, but it has to be real money -- they frown upon you pledging Monoply money......
Craig
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Not having done a kickstarter, if I pledge, say, $20 can I later up that to, say, $1,000,000?
You can raise, lower, (and I think cancel and reinstate) your pledge as often as you like during the campaign. And as ActionButler notes, the Pledge Manager/Backerkit that will open after the campaign ends will let you pay more in if you want/need to.
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Yes, but it has to be real money -- they frown upon you pledging Monoply money......
Craig
What about those cool replica Imperial coins from the old Star Wars Monopoly set? How do we think they feel about those?
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I'm hoping for a spike in the value of Bitcoin in about 30 days time...
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Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.
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Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.
Indeed. Pledge what you can afford. Don't be that guy/girl/*insert gender here*
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Gonna take a looong lunch.
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Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.
I'm reasonably sure you didn't used to be able to de-pledge enough to reduce below a goal level. Has that changed?
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;D Today is the day 40 minute to go. Well I' m Kickstarter vet here. I got burned :bang: by one which was my first one. Done 3 CAV they deliver if China don't jack them in production. The others so I 'm some what happy so far. I' am not a superbacker that for sure. Start out small and see what happen and DON'T GO CRAZY WITH THE MONEY. Relax ride it out. So it begin we see what happen.
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I'm reasonably sure you didn't used to be able to de-pledge enough to reduce below a goal level. Has that changed?
Can't say, as I've never tried to do it.
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So is it just me, or are we 28 minutes from Kickstarter time? My boss just asked me why I have my credit card out on my desk! :drool:
Cheers,
Mad
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Note: Spiking your pledge really high to unlock stretch goals and then reducing afterwards is an incredibly bad thing to do. Not only is it a jerk move, but you could feasibly disrupt the entire kickstarter by making the company pledge to do something and then deny them the money they need to actively do it.
Also a good way to get banned from kickstarter.
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We have exceeded most values for "Soon" and are rapidly approaching unity with "Now"...I have commenced F5-ing my Kickstarter search for "Battletech".
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5 minutes . . .
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Can't say, as I've never tried to do it.
A minimal amount of research on my part turned up Confrontation – Classic, which managed to end with ~2/3 the pledge money it initially gained. Looking at the goals and the cash they have to achieve them, I can see why.
That said, I'm fairly sure somebody tried that in an early reaper kickstarter and couldn't retract the money (My heart bleeds.)
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:o EVERYONE PLEASE relax it just Battletech Clan box set. 8)
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I'll relax when Marauders are in my hand!
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30 seconds... lol
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Nevermind.
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The invasion is here - the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter is now LIVE!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion)
(https://i.ibb.co/KDYZnGq/BT-Kickstarter-Banner-Graphic-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0mspBq)
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I want my Warhammer
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lol, 1 minute in- 19% funded!
edit- lol, 2 minutes and watch those numbers wind, 12k+
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Wow...
Anybody in for the Full Kerensky?
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It was live before it went live me thinks.. 1:00 and almost $500 pledged
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Backer #63! Woot!
And backed at the $300 Level -So....they shipping out tomorrow...right?
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BATTLE ARMOR STRETCH GOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
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It was live before it went live me thinks.. 1:00 and almost $500 pledged
No, believe it or not. I was on with Randall when he pushed "the Button," it went live at 1 p.m. EST as planned.
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Better than halfway already.
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backer #116, backed at the Bloodnamed level.
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Pledged!
Now to go back and see what I pledged for...
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Annnnnnnnd, $30,000 breached.
Congratulations, guys!
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Catalyst: If you fund in an hour...
Us BT fans: HOLD OUR BEER! :thumbsup:
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Like the levels . . .
wow, over $35k in the first 7 minutes- goal hit
Now that I have put my money up I can look at the details, lol
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Pledged!
Now to go back and see what I pledged for...
LoL...that was me, and now I've upped my Pledge...Good thing I did 5 Hours of Overtime last night - That almost paid for it right there!
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8 minutes and $45,000
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The goal has already been met. Mainly because it was set too damned low IMO
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Made the goal in less than 8 minutes.
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Welp, that's me in.
I'll wait now to see what the stretch goals open up, and what sort of bonus pledge extras there are.
I'm mostly in it for the IS lances, and timberwolf, but the shadowcat is also one I like.
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A lot of people were ready to bid, I see.
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I'm gonna put a pledge in now just to get it in my kickstarter account, but there are some pretty serious 'Whale' options on there that are tempting me. Gonna have to have a chat with the wife this evening!
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Made the goal in less than 8 minutes.
I was still trying to figure how much to donate....and now I might not have too.
Never been a part of a kick starter.
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And that's $60,000 breached.
Those shiny new plastic Elementals will be mine.
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To everyone who has pledged, to everyone who will:
Thank you.
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$95 pledged! Now to find out what's in it.
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I went with Star Colonel. Happy to be a part of it all.
Glad I didn't go nuts on Prime day this year. Also glad I bought my wife a new iPad. ;)
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You mean 67,000 now. ;)
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And I’m a Star Colonel
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Pledged!
Damon.
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13 minutes in, and I'm pretty sure the goal should have been 90k.
Catalyst, you cheap date you.
*Hugs*
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Star Captain (bleh, I feel dirty using Clan terminology...) Azakael reporting in.
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Okay, I have to say I really really like the art & layout for the proposal.
So far we are up to Clan Command Star and Elementals . . . 100k for Marauders, woo hoo!
How do I know what backer # I was? Lol, I want to add it to my sig!
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OMG! even though I'm Canadian, so price/goal etc in Canadian dollars on my Kickstarer, I can't even accurately track the total, as it keeps rolling over. Right now just under $100k Canadian, or around $75k US
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yall nuts
especially the two people already in for the full kerensky. i have never been more envious in my entire life
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Believe it or not, I just found out that my credit card has expired - apparently, when they sent me a new one last year I kept the old one and threw away the new one. :P
I used credit card a lot for online shopping a while back but switched over to PayPal almost exclusively... so I didn't realize until now that I kept the wrong card. Gah.
31 days left to sort it out.
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battle for Tukkayid map pack. Clan homeworld battlemap.
*Images, please*
Lets stop pretending they aren't going to be reached. If the battlemat is breached I might go to star Colonel. *edit - did it.
Mar 2020 is... a bit aggressive as a delivery date. you guys give yourselves any padding for slip, or is that maximal optimism?
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OK, so the Kickstarter page says $105K+ is unknown....Ummm....You guys are almost at $95k....and it is STILL climbing!
Were you prepared for this level of fever?
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yall nuts
especially the two people already in for the full kerensky. i have never been more envious in my entire life
I am not one of them, but I did just TXT my wife to let her know it was a thing...we will see how she reacts! Khan might be more realistic since I'm usually at Origins or GenCon anyway.
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It's gona hit $100K within the next 5 minutes
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I think most of the design stuff was already in line, indications- TO ME and unofficially- is that they had done all the product development and this was funding the actual production costs.
20 minutes in, 476 backers and $94.5k . . . I feel safe predicting Marauders! . . . 120k, Warhammers?
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Marauder is now in
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Just hit 100K US !
WOOOOOT. What does that get us?
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WOW!!
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Just hit 100K US !
WOOOOOT. What does that get us?
More stretch goals. Working on it.
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I'm now in!
And as I type this, it hit 100k! I think there's some excitement about this.
I'm curious about one thing. How do the addons work?
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yall nuts
especially the two people already in for the full kerensky. i have never been more envious in my entire life
All the Star Colonel's are taken...so glad I nabbed mine. :thumbsup:
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That Star Colonel sounds tempting, even if it meant another of the Morris bloodline met a bloody end. :-)
I'd need more OT for that though.
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Just hit 100K US !
WOOOOOT. What does that get us?
Marauders. Wasps. Stingers. Archers. They're back! :drool:
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Gotta say, I luv the Idea of the 'BLIND SALVAGE' box :D
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Every single stretch goal on this Kickstarter was met in 20 minutes.
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Sooo... Next stretch goal for Warhammer, Phoenix Hawk, Wasp, Rifleman?
Does anyone know if new art was ever finished for the Longbow?
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MARADAAAAA!!!
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Every single stretch goal on this Kickstarter was met in 20 minutes.
Holy cow. Of all the Kickstarters I've been involved with this is the fastest I've ever seen one blow through ALL the stretch goals. :)
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At this stage I'm hoping a stretch goal is more elementals in the base box.
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Okay, so I am new to this and some of the wording . . .
I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too. Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?
The dice and lance/star packs in the add-on area have the locked symbols over them.
. . . holy crap, only 1 Kerensky left?!
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Just hit 100K US !
WOOOOOT. What does that get us?
I don't know! But the Inner Sphere Battle Lance has to be up here somewhere!
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I'm proud of the community for meeting the goals. I think that with so many of us working (and some of us multiple jobs) has the added benefit of allowing us to contribute to a kickstarter.
Thank you to everyone!
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Great googly moogly! It was going up so fast I couldn't keep up! Well done all, well done CGL!!!
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i want to go at the base level to get the box and a-la-carte everything afterwords but i am also *extremely* tempted by the vanity option of a canon character
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Holy cow. Of all the Kickstarters I've been involved with this is the fastest I've ever seen one blow through ALL the stretch goals. :)
Because it's the Clan Invasion of Kickstarter! :thumbsup:
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All the Star Colonel's are taken...so glad I nabbed mine. :thumbsup:
I thought the only limited one was The Full Kerensky. Everything else looks unlimited as far as I can tell.
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I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too. Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?
My understanding is that you will get to pick two and those two will be doubled. Probably done just in case the other box(es?) later in the stretch goals don't get unlocked, since there were two that were shown for sure.
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We didn't dare refuse THIS Batchal!
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Holy cow. Of all the Kickstarters I've been involved with this is the fastest I've ever seen one blow through ALL the stretch goals. :)
Not nearly all of them. Many many more coming.
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we just blew through all the gates before they could upload the new image
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I thought the only limited one was The Full Kerensky. Everything else looks unlimited as far as I can tell.
Yeah, I don;t see that Star Col. is limitd either -- which is a good thing, because depending on how my finances are by the end of the Kickstarter, I might go up from Bloodnamed for the 10x Classics and a chance to get a pilot canonized :)
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I do hope my Nova Kitties are one of the challenge coin options.
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Okay, so I am new to this and some of the wording . . .
I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too. Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?
From the Kickstarter:
DOUBLE FORCES: for every Star Pack or Lance Pack you select as a reward, we will send you a second copy of that item! (Clan Invasion box and add-on purchases do not double.)
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Okay, so I am new to this and some of the wording . . .
I grabbed a Star Colonel, so I know that means I will get the Clan box, coin and faction pack . . . then it says 2 Star/Lance packs, but says double too. Does that mean I get to pick two star packs and then I will get two of each, or does it already include that line?
The dice and lance/star packs in the add-on area have the locked symbols over them.
. . . holy crap, only 1 Kerensky left?!
If I'm reading it right it doubles the pledge reward, so 2x Star/Lance Packs becomes 4. Add-ons do not double though, only the pledge number. The double forces info is listed in the Bloodnamed pledge.
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I thought the only limited one was The Full Kerensky. Everything else looks unlimited as far as I can tell.
Hmmm....I guess it is unlimited when I looked it was the level I backed, not in the lower list, and was sitting at a nice round 60-backers.
Color me embarrassed! :-[
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I feel like the Full Kerensky should also come with two eggs cooked to your choice, two strips of bacon, and a side of hasbrowns,
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Star Captain Silverline is ready to crush some spheroid scum, I'm just waiting eagerly for more stretch goals - I need a Mad Dog in my Trinary!
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I feel like the Full Kerensky should also come with two eggs cooked to your choice, two strips of bacon, and a side of hasbrowns,
It's eggs, bacon, porridge, beans, grilled tomato, black pudding, borscht, blinis and vodka, right?
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:o :o :o Well I'am done now I took Star Colonel package after I change from Bloodnamed. WOW!!! Its over $116,000.00 when I last look. I feel like I was just shot out from under my mech and got ejected . I didn't see this coming I wonder whats going on at Cat lab right now. :thumbsup:
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I'm in at Bloodnamed. I'm still debating going to Star Colonel, although the canon character doesn't interest me too much.
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Ogre, I can read but the line above said 2x which is doubling . . .
How about the Social Media stuff?
140k from 725 people in 35 minutes . . . lol, website says 430+% funded.
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Probably hit 175k by or before 2pm EST
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Not nearly all of them. Many many more coming.
Don't stretch too far though, you've done amazing but don't wanna overwork yaselves. But still this is AMAZING! Bloody well done! :)
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Poor Cubby... by the time he gets the stretch goals updated he will need to update them again lol
And the unlocked goods :thumbsup:
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Holy hell, that was very quick. Hope to see some good stuff come out of the extra money. WARSHIPS!!!
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Poor Cubby... by the time he gets the stretch goals updated he will need to update them again lol
And the unlocked goods :thumbsup:
Not me, but yes - the designer is working hard to update the graphic, but y'all keep unlocking stuff.
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So...anyone got any pics of Randall, Loren, and Brent at the moment the reality of what was going on dawned on them? :)
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So...anyone got any pics of Randall, Loren, and Brent at the moment the reality of what was going on dawned on them? :)
Randall went radio silent with me after about four minutes, so I assume he went immediately into triage mode - I'm focused mostly on the comms channels, trying to keep up with questions and social media.
Fair to say, this...exceeded expectations.
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Is a way to use PayPal with this Kickstarter?
I want to go Bloodnamed with lots of add-ons.
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Damnit Cubby! Did you not trust us? Why must the stretch goals stop at $105K! It hasn't even been an hour!
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Question to Cubby did you think this going happen like this? WOW!
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Is a way to use PayPal with this Kickstarter?
I want to go Bloodnamed with lots of add-ons.
I don't know if its direct via KS or not, but I know CMON accepted paypal during the Zombicide Green Horde KS. How they did it I have no idea...
It may be something CGL would have to handle offsite and update ???
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I'm honestly not suprised by this at all. For all there is a vocal group that hates everything to do with the Clans. I think most people like them well enough, and much like the HBS PC game? We're at peak nostalgia for people who grew up with Battletech, so people have money to spare and definitely want in on stuff like this!
I wouldn't be shocked if this hit well over a million, or even 2 million by the end. Maybe a tad surprised at the latter, but not shocked at all. Especially as new stretch goals add new add-ons for people to throw even more money at. I mean, I can already say I'll add on a star of elementals at the bare minimum.
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So...anyone got any pics of Randall, Loren, and Brent at the moment the reality of what was going on dawned on them? :)
OH yes we need pics of them when the first 5 minutes of this KS.
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Damnit Cubby! Did you not trust us? Why must the stretch goals stop at $105K! It hasn't even been an hour!
More coming. Our designer can't update the unlock graphic fast enough.
Question to Cubby did you think this going happen like this? WOW!
I can only speak for myself, but: in terms of speed and number of backers, yes, in terms of amount, no.
I personally didn't think anyone would go for the Full Kerensky at all, and they're all gone in an hour.
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Can we at least get a picture of the CGL: BattleTech staff smiling? You guys have to be pleased as punch by the turnout and dedication of the fans!
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$175k now. My goodness, it's almost blown through your $200k speculative graphic before the update. That's some velocity.
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I'm honestly not suprised by this at all. For all there is a vocal group that hates everything to do with the Clans. I think most people like them well enough, and much like the HBS PC game? We're at peak nostalgia for people who grew up with Battletech, so people have money to spare and definitely want in on stuff like this!
I wouldn't be shocked if this hit well over a million, or even 2 million by the end. Maybe a tad surprised at the latter, but not shocked at all. Especially as new stretch goals add new add-ons for people to throw even more money at. I mean, I can already say I'll add on a star of elementals at the bare minimum.
kicktraq says trending 1.5 million. That said, in my observations 'traq tends to be optimistic this early.
https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/
Hoping the final boxes for the lance/star pack are smaller than the graphic. Those are oversize for what they contain.
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I am happy with what they offered, its better to roll out manageable stuff than promise things for a unrealistic level. Its a first time for BT in this, next time when they offer the FedCom Civil War Expansion KS it might be able to keep up with the first day.
Is the Proliferation Cycle novellas going to be released to us print or digitally? The scenarios specifically say digitally, but the books do not.
Right now I am figuring for the Add-Ons, a pair of Salvage Boxes and extra dice.
Kerenskys are gone . . . and nearly 6 times the original goal in less than a hour. And half the world is sleeping!
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Can we at least get a picture of the CGL: BattleTech staff smiling? You guys have to be pleased as punch by the turnout and dedication of the fans!
At Gen Con, maybe. Otherwise it'd be a lot of Photoshop.
But yes, once again: to everyone who has pledged and everyone who will - thank you.
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I'm picturing Cubby and the rest of the staff furiously laying down train tracks as a steaming locomotive is rapidly approaching from behind them.
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So. Question: Is there any way to get multiples of the clan box Star without purchasing multiples the full box?
I mean with any of the double forces options it seems a bit unbalanced force wise to have that star the only one not doubled.
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I'm picturing Cubby and the rest of the staff furiously laying down train tracks as a steaming locomotive is rapidly approaching from behind them.
Fortunately, stretch goals were planned well up the line - nothing is being made up on the fly now. And it looks like the initial rush is slowing down a bit, no surprise there.
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kicktraq says trending 1.5 million. That said, in my observations 'traq tends to be optimistic this early.
https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/
Hoping the final boxes for the lance/star pack are smaller than the graphic. Those are oversize for what they contain.
The best bet will be after the first three days. there's some kickstarter logic where the last 3 days end up being around half what the first three days are. And roughly a certain amount (That's the fact I'm forgetting) trickles in between them. But the first 3 and last 3 definitely account for the large majority of a kickstarter.
Of course, with massive amounts of add ons and such that can get skewed extra weirdly.
That all being said, yeah this early the tracker can't be relied on at all!
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Fortunately, stretch goals were planned well up the line - nothing is being made up on the fly now. And it looks like the initial rush is slowing down a bit, no surprise there.
Excellent planning :) You guys and gals and all ships at sea are really on the ball here :)
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The best bet will be after the first three days. there's some kickstarter logic where the last 3 days end up being around half what the first three days are. And roughly a certain amount (That's the fact I'm forgetting) trickles in between them. But the first 3 and last 3 definitely account for the large majority of a kickstarter.
Of course, with massive amounts of add ons and such that can get skewed extra weirdly.
That all being said, yeah this early the tracker can't be relied on at all!
now it's saying trending towards 5 mil. I'm discounting that, but...
Hey, cubby, how far did you say you had stretch goals planned?
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That all being said, yeah this early the tracker can't be relied on at all!
Yeah. This exactly. It's currently projecting $5.8 million. That would be astounding if it happened, but I don't see that happening.
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I'd say $185,000 U.S. was just a tad more than they expected.
In the first HOUR. :thumbsup:
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Excellent planning :) You guys and gals and all ships at sea are really on the ball here :)
I agree. You guys are doing a great job. :thumbsup:
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Hey, cubby, how far did you say you had stretch goals planned?
I didn't. I don't want to set an artificial ceiling in the first hour.
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I didn't. I don't want to set an artificial ceiling in the first hour.
rhetorical question. Although I'm guessing they'd have to make stuff up on the fly if it hit 5 mil
Come on, I want plastic hollanders... [/joke]
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Just broke $200k.
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And it looks like the initial rush is slowing down a bit, no surprise there.
There’s no more money to spend it’s all gone.
There might be some charm in stretch goals on the fly.
Randall: pledge 10k and you can... uh... have my PERSONAL car painted in... davion guards colors!
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Last time I'll act like a human bean counter:
$200,000 US in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Bonkers!
:) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Last time I'll act like a human bean counter:
$200,000 US in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Bonkers!
:) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
That is amazing. COngrats!!
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poor graphics guy. he updates the stretch goals to $200k, which have already been met
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Yes, next lance box Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Rifleman, and Wasp!
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SCORE! Already 2 points of Elementals in the main box! This bodes well for a full star of them in addition to the main mech star! This makes me super happy.
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Damnit Cubby! Did you not trust us? Why must the stretch goals stop at $105K! It hasn't even been an hour!
To be honest, I'm happy with the stretch goals as they are, at least for now.
Having a bit of excess cash in the system offers up a bit of leeway in case of unforeseen circumstances....which can happen as CGL have recently seen.
Having said that, this is definitely a very good result and should do well to putting BT back at the top of the gaming scene. I don't think I've seen a Kickstarter where the pledge amount were changing that fast.
As for further pledge levels, improving the box set may be an idea....expanding the Clan primer for example. Or a short story or scenario for each Clan.
One thing I would like to see is a Quick Start Alpha Strike rules added to the box set here.
Other options might be pdfs of existing Clan sourcebooks, or promises to update the Clan Phoenix designs.
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Hmm, question about the Reinforcements unlocks. The level 1 version says that one of the three reserve Clans will be selected to join the existing options, while Level 2 says that the senior lever backers will select a second. Does this mean that the level 1 will be a more open vote or will only the senior level guys be voting in both?
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Hmm, question about the Reinforcements unlocks. The level 1 version says that one of the three reserve Clans will be selected to join the existing options, while Level 2 says that the senior lever backers will select a second. Does this mean that the level 1 will be a more open vote or will only the senior level guys be voting in both?
I *believe* it's the former, an open vote, but I'll need to check. Adding this to my list of questions for later, I...don't expect to get a response on this stuff for awhile yet.
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are the tukayyid battlefield map goals for making battlemats out of the map pack? or will the maps just be offered as singles? i'm unclear about what that means
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Still going up. At this point all the hard-core fans have pledged & now the word has to spread through the webz to the rest of the community. I expect it to keep going up, just not as fast as in the initial rush.
I may increase my pledge later. I pledged my level to get my "foot in the door" & see what add-ons I want to do. That'll be the final decision on how much I pay into it.
Damon.
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There’s no more money to spend it’s all gone.
Half the world is asleep still, lol. And in the US, working . . . though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.
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I'd say we have a pretty good idea what some of the other stretch goals will be too.
Looks like every 20k or so (from the 115k on) is new Tuk battle maps. Probably one more elemental in each 100k bracket somewhere.
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Half the world is asleep still, lol. And in the US, working . . . though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.
didn't set special alarms smh
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though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.
My master plan.
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Gargoyle, Viper, Hellbringer, Mad Dog and Ice Ferret . . . well, the Wolves are covered for mechs!
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Half the world is asleep still, lol. And in the US, working . . . though quite interesting it set up for lunch in East & Central.
So do you thinking all the working US folks have pledged or do you think there will be another huge push after 5pm EST?
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So do you thinking all the working US folks have pledged or do you think there will be another huge push after 5pm EST?
With regular product releases, we generally see a little bump around then, and continuing through 5 p.m. PST, as people get off work.
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I *believe* it's the former, an open vote, but I'll need to check. Adding this to my list of questions for later, I...don't expect to get a response on this stuff for awhile yet.
Thanks Cubby!
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Damn it, new stretch goals make me have to toss in another $25 bucks . . .
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Friggin $237,554!!!
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So do you thinking all the working US folks have pledged or do you think there will be another huge push after 5pm EST?
Honestly at this point, I'd just say sit back and watch. :popcorn:
There will likely be some people who can't get to it until after work today, or until tomorrow morning depending on their work schedule. My suggestion is to see where it is after 24-30 hours live after it's had a chance to circle through the planet.
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Poor Stretch goal person, might actually get the next set up before it hits 300k. ;)
But maybe not. I'm hoping we'll see everything to 500k by 5pm, given the end of workday crowd and euros, then let them get a nice break for the night and new updates tomorrow.
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Gargoyle, Viper, Hellbringer, Mad Dog and Ice Ferret . . . well, the Wolves are covered for mechs!
We have the Dire Wolf, Storm Crow and Mist Lynx in the Command Star. About all the Jags are missing now would be the Warhawk
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We have the Dire Wolf, Storm Crow and Mist Lynx in the Command Star. About all the Jags are missing now would be the Warhawk
And a good light mech. Rim-shot!
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BTW, at current back levels, it looks like CGL will need 1,300 Beginners Boxes to ship in March. So if we double that number for the final tally.....
"John? I think we need to find another factory...."
:) :D :D :D
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Whelp, I couldn't resist -- I went ahead and sprung for the promotion to Star Colonel. Can I at least call myself Force Commander (given my Marik sympathies) :) ?
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Whelp, I couldn't resist -- I went ahead and sprung for the promotion to Star Colonel. Can I at least call myself Force Commander (given my Marik sympathies) :) ?
Actually, yes. I believe you can choose IS ranks of the equivalent Clan rank or lower.
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just broke 250K
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I don't usually do kick-starter so I have a question on how things work. Can someone help me understand the "add-ons". Is this something that will selected at a later date? Or are add-ons triggered by your pledge level?
example:
$200,000 - Inner Sphere Battle Lance Unlocked!
Four more etc etc. This lance pack may be selected with your backer level Star/Lance Pack reward and will also be available as an add-on.
So, does this mean that if for example, I chose "Star Captain", I will get the Clan invasion box set + 2 star/lance packs of my choice (for sake of argument = inner sphere command lance and clan heavy striker pack). But then, I at some point (if the $200,000 is reached), I will be able to amend my order to add the Inner sphere battle lance at an additional cost?
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The goals through 300k are up. Though I was wrong about guessing there'd be a third point of elementals in the core box in this group.
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Whelp, I couldn't resist -- I went ahead and sprung for the promotion to Star Colonel. Can I at least call myself Force Commander (given my Marik sympathies) :) ?
Good point, Leftenant Colonel sounds better than Star Colonel to me!
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I went in for $95. Most I could justify to myself to spend.
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It is so nice to see the numbers rolling. And going up and up and up. Wow. And the 5 full Kerensky have been covered. Incredible!
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The goals through 300k are up. Though I was wrong about guessing there'd be a third point of elementals in the core box in this group.
Inner Sphere Direct Fire lance at $300k looks amazing! New Crusader and Marauder II. Squeeeeeeeee
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Over 225 characters to name… looks like we’ll be getting a phone book in novel format =p.
I do hope we end up with the reinforcing clans added to the dice options.
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Please...no more...my account can't take it...
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Pledged Galaxy Commander. Don't think I'll be proximate to any of the strategy meetings. Bidding my money where my mech is. Told Y'all I'd go whole hog on a Kickstarter.
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Over 225 characters to name… looks like we’ll be getting a phone book in novel format =p.
I do hope we end up with the reinforcing clans added to the dice options.
The only thing that I can imagine is having an full TO&E of the Clans of just before the Clan invasion.
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Any answer on the novellas? Print or ebook in August?
And I just noticed, the IS Lance as a reward gets a Salvage Box which works out nicely. If I was able to convince my wife to go up to Star Colonel, would it be possible to select IS Retaliation for of one of the 5 double Lance/Star slots?
Numbers are also interesting . . . 8 merchants (might be good to give them a shout out at some point on Social Media), 488 Star Captains, 349 Bloodnamed, 185 Star Colonels, and the 41 lurking ComStar monitors.
Oh, next spring or early summer is looking AWESOME. So far . . . 35 plastic mechs and 2 Elementals.
When does the money get taken? I think I need to change the Birthday & Christmas list for the wife . . . maybe sell some plasma . . .
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Any answer on the novellas? Print or ebook in August?
And I just noticed, the IS Lance as a reward gets a Salvage Box which works out nicely. If I was able to convince my wife to go up to Star Colonel, would it be possible to select IS Retaliation for of one of the 5 double Lance/Star slots?
Numbers are also interesting . . . 8 merchants (might be good to give them a shout out at some point on Social Media), 488 Star Captains, 349 Bloodnamed, 185 Star Colonels, and the 41 lurking ComStar monitors.
Oh, next spring or early summer is looking AWESOME. So far . . . 35 plastic mechs and 2 Elementals.
When does the money get taken? I think I need to change the Birthday & Christmas list for the wife . . . maybe sell some plasma . . .
Yup, I've got two kidneys, rumor is I only need one......
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Wow this thread blew up. Went Star Colonel here. Great job everyone! :D
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In for star commander, plan on going star col. Before all's said and done.
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If I was able to convince my wife to go up to Star Colonel
Better man than I. I just went for it and will explain / plead forgiveness later. it's going to be $400+ with add-ons
When does the money get taken? I think I need to change the Birthday & Christmas list for the wife . . . maybe sell some plasma . . .
Aug 17 when the campaign ends
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Inner Sphere Direct Fire lance at $300k looks amazing! New Crusader and Marauder II. Squeeeeeeeee
Yay!!
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Inner Sphere Direct Fire lance at $300k looks amazing! New Crusader and Marauder II. Squeeeeeeeee
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I don't usually do kick-starter so I have a question on how things work. Can someone help me understand the "add-ons". Is this something that will selected at a later date? Or are add-ons triggered by your pledge level?
example:
$200,000 - Inner Sphere Battle Lance Unlocked!
Four more etc etc. This lance pack may be selected with your backer level Star/Lance Pack reward and will also be available as an add-on.
So, does this mean that if for example, I chose "Star Captain", I will get the Clan invasion box set + 2 star/lance packs of my choice (for sake of argument = inner sphere command lance and clan heavy striker pack). But then, I at some point (if the $200,000 is reached), I will be able to amend my order to add the Inner sphere battle lance at an additional cost?
add-ons are not included in your core pledge. If you want one, you add the monies to the pledge manually [edit - during the kickstarter, it's usually cheaper] and tell them what you want with said additional monies post-kickstarter.
some things in core pledge are also in the add-ons, so check what you pledged for; and some stretch goals add to core pledge.
CGL guys - where are the pics of the lance packs?
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Another proud Star Colonel!
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add-ons are not included in your core pledge. If you want one, you add the monies to the pledge manually and tell them what you want with said [b[additional[/b] monies post-kickstarter.
some things in core pledge are also in the add-ons, so check what you pledged for; and some stretch goals add to core pledge.
You can also pledge the money for the add-ons during the Kickstarter so they get counted towards stretch goals and the like by manually adjusting your pledge amount in the pledge manager. I'm in for Bloodnamed, but I also know I want the dice bag for sure.
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Went with Star Colonel. Might add some for an add on later on.
Psy
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Now that we are up to four lance/star packs unlocked, will the campaign continue to be double the packs you selected for your tier or is it possible to get one of each of the boxes? I would jump to the $150 tier immediately if it meant that I could just get four distinct packs.
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Better man than I. I just went for it and will explain / plead forgiveness later. it's going to be $400+ with add-ons
Aug 17 when the campaign ends
So for those more familiar . . . is that when they take the money and go make it? So if I had another $100 to throw at it say . . . Sept or Oct, would I be able to buy in for more? Wonder if I can get the FLGS to buy in so I can try to get some of the other IS lances later . . .
Yeah, what Azakael said . . . I am in for Bloodnamed plus some more to be able to get the add-ons I want and feed the stretch goals.
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add-ons are not included in your core pledge. If you want one, you add the monies to the pledge manually and tell them what you want with said [b[additional[/b] monies post-kickstarter.
some things in core pledge are also in the add-ons, so check what you pledged for; and some stretch goals add to core pledge.
CGL guys - where are the pics of the lance packs?
You can also pledge the money for the add-ons during the Kickstarter so they get counted towards stretch goals and the like by manually adjusting your pledge amount in the pledge manager. I'm in for Bloodnamed, but I also know I want the dice bag for sure.
Thank you both for the explanation
Now that we are up to four lance/star packs unlocked, will the campaign continue to be double the packs you selected for your tier or is it possible to get one of each of the boxes? I would jump to the $150 tier immediately if it meant that I could just get four distinct packs.
ditto
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Sadly I can't really justify Star Colonel, as much as I want to. I'm off to the US in Nov/Oct (Blizzcon) and 300 would be a nice bit of spending money in the US. I settled with being Bloodnamed :)
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Star Commander (#1353?) here ... Can justify $50 on myself for an early (but arriving late) birthday present.
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I'm so excited for the three Inner Sphere lances with the new sculpts, I don't know what to say.
I'm sitting here at work smiling and everyone thinks I'm nuts.
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Quickly closing in on the 300k mark.
That's gonna be alot of plastic CGL is gonna have to scrounge for.
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Quickly closing in on the 300k mark.
That's gonna be alot of plastic CGL is gonna have to scrounge for.
There are going to be some busy artists, too.
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:o :o :o Its still growing!!! Well I did the happy dance when IS BattleLance was unlock now on to the IS FireLance 8) P.S. The Clan Mech are growing on me right now.Put extra for the dice bag.
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In at Bloodnamed so far, but will probably push up before the end :)
I'll be adding some additional lances as well, if I'm honest with myself!
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As for the extra lances, yeah. With a call sign like mine, you know one Marauder isn't going to cut it. Also, that new Pixie sure is purty.
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Quickly closing in on the 300k mark.
That's gonna be alot of plastic CGL is gonna have to scrounge for.
Don't worry someone going to steal alot plastic milk cases to send to China that for sure.
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I'm so excited for the three Inner Sphere lances with the new sculpts, I don't know what to say.
I'm sitting here at work smiling and everyone thinks I'm nuts.
That's what pushed me over the fence to Star Colonel. When they said "Classics, New Atlas and New Orion" it was all over and my wallet was mugged ;D
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In for Star Captain at #445...Dice Bag looks nice as does that Timber Wolf Metal Statue and the Inner Sphere Retaliation, but we shall see at the end of the kickstarter. :thumbsup: :drool: ;D
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I hope whoever gets to be the main character in a novel is Bob Smith or something completely innocuous and similarly commonplace.
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I'm holding off pledging more until I see what else might be added as stretch goals. Sitting here at Star Colonel, some of the add-ons (Retaliation set and extra lances) are really tempting me. I know I want some of those Elemental Stars for the Ghost Bear trinary I want to build.
I just have to figure out how much it's all going to cost me for the extra stuff.
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Will we get some visuals of the later Lance/Star boxes? I'm dying to see the new Atlas
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Hey Chubby and others working on this Kickstarter,
Would it be possible to add another add-on of, say, a print or a poster of the gorgeous artwork you are using? I see there's a digital wallpaper for us, how about adding a print or poster of either that or the cover?
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Hey Chubby and others working on this Kickstarter,
Well, asking like that's not gonna get you far. :P
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You guys are going to need a bigger boat... I mean stretch goals.
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Now that we are up to four lance/star packs unlocked, will the campaign continue to be double the packs you selected for your tier or is it possible to get one of each of the boxes? I would jump to the $150 tier immediately if it meant that I could just get four distinct packs.
Yes, it's double ONLY those you selected for your tier. So if you pick a Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance, but add on an IS Direct Fire Lance, you'll get a second copy of the Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance.
Hey Chubby
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Would it be possible to add another add-on of, say, a print or a poster of the gorgeous artwork you are using? I see there's a digital wallpaper for us, how about adding a print or poster of either that or the cover?
I'll pass that along. I'd buy!
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Will we get some visuals of the later Lance/Star boxes? I'm dying to see the new Atlas
We're less than $1,000 away from having that unlocked, so I'm hoping they'll show it sometime down the line.
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We're less than $1,000 away from having that unlocked, so I'm hoping they'll show it sometime down the line.
Too late, threshold already broken.
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And we're at the 300k mark. Just over 3 hours to reach it. Wow.
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Yes, it's double ONLY those you selected for your tier. So if you pick a Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance, but add on an IS Direct Fire Lance, you'll get a second copy of the Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance.
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I'll pass that along. I'd buy!
My goodness, let me get this straight. So at Star Colonel, you get to pick 5 lance packs and they ALL GET DOUBLED?
I'm going to start cackling with glee if I'm reading that right.
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BOOM! 300k! Congrats!
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My goodness, let me get this straight. So at Star Colonel, you get to pick 5 lance packs and they ALL GET DOUBLED?
I'm going to start cackling with glee if I'm reading that right.
Aye, you read it right laddie.
Up to 55 mechs in total for Star Colonel. 5 Star Packs (25 mechs) x2 plus the 5 from Invasion box. =)
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My goodness, let me get this straight. So at Star Colonel, you get to pick 5 lance packs and they ALL GET DOUBLED?
I'm going to start cackling with glee if I'm reading that right.
Yeah, look at the number of mechs on the pledge level and cross-check/convince-yourself by doing the arithmetic at home; it'll add up. For me, Bloodname does, in fact, double, adding up to 25 total Mechs and the loss of a lot of acrylic paint and several cans of matte coat.
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I gave in and increased my pledge to Star Colonel.
Would you please include a picture of the leather dice bags (or a mockup) in a future update?
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Yes, it's double ONLY those you selected for your tier. So if you pick a Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance, but add on an IS Direct Fire Lance, you'll get a second copy of the Clan Command Star and an IS Command Lance.
That part I understood. What I was wondering is if there were plans on changing the doubling into being able to just pick four of the packs. (I imagine you are swimming in questions between the forums, social media, and everything else going on. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!)
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A newly redesigned Hatchetman?!? (faints dead away) :thumbsup: :rockon: :excited: :bow:
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??? It just dawn on me Clan pack get you 5 mechs and a blind box mech. IS pack get you 4 mechs and blind box mech. If I go with some IS mechs I lose a mech ::) . Thats a bummer.
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I don't think you get the blind with the clan packs.
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I don't think you get the blind with the clan packs.
From re-reading the Clan pack verbiage that appears to be correct.
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I don't think you get the blind with the clan packs.
Correct. The blind box is explicitly to make sure that unequal number of Mechs doesn't happen.
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Banshee? 3S or 3E? The former would be far more interesting.
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Today keeps getting better and better!
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Banshee? 3S or 3E? The former would be far more interesting.
I'd love to get a proper variant with the PPC on the arm again.
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Banshee? 3S or 3E? The former would be far more interesting.
3S would make sense as part of the clan invasion, because AFAIK the Lyran Commonwealth has the only active Banshee factory. That being said, I like punching things with a good old 3E any day.
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After reading some of the newer stretch goals (please let the Coyotes be one of the new choices), I had to up to Star Colonel
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I'd love to get a proper variant with the PPC on the arm again.
The new art in TRO:SW is gorgeous. That wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit.
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$312,000 pledged. :o I didn't realized we had so many hardcore fans.
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Well, asking like that's not gonna get you far. :P
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haha, I am so sorry, things are going fast here for me.
I'll pass that along. I'd buy!
Thank you!
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Yeah TROSW art was good. And i got two Es already, would like an S. (Yeah yeah, BT is not WYSIWYG but S models tend to look better due to having more guns.)
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Wow, that’s a lot of lance/star packs they’ve committed to. Can CGL and its suppliers handle all this production? It seemed difficult enough to keep the GoAC box in stock.
I’ve reached the point where I need to start thinking hard about which ones I actually want and have the ability to paint within the next decade.
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*sits down for lunch break and....*
Wuuuuuuut!? :o
Blake's Blood, look at the numbers for top tier pledges! Just.... WOW!
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3S would make sense as part of the clan invasion, because AFAIK the Lyran Commonwealth has the only active Banshee factory. That being said, I like punching things with a good old 3E any day.
the art in TRO:SW was for the 3S. One circumstantial piece of evidence.
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the art in TRO:SW was for the 3S. One circumstantial piece of evidence.
Consider it my hope, and not evidence!
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I'll pass that along. I'd buy!
If you're taking suggestions, I still think a copy of the Quick Start Alpha Strike rules in the box set would be a good idea.
Or some of the stuff that's normally con exclusive...such as the aluminium.dice ;)
Other than that could we have clarification on which rewards are KS only and which rewards or add ons will be available to purchase later.
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Wow, that’s a lot of lance/star packs they’ve committed to. Can CGL and its suppliers handle all this production? It seemed difficult enough to keep the GoAC box in stock.
Pure fan speculation: We've talked a lot on the forums about metal vs. plastic production. My understanding of plastic production is that steel molds represent a high initial cost but a low marginal cost. Every additional plastic injection amortizes the cost of the mold more, so the more the better. Rubber molds for metal casting have a lower initial cost (a lot lower in terms of material production) and so amortize a lot more slowly with higher marginal costs because the metal is expensive.
Note: This is not from personal experience, just from what I've read from people who do have experience.
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Those new stretch goals - my god!
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That part I understood. What I was wondering is if there were plans on changing the doubling into being able to just pick four of the packs. (I imagine you are swimming in questions between the forums, social media, and everything else going on. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!)
My pleasure - if I'm not here for days like today, what good am I to you all?
I don't see them changing the doubling, because of the scenario you suggest - it'll cut into the add-on revenue because people will use their doubled Packs to try to cover one of everything unlocked.
After reading some of the newer stretch goals (please let the Coyotes be one of the new choices), I had to up to Star Colonel
Thank you!
haha, I am so sorry, things are going fast here for me.
For us all. Not a problem.
It seemed difficult enough to keep the GoAC box in stock.
Not so much, certainly not compared to previous boxes. It's in stock in the CGL web store right now.
Fulfilling the add-on orders for the AGOAC through the KS ought to be simple - you know exactly how many you need, it'll be something like the third run of the boxes, and you have the cash in hand to pay for them. Much simpler than normal production.
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You know...I had planned to only pledge enough for the IS lance pack, maybe a few other things.
Then I saw the stretch goals.
*whimper* I need to reallocate moneys.
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You know...I had planned to only pledge enough for the IS lance pack, maybe a few other things.
Then I saw the stretch goals.
*whimper* I need to reallocate moneys.
I feel your pain *eyes downpayment fund enviously*
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You know...I had planned to only pledge enough for the IS lance pack, maybe a few other things.
Then I saw the stretch goals.
*whimper* I need to reallocate moneys.
It's only gonna get worse, pal.
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That part I understood. What I was wondering is if there were plans on changing the doubling into being able to just pick four of the packs. (I imagine you are swimming in questions between the forums, social media, and everything else going on. Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions!)
As pledges have been taken on the basis of the existing rewards, I don't think they can change now. Besides, there are often marketing, legal or economic reasons why doubling is preferable to a free choice.
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Upped my pledge to 420 (no pun intended)...now I'm only considering whether to splurge on that Fortress dropship
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Looks like rollercoaster stopped at $320,627. Pretty good for first day. Wow.
When i get paid i'm throwing 40 in. so i can get that IS lance pack...hopefully.
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So good to see this going well . I wonder if they have a million stretch goal like a table sized McKenna ? LOL
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Hope they were prepared for the the success this bringing.
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Couple pages back I promised to stop talking about numbers.
I guess I lied.
$330,000 in 3 hours and 40 minutes.
In case you are wondering, that is $1,500 a minute.
Holy schnikes.
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It's fluctuating, but I took a quick snapshot of the number of backers a couple minutes ago and did the math. If you include the very few folks who are getting Beginner Boxes, CGL is on the hook for at least 47,901 plastic minis :thumbsup:
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at this rate i'm going to have to forfeit all birthday and christmas considerations to get everything i want
and it's day 1
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Also, looks like they added some more Full Kerensky slots. There are now 10 in total!
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I think at this point the only (super, duper mild) disappointment for me is that we don't seem to be getting anymore Elemental Points in the main box as stretch goals! I was hoping it might just manage 5 full points for a full Star of them... But again, minor! 2 points is still darned good for shaking things up! And I'll be getting the extra box of Elementals anyways!
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I wonder if there will be Inner Sphere BA?
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I don't see them changing the doubling, because of the scenario you suggest - it'll cut into the add-on revenue because people will use their doubled Packs to try to cover one of everything unlocked.
Changing or swapping was one of, and only one of, the manifest problems with the DUST: Tactics campaign I backed years ago. Please stay the course, please.
Good luck and thanks for doing good with the brand.
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Well we seem off to a good start.
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There's something major missing from this Kickstarter (unless I missed it):
I can buy as many Star and Lance packs as I want, but the only way to get duplicates of the 5 Mechs in the Clan box set is to make a second pledge. You can't buy the 5 Mechs in the original star as an extra add-on, and you can't add-on a second box set either.
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The $340k stretch goal "Founding of the Clans (I)" should be for the first digital novel, right? (It says "second" right now.)
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seems that way. the second one also says "second" so I assume it was a c/p error
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seems that way. the second one also says "second" so I assume it was a c/p error
Or a "You guys are throwing money at the screen so fast I missed it in editing while trying to keep up! What do you mean they are already over 300k!?" *Cries into coffee*
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Is it OK if I speculate here about possible future stretch goals (read wishes)?
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Or a "You guys are throwing money at the screen so fast I missed it in editing while trying to keep up! What do you mean they are already over 300k!?" *Cries into coffee*
This.
There's something major missing from this Kickstarter (unless I missed it):
I can buy as many Star and Lance packs as I want, but the only way to get duplicates of the 5 Mechs in the Clan box set is to make a second pledge. You can't buy the 5 Mechs in the original star as an extra add-on, and you can't add-on a second box set either.
This has come up a few times. Passing it up the chain. My sense (and only my sense) is that there's hesitancy to make the five Omnis in the Clan box a separate thing, because it creates another, very similar SKU and the potential for fulfillment errors.
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$312,000 pledged. :o I didn't realized we had so many hardcore fans.
It's at 1800 backers so far. This message board has 8176 members. I'm surprised it's only at 1800.
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It's at 1800 backers so far. This message board has 8176 members. I'm surprised it's only at 1800.
It only just passed 5 pm in Eastern time, 3/4ths of the US TZs aren't even off work yet!
Not everyone can check sites like that from work. Even on their phone.
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This has come up a few times. Passing it up the chain. My sense (and only my sense) is that there's hesitancy to make the five Omnis in the Clan box a separate thing, because it creates another, very similar SKU and the potential for fulfillment errors.
How about allowing for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set as add-ons? (The entire boxed set, not just the minis.)
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It only just passed 5 pm in Eastern time, 3/4ths of the US TZs aren't even off work yet!
Not everyone can check sites like that from work. Even on their phone.
That's my hope for the really specific day one timing. A big initial burst, followed by sustained gains as the 5 p.m. and evening hours roll across the U.S. -- and the other side of the world wakes up.
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How about allowing for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set as add-ons? (The entire boxed set, not just the minis.)
That's what I'm passing up the line.
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What happens if we exceed $400,000?
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In the box contents preview the possibility of additional boxes as rewards at +$50/ea was mentioned. I bet this is a minor omission that'll get fixed.
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How about allowing for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set as add-ons? (The entire boxed set, not just the minis.)
Yes, please, this very much. I am after multiple Timber Wolves. I am very confused by the way this all works, but I hope very much to get multiple instances of the core clan mechs so that I can field multiple Timbers and Adders.
Failing that, I hope someone wants to trade...
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This has come up a few times. Passing it up the chain. My sense (and only my sense) is that there's hesitancy to make the five Omnis in the Clan box a separate thing, because it creates another, very similar SKU and the potential for fulfillment errors.
You've already created a separate SKU by allowing us to buy the 10 IS Mechs in the Base box and Beginner box without the boxes, so why would this be an issue?
People will end up drowning in Ice Ferrets and Warhawks and the like but literally unable to buy extra Timber Wolves.
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Well, someone stretched a bit to put the Hellion in the Clan Invasion era- I thought the mini was fine previously, but one nice thing with the plastic is they all seem to be scaling together quite well.
Maybe a Binary Add-on like the Retaliation, use the box star plus one that is decided on by the Galaxy Commander & more decision group (with a live announcement of that 2nd star at GenCon)- or just call it a Nova, box star and elementals at Retaliation cost? Btw, can the 5 box mechs be in the mystery Salvage Box?
Cubby, thanks for taking the time to respond . . . how are we on the Social Media Goals to spread the word?
I see a great epidemic of grown men doing the pee-pee dance for more than a year waiting for their boxes to arrive.
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I'm kind of stunned by these backer levels:
6 Full Kerenskys at $5k per pop.
19 Khans at $1k per pop.
87 Galaxy Commanders at $600 per pop.
That is $101k right there!
I had no idea we had such....well funded.....fans in our midst!!!!
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What happens if we exceed $400,000?
more stretch goals. it seems every 100k moves us four mechs closer to completely revamping the 3025/3039 gang
I'm kind of stunned by these backer levels:
6 Full Kerenskys at $5k per pop.
19 Khans at $1k per pop.
87 Galaxy Commanders at $600 per pop.
That is $101k right there!
I had no idea we had such....well funded.....fans in our midst!!!!
there are times when carrying a credit card balance for a few months are worth it ;D
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As a Star Colonel thinking about an upgrade to Galaxy Commander, I can say that I have been waiting for this Kickstarter for half a decade at least. I don't like IWM metal miniatures. I have a set of the original plastics from back when I was a kid, and I'm loving the new Alpha Strike. I can get TONS of Mechs on the table and have a giant engagement. Given that I'm time-poor but cash-rich these days, I want to make sure I get in on the action and support as much as I can. Battletech has given me so much joy over the years.
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I might be bumping mine up to Galaxy Commander. At this point, I'm starting to think I can live off Ramen, water, and any other cheap food for a while :). Eh, I need to lose weight anyway.
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kickstarter noob question, but how does one even get add ons?
'cause I'm feelin' like snagging a third lance pack.
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Hey, just throwin it out there. I'll sign an NDA and bump my support tier up to Khan level, if I can get told officially who the ilClan is going to be finally. easiest $400 you'll ever make.
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kickstarter noob question, but how does one even get add ons?
'cause I'm feelin' like snagging a third lance pack.
Figure out which add-ons you want to buy. Then make a pledge for your base level plus the cost of add-ons. So if you want $50 worth of add-ons on top of a $300 pledge, pledge $350.
You will have the opportunity to select which add-ons you want (and add more money if you want) in the Pledge Manager after the campaign finishes, but money spent post-campaign doesn't contribute to Stretch goals.
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I’m at the star colonel now, but if I buy another $300 worth of add one, would that get me to the next pledge level, or are the totally separate?
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My understanding is it does not get you the next pledge level, but it will count for the stretch goals. For example, I have a plan right now that has me at Bloodnamed, and I already threw in more money (twice) to get star/lance boxes I wanted as they were revealed.
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I’m at the star colonel now, but if I buy another $300 worth of add one, would that get me to the next pledge level, or are the totally separate?
Separate. You have to pledge to be a Galaxy Commander to receive that level's rewards. Just throwing in money at your pledge level will not bump you up. As Colt Ward also said, it does count towards the stretch goals.
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Figure out which add-ons you want to buy. Then make a pledge for your base level plus the cost of add-ons. So if you want $50 worth of add-ons on top of a $300 pledge, pledge $350.
You will have the opportunity to select which add-ons you want (and add more money if you want) in the Pledge Manager after the campaign finishes, but money spent post-campaign doesn't contribute to Stretch goals.
Thanks. Done!
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Obviously missing content: Any mention of a painting guide.
More thoughts later.
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Obviously missing content: Any mention of a painting guide.
More thoughts later.
Come on, THAT is obvious . . . they are the Clans, their mechs are properly painted with the blood of their enemies with hidden speakers playing the lamentations of their enemies' women when they are on the offensive.
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I see a great epidemic of grown men doing the pee-pee dance for more than a year waiting for their boxes to arrive.
This needs a GIF so, so badly!
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Come on, THAT is obvious . . . they are the Clans, their mechs are properly painted with the blood of their enemies with hidden speakers playing the lamentations of their enemies' women when they are on the offensive.
Clan Diamond Shark rocks up to Tukayyid but CLEARLY didn't get the message, but one of their Psyops did. And as they go into battle
"Maaaa-gi-k Shark do do do doo doo..."
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"Maaaa-gi-k Shark do do do doo doo..."
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/b1/51/f1b1514d8023d8088f0fa8f232be405b.jpg)
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$320,000 - NEW EXCLUSIVE POSTER. We will consult the Khans and then commission a new art for another great double-sided physical poster, to be provided to all RISTAR backers and above.
Can ... er, uh ... Øystein be involved with this one?
<cough>
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How many stories will they have to create to fullfill all those canon
fodder characters pledges???
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Most will probably just show up on rosters or as pilots in scenarios
If you’ve got a cool name you might get a passing mention in a sourcebook blurb
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Personally I'd be fine with my character appearing in a different Era. Totally cool with a mention in one of the plot-forward sourcebooks rather than an invasion era one.
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Most will probably just show up on rosters or as pilots in scenarios
If you’ve got a cool name you might get a passing mention in a sourcebook blurb
So far 98 backers at the Galaxy Commander level. Not only do they get to name a character, but the character gets art in their likeness in a BT product. The 22 Khans and 6 Full Kerenskys get that, too. That's 126 canon characters with art IN a product SO FAR.
I don't know how to determine if anyone has taken the $200 add-on to name a character, who would ALSO get art and inclusion in an upcoming product.
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They probably should have put a cap on that lol
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Hey look at that. "A Game of Armoured Combat" is an add-on. Whodathunkit? ;)
Can we please also add "The Beginner's Box" as an add-on?
BYE
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I suppose it all depends on how many artists they have lined up to create the art and how detailed CGL wants them to be. Some of those characters will be going to the new Mechwarrior Pilots Cards (the $310k stretch goal).
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That could be their intent. Maybe that's why they don't indicate the size of those card decks. The Star Colonel perks specifically state the canon character will appear in 'sourcebooks or fiction', though, and the later ones refer to that one. So if they ONLY appear on those cards, it somewhat repudiates the perk people specifically pay for.
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My credit card is screaming because I just went Full galaxy commander.
I should warn everyone that doesn't know that the last time I was supposed to show up in the battletech universe was with wizkids and the game died a year later and the [original]company another year after that. If my bad luck on this holds out, I'm sincerely very sorry. :-[
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Any chance we could get a faction specific lapel as an add-on?
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Hey look at that. "A Game of Armoured Combat" is an add-on. Whodathunkit? ;)
Can we please also add "The Beginner's Box" as an add-on?
BYE
Honestly, you're better off getting it from a local shop where it is most probably sold around 50$ too and won't add shipping cost.(plus, you get it now and not in 9 months)
Beginner box is part of the first two pledge level.
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I go away for a few hours and find that an additional $250K has been pledged.
This has been exploding.
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USD$ sucks. In CAN$ the pledge is already over 497K. As such I demand that all Canadians get all strech goals unlocked! ;D
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Just crossed 2000 backers and $380K.
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I'm excited to see what the other side of the world does before I get to work tomorrow. Go Asia and Oceania goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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I wonder if the person responsible for adding, unlocking and updating the stretch goals is tearing his hair out that the fund keeps passing the stretch goals before he can add, unlock and update them? Hoping we might see some omnifighters, dropships and warships further up the stretch goals....and of course the 3rd Book of Founding of the Clans.
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I wonder if the person responsible for adding, unlocking and updating the stretch goals is tearing his hair out that the fund keeps passing the stretch goals before he can add, unlock and update them? Hoping we might see some omnifighters, dropships and warships further up the stretch goals....and of course the 3rd Book of Founding of the Clans.
I am hoping for more scenarios for other types of Trails and of course IIC packs.
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Welp, I just dropped three hundo to get the Star Commander level plus all the dice and challenge coins, and the canon character. Feelin' pretty good.
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Perhaps we can see some Clan Trials of Absorption....Widowmaker and Mongoose, come to mind and of course a certain Clan Trial of Annihilation for the Not-Named? :thumbsup: :drool: ;D
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Welp, just jumped on for the Star Colonel pledge. Trying to see just what add-ons I can afford... (or at least convince myself I can... ;D )
Probably the thing I'm most excited for is the Elementals: just have to have those in a Clan set. Definitely going to be picking up some of the those.
A couple quick questions:
1) Will the new Star/Lance packs be released to the public at a later date? Or are they Kickstarter exclusives?
2) Is the map scale DropShip the one from IWM or is it a new sculpt?
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Honestly, you're better off getting it from a local shop where it is most probably sold around 50$ too and won't add shipping cost.(plus, you get it now and not in 9 months)
I'm in Oz. Shipping's going to be bad no matter what I do. At least I can get everything at the same time this way.
Beginner box is part of the first two pledge level.
And not an add-on, which is what I'd prefer.
BYE
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Clan Diamond Shark rocks up to Tukayyid but CLEARLY didn't get the message, but one of their Psyops did. And as they go into battle
"Maaaa-gi-k Shark do do do doo doo..."
That might backfire and get them brutally, viciously attacked by every parent on the planet, batchall be damned!
Also, for the completionists among us, can we get some text somewhere on the campaign listing the number of unique dice, coins, packs, etc. that have been unlocked so we can make sure we have enough addons to get ‘all the things’?
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Just shy of 400K and it's still an hour before people start getting off work on the West Coast.
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That might backfire and get them brutally, viciously attacked by every parent on the planet, batchall be damned!
Also, for the completionists among us, can we get some text somewhere on the campaign listing the number of unique dice, coins, packs, etc. that have been unlocked so we can make sure we have enough addons to get ‘all the things’?
We’re working on this now. I realize there’s been a lot of unlocks today and some are scattered to hell and gone across three separate images. It’ll be a KS update and posts here and on social media.
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On the cusp of breaking the $400,000 stretch goal....can't wait to see the next series of stretch goals.... ;D :thumbsup: :drool:
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We’re working on this now. I realize there’s been a lot of unlocks today and some are scattered to hell and gone across three separate images. It’ll be a KS update and posts here and on social media.
Take your time, do it right. You have won the internet for today. Enjoy it, there's so much work ahead.
Also, questions I posted on the KS:
Questions regarding Canon characters:
1) Will Catalyst accept Clan-of-choice requests?
2) For Galaxy Commander and above, will higher ranks than "Mechwarrior X" be available?
3) For cases where art is included, will Catalyst accept a reference image to use when creating art of the character?
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Aaaand we just ran past $400k... :D :D :D :thumbsup:
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If the money isn't taken out untill after the 17th, am I able to change my pledge from star captain to galaxy commander?
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If the money isn't taken out untill after the 17th, am I able to change my pledge from star captain to galaxy commander?
Yep. You're able to change your pledge anytime before the end date.
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Heavily debating now if I bump up to Star Colonel, or hold at Bloodnamed and just add on for all the different Lance/Star packs.
I have got to get some more of my stuff sold off! :D
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If the money isn't taken out untill after the 17th, am I able to change my pledge from star captain to galaxy commander?
The money is taken after 30 days. You can change your pledge any time before then and it will count to stretch goals.
You can also put more money later with the Pledge Manager but it won't count for stretch goals.
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Heavily debating now if I bump up to Star Colonel, or hold at Bloodnamed and just add on for all the different Lance/Star packs.
I have got to get some more of my stuff sold off! :D
Higher pledge levels are locked into "Double Forces" which forces you to buy each Star pack in units of 2. Probably to simplify fulfillment.
That said, Star Colonel is the most cash-efficient in terms of $$ per Mech ($5.45), if you value all non-miniature rewards at $0.
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Heavily debating now if I bump up to Star Colonel, or hold at Bloodnamed and just add on for all the different Lance/Star packs.
I have got to get some more of my stuff sold off! :D
It’s kind of hidden, but I noticed under the list of add-ones, at least one of the neoprene mats will be free for everyone Star Colonel or higher. That helped me decide. (Plus I just wanted to help make sure some more stretch goals were passed quicker)
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:o :o :o ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8). 7:25PM ET JULY 17 2019 2123 backer and 401,238.00 WOW!!!! That fast that I have seen so far in 6 and half hour of this Kickstarter. I know after I'm done posting those number will have change some more. I have to say wow. They blew threw 3 sets of goal again WOW. I have wonder where the heck we go from here. Well I'm >:D happy . Later everyone .
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Yes, I have already been throwing extra $$ as we got some unlocks. I am going to see if my FLGS is jumping in too.
So a couple of questions for Cubby-
1) Will Salvage boxes include mechs from the Invasion box?
2) Will prototypes be shown at GenCon? If so, I need to replace the F5 on my work computer . . .
3) How are we doing on the Social Media goals? I just checked my FB and did not see a post from BT even though I follow.
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So, I'm trying to count my Tubes before they are Decanted, and it's leaving me more than a little confused.
Tiers from Bloodnamed on up, have "Double forces!" and they have a mech count. Is that "Double Forces" included in the mech count already?
as a Galaxy Commander, am I getting 85 mechs, or 165?
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Its included . . . but leaves out the Salvage boxes that were unlocked as part of a tier reward.
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Double Forces is strictly worse than choosing twice as many Packs. The main purpose I think is for these large pledges to be simpler to fulfill because they have to buy doubles of everything.
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So, I'm trying to count my Tubes before they are Decanted, and it's leaving me more than a little confused.
Tiers from Bloodnamed on up, have "Double forces!" and they have a mech count. Is that "Double Forces" included in the mech count already?
as a Galaxy Commander, am I getting 85 mechs, or 165?
Galaxy Commander gives....
Clan Invasion Box Set
8× Star Pack / Lance Pack
That is 5 Mechs from the Box Set, and 40 from the Packs.
Double Mechs then doubles the Packs....so you'd get the 8 from the GC level, and another duplicate set.
Total...16 Mech Packs plus five from the Box Set.
Total, 85.
To this is then added the Add On Packs.
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The more stretch goals we hit, the higher I feel I have to take my pledge level ;D
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Stretch Goals V are up. No graphics. Way to go, you killed their graphics guy.
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Oh no....
$410,000 – METAL WARHAMMER STATUE. From StarCorps Industries (also known as the fantastic metal smiths at Iron Wind Metals) comes a new Museum Scale statue of the Warhammer. This large pewter figurine (appox. 3.5” tall) will be a completely-new sculpt, based directly off of the redesign shown in this campaign. This will be offered under Add-ons.
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This really caught my eye...
$450,000 - CLAN HEAVY BATTLE STAR UNLOCKED! A star of five new OmniMechs: Turkina, Kingfisher, Crossbow, Ebon Jaguar, and Huntsman.
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Oh no was my reaction too at the Warhammer statue
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Perhaps we can see some Clan Trials of Absorption....Widowmaker and Mongoose, come to mind and of course a certain Clan Trial of Annihilation for the Not-Named? :thumbsup: :drool: ;D
Highly unlikely.
First...the Widowmaker Absorption has already been done
Second...the Mongoose Absorption was bigger and more complex and would require at least as much effort to create
Third...the Wolverine Annihilation is, in its own way, more complicated and controversial still.
None of these are suitable for a single scenario, but rather full campaigns.
A more suitable candidate for a Trial of Annihilation for a scenario would be the Star of warriors who defeat led to the destruction of their progeny. Can't recall the Clan right now
Absorption? Probably a Harvest Trial
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To be honest, getting the rest of the Founding of the Clans trilogy might be the most exciting thing about this campaign.
(guys, PoD copies, por favor?)
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It was certainly a pleasant surprise
What other unexpected treasure can we wring out with a bigger flood of money
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Oh no....
$410,000 – METAL WARHAMMER STATUE. From StarCorps Industries (also known as the fantastic metal smiths at Iron Wind Metals) comes a new Museum Scale statue of the Warhammer. This large pewter figurine (appox. 3.5” tall) will be a completely-new sculpt, based directly off of the redesign shown in this campaign. This will be offered under Add-ons.
my wallet can't take this anymore xp
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It was certainly a pleasant surprise
What other unexpected treasure can we wring out with a bigger flood of money
Well, how many other classic 3025 designs are there for IS? How many other Clan designs? :D
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I wonder if metallic versions will be available from IWM after the box sets are in production and delivered? (And adding whatever time it will take for them to be made.)
There are some i'd like to get but not as part of packs that include others i don't care one bit for.
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Well, how many other classic 3025 designs are there for IS? How many other Clan designs? :D
Counting the current box sets, which have 6 classics and three others...
Classics are all there, plus the Valkyrie, 15. Others total 14. So, 29 at the moment.
EDIT Think there should be 30 Clan 'Mechs? All 16 classics Omnis, plus 14 others.
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I think we need pics of all these new maps...
*looks at new stretch goals*
T... t....t.... TURKINA!!! :D
BYE
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Probably about a million more to check off all the 3025/3039 crew
I think we need pics of all these new maps...
BYE
Questionable if they’ve been made yet
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To be honest, getting the rest of the Founding of the Clans trilogy might be the most exciting thing about this campaign.
(guys, PoD copies, por favor?)
I second this Print on Demand request if it's possible. It's so nice to have physical copies of these books.
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My only question is how much do I throw at this?
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My only question is how much do I throw at this?
And what a question it is! Same boat here.
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My only question is how much do I throw at this?
Enough to get us from plastic Turkina to plastic Night Gyr. :))
BYE
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My only question is how much do I throw at this?
*laughs* The more I'm seeing announced the more I'm starting to wonder how much to throw down now. All those wonderful Lance/Star packs! :drool:
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I'm at $265 so far, so this can only go up. :D
BYE
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My only question is how much do I throw at this?
I'm keeping it on my credit card with the $500 limit, and right now keeping my pledge manager at $150.
Because I have a downpayment for a new home sitting in my account, and I don't want this anywhere near it.
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I wonder if they could add a Leviathan III metal sculpt to the add-on list if they hit over the Half-Million mark?
I'd pay for one... IIRC it 'twas a Con Exclusive mini...
TT
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Dear CGL Team:
Thank you for including a retailer tier.
The gesture is appreciated and we're going to put our money where our mouth is.
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I'm really hoping that this meets the $490,000 mark.
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I'm really hoping that this meets the $490,000 mark.
It most likely will. It hasn't even been 12 hours lol
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This will likely end between 1-1.5 mil by the 17th of Aug.
Already at 424k so they might want to get the next set of stretch goals ready.
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I was hoping for another point of Elementals in the 300-400k range to eventually work up to a full star of elementals in the expansion box.
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That would be nice, but even two is good. Still have plenty of the old Ral Partha elementals from long long ago.
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This will likely end between 1-1.5 mil by the 17th of Aug.
Already at 424k so they might want to get the next set of stretch goals ready.
How much is too much though? If all of these were in the works already and this is just speeding things along, that's great. But a constant stream of more and more stretch goals is what makes a lot of the Kickstarter failures...
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How much is too much though? If all of these were in the works already and this is just speeding things along, that's great. But a constant stream of more and more stretch goals is what makes a lot of the Kickstarter failures...
I'd add unmanageable stretch goals to your description but otherwise I agree.
I was just attempting to figure out what add-ons I'm going to add on and from what pledge level makes the most sense for me. Frustrating that effort is the guessing game that "booming" Kickstarters present by continuing to add stretch goals. Robotech RPG Tactics had this issue amongst others.
So I guess my question for Cubby and/or TPTB would be: what's your stretch goal cut-off point going to be?
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I was hoping for another point of Elementals in the 300-400k range to eventually work up to a full star of elementals in the expansion box.
Same! But at least we're getting some in an add on!
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And now that the Big Boss is home and I got her permission (with the mandatory Eye Rolling ::)), Galaxy Commander NeonKnight is ready for Business!
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Stepped away for a bit, trying to catch up now.
So a couple of questions for Cubby-
1) Will Salvage boxes include mechs from the Invasion box?
Not sure, checking. We have a long list of questions heading to management tonight after rounding up everything asked here and in the KS comments. The responses will form the core of the FAQ on the KS itself.
2) Will prototypes be shown at GenCon? If so, I need to replace the F5 on my work computer . . .
Some may be there, but not all. Not sure which ones. I will try to get decent photos taken if I'm not there to do so myself.
3) How are we doing on the Social Media goals? I just checked my FB and did not see a post from BT even though I follow.
The FB post to share (https://www.facebook.com/battletechgame/photos/a.10150199463713148/10156419295408148/?type=3&theater) is the one that announced the KS at 1 p.m. So far, it has 309 shares of 500 needed.
The Twitter post to share (https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151537016456253441) is the same. So far it has 191 retweets of 250 needed.
Stretch Goals V are up. No graphics. Way to go, you killed their graphics guy.
He needed a much-deserved breather. Graphics version will be up eventually.
So I guess my question for Cubby and/or TPTB would be: what's your stretch goal cut-off point going to be?
Hard to answer because it's a fluid situation. We had a pretty long list of them going into this, and there are still plenty more on that list -- I'm being cagey about the number because I don't want to set a ceiling on day one. But some things have been adjusted on the fly and moved around due to the rapid funding amount.
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I’ll be honest. I was expecting less than today’s total for the entire campaign. As I continue to add to the rewards list I am filled with a certain level of disquiet. I don’t know how much Anthony has been working on but we are easily past the renders shared to patreon. By tomorrow we’ll be up to the better chunk of $500k. That’s a lot of stuff to produce. Getting all those vendors and authors in sync is going to be super challenging.
Still, I can’t help but be blown away by the support for the new direction of the line
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QUESTION: Will the tiers that give you the chance to name a character(and really, who's not going to use their own name!? ;D ) be capped? You're already looking at almost 500 names on day one. Kind of diminishes the reward if it just ends up being a full page of names at the end of an era report. Or do you have interesting plans?
Also, some kind of "if you pledge this, you're getting this" graphic or even just a list that directly spells it out is always appreciated. Makes it clearer what add-ons I need to budget for.
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Seconded on DarkSpade's post
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(and really, who's not going to use their own name!? ;D )
I won’t be. That’s some pretty boring shit for me to foist on the writers
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They should have stretch goals like Smash a Pie into Randall's Face at GenCon, or Pelt Loren with Ice Cream Cones at GenCon. Simple, fun things that people would LOVE but that won't cause fulfillment issues. ;D
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I was hoping for another point of Elementals in the 300-400k range to eventually work up to a full star of elementals in the expansion box.
I think we are probably at the point the box itself is full, its supposed to be about the same size as the GoAC box IIRC. Two points are good IMO, gives you a taste of what they are like. My question is, are there 1, 3 or 5 on the base?
DarkSpade, I see each pledge level spelled out on the right side at the top of the page- you clicked on what you wanted as your pledge level.
To Charlie 6's point . . . I will be honest, I am not too worried about most of what they are throwing in for folks hitting the stretch goals since its within the scope of what they do and most of it is low volume stuff. Everything listed they have done for general release or for Cons- and this is going to allow them to scale on swag.
Digitally released scenarios & novellas- already had PDF exclusive stuff
Dice, tags, keychain- Con swag and selling some dice through CGL store
Posters, maps & neoprene maps- Again, on the current CGL store
Pilot cards & decks- Already done for boxes since AS Lance Packs, done for AS, and in current boxes
Inclusion in canon material for individuals- its been done, just have to hope you do not fall on a grenade when you get named
TacMap case is the only thing a bit out of what they have offered, but I have no idea what they use at Cons to carry maps
The IWM Timber Wolf, Warhammer and dropship are not a stretch for them either- they already sell dropships like that, and the mechs would just be a matter of scale . . . should look at it as news they might already have the files to make those minis.
lol . . . 1464% funded . . .
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DarkSpade, I see each pledge level spelled out on the right side at the top of the page- you clicked on what you wanted as your pledge level.
I've seen kickstarters that don't fully update those as more stretch goals get unlocked. Also, it's a great eye catcher when people see a pile of swag all together in one graphic while trying to decide what to pledge.
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My question is, are there 1, 3 or 5 on the base?
That's a good point (heh!). Too many on a base and you get what I call the "Elemental Mosh Pit" problem.
My Elemental bases all have 3 per base. For bigger things, like Kanazuchis, I wouldn't go more than 2 per base (one looked a bit lonely).
I do hope we end up with a full star of Elementals in the core box though.
BYE
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Seconded on DarkSpade's post
I'd be cool with giving that up; IMO if it was a problem.
Kudos to the benefits-breakdown thread. This is a LOT of stuff and I was a little baffled at what comes in where and how.
Man, did we kill this one or what???
(https://i.redd.it/l1sxqh10lsj11.jpg)
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Hard to answer because it's a fluid situation. We had a pretty long list of them going into this, and there are still plenty more on that list -- I'm being cagey about the number because I don't want to set a ceiling on day one. But some things have been adjusted on the fly and moved around due to the rapid funding amount.
Fair enough and completely understandable.
To Charlie 6's point . . . I will be honest, I am not too worried about most of what they are throwing in for folks hitting the stretch goals since its within the scope of what they do and most of it is low volume stuff. Everything listed they have done for general release or for Cons- and this is going to allow them to scale on swag.
Early Kickstarter enthusiasm is fine but I've seen that too during Coolest Cooler, Robotech (RRT), and DUST: Tactics. Since only one of those turned out to be slightly less than a fiasco I'll probably bring this up again around the midpoint if there hasn't been an update or FAQ entry for it.
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assuming the suits are sized similar to the current IWM ones, i'd guess they'll go the MWDA route and do a stand of 2-3 suits per base. that is all that would fit the mecha sized hexbases.
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Three would fit comfortably. MWDA used three and had to squeeze them a little more because of the click base info
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Saw an update, y'all. The add-ons now have additional Clan Expansion boxes at $50 if you were interested in more of the original minis (more Timberwolfs, etc).
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Because I have a downpayment for a new home sitting in my account, and I don't want this anywhere near it.
Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it >:D
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When will the my card be hit for the money? End of the Kickstart?
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When will the my card be hit for the money? End of the Kickstart?
correct.
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Did my $95 part, but looking hard a the add ons, Having a Cannon (Even a Red shirt) character is VERY tempting... That said if more details emerge on how much control the "buyer" has, it may be hard to avoid...
To people asking, I believe the pledge is charged at the end, I don't know exactly when add ons are charged
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The option for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set have been added to the list of add-ons as a $50 item.
Just a programming note, I'm about at the end of my day, but if you have additional questions, please continue to post them here or on the KS page. We're still compiling them, and I'll answer what I can in the morning.
From all of us, truly - thank you for this amazing day.
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My only question is how much do I throw at this?
Mine is, how do I pick a clan?
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I took the 30 dollar option, paying 40 us dollars. I hope i can get the inner sphere lance pack with that salvage box.
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So according to the update video, I just add the dollar amount of addons to my pledge.
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So according to the update video, I just add the dollar amount of addons to my pledge.
Correct.
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I took the 30 dollar option, paying 40 us dollars. I hope i can get the inner sphere lance pack with that salvage box.
The inner sphere lance pack add-on is 20$ though, you'll be 10$ short.
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The option for additional copies of the Clan Invasion boxed set have been added to the list of add-ons as a $50 item.
Just a programming note, I'm about at the end of my day, but if you have additional questions, please continue to post them here or on the KS page. We're still compiling them, and I'll answer what I can in the morning.
From all of us, truly - thank you for this amazing day.
How many dice bags are there? Is there one with each faction logo? Or are there just an Inner Sphere and Clan themed ones?
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Someone tell Randall he needs to finish the Founders Trilogy now. :)
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I'm super tempted to upgrade to Star Colonel thanks to all the lance and star pack stretch goals that have been released, but I think I'm going to stick to Bloodname and instead just throw some money toward getting some of the bonuses once there's a more solid list of what's actually available.
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Just home from work (OK, I had to stop at my favorite watering hole on the way home for a few cold ones 'cause work sucked!).
Bloodnamed!
Before it's over, I'll be adding on whichever lance/star packs that doesn't cover.
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Did my $95 part, but looking hard a the add ons, Having a Cannon (Even a Red shirt) character is VERY tempting... That said if more details emerge on how much control the "buyer" has, it may be hard to avoid...
To people asking, I believe the pledge is charged at the end, I don't know exactly when add ons are charged
Whatever you pledge is charged to your card when the kickstarter ends. You can pledge more than the tier you selected costs to cover addons you know you want. Sometime after the kickstarter is over there will be a pledge manager where you tell catalyst exactly what you wanted to receive for your pledge. Most pledge managers will also give you the option to select more than what you've already paid. In that case you'll be charged the deference once you've locked in your "order".
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Stupid kickstarter looks like it is going to take at lest $300 of my dollars likely more. :'(
So Star Colonel pack I am confused what does 5xStar/lance pack mean? Sorry if it has been asked. To many pages today to figure it out.
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I upped to Galaxy Commander. I want my characters likeness immortalized.
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Stupid kickstarter looks like it is going to take at lest $300 of my dollars likely more. :'(
So Star Colonel pack I am confused what does 5xStar/lance pack mean? Sorry if it has been asked. To many pages today to figure it out.
You get to pick five of any combination of the Stars or Lances that have been reached and unlocked at the end of the kickstarter.
At that level, or each Star or Lance that you pick, you will receive two of the same, for a total of 10 (and up to 5 different ones).
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Stupid kickstarter looks like it is going to take at lest $300 of my dollars likely more. :'(
So Star Colonel pack I am confused what does 5xStar/lance pack mean? Sorry if it has been asked. To many pages today to figure it out.
there are currently (as soon as we hit $500k) five lances and five stars
Clan Command Star - Daishi, Ryoken, Shadow Cat, Koshi, Thor
Clan Heavy Striker Star - Man 'O War, Vulture, Loki, Dragonfly, Fenris
Clan Fire Star - Dasher, Uller, Nova Cat, Masakari
Clan Pursuit Star - Fire Falcon, Hankyu, Hellion, Battle Cobra, Black Lanner
Clan Heavy Battle Star - Turkina, Kingfisher, Crossbow, Cauldron-Born, Nobori-nin
Inner Sphere Command Lance - Marauder, Valkyrie, Archer, Stinger
Inner Sphere Battle Lance - Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Rifleman, Wasp
Inner Sphere Direct Fire Lance - Atlas Marauder II, Orion, Crusader
Inner Sphere Heavy Lance - Banshee, Grasshopper, Centurion, Hatchetman
Inner Sphere Striker Lance - Blackjack, Panther, Wolfhound, Jenner
you can select five of those in any combination. at Bloodnamed ($150) and up, you get an identical copy of each of the lances/stars you select. so you select five and get double that.
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I'm really hoping the next wave of Clan challenge coins and dice will have my Star Adders.
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I think we are probably at the point the box itself is full, its supposed to be about the same size as the GoAC box IIRC. Two points are good IMO, gives you a taste of what they are like. My question is, are there 1, 3 or 5 on the base?
5.
Direct from the writeup of the Elemental Add on:
"Each pack comes with five bases of five elementals each."
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Thanks guys
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I'm really hoping the next wave of Clan challenge coins and dice will have my Star Adders.
the included homeclans are going to be voted on by the $1000+ contributors. six out of ten have already been unlocked (or at least will be with another paltry $3000) so your chances of getting those sweet, sweet adder dice are already pretty good.
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Got to admit I never wished I had a spare $5k lying around more than now.
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I wonder if they can get Jeff Laubenstein back for some of the art. I would give my other pinky for him to do my character art.
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Wow, looks like there's a very good chance of clearing $490K in 12 hours.
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I'm really hoping the next wave of Clan challenge coins and dice will have my Star Adders.
Its to the point of picking Home Clans, but the Star Colonels & Up- or maybe higher- get to pick them.
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I'm just so darn happy! It all went so well and with all the stretch goals etc this has obviously been well prepared and planned for. Although I can hear Mr Scroggings yelling in alarm at all the extra Mech's he's got to draw :D
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Is there a way to order multiples of a level?
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This Is one interesting promotion. Very hard to decide on to what level I would like to pay for. Lots of very interesting things to go with it. High end too much for me Low end way too low. Somewhere in between, but where for me. Need to give some thought.
Clan Invasion Box set. What a way to enjoy yourselfs.
Decisions? Decisions? to make. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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This Is one interesting promotion. Very hard to decide on to what level I would like to pay for. Lots of very interesting things to go with it. High end too much for me Low end way too low. Somewhere in between, but where for me. Need to give some thought.
Clan Invasion Box set. What a way to enjoy yourselfs.
Decisions? Decisions? to make. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
So many add ons it is pure overload
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I took the 30 dollar option, paying 40 us dollars. I hope i can get the inner sphere lance pack with that salvage box.
The inner sphere lance pack add-on is 20$ though, you'll be 10$ short.
Yeah, the salvage pack is a single blind-boxed Clan Omnimech mini, not a chance for a full lance or star pack.
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Haven't backed yet. Still doing maths.
Expansion box plus 10 packs, that's a lot of things. 30/30 mechs. Looking over, it looks like I'd get doubles for about 6 packs, so I probably should pick a level that serves what I want and then add on the rest. Should also leave some out so that I can support my FLGS in the future.
To be honest, this is the kind of Kickstarter that triggers warning signs. Beyond a certain point, Kickstarters that grew too big tends to run into fulfilment problems. It's not just a skillset problem, it's just physical -- half a mil of plastic Mechs is still half a mil of plastic Mechs to sort, package and correctly deliver.
I'm sure CGL is aware and is lining up the relevant, I just want to set expectations -- earliest delivery is March 2020, for base box + two of the packs. Given how many things are here, I'm thinking.. end 2020? for total fulfilment. Nothing wrong with that, is just that backers should be aware and set expectations accordingly.
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March 2020 is the listed expected delivery date for the Box set and the first two packs. The KS page includes under shipping that each pack after the first two (so, we're up to 8 once this clears $500k) adds another month to the stretch goal delivery date. At present, that's November 2020. Sounds to me like CGL is aware of the work involved. :)
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Cubby, I have a pretty serious question to add to your list when you're up and about in the morning. Addresses. If there will be wave splits for product delivery, how will CGL handle people needing to change addresses in the interim? Some baker systems and campaigns lock addresses at a fixed time before delivery. With wave delivery, that's not tenable if the interval is long enough. Some people simply have to move frequently.
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The new Crusader looks like. No ugly popeye look there, just a buffed pixie ready for action :thumbsup:
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The new Crusader looks like. No ugly popeye look there, just a buffed pixie ready for action :thumbsup:
My god, the Crusader. THAT is the best thing out of this entire kickstarter. And minis for it! PXH has had enough of your ****.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/025/844/992/88acbcb14b140344c6f915d0b4dbb5d4_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1563415432&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=526533a5fce7476d5e6c306225b85d1b)
$486,640 as of just after midnight central time. Figure it'll hit 600?
Also, some very good points made in regards to stretch goals; that's a LOT to bring together - though it certainly looks like a lot of it isn't too difficult outside of all the miniatures.
I too would like to know what kinds of restrictions there will be on canonized characters, because you know SOMEONE is going to put a Canopian catgirl mechwarrior in.
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I too would like to know what kinds of restrictions there will be on canonized characters, because you know SOMEONE is going to put a Canopian catgirl mechwarrior in.
As I understand it, you just pick the name, the details are all up to catalyst.
(Though I would point out that there are rules for making a Canopean Catgirl. :P)
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because you know SOMEONE is going to put a Canopian catgirl mechwarrior in.
I so hope we get a character from the periphery that says this while drunk in a bar on Outreach.
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Is there a way to order multiples of a level?
Get a buddy you TRUST who has an account. Only way I know of.
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(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/025/844/992/88acbcb14b140344c6f915d0b4dbb5d4_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1563415432&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=526533a5fce7476d5e6c306225b85d1b)
If that is the WIP of the Classic Crusader, WOW!!!!!
That is got to be the best redesign of any of the Macross-inspired Classics yet! The LRM-15s moved to the Arm bundles. The Classic PHK-style jet units. Just wow...
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I wonder how many new stretch goals will be unlocked before Cubby wakes up.
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Catalyst confirmed in the commends that Beginner Box will be avail in the pledge manager at the end.
Fantastic. :)
BYE
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A hair shy of 500k now, roughly 900 to go.
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So part of the reason I was disappointed at the lack of a painting guide is that the latest one was in SO, which is currently out of print.
Speaking of which, bit disappointed not to hardcopy rule books not among the available expansions.
As I don't have a copy of either of the previous boxsets, should I go for the Game of Armored Combat add-on, or as I already have the rules in PDF go just grab the mini set?
No sign of a metal beemer is rather strange.
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Wow -- half a million and it's not even been 24 hours! :thumbsup:
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Is there a way to order multiples of a level?
Multiples of a level? Not that I know of. However, through add-ons, you can add more miniatures packs as you need.
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some good stuff in Stretch Goals VI
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And I have to wait until Friday when I get paid to bankrupt myself again... I just hope they leave it up for a couple days rather than say ‘.... yeah this too much we’re gonna stop now’
But Holy Hell Batman! Half a Million in a day...
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(https://i.ibb.co/2chHPbG/Clan-Invasion-Facebook-Announcement-500-K.jpg)
*Clan Invasion Kickstarter Storms Past $500K in Less Than a Day*
The BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter just broke the half-million dollar mark of funding in its first 12 hours live, blowing away all our expectations thanks to an incredible show of support by you for the game you love.
The Clan Invasion boxed set was fully funded at $30,000 in just seven minutes, unlocking a new novella from Blaine Lee Pardoe that will be delivered to all backers very soon. (https://i.ibb.co/WkrV7Gc/Rules-of-Engagement-Epub-Cover.png) Since then, hundreds of thousands of dollars in stretch goals have fallen one by one, and the total amount of funding is still climbing.
"I've been working on BattleTech for over twenty years, and playing it for over thirty," said Randall N. Bills, Managing Developer for Catalyst Game Labs. "I'm not sure I've ever seen such enthusiasm and excitement for the game and universe we all love. The targets are being knocked down quicker than we can put them up...simply brilliant."
Throughout the day, we've shared in your excitement for the Clans' invasion of Kickstarter and delighted in your reaction to each new set of Stretch Goals, with plenty more to come. In addition, the two social media missions are nearly complete, so be sure to share the Facebook post and retweet the Twitter post from earlier today.
From the entire Catalyst Game Labs and BattleTech team, thank you for keeping faith with the Unity, and thank you for this amazing day."
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And I have to wait until Friday when I get paid to bankrupt myself again... I just hope they leave it up for a couple days rather than say ‘.... yeah this too much we’re gonna stop now’
But Holy Hell Batman! Half a Million in a day...
Your card isn't charged until the end of the Kickstarter. Also, as far as I know, you can't end a Kickstarter early so we're here for the duration.
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Your card isn't charged until the end of the Kickstarter. Also, as far as I know, you can't end a Kickstarter early so we're here for the duration.
Yep, so put that money aside or something and have it back in your bank by the 17th of next month :)
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I wonder if they can get Jeff Laubenstein back for some of the art. I would give my other pinky for him to do my character art.
With 131 GC level bids alone right now, I think they might be regretting that particular reward right now.
That is a lot of art to be done, a lot of names to be mentioned. Its doable though.
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So, I just checked the site and saw the level was at 450K, and was wondering if people in the comments were jumping the gun to talk about 500k, or did a bunch of backers lower their pledge levels - and then I saw Kickstarter was auto-correcting to euro, and the dollar level is 508K!
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So, a couple of things I forgot before: First of all KickStarter is a bit of a dick if you aren't in the US, stretch goals and the funding goal are always listed in USD, but as I'm in Aus for some reason the running total is listed in AUD.
Secondly what do the pilot cards do?
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With 131 GC level bids alone right now, I think they might be regretting that particular reward tight now.
That or the artists they work with can hear that good 'ol cash register sound. But yeeeeeeah thats a LOT of work for who ever's gonna be doing it.
But, saying that, they've got at least a year if not more and depending on the Mechwarrior art they go for it could just be a head/shoulders shot in black and white and those probably don't take THAT long to do. It depends on how they wanna do it, will you get random Clanner or will it be a case of you get to give details and the like. If its random Joe then it simplifies things greatly.
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Secondly what do the pilot cards do?
They give you piloting and gunnery skills and special pilot abilities for a mechwarrior, as well as a bit of fluff about them, the faction they're part of and what mech they pilot. There's a bunch of them in the Beginner and Game of Armoured Combat boxes, and from the previews on the KS page the ones here will be the same format.
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So, a couple of things I forgot before: First of all KickStarter is a bit of a dick if you aren't in the US, stretch goals and the funding goal are always listed in USD, but as I'm in Aus for some reason the running total is listed in AUD.
Hover your mouse pointer over the two-arrow circle with a dollar sign in it, immediately to the right of the AUD total, and it will show you what the total is in USD...
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So we are currently at 59 new Mechs and 1 Battle Armour (not including the 9 from the Beginners and AGoAC box sets) in around 12 hours...with another 30 days and 12 hours to go, will we see ALL of the Mechs from the TRO SW and CI??? I find it hard to believe, but imagine if we did see all the Mechs from those two TRO re-sculpted and in high quality plastic!!! That would also mean that we could see new TRO's with full colour modern artwork as well, eventually :)
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Hmm... If we can do one of the houses for the faction kit I can expand on my Davion merch from the HBS BattleTech KS lol Then I can have a jacket, hat, t-shirt, etc...
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So I've never backed a kickstarter before, and have a question/conundrum...
I'd like all the fiction etc stretch goals, which means I need to back at Star Commander (not a problem btw). However I don't want a Clan Invasion boxed set as I don't have the time or space to give the mechs etc the treatment they deserve, I would be much happier with the Begginer's Box set and the random mech from the Ristar pledge level.
Is there any way to acheive this?
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Haven't backed yet. Still doing maths.
Expansion box plus 10 packs, that's a lot of things. 30/30 mechs. Looking over, it looks like I'd get doubles for about 6 packs, so I probably should pick a level that serves what I want and then add on the rest. Should also leave some out so that I can support my FLGS in the future.
To be honest, this is the kind of Kickstarter that triggers warning signs. Beyond a certain point, Kickstarters that grew too big tends to run into fulfilment problems. It's not just a skillset problem, it's just physical -- half a mil of plastic Mechs is still half a mil of plastic Mechs to sort, package and correctly deliver.
I'm sure CGL is aware and is lining up the relevant, I just want to set expectations -- earliest delivery is March 2020, for base box + two of the packs. Given how many things are here, I'm thinking.. end 2020? for total fulfilment. Nothing wrong with that, is just that backers should be aware and set expectations accordingly.
They've said the the box set is set for March 2020 while the lance and star packs will be fulfilled after that.
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Haven't backed yet. Still doing maths.
Expansion box plus 10 packs, that's a lot of things. 30/30 mechs. Looking over, it looks like I'd get doubles for about 6 packs, so I probably should pick a level that serves what I want and then add on the rest. Should also leave some out so that I can support my FLGS in the future.
To be honest, this is the kind of Kickstarter that triggers warning signs. Beyond a certain point, Kickstarters that grew too big tends to run into fulfilment problems. It's not just a skillset problem, it's just physical -- half a mil of plastic Mechs is still half a mil of plastic Mechs to sort, package and correctly deliver.
I'm sure CGL is aware and is lining up the relevant, I just want to set expectations -- earliest delivery is March 2020, for base box + two of the packs. Given how many things are here, I'm thinking.. end 2020? for total fulfilment. Nothing wrong with that, is just that backers should be aware and set expectations accordingly.
Someone posted a google spreadsheet over on r/battletech with the math already done for you.
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So I've never backed a kickstarter before, and have a question/conundrum...
I'd like all the fiction etc stretch goals, which means I need to back at Star Commander (not a problem btw). However I don't want a Clan Invasion boxed set as I don't have the time or space to give the mechs etc the treatment they deserve, I would be much happier with the Begginer's Box set and the random mech from the Ristar pledge level.
Is there any way to acheive this?
Pledge Ristar, then "Manage Your pledge" to add funds to cover the add-ons you want. When the kickstarter ends, you should get an email for a pledge manager to let you select your add ons.
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And As I go to bed, the total is close to $520K..... Let's see if there's another addition or two to the goods in the morning......
Craig
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Ooohh! New stretch goal with Whammy IIC, Mad IIC, Hunchie IIC, Supernova and a Kodiak.
Nice!
BYE
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And Longbow on the map at $600K! Very achievable.
Kicktraq sees us tapping out at over $14,000,000 USD. I think it's a tad ... **** actually. But we're doing good.
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And Longbow on the map at $600K! Very achievable.
Kicktraq sees us tapping out at over $14,000,000 USD. I think it's a tad ... **** actually. But we're doing good.
Kicktraq always over-estimate based on the first few days. Things will die down much more the next week or so. Then the final 3 days of the Kickstarter will see a major push again.
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The new IS Lance is probably the first Lance or Star to actually make sense this entire project.
Question: Are the extra forces included in the Orbital Drop Stretch Goal affected by the Double Forces feature of several Reward Tiers?
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Also something interesting to consider: Gen Con falls right in the midst of this. Now it's quite possible that there are Battletech fans out there who haven't heard about this KS, or people who with the new AGoAC boxed sets are going to get back into the game or try it out new.
There could well be a surge of new backers at/post Gen Con. I will be demoing in the Catalyst booth three of the four days of GC, so I hope to get at least a feel for what the excitement/interest level is pushed to by this, and how many people who are interested in the game haven't either heard of it or chosen to back until they see some of this stuff live. I get the feeling we working the booth might be "promoting" it a little...
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oh my lord at this add-on:
(https://i.imgur.com/GwNvkTw.png)
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Kicktraq sees us tapping out at over $14,000,000 USD. I think it's a tad ... **** actually. But we're doing good.
Kicktraq does that on every Kickstarter as it bases its average on whatever has been pledged so far. So far we've pledged over $500k in a day, so it assumes that we'll maintain that pace throughout.
We won't. Even the most successful boardgame kickstarters have the 25-day slump where nothing happens for most of the campaign. As others have said, we have to wait for the last 3 or so days for things to get interesting.
BYE
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Also something interesting to consider: Gen Con falls right in the midst of this. Now it's quite possible that there are Battletech fans out there who haven't heard about this KS, or people who with the new AGoAC boxed sets are going to get back into the game or try it out new.
There could well be a surge of new backers at/post Gen Con. I will be demoing in the Catalyst booth three of the four days of GC, so I hope to get at least a feel for what the excitement/interest level is pushed to by this, and how many people who are interested in the game haven't either heard of it or chosen to back until they see some of this stuff live. I get the feeling we working the booth might be "promoting" it a little...
Yeah, that's a good point mate. No doubt from a convention of that size, you will get many interested parties, who will follow their interest up by investigating the Kickstarter if they are made aware of it (big sign at the demo table?). First impressions are critical with things like this...especially so for people who are interested but don't actually get a demo game in, the ones that stand around and have a good look, or walk by and their eyes are drawn to what is going on...lots of cool looking artwork with missiles, lasers, PPC's and empty shells spewing out of canons and lots of explosions and battle damaged Mechs, along with cool painted mini's will ensure they check out the kickstarter in their own time after the convention...that's what would work on me anyway...
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Question: Are the extra forces included in the Orbital Drop Stretch Goal affected by the Double Forces feature of several Reward Tiers?
Obviously I'm not privy to that information, but I would be extremely surprised if they did count towards the Double Forces...those Orbital Stretch Goals are a stand-a-lone freebie, I reckon with 99% confidence...
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Yeah, that's a good point mate. No doubt from a convention of that size, you will get many interested parties, who will follow their interest up by investigating the Kickstarter if they are made aware of it (big sign at the demo table?). First impressions are critical with things like this...especially so for people who are interested but don't actually get a demo game in, the ones that stand around and have a good look, or walk by and their eyes are drawn to what is going on...lots of cool looking artwork with missiles, lasers, PPC's and empty shells spewing out of canons and lots of explosions and battle damaged Mechs, along with cool painted mini's will ensure they check out the kickstarter in their own time after the convention...that's what would work on me anyway...
heh, demo "table"...
You ever seen a picture of the Gen Con booth?
Half a dozen demo tables, a Giant-scale game on a section of floor (this year, Giant BattleTech!) a big sales area, display cases to show stuff off, giant standing banner signs that reach up towards the ceiling. You think they aren't going to have signs all over promoting the heck out of the KS? Heck I'd be surprised if there won't be a flyer or a card or something dropped in every bag of everything they sell.
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The real number you want to see in a Kickstarter, is the backer number...the higher that is, the more you will collect in the last 48 hour dash. A lot of people pledge a small amount and wait to see what is included in the way of freebies and/or stretch goals right towards the end and then make the final decision on how much to fork out and what items they will fork out for...if there are 3000 backers and they all spend an extra $20 in the final 48 hours, that is less than 6000 backers spending $20 each in the last 48 hours...and quite a lot of people will just hit the "Remind Me" button, which sends an automated reminder email out 48 hours prior to the end of the Kickstarter, and these people then come and check it out and decide whether or not to spend...also, CGL will pick up a lot of money that we won't know about AFTER the Kickstarter ends, because when the Pledge Manager comes out, it will give you the capacity to spend even more money, and people do. Obviously, spending money after the Kickstarter ends doesn't help reach stretch goals, though.
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heh, demo "table"...
You ever seen a picture of the Gen Con booth?
Half a dozen demo tables, a Giant-scale game on a section of floor (this year, Giant BattleTech!) a big sales area, display cases to show stuff off, giant standing banner signs that reach up towards the ceiling. You think they aren't going to have signs all over promoting the heck out of the KS? Heck I'd be surprised if there won't be a flyer or a card or something dropped in every bag of everything they sell.
That's awesome...makes me wish it was an easy thing to fly to the US to check out such a huge set-up at the convention :)
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Heck I'd be surprised if there won't be a flyer or a card or something dropped in every bag of everything they sell.
You might even say that they timed the KS to occur right around GenCon on purpose! ;)
BYE
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That's awesome...makes me wish it was an easy thing to fly to the US to check out such a huge set-up at the convention :)
And that's not including the section in the tabletop gaming area that's pretty much all BattleTech (Shadowrun has its own space elsewhere).
I would bet KS signage and promotion will be well represented there as well
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I am pretty impressed by the response thus far and all the cool stretch goals already achieved. Loving the fact that the Homeworld Clans will get some coverage and I wonder if we will get more. There are a ton of possibilities for detailing this era I'd love to see.
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Pledge Ristar, then "Manage Your pledge" to add funds to cover the add-ons you want. When the kickstarter ends, you should get an email for a pledge manager to let you select your add ons.
This would be fine but some of the fiction is stated to be only available to Star Commander pledge and above, and not as an add on...decisions, decisions :D
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Cubby, after you've had your morning coffee, a question: Are the additional Star/Lance Packs included in the Orbital Drop ($500,001) stretch goal for Star Colonel and higher are doubled under "doubled forces"? (I suspect they're not but I wanted to confirm for planning's sake.)
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So, a couple of things I forgot before: First of all KickStarter is a bit of a dick if you aren't in the US, stretch goals and the funding goal are always listed in USD, but as I'm in Aus for some reason the running total is listed in AUD.
Just for clarity, stretch goals costing is usually done by the Creator, not KS; Since a lot of these projects are based in the US, they tend to be in USD. I've seen stretch goals in CDN, Euro, some weird currency.. not C-bills yet though.
As for the running total, that's on Kickstarter; the site detects your region (probably through your profile) and converts to the region's currency. It's useful to some degree, but the stretch goal issue... yeah, I get that.
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If you scroll down to the very bottom of the campaign page, you can select the currency the ticker is displayed in.
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If you scroll down to the very bottom of the campaign page, you can select the currency the ticker is displayed in.
Hmm. Never saw that. C-Bills is however, still not an option... ;D
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:beer: :beer: :beer: OK. Guys what kind of beer are you drinking . Maybe send a case to you guys over there in Washington State . Well just got up got my coffee. I just spend about 20 minutes looking at the KS. July 18 2019 7:10 am ET 2835 backer and $541,548.00 as then it may change some more. Its not a full 24 hours yet and got this far WOW. Well I'm happy so far I see the Warhammer is unlock and maybe my beloved Hatchetman is at $600,000.00. Later
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I am still flabbergasted by the phenomenal success of the kickstarter. The new minis are the most exciting thing to happen since I've been involved with BattleTech. (and by that, I mean 1988!!!)
Congrats CGL on this kickstarter. Now go 'kick' some ass!
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Once that Limited editionhardback of Mechwarrior Legends is reached, I'm adding it as fast as I can to my spreadsheet (yes, I need one to get an overview of all the stuff we're getting)
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I'm actually a bit surprised to see the Bombardier in the next IS target. I mean, the Archer and the Longbow are both in here, I'm not so sure why the Bombardier gets in.
I supposed I could wave my DCMS flag here and suggest the Dragon, but why not an Ost- ? We really hadn't seen a redesign on those for the longest time.
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$550k. That sweet, sweet new star unlocked.
Seriously. Is no one going to talk about the Elephant in the room?
Where is the Urbanmech?
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I'm actually a bit surprised to see the Bombardier in the next IS target. I mean, the Archer and the Longbow are both in here, I'm not so sure why the Bombardier gets in.
I supposed I could wave my DCMS flag here and suggest the Dragon, but why not an Ost- ? We really hadn't seen a redesign on those for the longest time.
It's in TRO: Succession Wars, I assume that's part of the decision-making process for the minis getting added.
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Where is the Urbanmech?
Probably in its own Lance pack.
Nay. Its own Company pack. :P
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all of the minis announced so far are found in TRO: Succession Wars or TRO: Clan Invasion except the Crusader and Longbow. a good test of what cgl is thinking for the limits of stretch goals will come after the $650k, which are the last five clan mechs in TRO: CI
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all of the minis announced so far are found in TRO: Succession Wars or TRO: Clan Invasion except the Crusader and Longbow. a good test of what cgl is thinking for the limits of stretch goals will come after the $650k, which are the last five clan mechs in TRO: CI
If this Kickstarter's Mech-reveal pace keeps going at break-neck speed like it has been so far, my money udders are going to be milked bone dry, I already have chafed nipples...
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I'm happy that CGL is finally doing a kickstarter. It's been a while coming, so I hope the team has been prepped enough so that the fulfillment process goes as smoothly as possible.
I do hope that down the road, if everything goes well, all of the volunteers who will have helped this come about will be given a bonus for their work in all of this.
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I hope Anthony Scroggins is surviving all of this with all the modeling he has to do ;D
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I still think they need to do an "Eggheads" Lance:
2x Urbanmech
1x Urbanmech IIC
1x Imp
I'm actually a bit surprised to see the Bombardier in the next IS target. I mean, the Archer and the Longbow are both in here, I'm not so sure why the Bombardier gets in.
Do you want yet another Catapult? ;)
BYE
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I hope Anthony Scroggins is surviving all of this with all the modeling he has to do ;D
He and the art team are wailing how much of work they have ahead. :D
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Do you want yet another Catapult? ;)
Could be worse. I was actually looking at possible 65 tonners. I ended up with Jagermech...
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So the $600k level also opens up the Great Houses for coin and dice options.
If you have the collector gene and you didn't reevaluate your pledge when you saw that, your Collector Midichlorian count is too low to qualify for membership in the order.
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We need a hunchie too :D
And yeah I bet it was a case of
"Don't worry lads, it won't be that many of those backers."
20 seconds later.
"Oh no...oh no...oh no!"
For the art team :D
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QUESTION: and really, who's not going to use their own name!?
If I get the package or add on, I'd be just as likely to add my late fiance's name as mine. She played Battletech as a kid, and we never got a chance to sit down and play ourselves.
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If this Kickstarter's Mech-reveal pace keeps going at break-neck speed like it has been so far, my money udders are going to be milked bone dry, I already have chafed nipples...
it's wild. when they first announced the campaign i was thinking we'd get the base five plus the two lances and two stars if things went well. now even the $600 tier has to add on packs. we're also nearly up to 20 dice options xp
Do you want yet another Catapult? ;)
...is it a -K2?
otherwise i'm solid
x4 plastech fatapults
original daddy long legs RP sculpt
IWM C4
IWM K2
2007 and 2011 cgl box set lo-fi & 2013 box / AS Support Lance RavenPult
IWM DA sculpt
Catapult II
GoAC scroggins special
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Interesting tidbit: As a thought experiment, I built a force of Beginner+AGoAC mechs vs the Clan Box. For the IS, I used 3050 variants when practical(kept the -C1 Catapult for practicality reasons), and since many of the 'main' variants described in the original TRO 3050 were -Ms, I used Marik variants when possible. For the Clan force, I stuck with Prime configs, and lasers for the Elemental Points. Here's the results:
Inner Sphere:
Battlemaster-3M
Awesome-9M
Thunderbolt-7M
Catapult-C1
Shadow Hawk-5M
Wolverine-7M (x2)
Griffin-3M
Commando-5S
Locust-3M
Clan:
Gladiator Prime
Mad Cat Prime
Black Hawk Prime
Grendel Prime
Puma Prime
Elemental (Laser) (x2)
Inner Sphere total: 13761 BV
Clan total: 13416 BV
Seems like a pretty even fight to me. And if you throw in a second Beginner Box to make it an even company, you'd probably have enough BV to improve the skills of several Clan units. :)
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What in kerensky's name does cgl have against my bank account. I mean yes I could live without some of these mechs...but do I want to?
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it's wild. when they first announced the campaign i was thinking we'd get the base five plus the two lances and two stars if things went well. now even the $600 tier has to add on packs. we're also nearly up to 20 dice options xp
...is it a -K2?
otherwise i'm solid
x4 plastech fatapults
original daddy long legs RP sculpt
IWM C4
IWM K2
2007 and 2011 cgl box set lo-fi & 2013 box / AS Support Lance RavenPult
IWM DA sculpt
Catapult II
GoAC scroggins special
I am beyond excited for all these new minis! But for putting the Catapult in the lance pack? I don't think that makes sense. That mini is in the GoAC box, and it is excellent. The evidence thus far is that the lance packs are resculpts of the TRO:SW and TRO:CI (Crusader and Longbow as the welcome exceptions).
I doubt we'll see a Catapult in one of the lance packs, but we'll see. My inner squeeeee is a roar right now, deafening out nearly everything else!
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similar parity to the pre-elemental reveal setup i had looked at with the eight GoAC mechs (no griffin) as their 3025/39 stock variants with 3/4 pilots vs the clan same star with 4/5 pilots.
now you've got me going down that rabbit hole with all the options for early invasion matchups...
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Cubby, I have a pretty serious question to add to your list when you're up and about in the morning. Addresses. If there will be wave splits for product delivery, how will CGL handle people needing to change addresses in the interim? Some baker systems and campaigns lock addresses at a fixed time before delivery. With wave delivery, that's not tenable if the interval is long enough. Some people simply have to move frequently.
Good question. Passed it along.
You might even say that they timed the KS to occur right around GenCon on purpose! ;)
It's kinda like that, yeah.
Cubby, after you've had your morning coffee, a question: Are the additional Star/Lance Packs included in the Orbital Drop ($500,001) stretch goal for Star Colonel and higher are doubled under "doubled forces"? (I suspect they're not but I wanted to confirm for planning's sake.)
Asking.
Seriously. Is no one going to talk about the Elephant in the room?
Where is the Urbanmech?
I was going to joke that it's a the $10M level, but after seeing eight people buy the Full Kerensky, I'm afraid someone is going to liquidate some stock and make it happen.
all of the minis announced so far are found in TRO: Succession Wars or TRO: Clan Invasion
Both of which are books you can either buy right now, or will soon be able to.
What in kerensky's name does cgl have against my bank account. I mean yes I could live without some of these mechs...but do I want to?
Remember that most or all of this will be available eventually through normal retail and the CGL web store, except for the items clearly marked as exclusives. Not to dissuade anyone from pledging or pledging more, but my understanding at this point is that getting your hands on them won't be a one-shot deal.
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Good question. Passed it along.
It's kinda like that, yeah.
Asking.
I was going to joke that it's a the $10M level, but after seeing eight people buy the Full Kerensky, I'm afraid someone is going to liquidate some stock and make it happen.
Both of which are books you can either buy right now, or will soon be able to.
Remember that most or all of this will be available eventually through normal retail and the CGL web store, except for the items clearly marked as exclusives. Not to dissuade anyone from pledging or pledging more, but my understanding at this point is that getting your hands on them won't be a one-shot deal.
That's good, but even the exclusives are getting unmanageable right now.
Still...if the neoprene maps, faction dice, faction kits, museum scale models, dropship and star/lance packs and map sets will be available later, that will be a relief.
No offense, I'm glad its going well but, dangnabit, I have to live and you guys are making it just so hard...
I think I'm going to have to give up on Alpha Strike and TRO CI this month as it is, and heaven help my wallet of you have any more Jag exclusives at GenCon...the eBay scalpers usually make a killing ;)
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Remember that most or all of this will be available eventually through normal retail and the CGL web store, except for the items clearly marked as exclusives. Not to dissuade anyone from pledging or pledging more, but my understanding at this point is that getting your hands on them won't be a one-shot deal.
This is actually an important point. If you are gaming at a store, and they are willing to stock these products, it may be better in the long run to get some of the stuff from the store instead. In my case, there are stuff that I want doubles (or more) of, and those packs I'm likely to use this KS to get. But others, which I might be able to contain my enthusiasm for, I probably will wait for my LGS to stock/ order in for me, so that I can help sustain a locale to game in.
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This is actually an important point. If you are gaming at a store, and they are willing to stock these products, it may be better in the long run to get some of the stuff from the store instead. In my case, there are stuff that I want doubles (or more) of, and those packs I'm likely to use this KS to get. But others, which I might be able to contain my enthusiasm for, I probably will wait for my LGS to stock/ order in for me, so that I can help sustain a locale to game in.
Well said. And since I WANT THEM ALL (but can't afford them all) this helps my anxiety.
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Yeah, I beg of you, no more Catapults or Zeus! I've got 6 and 7 of them respectively (and will have another Catapult when the starter box arrives) and don't need any more. :-\
So the $600k level also opens up the Great Houses for coin and dice options.
Means I can finally get some FedSun dice to go with my ancient ClickyTech Jade Falcon dice. :)
BYE
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Retaliation add-on as its own retail package. Would save money for those of us that only want the minis and save GoAC for the new players.
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Im generally not much of an add-on type guy; and my contribution is pretty much what I can afford.
That being said, the leather bound limited edition of MechWarrior: Legends? Total no brainer. If you guys can tempt me with an add on, yer doing it right.
Carry on CGL. I’m scared to think where this Kickstarter will end up in 30 days, but I’d you don’t hit 2 million easy, I’ll be shocked.
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Some fun facts I noticed while checking the community section of the ks, 448 of the backers including me have never backed a project before! It was also nice to see the top city's and various country's some backers are from.
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I second this Print on Demand request if it's possible. It's so nice to have physical copies of these books.
I agree I perfer physical copies of novels over PDF. So Print on Demand would be nice to have.
Psy
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This is my first Kickstarter. I hope it won’t be my last Battletech Kickstarter though.
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Some fun facts I noticed while checking the community section of the ks, 448 of the backers including me have never backed a project before! It was also nice to see the top city's and various country's some backers are from.
Its been a bad month for me....the TORG Aysle Kickstarter is ongoing as well
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This is actually an important point. If you are gaming at a store, and they are willing to stock these products, it may be better in the long run to get some of the stuff from the store instead. In my case, there are stuff that I want doubles (or more) of, and those packs I'm likely to use this KS to get. But others, which I might be able to contain my enthusiasm for, I probably will wait for my LGS to stock/ order in for me, so that I can help sustain a locale to game in.
Yup, folks in my area are telling our FLGS about this and asking if they are getting involved- I want to know so I can plot my add-ons and see about pre-ordering through the FLGS so they know the plastics will sell if they go in. I still think CGL should let the fans know what stores took the Merchant option so we can appreciate them, I have stopped in at several stores that supported BT during my travels.
I love how much is out there, and I think its going to be set to nicely stock the shelves with the basic era stuff for a while- especially if its set like the Beginners & GoAC to be self-sustaining.
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Holy cow! I promised myself not to write here, because that would ultimately lead to one more time sink. But since I've been reading here for years and daily so for months, that train has rolled anyway.
This is the most exciting KS I've backed so far. What a ride! :D
Just entered Blood Named for a total of 500 USD. Not sure where this will end for me. My personal tally puts me at 640 to get alle the boxes, Strana Mechty, the MapPack, one Fortress, several dice, one star of Elementals and the dice bag. And we're still within the first 24 hours.
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Still...if the neoprene maps, faction dice, faction kits, museum scale models, dropship and star/lance packs and map sets will be available later, that will be a relief.
The Fortress DropShip is currently for sale on IWM for $64.95, so if nothing else it's available wholly independent of the Kickstarter.
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I just got the green light for Khan. We shall see.
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The Fortress DropShip is currently for sale on IWM for $64.95, so if nothing else it's available wholly independent of the Kickstarter.
But is this the SAME dropship or a newer redesign?
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I'm looking forward for the 525,000$ goal being unlocked. We may get an official construction program application out of this. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :drool:
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Its already at 575k so we have that one lol
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we are lunatics
(http://puu.sh/DUnlX/316f322789.png)
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I'm looking forward for the 525,000$ goal being unlocked. We may get an official construction program application out of this. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :drool:
Actually, we get a proof of concept, but it might lead nowhere too. Still cool since nothing seems to came out of the public call to start one.
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the proof of concept is for a digital record sheets program
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Yeah, sounds like its more of a open beta . . .
and the Legends book is in
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I thought I had my addons all figured out, but then catalyst added a lance pack with a longbow in it. I am compelled to have all the classics.
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But is this the SAME dropship or a newer redesign?
I would be shocked if it was a redesign.
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I thought I had my addons all figured out, but then catalyst added a lance pack with a longbow in it. I am compelled to have all the classics.
5 remain short of plasticized glory
Ost trio, goliath, scorpion
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Are we going to go over 600k in 24 hours?
Really feeling I am going to have to ask for forgiveness . . . and figure out some odd jobs.
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Man, people still forget about the metal Ostscout that was released? ;D. Guess that's a hallmark of a good scout!
5 remain short of plasticized glory
Ost trio, goliath, scorpion
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Man people still forget about the metal Ostscout that was released? ;D
"Plasticized glory" ;)
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not possible because every time it's mentioned it's not available in plastic at least one person reminds us
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I think the point is, the art is already there for the Ostscout. Many people forget it's already been redesigned. Not much among this group I'd imagine however.
not possible because every time it's mentioned it's not available in plastic at least one person reminds us
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You know a interesting point . . . the old Burrock fans can get merch! Trying to remember who besides . . . Hawk? was a Burrock fan. Now I might have to add a pair of Burrock dice.
Or am I off? We get the 7 Invaders, but it only goes up to Homeworld Alert IV which has 2 selected Homeworld Clans (total of 8) . . . and then it opens all 5 IS Houses. Are we really going to end up with 15 of 17 Invasion era Clans?
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there will almost certainly be one more stretch goal to round out all 17
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I would be shocked if it was a redesign.
The current IWM Fortress Dropship is apparently something of a mess. It doesn't look great on the IWM page, I've heard in person from someone who owns one that it's really quite bad.
Also, it doesn't match the aesthetic of the new Mech designs at all.
I backed Galaxy Commander (for the canon character art) but I'm not impressed with the Dropship at all.
I'm also looking for the answer to the question: Will Catalyst accept reference art for the canon character? How will canon characters with art actually be created?
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My only question right now is whether or not we'll hit $600,000 in the first 24 hours.
I lied.
Second question: How many orders of magnitude greater has the turnout been than Cubby and others at CGL expected? :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain. Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.
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So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain. Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.
Same here. It isn't for everyone, but at Star Colonel you get 5 lance packs and 5 duplicates. So if you go fully IS, which I might, you are looking at 10 lances plus the salvage boxes, plus the extra lance I think they are throwing in a a stretch goal. Plus everything else.
Might not be the amount you want to spend, but as Sartris noted, credit cards can carry balances. :drool:
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right now you're looking at $120 for all six announced lances. you'd probably be best off buying two of each a la carte if that's what you're really interested in. A $600 currently gets you 9x2 but if you don't care about the clan box, the Strana Mechty battlemat, a canon character, or the fiction, you're probably better off just buying it outright.
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At this point I think the only stretch goal that would get me excited is if they do one to make all of the BattleCorps stories available again.
(Though I am super stoked we'll finally be getting the complete Founding of the Clans trilogy.)
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The Fortress DropShip is currently for sale on IWM for $64.95, so if nothing else it's available wholly independent of the Kickstarter.
Well...that's embarrassing. How many times have I looked at that site and never noticed it?
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Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.
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without the character art tier, i think you'll end up as either a filler character in a story or a name on a roster. it's probably going to take years for the ~200 of those they're on the hook for before the $200 add-on
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Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.
I think that they'll try to fit as many on to the Alpha Strike Pilot Cards as they can.
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I'm also curious if we can make small suggestions for said character. Nothing elaborate, just pick our faction and/or BattleMech that the character pilots.
It may be a bit out there, but with all these awesome dice options coming out, I wouldn't mind seeing SLDF/Periphery, including Rim Worlds, dice thrown into the mix.
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So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain. Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.
Easiest way would be to pick up what you need, and then pick up the rest from a store or online.
I would assume most/all of these packs would be available outside the kickstarter and, that being the case, it does a lot to ease my own finances.
So many boxes...so little cash
That means first priority on add ons should go to exclusive stuff such as the challenge coins. Stuff like the maps, neoprene maps, museum scale mechs, faction kits, dice sets, map tubes and so on aren't marked as exclusive so I would assume.....ASSUME....and hope they'd be available outside the Kickstarter.
I know I want as much as I can get but just the challenge coins alone would $200+ for a full set.
Then there are the two dice bags, the leatherbound book, and the other exclusives. I assume the daggerstar is free, but I hope they'd have an add on, or maybe even a personalisation option depicting a Clan.
And, of course, further options and stretch goals
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without the character art tier, i think you'll end up as either a filler character in a story or a name on a roster. it's probably going to take years for the ~200 of those they're on the hook for before the $200 add-on
I'm worried it's going to be a side bar saying something like, " and the following soldiers all took part in the battle...." followed by a list of names.
I think that they'll try to fit as many on to the Alpha Strike Pilot Cards as they can.
That would be much cooler than being in a block of names. Personally hoping for being in a book though. Notable pilot in a TRO would be awesome.
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Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.
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Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.
Totally agree. I wish CGL/BattleTech all the success in the world, but at some point you wonder about sustainability and delivering a good product!
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I'm worried it's going to be a side bar saying something like, " and the following soldiers all took part in the battle...." followed by a list of names.
your worry is probably justified because i doubt it can be reasonably executed in a time period not measured in years any other way. all the $300 tier promises is that you'll name a character that will appear in fiction or a sourcebook. if one reads that as anything more than the briefest of cameos based on the quantity they have to deal with, one will probably be disappointed with the result. The pilot card gives some hope for more substantial placement, but there are only going to be so many of those
Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.
I had the same thought about $250,000 ago xp
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So, being mostly interested in the IS resculpts (I already have the two current sets), I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the 5 lance packs without totally breaking the bank... I really wish that there was a Company Commander tier after Star Captain. Basically an $80 tier that lets you pick 4 Lance box's or something like that and qualifies for extras.
You can take the 1$ pledge and add the lances you want as add-ons.
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Bloody hell, they're 10k short of 600k. O_O the problem I fear is that with any more stretch goals, assuming there are any, they might be stretching themselves a bit too far. There's gonna be hundreds of pics to do, as well as the designs and the like. We know Mr Scroggins has done the 3050 invasion era Clan Mechs, and we know he's working on the last of the classic NuSeen and others. But by adding more strectch goals its more to produce and more work for a fairly limited number of folks.
Yeah, they set themselves a very dense set of stretch goals on the way to the first half-million.
We just have to trust that CGL did all the planning up front so the numbers to line up when it's time for production to start.
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watching the stretch goals pile up makes me think of a street performer spinning plates. the more money people put in his hat, the more plates he spins. the crowd is wildly impressed by all the plates, but slowly becomes morbidly curious as to how he plans to keep them all going
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Well, to me, those stretch goals all seems to have been though before the KS, so they must have taken into account what each would represent workwise. (hopefully! :P)
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Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.
Star Colonels get a canon character.
Based on past efforts, I would assume you'd pick a name and it'd be mentioned....somewhere.
You'd be a Mechwarrior in Genetic Unit A, or a passerby suddenly asked for his opinion on the latest match in S7. Maybe you'd be the father of current hero Hero McHeroic or his best friend or her mentor or an ancestor.
Or a pet poodle.
Galaxy Commanders are likely to be more involved. They get a character name and MechWarrior custom art meaning we are possibly looking at the next batch of pilot cards....and (possibly) a more involved backstory for a few. Others would probably see their likeness crop up in art, with just a nameplate and no text.
Not quite "generic citizen A" but close.
We also have Hope and Glory IV...the "new channel" to honour the backers...and Hope and Glory I, II and III which will see characters needed for a short story, novella and novel so lots of potential there as well.
Now, personally I'd be happy with a short bio somewhere and I know players don't need to see my ugly mug but there does seem to be a fair few options, but I suspect only a few will be "meaningful" and most of those would be for the Khan's.
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Yeah, they set themselves a very dense set of stretch goals on the way to the first half-million.
We just have to trust that CGL did all the planning up front so the numbers to line up when it's time for production to start.
Seyla.
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I'm also curious if we can make small suggestions for said character. Nothing elaborate, just pick our faction and/or BattleMech that the character pilots.
It may be a bit out there, but with all these awesome dice options coming out, I wouldn't mind seeing SLDF/Periphery, including Rim Worlds, dice thrown into the mix.
It would be a nice touch, but a bit unrealistic. I don't think it'd be something they can guarantee.
It might be a nice option to have...push a name, faction, era and a short bio and if it can be accommodated, then they might see what they can do.
But with almost 200 GCs and Khan's at just Day 2, even that would be unrealistic. I know I'd like the option of doing so, but I suspect it would be wasted effort. Fun but wasted.
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Dealing with all the vendors to pull everything together is not unlike Bruce lee fighting an army of Kung fu warriors while also watching your sister’s cats. A plan will make that easier but it’s still a question of how many times, not if, you’re going to get punched in the face
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It would be a nice touch, but a bit unrealistic. I don't think it'd be something they can guarantee.
which is what makes me kinda glad i didn't have the budget for that option.. as cool as it would be to canonize my HBS Battletech character, the agent of clan wolverine. :)
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I talked myself into the +warrior art tier so y’all definitely are getting all of this ugly in your face.
I do not apologize
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a break down of fiction would be . . .
August- Proliferation Cycle, 6 stories
Dec 2019- Founding of the Clans I & maybe II?
2020- Founding of the Clans III
TBD/August?- 1 Hour goal short story
TBD- Honor & Glory I, II, III featuring backer characters in short stories
TBD- H&G IV serial featuring backer character
So . . . FotC III has a opening for you to be named since from what I can find it was never written, the short story goal, while H&G I/II/III/IV will feature a backer as the POV character, there is a good chance for them to be sprinkled in. I would say if you have a female name, its more likely to be included sooner.
I wonder what sort of bid they would get for . . . "Be the character whose mech 'accidentally' steps on Malvina Hazen after she ejects from her Shrike."
marauder 648, if you notice the only things promised to be delivered in 2020 is some of the early stretch goals- for instance if you selected the Clan Command Star Box, Inner Sphere Command Lance Box (with Salvage Box), and did a Add-On of the Support Star . . . the Command boxes are going to be what is slated to be pushed out March 2020. The Support Star along with any other mech boxes from the 210k stretch onward do not seem to be in the same state of readiness and so they might not be available to be shipped when the Invasion Expansion Box, Command Lance/Star, Battle Lance, Striker Star and Elemental Star.
Cubby, more Salvage Box questions . . . is it just Clan or is it also IS? Will they be from the Invasion Box, Battle Lance & Striker Star if its just from the Clan mechs?
Stretch Goals
I think they are reasonably well thought out, nothing to me is offered outside their wheelhouse EXCEPT maybe the the Tac Case. So its not like they are offering us faction specific beer steins as a add on, its all either variations of what they currently do (fiction, maps, sourcebooks), what they arrange for Cons (dice, coins, t-shirts), or what they have vendor relationships for (IWM for metal figs, the coin/dice guys). We already have 'in dev' line art from Scroggins, and authors pinned down on certain bits of fiction so IMO they were already lined up before hand. I think Spring 2020 for delivery of the 200k & under goals is probably them being conservative . . . and yeah, I may have to wait a bit longer than that for my Support Star box but it will be worth it.
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Indeed, there's lots of time, a year + :) And yeah if we have to wait, then we wait.
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It would be a nice touch, but a bit unrealistic. I don't think it'd be something they can guarantee.
It might be a nice option to have...push a name, faction, era and a short bio and if it can be accommodated, then they might see what they can do.
But with almost 200 GCs and Khan's at just Day 2, even that would be unrealistic. I know I'd like the option of doing so, but I suspect it would be wasted effort. Fun but wasted.
Oh, I know. It's wishful thinking on my part, but one can dream :)
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Nearing $600,000... :D :D :D :thumbsup:
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So for the salvage box mechs, they specify that they are omnimechs, but will the mechs they are picked from be limited to the first couple of sets (So availible early, but fairly limited in types), or every omnimech in the star sets so far (So availible late and entire selection enters roulette) ?
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Retaliation add-on as its own retail package. Would save money for those of us that only want the minis and save GoAC for the new players.
This. I want one AGoAC box set for the maps, but after that, I just want more minis. I don't need the rest of the stuff.
Yup, folks in my area are telling our FLGS about this and asking if they are getting involved- I want to know so I can plot my add-ons and see about pre-ordering through the FLGS so they know the plastics will sell if they go in. I still think CGL should let the fans know what stores took the Merchant option so we can appreciate them, I have stopped in at several stores that supported BT during my travels.
I love how much is out there, and I think its going to be set to nicely stock the shelves with the basic era stuff for a while- especially if its set like the Beginners & GoAC to be self-sustaining.
I know that if I controlled the finances here at work, you can bet your sweet bippy I would have backed this one as a retailer.
However, we got burned by the DUST Tactics Kickstarter, and the boss said, "Never again."
But as soon as SKUs show up on my Distributors' sites, I can guarantee you that pre-orders are going in immediately.
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One thing that occurs to me as a possible stretch goal is adding faction dice and challenge coins for Comstar, the FRR, and the SIC.
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I won’t mind all the lance/star picks being spread out. Extra packages delivered throughout the year rather than all at once. And more time to paint them all (he says as he looks at the pile of unpainted minis from various games)
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I won’t mind all the lance/star picks being spread out. Extra packages delivered throughout the year rather than all at once. And more time to paint them all (he says as he looks at the pile of unpainted minis from various games)
This is horrifically more expensive to ship than one box.
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$600k damn we rock
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Boom! 600k stretch goal reached. Man, this is something to watch. I'm amazed.
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Ladies and gentlemen...and battletech players...that's a Longbow. As well as Great House challenge coin/dice.
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Ladies and gentlemen...and battletech players...that's a Longbow. As well as Great House challenge coin/dice.
Marik dice, Marik challenge coin, Marik faction pack... So. Much. Purple. :drool:
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Still curious how they're going to handle adding in 650+ new characters from people that backed star colonel and above. This reward was my primary reason for backing at galaxy commander so I want to make sure it's worth it.
During a major operation, an Urbanmech accidentally gets ejected from a DropShip, and an Overlord slams into it at relativistic speed. We get a piece of art with a casualty list. ;)
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One thing that occurs to me as a possible stretch goal is adding faction dice and challenge coins for Comstar, the FRR, and the SIC.
FRR YES!
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Over 3000 backers is so awesome! Of course, not a single player around here >:( (But I'm training my oldest!)
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We need another set of stretch goals.
Maybe just tone it down to every $75k now, so things are more sustainable? Or does that go against proven kickstarter strategy?
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At a certain point they’re going to run out of stuff to put in the wagon, right? Right? As others have pointed out, KS campaigns tend to collect the most backers in the first and last 72 hours. See where the pace is at come this weekend and space accordingly
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The facebook stretch goal is also completed. 522 shares at the moment
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Next goal will be dinner plates, scoop them up like max!!
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I don't yet see a stretch goal for a museum scale Urbanmech? Why don't I see this yet? I need to be seeing this...I really, really do. I will up my pledge to Khan if you make a museum-scale Urbie with new art.
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Next goal will be dinner plates, scoop them up like max!!
Heheh :D :D
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I don't yet see a stretch goal for a museum scale Urbanmech? Why don't I see this yet? I need to be seeing this...I really, really do. I will up my pledge to Khan if you make a museum-scale Urbie with new art.
As I understand, that's already for sale at Ikea. :)
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Amazing. :)
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Congrats CGL.
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Probably not a good idea to just keep adding more and more stretch goals.
Scope creep is the death of many a project.
Holy crap, though, good to see this getting funded. I'm all for more minis, and Scroggins has been doing some great redesigns (thought the Grendel among the first wave omnimechs showcases my biggest beef with BT art in that it's never had any real cohesive design, even after a redesign, it still has to resemble the old version, so there's a case of one of these things is not like the other going on)
On another note, any chance there will be a way to get unassembled minis?
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Cubby said yesterday that they already had the stretch goals planned out before the launch, they're just not posting all of them at once.
As far as the design aesthetic goes, when you have dozens of different designs spread out (in-universe) over a period of a century, by dozens of different designers that each have their own ideas on what to do, then yes, it makes sense that you won't end up with a very cohesive single aesthetic.
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I wonder what the Mechwarrior Legends hardback will go for. That one is probably my most anticipated item of this entire Kickstarter.
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$70-80 I would say for the leatherbound LE. $50 for the hopefully eventual standard hardcover
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Interesting statistics:
Where Backers Come From
London United Kingdom 37 backers
Melbourne Australia 36 backers
Chicago United States 34 backers
Sydney Australia 33 backers
Los Angeles United States 32 backers
Seattle United States 29 backers
Madrid Spain 28 backers
Denver United States 24 backers
Toronto Canada 20 backers
Singapore Singapore 20 backers
Top Countries
United States 2,075 backers
Canada 233 backers
United Kingdom 211 backers
Germany 155 backers
Australia 147 backers
Spain 76 backers
Ireland 23 backers
Poland 20 backers
Singapore 20 backers
New Zealand 17 backers
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
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As I understand, that's already for sale at Ikea. :)
Yeah, but that's, like, based on the OLD art! I want a modern take on the trash ca...uh, I mean UrbanMech!
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Interesting statistics:
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
Given where FASA was originally based, Chicago being the biggest source of US backers is fitting.
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FRR YES!
You know, I'm a little surprised the FRR isn't an option now that the Houses are unlocked. The poor FRR was all but destroyed by the Clans those first couple of years of the invasion.
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Interesting statistics:
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
How did you get those stats? Interested to see the numbers from Vancouver Canada
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23 of us in Ireland :D
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It’s under community
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How did you get those stats? Interested to see the numbers from Vancouver Canada
The Community tab on the KS page, that's all. And Vancouver is close to Seattle, and isn't one of the computer game companies based in Vancouver? I may be wrong.
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EA and Relic have offices there
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Cool to see Canada in second, and my original home city so high. I went in or Bloodnamed, and am currently trying to convince myself university tuition is more important than becoming a Star Colonel. I am extremely happy to see how ell this is doing.
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The Community tab on the KS page, that's all. And Vancouver is close to Seattle, and isn't one of the computer game companies based in Vancouver? I may be wrong.
Yes, PGI (MWO) is in DownTown Vancouver....about 5 blocks from my Office (when I go into the office)
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I've been toying with upgrading too, but you may get better value for money adding lance/star packs after the KS closes via the kickstarter. It's not like the KS is under threat of not making the vig ... Depends what you're looking for (minis! All the minis! for me)
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Cubby, I have a pretty serious question to add to your list when you're up and about in the morning. Addresses. If there will be wave splits for product delivery, how will CGL handle people needing to change addresses in the interim? Some baker systems and campaigns lock addresses at a fixed time before delivery. With wave delivery, that's not tenable if the interval is long enough. Some people simply have to move frequently.
I'm told that this is a bit tricky, but a known problem with KS's with fulfillment that occurs over a timespan of a few months. The answer is that there may have to be a second shipping recompile after the first wave of fulfillment. Management is talking to the pledge manager about it, to gain some insight on how it'll be handled.
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Any news for the Stone Rhino and the Night Gyr? Maybe in the next Star Pack?
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Given where FASA was originally based, Chicago being the biggest source of US backers is fitting.
Then where are all the players?!
Hopefully that will change then!
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Someone asked about dice bags - the answer is that there will be two, one Clan and one IS.
All, bear with me as I try to keep up. I may not always be able to give a personalized answer with the original post quoted anymore. I generally can't get answers right away, and the posts on this thread alone are coming so fast that I almost always get a notification that two more responses were posted in the time it took me to write just this much.
We're catching what we can, but understand that you may have to be patient, and ask more than once. Thanks.
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Questions have flowed . . . maybe not as fast as the money but . . .
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Two things: CGL had dice bags for sale at Origins. I'll see if I can remember to grab a pic of the one I bought there and upload it, assuming it is the same one that will be part of the KS.
Second, I just updated my mini-counter spreadsheet, and without any add-ons CGL is now up to needing a minimum of 93,885 minis! That includes the $500k orbital drop reward. With add-ons, it will probably be significantly more! Way to go!
At this point, I'd be fine with CGL backing off the other rewards and only having minis at the 50k and 100k increments as stretch goals. Or just letting it ride without more stretch goals...other than my museum-scale Urbie. I still NEED that!
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Two things: CGL had dice bags for sale at Origins. I'll see if I can remember to grab a pic of the one I bought there and upload it, assuming it is the same one that will be part of the KS.
Second, I just updated my mini-counter spreadsheet, and without any add-ons CGL is now up to needing a minimum of 93,885 minis! That includes the $500k orbital drop reward. With add-ons, it will probably be significantly more! Way to go!
At this point, I'd be fine with CGL backing off the other rewards and only having minis at the 50k and 100k increments as stretch goals. Or just letting it ride without more stretch goals...other than my museum-scale Urbie. I still NEED that!
I'm reasonably sure that is more BattleMechs than all of the Great Houses, Comstar, Periphery, Pirates, and all of the Clans fielded combined in 3050.
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Two things: CGL had dice bags for sale at Origins. I'll see if I can remember to grab a pic of the one I bought there and upload it, assuming it is the same one that will be part of the KS.
The KS page says they will be "created exclusively for this kickstarter, and will never be offered again".
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Holding out the tiniest sliver of hope that we see even a little St. Ives merch out of this. It's era-appropriate... ;)
And if not, I'm still excited.
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During a major operation, an Urbanmech accidentally gets ejected from a DropShip, and an Overlord slams into it at relativistic speed. We get a piece of art with a casualty list. ;)
So, pic attached then.
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I thought I had my addons all figured out, but then catalyst added a lance pack with a longbow in it. I am compelled to have all the classics.
Yeah, same here. My "gimme, gimme list" sums up to 685 USD. That is beyond what I want to spend. But then: Today is my birthday plus it's not going to be pay day for one more month.
So I'm doubly excused, right?
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And the 7th tier of stretch goals is up. That's some cool looking stuff.
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Premium record sheets don't interest me that much, but that Initiative Deck? THAT sounds fun!
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it'll save me from using a regular deck of cards
Or occasionally a Love Letter set.
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Hopefully these will last longer than a day
I’d rather the IS lances continue to scrogify the 3025/3039 set but the clan star caught my eye with the vixen and peregrine. The solitaire gives the star a near civil war feel
Yes to the initiative deck.
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Warhammer Turntable? Is that like the Timberwolf one above?
And after the Warhammer lance, I was eh about them . . . but the Berserker lance? Oh yeah, save me from having to build mechs of fiddly-bits.
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There have been multiple questions about which Mechs will be in the Salvage Boxes.
They will be drawn from the Clan Invasion box set and the first two to four Clan Star Packs scheduled for production. Basically, the ones that are done or will be done in time for the first wave of fulfillment.
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First Twitter Social Media Mission Complete - Image Gallery 1 unlocked
As promised, here's the design gallery for a trio of redesigned BattleMechs, the reward for achieving the first Twitter Social Media Mission! Retweet the post pinned to the top of our Twitter profile a total of 500 times to unlock more!
https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151974068708675585
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First Twitter Social Media Mission Complete - Image Gallery 1 unlocked
As promised, here's the design gallery for a trio of redesigned BattleMechs, the reward for achieving the first Twitter Social Media Mission! Retweet the post pinned to the top of our Twitter profile a total of 500 times to unlock more!
https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151974068708675585
Oh, mama mia! That Mad Dog is gorgeous.
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Damn...that Banshee looks killer!!! :drool: :drool:
And what do you think about the Wolf's Dragoons origin story novel?
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I think it will be interesting to see how the Dragoons formed and trained to fight in ways they were not used to, how Natasha Kerensky joined, see how the other Clans reacted to the proposal. Maybe we'll even get a Cranston Snord cameo with little Rhonda.
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Interesting statistics:
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
Hopefully this provides CGL to set up a distro center here is Aus to keep shipping prices down (They've got about 45 days to figure out shipping costs)
I find it strange that there is no FedCom faction option.
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I think it will be interesting to see how the Dragoons formed and trained to fight in ways they were not used to, how Natasha Kerensky joined, see how the other Clans reacted to the proposal. Maybe we'll even get a Cranston Snord cameo with little Rhonda.
Again, why no love for the Pony Soldiers, ELH? The Dragoons were filthy Clanner spies. Why does everyone forget this.
P.O.N.Y. SOLDIERS, keepers of the Hope that was the Star League. Not those techno-savages.
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Ugh, the art looks too much like MWO's art. Yes yes, in-dev stuff.
At least the classics all look good so far.
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First Twitter Social Media Mission Complete - Image Gallery 1 unlocked
As promised, here's the design gallery for a trio of redesigned BattleMechs, the reward for achieving the first Twitter Social Media Mission! Retweet the post pinned to the top of our Twitter profile a total of 500 times to unlock more!
https://twitter.com/CGL_BattleTech/status/1151974068708675585
Holy...now I may have to rethink how many Inner Sphere Heavy Lances I want...
Ruger
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Again, why no love for the Pony Soldiers, ELH? The Dragoons were filthy Clanner spies. Why does everyone forget this.
P.O.N.Y. SOLDIERS, keepers of the Hope that was the Star League. Not those techno-savages.
The fact that the Dragoons were scouting for the Clan Invasion, and this campaign is for the Clan Invasion box set, probably has something to do with it.
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Catalyst, could you please stop releasing so many awesome-looking new minis for this? There are only so may packs I can afford to get!
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The fact that the Dragoons were scouting for the Clan Invasion, and this campaign is for the Clan Invasion box set, probably has something to do with it.
S Y N E R G Y
Catalyst, could you please stop releasing so many awesome-looking new minis for this? There are only so may packs I can afford to get!
The banshee is ridiculous
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Any news for the Stone Rhino and the Night Gyr? Maybe in the next Star Pack?
I think I could support an unPhoenixed StoneRhino.
I'm not a fan of the redesign.
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The Tukayyid Premium Battlemaps are double sided, right? That's why there's a bonus 8th map?
Also would anyone else surprised if there would be another map added to the pack so you don't have to have two copies of Stana Mechty map to get the circle of equals map?
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For 500 backers this is their first kickstarter. Good for them! :thumbsup:
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I've never really been tempted to join in on a Kickstarter campaign. However, when I saw Catalyst was creating one for Battletech, I had to jump in with both feet and into the deep end of the pool.
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S Y N E R G Y
Or bias. I already know how awesomely awesome the Dragoons are. My Jade Falcon heart yearns for less wolves.
How about a story or stories from the FRR perspective, which we never really got. FRR could use some love. Desperate holding actions, bitter defeats, despair; you know something different. Rather than more wolves. Just throwing it out there.
I'm in full support of an updated Stone Rhino mini.
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I think I could support an unPhoenixed StineRhino.
I'm not a fan of the redesign.
Ditto
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Or bias. I already know how awesomely awesome the Dragoons are. My Jade Falcon heart yearns for less wolves.
How about a story or stories from the FRR perspective, which we never really got. FRR could use some love. Desperate holding actions, bitter defeats, despair; you know something different. Rather than more wolves. Just throwing it out there.
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I just don’t care that much so you can be right. Whatever the focus I’m not a huge stackpole fan
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Score! I can actually get some Snow Raven dice and such!
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@ Cubby
1 - Could you kindly investigate the possibility of having the 5 x Clan Mechs from the Clan Invasion Box Set, made available separately as a Clan Star add-on (similar to how you have done so for the Beginner and AGoAC Box Sets), so that those who wish to have multiples of those Mechs, can do so without having to purchase multiple Clan Invasion Box Sets...I imagine that there are a significant amount of people who would like to be able to purchase multiples of the Timber Wolf.
2 - Could you guys also investigate the possibility of having a fulfilment centre in Australia to service backers from Australia and New Zealand more reasonably in terms of shipping costs. Having the pledges freight-shipped from China to a fulfilment centre in Australia to then be distributed to us down here, would be cheaper for us than having them freight-shipped to the US and then air-mailed to us down here.
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Question.
I guess I had made some assumptions that aren't necessarily warranted. I had been assuming that I was getting a Clan Character name canonized, since the focus was on the clans with this kickstarter (clan omnis, clan ranks for tiers, etc). Is it equally likely that I would wind up some filthy spheroid?
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Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
Probably due to Australia's population base being more concentrated in the major cities (especially the East Coast) than other countries...
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Interesting statistics:
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
I'm more shocked by Madrid frankly, seeing how there's really no BT products released in Spanish that I am aware of.
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Question.
I guess I had made some assumptions that aren't necessarily warranted. I had been assuming that I was getting a Clan Character name canonized, since the focus was on the clans with this kickstarter (clan omnis, clan ranks for tiers, etc). Is it equally likely that I would wind up some filthy spheroid?
Speaking as an equally non-informed person, I do believe they said you could provide input about what you wanted your canon char to be, and they'd try to make that work. So....maybe not SaKhan, but a Clanner? Likely.
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Question.
I guess I had made some assumptions that aren't necessarily warranted. I had been assuming that I was getting a Clan Character name canonized, since the focus was on the clans with this kickstarter (clan omnis, clan ranks for tiers, etc). Is it equally likely that I would wind up some filthy spheroid?
It seems equally likely to me. The IS is the enemy, so they need names, too. Maybe they should add another level at a higher rate to choose specific details from a limited range or something.
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I'd imagine the canon character thing will be like something where one fills out a form for "name, occupation (select option), nationality/culture, etc.", and CGL will then use those in places they find appropriate.
I highly doubt folks get to chance to write an elaborate background for themselves, or make themselves big deals within the Inner Sphere.
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Well, I've upped to Star Colonel and that may be it for me. 95 percent of this will eventually be available for retail, and I'm not seeing any major savings on most of it to justify getting it all at once through the Kickstarter. $20/25 looks close to retail for the lance/star packs. Double forces is a nice bonus, but I'd like to be able to choose two different packs instead of getting two of the same. The map packs and battlemats are the same price as the last ones.
I have to see if the leather-bound version of Legends is Kickstarter exclusive, if so it'll be my last add-on.
I think my 6 'Mech packs will be the Command Lance, Battle Lance, Direct Fire Lance, Fire Star, Support Star and Heavy Battle Star.
I'd love to get one of everything, but I'm not made of money unfortunately.
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Speaking as an equally non-informed person, I do believe they said you could provide input about what you wanted your canon char to be, and they'd try to make that work. So....maybe not SaKhan, but a Clanner? Likely.
Yeah, I don't expect to pick ranks, but my enthusiasm decreases if I'm totally rudderless on faction. It's such an important part of battletech to me.
I'd imagine the canon character thing will be like something where one fills out a form for "name, occupation (select option), nationality/culture, etc.", and CGL will then use those in places they find appropriate.
I highly doubt folks get to chance to write an elaborate background for themselves, or make themselves big deals within the Inner Sphere.
I Don't expect any of that really. I just don't want to wind up in a faction I loathe is all.
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1 - Could you kindly investigate the possibility of having the 5 x Clan Mechs from the Clan Invasion Box Set, made available separately as a Clan Star add-on (similar to how you have done so for the Beginner and AGoAC Box Sets), so that those who wish to have multiples of those Mechs, can do so without having to purchase multiple Clan Invasion Box Sets...I imagine that there are a significant amount of people who would like to be able to purchase multiples of the Timber Wolf.
Not Cubby, but the Clan Star Pack addon is "one Clan star Pack from any packs unlocked in the campaign". The power of Cubby transcends time! :D
Yep, I decided not to go jump a level, I'll use the cash to add mini packs. ALL the minis. This will be ... expensive. But worth it.
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Speaking as an equally non-informed person, I do believe they said you could provide input about what you wanted your canon char to be, and they'd try to make that work. So....maybe not SaKhan, but a Clanner? Likely.
That'd be great....if true.
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I'd imagine the canon character thing will be like something where one fills out a form for "name, occupation (select option), nationality/culture, etc.", and CGL will then use those in places they find appropriate.
I highly doubt folks get to chance to write an elaborate background for themselves, or make themselves big deals within the Inner Sphere.
Fortunately, my character is already a big deal so I don't have to worry about that.
Seriously, you're probably right. I wonder how many people will attach a short bio anyway ;)
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Fortunately, my character is already a big deal so I don't have to worry about that.
Seriously, you're probably right. I wonder how many people will attach a short bio anyway ;)
If people get to do their thing, i reckon we'll see a lot of Khan-killers or mercenary lords who conquered hundreds of systems with a lance of 'Mechs, or other shit like that.
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I wonder if they'd take the name "Chimkin McNuggnugg" for a character name. Maybe if Loren Coleman were making the decision.
(I joke of course. If I had the extra money to spend on getting to name a character, I'd much rather spend it on lance packs)
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Huh. Where did the Sarabus come from? I know I saw the design before, but it's somehow not searchable in MUL, so I'm sort of drawing a blank.
EDIT: Oh wait, is it the Scarabus? If so, typo in the stretch goals.
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Huh. Where did the Sarabus come from? I know I saw the design before, but it's somehow not searchable in MUL, so I'm sort of drawing a blank.
Scarabus, not Sarabus.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=scarabus
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Scarabus, not Sarabus.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=scarabus
Yeah, broaden my search a little and found it. Seems to be a typo in the stretch goals.
.... can we rename that design to commemorate the KS? ;D
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I wonder if the Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker and Naga are anywhere waiting for us in future stretch goals?
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I wonder if the Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker and Naga are anywhere waiting for us in future stretch goals?
Before today I'd have pointed out that they're not in TRO: Clan Invasion.
Then we got the Star with the Pack Hunter, Peregrine, Horned Owl, Solitaire, and Incubus, and I don't know what's real anymore.
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Hey! Look at that. A 'Mech I don't own already. The Berserker pack is great, and I don't own a Scarbarus. I wonder if the FS Omni will actually have the sword?
Who'd have thunk Melbourne and Sydney were #2 and #4 respectively!
It's sad that Melbourne is beating Sydney. My home town should never be below that place! :D
BYE
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Not Cubby, but the Clan Star Pack addon is "one Clan star Pack from any packs unlocked in the campaign". The power of Cubby transcends time!
No, hang on. I know what he’s asking here—can the five Mechs from the Clan Invasion boxed set be their own Star Pack-priced add-on, without having to buy the whole box again. That has NOT been determined at this time.
It’s been a very common request since we went live. I’ll ping management again on it.
Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
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The oversized metal statues stretch goals feel strange,as they are of no practical value to me. I'd rather have something I can use directly in the game. How about more free "Salvage Boxes", please? ;)
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Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
Please do. We're a long way away, and many Kickstarters have started getting Oz or Oceania-friendly shipping hubs to reduce the very large shipping costs we face.
BYE
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I'll third the hope for an Aussie distribution hub.
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Cubby,
I understand the Kickstarter Exclusives will only be available through pledging during this time period and those items are specifically listed as "Exclusive". Everything else will be available for retail at a later date. Is that a correct statement? Also, do you expect the retail prices to change?
I ask because AGoAC is the only add-on listed with a retail value of $60 for a $50 add-on.
Thanks,
Matt
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Given my inability to find the AGoAC box in a local store, the Kickstarter is looking like the way to get it... along with all those juicy IS lances...
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Cubby - how good are the odds we see renders or artwork of the rest of the mechs before the 'starter is over.
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No, hang on. I know what he’s asking here—can the five Mechs from the Clan Invasion boxed set be their own Star Pack-priced add-on, without having to buy the whole box again. That has NOT been determined at this time.
It’s been a very common request since we went live. I’ll ping management again on it.
Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
Yes, that's precisely what I mean Cubby...and thanks and thanks :)
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The oversized metal statues stretch goals feel strange,as they are of no practical value to me. I'd rather have something I can use directly in the game. How about more free "Salvage Boxes", please? ;)
The only thing wrong with the museum models...from my pov....is the "some assembly required" small print.
I prefer the heft of metal and the simplicity of plastic.
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Still lobbying for the third Museum Scale to be a solid gold Urbanmech. :D
BYE
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What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.
For the characters I'm guessing that your characters rank will, where possible, match your backer level, which could make things interesting as the only good name I can come up with is the one I used for my character in my one Shadowun game: Nevyn from the Deverry Cycle, which means No Name.
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What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.
Think those things are about 10cm tall, i think? Display pieces.
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What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.
For the characters I'm guessing that your characters rank will, where possible, match your backer level, which could make things interesting as the only good name I can come up with is the one I used for my character in my one Shadowun game: Nevyn from the Deverry Cycle, which means No Name.
I dunno, at least with a model railway gauge, I can walk into a hobby shop and say, "I need N-Scale buildings..."
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I hope they make it to 700k. I'd like see new novel come out.
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Ok I am in.... I will figure out the options I want latter.
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The oversized metal statues stretch goals feel strange,as they are of no practical value to me. I'd rather have something I can use directly in the game. How about more free "Salvage Boxes", please? ;)
Speak for yourself, I'd love to have these gracing my bookcases.
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nothing wrong with a little variety
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Number-crunched that I had the funds without needing more student loans, so I am now a Star Colonel. I can't wait to be a redshirt in some battle.
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what scale IS that Metal Timber Wolf Statue?
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"museum scale"
i have no idea what that means
it's about 3.5" tall
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I dunno, at least with a model railway gauge, I can walk into a hobby shop and say, "I need N-Scale buildings..."
The problem is that not all trains use track of the same width. Right by my house there's wide gauge suburban tracks alongside national standard gauge, if I brought models of the trains that run along these tracks at 'N-Scale' they wouldn't run on the same track.
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Going by the below thread, "Museum" scale is 1/144, or 12mm scale.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=8054.0
"1:144 (~12 mm (0.472 in) figure) scale modelling and miniatures are considered closely related to N scale (1:148-1:160 scale) (~10 mm (0.394 in) figure) and many pieces from both scales can be used interchangeably."
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based on some searching, if the new ones are the same 'museum scale' as the old ones, it might be 1/144 scale.
Ah, I see Two Guns found the same thread I did.
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based on some searching, if the new ones are the same 'museum scale' as the old ones, it might be 1/144 scale.
Ah, I see Two Guns found the same thread I did.
Ah, so in Gunpla terms it's the same as HG or real grade.
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Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
@Cubby,
On local gaming forums, there is no small amount of concern that if people back this Kickstarter, especially so to a large degree and end up with literally a couple dozen or more boxes of pre-packages mini's, that the shipping from the US, especially so if the CGL shipping method (aka their online store shipping) is used, then the shipping is prohibitive, and as such some people are understandably not willing to pledge if the end result is likely to be a massive kick in the nuts for shipping.
If a fulfilment centre in Australia could be secured, something which a great many kickstarters do now, I feel a much more significant number of backers from Australia and NZ would be secured.
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I admit, I'd prefer if if I just got an ordinary brown box with all of the minis rather than a dozen retail boxes I'm just going to throw out anyway.
Both less packaging materials wasted, but also less of my time wasted unpacking everything.
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The problem is that not all trains use track of the same width. Right by my house there's wide gauge suburban tracks alongside national standard gauge, if I brought models of the trains that run along these tracks at 'N-Scale' they wouldn't run on the same track.
That's the problem with the IRL train gauges. If you buy two buildings in N-gauge (1/144 ~ 1/150), the buildings would work with each other.
And N-gauge/ scale works sort of nicely with Battletech. Battletech is about 1/285 to my understanding, so N gauge is 2x basically. Some of the more "scale friendly" buildings can be easily used for Battlemechs to shoot up.
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I admit, I'd prefer if if I just got an ordinary brown box with all of the minis rather than a dozen retail boxes I'm just going to throw out anyway.
Both less packaging materials wasted, but also less of my time wasted unpacking everything.
Wrap them up and open one a month and pretend it's your birthday.
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Re: Aus/NZ fulfillment - I don’t know who / how the company is contracted with at the moment to do fulfillment, but I’ll pass along the request.
Cheers! I am also in the camp of hoping for a local Aussie distribution center, shipping is liable to be a fairly substantial amount otherwise - which is money that could instead be put towards more lovely plastic 'mechs. Currently, I have been discussing combining my pledge with those of some locals who have shown interest in picking it up in order to save on shipping, but we'd all be much happier being able to do our own separate ones.
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Stating the obvious, but last lance has moved into the inner sphere post-invasion designs. Even the axeman isn't a classic.
Be interesting to see what else turns up.
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Uh? Produced 3048 . . . the question is, is the mech included in TRO Clan Invasion. The Clan mechs got past that recently with the secondlines like Pack Hunter and Solitaire.
I am excited for that Star Pack, I hated putting the Solitaire together even if it looks good.
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Already at 675K...that's crazy.
@Cubby: When will the Mechwarrior: Legends hardback be added to the Add-ons sections with a price-tag? I need to update my spreadsheet
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Uh? Produced 3048 . . . the question is, is the mech included in TRO Clan Invasion. The Clan mechs got past that recently with the secondlines like Pack Hunter and Solitaire.
I am excited for that Star Pack, I hated putting the Solitaire together even if it looks good.
Pretty sure he's talking about the Berserker
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I assume there's an upper limit to the stretch goals, because this is going to be a huge amount of work for the artists and production teams and adding more just adds more stress, more work.
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I assume there's an upper limit to the stretch goals, because this is going to be a huge amount of work for the artists and production teams and adding more just adds more stress, more work.
Yup, I'd like to see more stretch goals involving novels.
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I meant axeman, and that it was a tro:3050 original, not a 3025 refit.
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If anyone has missed it, the FAQ was updated with more info about canon characters.
"Yes. The whole idea here is that you will become part of the BattleTech universe. As a canon character, you will get to name a character and can provide a short bio. Faction. Unit. Maybe homeward and honors and rank.
We reserve editorial rights to prevent obscenities or internet goofiness. No Boaty McBoatface!
With custom art, we will ask you for a photo to base the sketch on and it will also be used in a sourcebook our other product in order to permanently add your likeness into the lore of BattleTech.
Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a thousand, characters from this. It will take time, and we will naturally start with higher pledge levels. It's a truly incredible undertaking, but we will find a way!"
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Mecher McMechson
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:o WOW!! I see thing going to slow down now which good. That give everyone a chance catch up to both backers and the people at Cat Lab. You all know we have 29 more days to go so calm down. I love the list of countries of the backers .
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Cubby,
I understand the Kickstarter Exclusives will only be available through pledging during this time period and those items are specifically listed as "Exclusive". Everything else will be available for retail at a later date. Is that a correct statement? Also, do you expect the retail prices to change?
I ask because AGoAC is the only add-on listed with a retail value of $60 for a $50 add-on.
Thanks,
Matt
My current understanding is that anything not specifically called an exclusive should be available at retail at some future date. I know, I hate all the caveats in that sentence too, but in some cases we're talking about product that's little more than a glimmer in someone's eye at this point. So guaranteeing with absolute certainty that it'll be available on store shelves is not something I can do.
Cubby - how good are the odds we see renders or artwork of the rest of the mechs before the 'starter is over.
That's hard for me to answer, because I don't know the exact stage of the process that Anthony is on for all 60+. There's a fair number that have no renders or artwork at all, for sure, and I have honestly no idea whether he can or would be able to generate them in the next 29 days.
I know Anthony cares a great deal about quality control and is thoughtful about what he shows publicly, so it's unlikely he'd hit the gas and just get something out for all of them if it means showing work he's not happy with. Which I wholeheartedly agree with, for a few reasons. One, it's not worth showing something before it's ready, because we'll never convince the internet that, "don't worry, it'll be better when it's done"--why show it at all, then. Two, revealing art and renders over the next few months after the KS ends gives me more content to share and keep backers engaged.
So the simplest answer is, "It'll vary depending on the Mech, but there should be at least a few more renders or pieces of development art to share."
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If anyone has missed it, the FAQ was updated with more info about canon characters.
"Yes. The whole idea here is that you will become part of the BattleTech universe. As a canon character, you will get to name a character and can provide a short bio. Faction. Unit. Maybe homeward and honors and rank.
We reserve editorial rights to prevent obscenities or internet goofiness. No Boaty McBoatface!
With custom art, we will ask you for a photo to base the sketch on and it will also be used in a sourcebook our other product in order to permanently add your likeness into the lore of BattleTech.
Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a thousand, characters from this. It will take time, and we will naturally start with higher pledge levels. It's a truly incredible undertaking, but we will find a way!"
Checking now. That’s doesn’t sound right.
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Mecher McMechson
Dropship McDropshipFace
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Checking now. That’s doesn’t sound right.
The idea of getting a short bio did seem like a fanciful thought. I would be happy with just a name/faction/unit. But if I did get a short bio, I wouldn't complain.
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The idea of getting a short bio did seem like a fanciful thought. I would be happy with just a name/faction/unit. But if I did get a short bio, I wouldn't complain.
This is something we absolutely nailed down and now the FAQ contradicts it.
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Cubby - how good are the odds we see renders or artwork of the rest of the mechs before the 'starter is over.
No. We will see a few more, but not all, no.
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What does 'Museum Scale' scale even mean? I mean it's better then using model railway gauges, but still.
For the characters I'm guessing that your characters rank will, where possible, match your backer level, which could make things interesting as the only good name I can come up with is the one I used for my character in my one Shadowun game: Nevyn from the Deverry Cycle, which means No Name.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=61447.0
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Checking now. That’s doesn’t sound right.
No, it doesn't but it'd be great if it did and it does give the reward a bit more heft.
Nor does the FAQ commit CGL to use or even read said bios.
But, there are a couple of hundred at least, probably more by the time the KS finishes.
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But, there are a couple of hundred at least, probably more by the time the KS finishes.
There are nearly 1,000 at the moment. We decided when building the KS that we can only guarantee names are used. The FAQ gives the wrong impression.
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Question? Is the Dragoon visual novel that if we hit 700,000 level going to be able to be POD enable?
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Question? Is the Dragoon visual novel that if we hit 700,000 level going to be able to be POD enable?
Please this. I so perfer paper over ebook.
Psy
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There are nearly 1,000 at the moment. We decided when building the KS that we can only guarantee names are used. The FAQ gives the wrong impression.
To be honest, to be 1 in a cast of thousands is to be an extra. Even in the vastness of the Inner Sphere, the odds are good that the extra -- especially since a lot are going to written up as Mechwarriors -- become cannon fodder.
So, top tip: write up your character as a lonesome farmer out in the Periphery somewhere; that way he might be intriguing enough to get written up to stumble upon a Castle Brian and defending the world from irascible pirates in his SLDF Highlander.... ;D
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There are nearly 1,000 at the moment. We decided when building the KS that we can only guarantee names are used. The FAQ gives the wrong impression.
On one hand, I'm happy to get it cleared up. On the other, I feel like the tattletale :)
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The mob will gather with pitchforks and torches either way so you are absolved of guilt
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There are nearly 1,000 at the moment. We decided when building the KS that we can only guarantee names are used. The FAQ gives the wrong impression.
Does this also apply to the galaxy commander / khan tiers? Or does the character plus art mean a more substantial entry? That may change my pledge to a lower tier + addons
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If I do pledge, this will be the first time I actually put money into a Kickstarter. I missed the HBS one, and I’m still kicking myself over it — I needed a new civvie jacket at the time (hell, I still do!), so I really, really wanted the Davion swag. Nonetheless, I find myself sitting here and doing the maths.
The funny part is, of the minis themselves, I only really want the Clan Invasion box and one each of the IS Battle and IS Command, so I can get a Mad Cat and some Classics onto a mapsheet, which at first glance means I’d simply be plumping for a Star Captaincy pledge.
Except: I also can’t pass up the faction-pack, which would tack on another $40... and at that point I might as well go Bloodnamed and get the bonus two star/lance-packs, for duplicate Classics.
Except: like so many others, I also want my chance to become a canon character, which automatically makes it cheaper to go Star Colonel and wind up with a Cluster of ’Mechs!
Except: that sweet, sweet Fortress-class DS is just calling my name, and a canon character really should have a portrait, right?
[sigh] Looks like I need to reshuffle some numbers, because it would seem my Christmas present to myself in 2020 is going to be a slot as a Galaxy Commander/AFFC Kommandant-General.... :D
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I have really been hoping to see the rest of the Combat Manual series as stretch goals. They're even set in the Invasion era. Maybe they still will put them in, but I think it's unlikely at this point. The new minis look great, but I'd rather have the complete CM set.
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I'm seriously thinking of bumping up my pledge up to Galaxy Commander. It would be giving myself my birthday and Xmas present early, bit it's oh so tempting.
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I have really been hoping to see the rest of the Combat Manual series as stretch goals. They're even set in the Invasion era. Maybe they still will put them in, but I think it's unlikely at this point. The new minis look great, but I'd rather have the complete CM set.
I suggest anyone wanting that to go post in the Kickstarter page’s comments.
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Trace, like you its the first time I ever did anything through Kickstarter after looking at other projects. HBS happened when I could not afford it, otherwise I would have done that . . . I think its significant that over 15% of the people backing have never backed anything through KS before. Especially when you consider HBS and the RoboTech bit.
The minis look great or 'complete CM set'?
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Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a thousand, characters from this. It will take time, and we will naturally start with higher pledge levels. It's a truly incredible undertaking, but we will find a way!"
Two words. "Casualties List." Then you can always milk that cow again.
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Annnnd finally pledged, $300 is a spicy meatball, but I'm getting my annual bonus tomorrow.
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I have pledged. Didn't go too high. I don't need to be included in the fiction. I've already got a planet and written tales for the universe, after all.
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I'm sadly only in at the $95 rate right now, we'll see how bad Gen Con damages me though. ;)
And I know I'll be adding on for at least the Elemental box, but probably another Lance/Star Box or two at least too.
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I put it in the KS comments, but here's a wishlist for stretch/add-ons -
- Clan Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe challenge coin & faction pack
- Periphery factions (ie MoC, etc) challenge coin & faction pack
- Tier for people who aren't interested in mech packs, but are interested in the rest
- Stretch/add-ons for - Redemption Rift and prior KS novella (ie Heir Apparent series)
- Stretch/add-on for - sequel(s) to Betrayal of Ideals (the journey from Barbados to Svelvik to Richmond - bring back Blaine please)
PS - Always disappointed the - are you human - post question doesn't accept "aff"
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I suggest anyone wanting that to go post in the Kickstarter page’s comments.
Done.
I keep forgetting that, even though this thread is jumpin' and Cubby is willing to pass stuff on for us, Kickstarter has its own platform for leaving comments...which is probably being monitored for comments on the Kickstarter more actively than this thread!
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PS - Always disappointed the - are you human - post question doesn't accept "aff"
It goes away completely after ten posts. Welcome to the forums! :thumbsup:
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I suggest anyone wanting that to go post in the Kickstarter page’s comments.
How far along was CM Davion? If anything we should be able to drag THAT one out of somebody I think.
Also, are you human really should accept aff. Perhaps that is all it should accept, this IS BattleTech after all ;D
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aaaaaaaand we just passed 700k
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Serious question: Has CGL announced which pledge manager they will be using after the campaign closes? I'm assuming one has been chosen by now, but maybe that is presumptuous.
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I put it in the KS comments, but here's a wishlist for stretch/add-ons -
- Clan Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe challenge coin & faction pack
- Periphery factions (ie MoC, etc) challenge coin & faction pack
- Tier for people who aren't interested in mech packs, but are interested in the rest
- Stretch/add-ons for - Redemption Rift and prior KS novella (ie Heir Apparent series)
- Stretch/add-on for - sequel(s) to Betrayal of Ideals (the journey from Barbados to Svelvik to Richmond - bring back Blaine please)
PS - Always disappointed the - are you human - post question doesn't accept "aff"
Good ones! I just added one other thing in comments over there. An IS Vehicle lance pack. Having a group of tanks to stomp on would be awesome for campaigns especially. Whether on the IS side and having Vehicle support, or on the Clan Side and stomping some militias or RCTs. Or attacking convoys!
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Serious question: Has CGL announced which pledge manager they will be using after the campaign closes? I'm assuming one has been chosen by now, but maybe that is presumptuous.
Yes, CrowdOx
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And ten people have gone Full Kerensky.
Which is just as well, because it saves me from a harrowing conversation with the spousal overunit. xp
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And ten people have gone Full Kerensky.
Which is just as well, because it saves me from a harrowing conversation with the spousal overunit. xp
Hun..
Yes?
You know I love you right....
...what have you done...
Kind of harrowing?
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I'd like more information on the leatherbound Mechwarrior Legends book. How much will it cost? I'm happy to do an add-on for an incredible collector's art book.
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Lol i got the ol Eye Rolling from mine when I wanted to upgrade to the Galaxy Commander level.
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Lol i got the ol Eye Rolling from mine when I wanted to upgrade to the Galaxy Commander level.
Better than mine. Even though I just received a raise at work, I actually got a tongue-lashing from my wife when I discussed the merits of backing at Galaxy Commander.
xp xp xp xp
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Lol i got the ol Eye Rolling from mine when I wanted to upgrade to the Galaxy Commander level.
I think I'm safe to do up to Galaxy Commander. Khan might require a little bit of "it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission"... ;D
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I think I'm safe to do up to Galaxy Commander. Khan might require a little bit of "it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission"... ;D
Well said! However, for those of us still trying to worm our way out of the dog house, there are times it's better to play it safe.
(If you told me that as a child I would grow up to be 6'9" and 275 pounds, but still ask permission to do things from a 5'9" woman who is 120 pounds soaking wet, I would have told you that something went wrong with my life)
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My wife told me that I've been waiting for this for over half a decade and I should totally go Galaxy Commander.
In other news, I am never getting divorced.
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You know, it's times like this when I'm glad I'm not married :D
(though I would love to have a new lady in my life)
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How far along was CM Davion? If anything we should be able to drag THAT one out of somebody I think.
Also, are you human really should accept aff. Perhaps that is all it should accept, this IS BattleTech after all ;D
Far enough along where nckestrel (aka superstud Josh Franklin, the #1 AS dev in our hearts) hasn’t posted a CM lite version in the custom rules section just in case the mothballed stuff ever sees the light of day
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My wife told me that I've been waiting for this for over half a decade and I should totally go Galaxy Commander.
In other news, I am never getting divorced.
Someone has a keeper!
/backonthread: The laminated record sheets stretch goal sounds fantastic! What did you all think of that?
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So we're back to a list of names in a book? I guess at least for galaxy commanders it'll be more like a year book page. ;D
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Looking at the Clan Light Fire Star that has been recently unlocked, the inclusion of the Solitaire seems like an odd choice. That Mech was not introduced until 3064, according to the MUL.
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Someone has a keeper!
/backonthread: The laminated record sheets stretch goal sounds fantastic! What did you all think of that?
Thx.
Not sold on the laminated sheets. I have a printer, so not sure of the benefit.
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aaaaaaaand we just passed 700k
Yay, digital Novel! Hope it's full one.
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Oh I got to go Galaxy Commander...as my wife knows I love going to GenCon every year, but with a shake-up at my job last year they no longer have the Graveyard shift (10:30 pm-8am on an 8-on-6-off pattern I had done for 10+ years) mean no more GenCon as I was not going to waste 2 days of First Pick Vacation to go for a weekend (I have 32 years with the company so, I ALWAYS get first pick, but I like having Christmas off more ;))
So, with all my Overtime, and standby pay (They pay me a day's wages for the 'just in case we need you for Overtime) I had the money, but still...always need the 'boss's' permission :P
plus she makes more than me anyways, so...there's that too!
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There are nearly 1,000 at the moment. We decided when building the KS that we can only guarantee names are used. The FAQ gives the wrong impression.
That actually makes logical sense (and what I kind of understood originally the deal to be for those of us who aren't Khans), as with over 1,000 potential discrete characters (almost 10 regiments worth of MechWarriors), giving each one even a small spotlight above names would mean having to crank out a lot of sourcebooks just because.
My only question is something that's been asked... some people are a little concerned about the faction their character would end up in. Is there any leeway to give people at least the capacity to suggest a favored faction for their character name?
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I’m guessing the final head count will have a say in that. Also if too many people choose a faction not getting as much screen time might potentially cause a bottleneck
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That actually makes logical sense (and what I kind of understood originally the deal to be for those of us who aren't Khans), as with over 1,000 potential discrete characters (almost 10 regiments worth of MechWarriors), giving each one even a small spotlight above names would mean having to crank out a lot of sourcebooks just because.
My only question is something that's been asked... some people are a little concerned about the faction their character would end up in. Is there any leeway to give people at least the capacity to suggest a favored faction for their character name?
You can request anything under the sun. Only thing guaranteed is the name. There are some crossed wires apparently, but using your (or your character’s) name is the only promise for canonization.
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Well . . . really folks need to understand its going to be years, like 5 at least unless they REALLY start cranking the novels- which if so, yay. I would also expect the folks who purchased the $200 add-on get a bit different treatment than the Star Colonels . . . fun one is going to be the lucky Ristar or higher who gets drawn from a hat for a H&G story.
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The laminated record sheets stretch goal sounds fantastic! What did you all think of that?
I'm generally wary of any stretch goal in any KS that amounts to "If we reach this level we'll unlock these things you then have to purchase!".
BYE
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I really need to know for pledge purposes if there is a difference between canon character and character plus warrior art. If the only guarantee on the star colonel tier is name I’ll probably pass. Not demanding anything I just want to know what I’m signing up for
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Another thought occurred to me just now in regards to this Kickstarter...I wonder if one of the stretch goals could go towards developing CBT Record Sheet software, perhaps to be hosted on the MUL website...that'd be cool! Or perhaps even a separate Kickstarter for it.
I'm happy with the functionality of the record sheets, but it would be nice to see them get a modern aesthetic.
I wouldn’t mind an app where I could track heat/damage etc.
Tap which weapons you want to fire, enter GATOR info, and bam gives you a too hit, and when hits are taken, you tap the area, then enter the points of damage
Maybe it's moot given the accomplished stretch goals, but if you've got a tablet (or other computer with very high res display) and can't wait for what comes from the KS, there's always Flechs Sheets: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEMsNUUD_m-PktWklTIt6ceai30q3yTUA
And does anyone know the studio Catalyst referred to having worked with before for the digital RS project? I'd be really interested in their work if they've been doing things at the intersection of digital and analog gameplay.
Also looking forward to seeing what they come up for this—there's lots of interesting design problems and different possible solutions for this kind of project.
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That actually makes logical sense (and what I kind of understood originally the deal to be for those of us who aren't Khans), as with over 1,000 potential discrete characters (almost 10 regiments worth of MechWarriors), giving each one even a small spotlight above names would mean having to crank out a lot of sourcebooks just because.
My only question is something that's been asked... some people are a little concerned about the faction their character would end up in. Is there any leeway to give people at least the capacity to suggest a favored faction for their character name?
FIRST - This is Me as NeonKnight, a Player, not NeonKnight the Demo Agent BEAMER!
If we look at the current levels:
Star Colonel Canon
Galaxy level Canon
Khan Level Canon
Kerensky Level Canon
That's 4 different levels of canonicity. The Star Colonel level is the lowest, and you get to name a Canon Character who will appear in a source book or fiction. I.E.:
Kerensky strode across the tarmac where he saw two mech tech's; Backer 1 and Backer 2 arguing over how many rounds Backer 3 wanted mounted in their mech. He shook his head as he continued past, knowing the two would never reach a concensus.
There...that's 3 of the Star Colonels done
At Galaxy level, you get a picture as well, so maybe one of the new pilot cards? Maybe a noted pilot in a future TRO?
At Khan and Kerensky level, even more defined and I can't even begin to speculate.
But again, these are my guesses. AdrianGideon could come in here and slap me down with a big ol -NOPE!
Won't know until it is fully spelled out.
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So I finally registered after lurking on the forums since 2015. (whoever made the decision not to allow as a valid answer to "Are you a human?" sentence "No, I am a meat popsicle" needs to get their humanity checked)
I had to break the ice after pledging on this Kickstarter. (another first for me, mind you)
I sprang for Star Captain level + some more add-on goodies, and I have enjoyed unlocking of stretch goals and an increasing pile of cool stuff immensely so far.
However, I am also apprehensive. I was willing to buy BT:AGOAC boxset two months prior from Catalyst's online shop, but the shipping amount I was given for sending that item to my country was around 90% of the price of the boxset. OUCH!
I live in Serbia, in Europe (not EU), so I suppose that shipping should be less, since european distribution center has been mentioned.
Cubby, can we get some details on how european distribution will be executed? Can we get a list of european countries that would be covered by the european distribution center?
Paying a $100 shipping is not something I am looking forward to.
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For all the fiction, what would be VERY VERY nice and welcomed, would be to get a code to get a PoD version at cost. I've participated in a couple of kickstarters where one reward was just that, a code to get the PoD at cost + shipping. So, those who wanted a print version could get one by paying for the cost of printing, and the shipping. (all those were with DrivethruRPG, so I have no idea if other PoD supplier allow those codes too)
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(whoever made the decision not to allow as a valid answer to "Are you a human?" sentence "No, I am a meat popsicle" needs to get their humanity checked)
This is a hall of fame level introductory statement and you’re going to fit in just fine here
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So we're back to a list of names in a book? I guess at least for galaxy commanders it'll be more like a year book page. ;D
“He ran his finger down the phone book --
‘Toshio Andersen, no…
Muna Andrei, no...
Maria Andretti, no…
Sam Androgyny, no… where the hell did she run off to?’”
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Oh there's a European distribution centre too? Awesome! That'll hopefully not mean I get too badly mauled with shipping to Ireland :D
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Glad to see all the Combat Manual supporters in the Kickstarter comments thread!
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They are fine books and deserve our love and support
The full color books like the CMs and even Masters and Minions aren’t done justice as a pdf.
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Glad to see all the Combat Manual supporters in the Kickstarter comments thread!
Combat Manuals and plastic vehicle boxes seem to be the two big things that people are in support of, both of which are things I am super keen on! I've been eyeing off some of the Reaper CAV tanks in lieu of official plastic miniatures, but I would vastly prefer non-proxies. Mmm, plastic Myrmidons...
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Unless the funding goes completely through the roof I don’t see vehicles. But hey, they did Elementals so anything is possible
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Combat Manuals and plastic vehicle boxes seem to be the two big things that people are in support of, both of which are things I am super keen on! I've been eyeing off some of the Reaper CAV tanks in lieu of official plastic miniatures, but I would vastly prefer non-proxies. Mmm, plastic Myrmidons...
And those 2 things are stuff that CGL and IWM say there isn't enough support to warrant continued production.(meaning, not enough sales) Looks like money sinkers to me and CGL should stay away from them.(even though I admit CM Kurita is one of my favorite sourcebook I read)
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I keep wondering if we are going to see IS Std BA . . . though they and vehicles might be stretch goals for KS FedCom Civil War Expansion box.
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I keep wondering if we are going to see IS Std BA . . . though they and vehicles might be stretch goals for KS FedCom Civil War Expansion box.
Hopefully that one is more than a couple years down the road, or my Kid's college fund is going to start shrinking.
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And those 2 things are stuff that CGL and IWM say there isn't enough support to warrant continued production.(meaning, not enough sales) Looks like money sinkers to me and CGL should stay away from them.(even though I admit CM Kurita is one of my favorite sourcebook I read)
The Combat Manuals were expensive to make. They had enough sales, they didn't lose money. But there's always an opportunity cost. If the Box Set can't get reprinted because of a Combat Manual printing, that's a bad choice of priorities, the Box Set is needed more. 1. They make more money and 2. The Box Sets are priority in expanding the player base.
But that's why now is a good time to bring them up. At this point, the sculptors are the ones now with the next who knows who long tied up with the work they are commited to. Meanwhile the Combat Manual team is ready to go to work... We have a lot of new/returning players that might want to have some guidelines on how to make a force with all their pretty, giant, stompy robots.
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The Combat Manuals were expensive to make. They had enough sales, they didn't lose money. But there's always an opportunity cost. If the Box Set can't get reprinted because of a Combat Manual printing, that's a bad choice of priorities, the Box Set is needed more. 1. They make more money and 2. The Box Sets are priority in expanding the player base.
But that's why now is a good time to bring them up. At this point, the sculptors are the ones now with the next who knows who long tied up with the work they are commited to. Meanwhile the Combat Manual team is ready to go to work... We have a lot of new/returning players that might want to have some guidelines on how to make a force with all their pretty, giant, stompy robots.
As a guy who is going to get 5 inner sphere lance packs doubled at some time in 2020, there has never been a better time for Combat Manual: Davion!!!
;)
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I'm generally wary of any stretch goal in any KS that amounts to "If we reach this level we'll unlock these things you then have to purchase!".
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I've never been involved with a kickstarter where that wasn't the case. It's very common.
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Yeah. Physical product goals cover some or all of the development costs, not the production costs. That’s what you pay for in the add on price
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As this point, I MIGHT go up to Khan, depending on how many lances we end up unlocking, but I'm glad someone took the last Full Kerensky. It was tempting me...it was tempting me mightily, and I'm not sure I could have held out for 30 days with it staring at me, despite my best efforts! The biggest thing holding me back was who I would take with me. My wife, though she is a gamer, isn't into BattleTech like I am. My son is a fan, but isn't old enough that I'd take him on a trip like that yet. I could go stag, but that seems like a waste. So, to whomever DID pony up for that reward, thanks for making the decision for me, and I hope you all have a great time.
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I'm generally wary of any stretch goal in any KS that amounts to "If we reach this level we'll unlock these things you then have to purchase!".
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Why? Doing it the other way is a great way to lose a lot of money.
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I have sent this to Catalyst via Kickstarter, and posted on the Kickstarter page, but I have not been answered as of yet and would like to pose the question here in case someone who knows the answer is on the thread.
Catalyst has stated that they will be shipping the clan box in March 2020, and will have to ship other products after that date.
What is their plan for address verification after the INITIAL clan box set shipment (star / lance packs)? Will they send out an email requesting address verification before every shipment? Or will I need to email Catalyst if my address changes after March 2020 (which it is guaranteed to do so, hence the question)?
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Hopefully that one is more than a couple years down the road, or my Kid's college fund is going to start shrinking.
They don't need it, give 'em sticks, a book on wilderness survival. Hunter gatherer is where its at!
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I have sent this to Catalyst via Kickstarter, and posted on the Kickstarter page, but I have not been answered as of yet and would like to pose the question here in case someone who knows the answer is on the thread.
Catalyst has stated that they will be shipping the clan box in March 2020, and will have to ship other products after that date.
What is their plan for address verification after the INITIAL clan box set shipment (star / lance packs)? Will they send out an email requesting address verification before every shipment? Or will I need to email Catalyst if my address changes after March 2020 (which it is guaranteed to do so, hence the question)?
All we know is that they’re “looking into it”
It’s a question worth asking until it’s answered
They don't need it, give 'em sticks, a book on wilderness survival. Hunter gatherer is where its at!
Work study. Dad needed minis. As a consequence you work for campus sanitation. Thems the breaks
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The Combat Manuals were expensive to make. They had enough sales, they didn't lose money. But there's always an opportunity cost. If the Box Set can't get reprinted because of a Combat Manual printing, that's a bad choice of priorities, the Box Set is needed more. 1. They make more money and 2. The Box Sets are priority in expanding the player base.
But that's why now is a good time to bring them up. At this point, the sculptors are the ones now with the next who knows who long tied up with the work they are commited to. Meanwhile the Combat Manual team is ready to go to work... We have a lot of new/returning players that might want to have some guidelines on how to make a force with all their pretty, giant, stompy robots.
It make sense now. Thanks for the insight :)
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Well finally got home so I could join the party. Some of those higher tiers are tempting me something fierce, but at this point I think I will wait to expand the collection through the FLGS. Made sure to pledge enough for the ones I absolutely "must" have, then we can go from there over the next few years.
Hopefully when these are sent out for full release they can stay stocked on a regular basis.
On a side note can we have a stretch goal that speeds up the release of IlClan ;)
Edit: I know it's a bit beyond the clan invasion timeframe, but I can hope right?
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It make sense now. Thanks for the insight :)
I should include a disclaimer. I was on the Combat Manual development team, but I'm not in the discussion with the people when decisions are made on which books to make/not make. I just hear the answer afterwards and sometimes get a bit of explanation. So I have not seen the amounts sold/costs to make.
But it's definitely not purely a "they lost money", while the amount of money was clearly an issue.
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No. We will see a few more, but not all, no.
Please, I feel that the last few packs should really be used for Mechs that are very iconic for the era (having been in PC games), such as:
Clan: Stone Rhino, Grizzly, Jenner IIC, Clint IIC, Rifleman IIC, Phantom, Linebacker, Hellhound
IS: Bushwacker, Mauler, Raven, Hollander, Owens, Strider, Avatar, Sunder
ps. Concerning the massive list of names, an relatively simple solution (for the low canon levels) would be to use those names for an complete TO&E of all the Clans in 3049, this would also be a good campaign resource.
ps2. If the combat manuals are completed, then I would rather see it as one big document instead of having it divided between the houses.
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Phonebook are incredibly limiting and I'm not at all sad TPTB stopped putting out definitive lists of who had what. The number of "Jade Falcon didn't have any of X or Y design during Z era so you can't use them" arguments dropped precipitously once we were past their specific timestamp.
Don't bring that back.
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Phonebook are incredibly limiting and I'm not at all sad TPTB stopped putting out definitive lists of who had what. The number of "Jade Falcon didn't have any of X or Y design during Z era so you can't use them" arguments dropped precipitously once we were past their specific timestamp.
Don't bring that back.
An misunderstanding, I meant just Mechwarriors, not defining their 'Mechs at that time.
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FIRST - This is Me as NeonKnight, a Player, not NeonKnight the Demo Agent BEAMER!
If we look at the current levels:
Star Colonel Canon
Galaxy level Canon
Khan Level Canon
Kerensky Level Canon
That's 4 different levels of canonicity. The Star Colonel level is the lowest, and you get to name a Canon Character who will appear in a source book or fiction. I.E.:
Kerensky strode across the tarmac where he saw two mech tech's; Backer 1 and Backer 2 arguing over how many rounds Backer 3 wanted mounted in their mech. He shook his head as he continued past, knowing the two would never reach a concensus.
There...that's 3 of the Star Colonels done
At Galaxy level, you get a picture as well, so maybe one of the new pilot cards? Maybe a noted pilot in a future TRO?
At Khan and Kerensky level, even more defined and I can't even begin to speculate.
But again, these are my guesses. AdrianGideon could come in here and slap me down with a big ol -NOPE!
Won't know until it is fully spelled out.
Interesting...
I was thinking a Character Compendium book; so long as the bios were of sufficient quality and of limited in game impact, your character would be canonised via a page in a 64 page (more? less?) e-book, where Galaxy Commanders and/or Khans were canonised with their picture and bio. Khans woud get a page, GCs - half a page.
Probably not workable though.
Your idea seems viable though. Problem is - doesn't the pilot cards have some sort of small bio?
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they would have to do a premium type with a back side rather than a second pilot card. not out of the realm of possibility, but not as efficient as their current setup.
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I'd like to see some stretch goals that increase the number of mechs received of those already unlocked. Pleases the backers but costs CGL less money than creating new ones. FREX, double the 5 starter mechs in the Clan boxed set. Not for retail boxes but just backers. Gives incentive for people to pledge now.
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The Combat Manuals were expensive to make. They had enough sales, they didn't lose money. But there's always an opportunity cost. If the Box Set can't get reprinted because of a Combat Manual printing, that's a bad choice of priorities, the Box Set is needed more. 1. They make more money and 2. The Box Sets are priority in expanding the player base.
But that's why now is a good time to bring them up. At this point, the sculptors are the ones now with the next who knows who long tied up with the work they are commited to. Meanwhile the Combat Manual team is ready to go to work... We have a lot of new/returning players that might want to have some guidelines on how to make a force with all their pretty, giant, stompy robots.
Using all the new names from this Kickstarter as the notable pilots in the Combat Manuals would be a simple way to take care of a lot of players while they wait for their minis and box sets to arrive. :)
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How much will the Mechwarrior: Legends hardback cost? The add-on picture needs to be updated
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unannounced. it's questionable how much of it has even been written. it's letherbound so i'd be floored if it was cheaper than $60
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unannounced. it's questionable how much of it has even been written. it's letherbound so i'd be floored if it was cheaper than $60
Depends - the Honor Harrington leatherbound specials are only about $30 each
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cgl hardcover are minimum $40. i'm working off president of the company making the product
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Please, I feel that the last few packs should really be used for Mechs that are very iconic for the era (having been in PC games), such as:
Clan: Stone Rhino, Grizzly, Jenner IIC, Clint IIC, Rifleman IIC, Phantom, Linebacker, Hellhound
IS: Bushwacker, Mauler, Raven, Hollander, Owens, Strider, Avatar, Sunder
Uh, no . . . Stone Rhino, Grizzly, Rifleman IIC, Linebacker were only MW2, not sure the Phantom ever went in. Hellhound modeled after canon was only in MW2- sorry MW4 does not count.
Bushwhacker is a yes- MW3, MW4, MCG, MC2- Hollander was just MCG afaik, Mauler was MW4 & MCG . . . Strider were just MW3, Owens & Sunder were MW3 & MW4, Avatar was just MW3. Raven . . . yeah, its all over the games.
We already have one 3058 1st Gen IS Omni, I think the Owens, Black Hawk KU, Sunder and Avatar should be a stretch goal.
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Uh, no . . . Stone Rhino, Grizzly, Rifleman IIC, Linebacker were only MW2, not sure the Phantom ever went in. Hellhound modeled after canon was only in MW2- sorry MW4 does not count.
Linebacker and Rifleman IIC are also in MWO, which is something.
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Uh, no . . . Stone Rhino, Grizzly, Rifleman IIC, Linebacker were only MW2, not sure the Phantom ever went in.
MW2: Mercs (Grizzly, Linebacker, Raven, Mauler, Jenner IIC, Phantom)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/MechWarrior_2:_Mercenaries#Featured_BattleMechs
Hellhound modeled after canon was only in MW2- sorry MW4 does not count.
It was a stretch, but that remodel is just so popular and visible.
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The Mauler was also in the cartoon. :D
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The Mauler was also in the cartoon. :D
New stretch goal 1st Somerset Strikers Pack. Complete with pilot cards from the series. Insane 90s colors sadly not included.
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paint them yourselves you cowards
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gsfeQSFyouM/WHwuauIgGdI/AAAAAAAABSw/rOc3zGpTtBM7-ULAX_8u4a-OHOa-uFdGgCLcB/s1600/battlech%2Bcartoon%2B1.jpg)
ok i actually paint like that so i'm already there
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(https://scontent.fdub5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67578028_2631778070167565_2506292556006948864_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQk1d5GStoqbG2quVC_S__9qPU52qbCmn4xsMIzhawTdyu68ZhSvAiqwaDfIrxnrDqc&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub5-1.fna&oh=2c22ce3425c42a236064ac5d3fade593&oe=5DAE15BF)
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nicememe (http://niceme.me)
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Please, I feel that the last few packs should really be used for Mechs that are very iconic for the era (having been in PC games), such as:
Clan: Stone Rhino, Grizzly, Jenner IIC, Clint IIC, Rifleman IIC, Phantom, Linebacker, Hellhound
IS: Bushwacker, Mauler, Raven, Hollander, Owens, Strider, Avatar, Sunder
The Avatar has been re-sculpted twice already, and the latest one is pretty good. The Sunder was re-sculpted a few years ago and the new one is very much in vein of the new stuff. It is quite nice.
The problem is that the Owens, Strider, Avatar, Mauler, and Sunder are all very Draconis Combine mechs. Almost nobody outside them use those models (heck, add in the Raptor and Blackhawk-KU to finish the 3055/3058 omni set).
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Hopefully these will last longer than a day
YOU GUYS THIS WAS NOT A CHALLENGE
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The Avatar has been re-sculpted twice already, and the latest one is pretty good. The Sunder was re-sculpted a few years ago and the new one is very much in vein of the new stuff. It is quite nice.
The problem is that the Owens, Strider, Avatar, Mauler, and Sunder are all very Draconis Combine mechs. Almost nobody outside them use those models (heck, add in the Raptor and Blackhawk-KU to finish the 3055/3058 omni set).
The omnis are actually wide-spread (see the MUL), but if one would be swapped for increased availability I would exchange the Strider for the Black Hawk-KU.
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The problem is that the Owens, Strider, Avatar, Mauler, and Sunder are all very Draconis Combine mechs. Almost nobody outside them use those models (heck, add in the Raptor and Blackhawk-KU to finish the 3055/3058 omni set).
Well, yes and no. In the clan invasion era where we are basking in the glory of the kickstarter, you are absolutely right. But in 15 years those things are in production all across the sphere. So including them in an "IS Omni" lance wouldn't be out of the question.
Furthermore, the Firestarter-O is already in, so we have precedent. Lastly, every one of them debuted in the Clan Invasion era, which seems to be one of the criterion by which CGL is deciding what is in and what is out.
Now, all that being said, they already have a TON of work to do, and I think it might be wise to quit listing lances.
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The Avatar has been re-sculpted twice already, and the latest one is pretty good. The Sunder was re-sculpted a few years ago and the new one is very much in vein of the new stuff. It is quite nice.
The problem is that the Owens, Strider, Avatar, Mauler, and Sunder are all very Draconis Combine mechs. Almost nobody outside them use those models (heck, add in the Raptor and Blackhawk-KU to finish the 3055/3058 omni set).
Uh that is no longer the case . . . all of them but the Mauler were quietly spread after their introduction and IIRC the Dracs made them available to units that participated in Op Bulldog.
Maingunnery, I said those mechs were not really seen outside of MW2 so not sure why you responded to prove they were in MW2.
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Maingunnery, I said those mechs were not really seen outside of MW2 so not sure why you responded to prove they were in MW2.
You missed the Phantom and Mauler from MW2:mercs.
Also I don't regard MW2 to be the same as MW2:Mercs.
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those new gifs with the 3D models of the new Scroggins mechs :D
(https://i.imgur.com/8zm0F3W.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/UrT2CHT.gif)
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Uh that is no longer the case . . . all of them but the Mauler were quietly spread after their introduction and IIRC the Dracs made them available to units that participated in Op Bulldog.
I think they even exported the Mauler at some point. At the very least TRO 3050u mentions that the Fedcom still fielded a number from battlefield salvage (and not even dabokus, but actual maulers. The same TRO says the Daboku was extinct at the time of writing).
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those new gifs with the 3D models of the new Scroggins mechs :D
(https://i.imgur.com/8zm0F3W.gif)
I like we can see the lasers clearly on the Archer.
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Nice!!
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I like we can see the lasers clearly on the Archer.
it is a thing of absolute beauty. But then again, I've not seen one of Scroggins' revamps that I haven't liked.
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it is a thing of absolute beauty. But then again, I've not seen one of Scroggins' revamps that I haven't liked.
The *only* Scroggins redesign one I clearly don't like is the arms & hands of the Ryoken / Stormcrow. They're no longer slender, but instead bulky and massive. I wish he would change it.
The rest of the redesigns are absolutely superb.
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Here's what I'm hoping for with my name in battletech and will make me feel like I got my full value.
1- It's a printed book
2- It's not just part of a list
3- At the end of the book/supplement it's reasonable to assume I'm not dead. :thumbsup:
Being a notable pilot in a TRO would be a dream come true. I hold no illusion that I'd be a character in a novel, and besides, a TRO entry would be easier to show off/frame. ;D
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My dream come true would be if CGL added an "Unreformed Grognard" tier including the AGoAC box and all the IS lance packs with NONE of the clan stuff. Then I wouldn't have to pledge $1 and figure out all the appropriate add ons...
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At the star colonel / add on level I’d be content with 1 and 2. I rarely survive in-game, why start now? ;D
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1 and 2 what again? This thread is moving so fast, quotes are necessary to maintain any kind of continuity...
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1 and 2 what again? This thread is moving so fast, quotes are necessary to maintain any kind of continuity...
Here's what I'm hoping for with my name in battletech and will make me feel like I got my full value.
1- It's a printed book
2- It's not just part of a list
3- At the end of the book/supplement it's reasonable to assume I'm not dead. :
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Given the response to the new minis, maybe CGL should consider packaging a set of minis (x2) with each new book (dead tree versions) purchase. The cost will go up but the incentive would be the random minis. Just a thought, since people want certain minis over others.
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Thanks Sartris… I think the post you were referring to was already on the previous page...
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It was actually right above
My dream come true would be if CGL added an "Unreformed Grognard" tier including the AGoAC box and all the IS lance packs with NONE of the clan stuff. Then I wouldn't have to pledge $1 and figure out all the appropriate add ons...
Though your theory is not without merit. I have missed a page turn on many, many occasions
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You know a
Goliath - sniper
Scorpion- Skirmisher
Ostsol- Skirmisher
Ostroc-Skirmisher
Would make one heck of a heavy battle lance or a heavy Calvary lance!
Just saying ^-^
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You mean Ostroc? I don't think there is an Ostrich 'mech.
You know a
Goliath - sniper
Scorpion- Skirmisher
Ostsol- Skirmisher
Ostroc-Skirmisher
Would make one heck of a heavy battle lance or a heavy Calvary lance!
Just saying ^-^
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You mean Ostroc? I don't think there is an Ostrich 'mech.
There should be!
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You mean Ostroc? I don't think there is an Ostrich 'mech.
Damn you spellchecker! 8)
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Well, yes and no. In the clan invasion era where we are basking in the glory of the kickstarter, you are absolutely right. But in 15 years those things are in production all across the sphere. So including them in an "IS Omni" lance wouldn't be out of the question.
Furthermore, the Firestarter-O is already in, so we have precedent. Lastly, every one of them debuted in the Clan Invasion era, which seems to be one of the criterion by which CGL is deciding what is in and what is out.
Now, all that being said, they already have a TON of work to do, and I think it might be wise to quit listing lances.
Why are the first wave of IS Omni's faction exculsuive? That doesn't make sense with what was going on in-universe at the time.
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Most are IS General or near it
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Why are the first wave of IS Omni's faction exculsuive? That doesn't make sense with what was going on in-universe at the time.
Initially, most of IS Omni's were based on the clan omnis Kurita captured on Walcott. So they were initially manufactured by Kurita (3052-3055).
By 3057, the Fedcom and FWL had their own (Firestarter and Blackjack) with help from Kurita. And with the forming of the 2nd Star League (3058), several started being produced all over the IS that were previously only made by Kurita. (Though even those were sold in small numbers to FC and FWL prior to that).
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It was actually right above
Though your theory is not without merit. I have missed a page turn on many, many occasions
Argh... I continue to blame post velocity here... He must have posted while I was posting my previous post...
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Gonna need a new thread title for part 2. "Clan Invasion Kickstarter issues batchall for your wallet" perhaps?
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There are nearly 1,000 at the moment. We decided when building the KS that we can only guarantee names are used. The FAQ gives the wrong impression.
The wording of this confuses me. Does this mean that those who backed at Galaxy and above are *not* guaranteed that their custom art will be used?
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The wording of this confuses me. Does this mean that those who backed at Galaxy and above are *not* guaranteed that their custom art will be used?
No - I think it means that we can ASK very very nicely for our canon characters to be assigned to a particular faction or unit, and that we can even ASK even more nicely if CGL would consider having a look at the enclosed biography that we would like to see attached to our canon character and see if there is anything in our proposed bio for our proposed canon character that they could potentially see fit to print and they'll say "no"
But we can still ask.
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I do hope we get some kind of details on it as well as the FAQ on the the kickstarter straight.. I hate to keep harping about it, but for $600 I'd like to have a clearer idea of what I can expect.
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WHAT FORCES DEFEND THIS BANK ACCOUNT
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No - I think it means that we can ASK very very nicely for our canon characters to be assigned to a particular faction or unit, and that we can even ASK even more nicely if CGL would consider having a look at the enclosed biography that we would like to see attached to our canon character and see if there is anything in our proposed bio for our proposed canon character that they could potentially see fit to print and they'll say "no"
But we can still ask.
Thanks! I guess what confused me was that the custom art wasn't mentioned as if that wasn't a guarantee either.
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738k We are almost there to that last locked lance pack.
Question is, are there going to be any more stretch goals after this??
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I imagine they will. 50k spacing? We won’t see many more lance packs I think. We’re entering the quiet time for donations before the last few days where they pull out the big guns for the final push
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The Star Colonel backer level is looking pretty good right now, if I've done the math right you can get 48 IS 'Mechs, 19 Clan ones and 2 BA Points.
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I imagine they will. 50k spacing? We won’t see many more lance packs I think. We’re entering the quiet time for donations before the last few days where they pull out the big guns for the final push
These last two were spaced at $75,000. I wouldn’t mind if they kept updating 3025-3039 mechs - there are still quite a few remaining that really need it.
If they want to offer more packs with less work, another option would be to make a star pack out of the Clan Invasion box and two lance packs out of the A Game of Armored Combat box.
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Eh... that last IS lance turned me off buying all the IS ones... I suppose it's the ComStar Monitoring level for me...
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Offering existing product or outsourcing like the dice bags seems like a good plan
Eh... that last IS lance turned me off buying all the IS ones... I suppose it's the ComStar Monitoring level for me...
I’m generally era agnostic and the axe murderer lance seemed out of place to me too
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These last two were spaced at $75,000. I wouldn’t mind if they kept updating 3025-3039 mechs - there are still quite a few remaining that really need it.
That's what is beginning to concern me... drift. That seems like it needs to be it's own thing. I do not want to be negative but things do go wrong and I would hate to see a slow rolling disaster unfold.
Does anyone know how many new sculpts and arts CGL is on the hook for? By the comments on KS many are confused as to when they get what.
That said ComStar could use some love. They did save everyone after all.
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Offering existing product or outsourcing like the dice bags seems like a good plan
I’m generally era agnostic and the axe murderer lance seemed out of place to me too
Meh... since I'm a star Colonel Force Commander, (thank you very much) ;D, I wouldn't be getting all of them anyway, so I can freely ignore that lance. Just gimme those Archers, Marauders, Phoenix Hawks and Whammies (and a newly redesigned Atlas and Banshee to boot) and I'm in Mechwarrior heaven :)
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Does anyone know how many new sculpts and arts CGL is on the hook for? By the comments on KS many are confused as to when they get what.
That said ComStar could use some love. They did save everyone after all.
35 + 28 + 5 + elementals
Only the first two lances and stars have been definitively prototyped
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35 + 28 + 5 + elementals
Only the first two lances and stars have been definitively prototyped
Why do I have this growing feeling of dred. :-X
Please, please do not mess this up CGL. Please.
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I had that same dread at about $350k
can we clone a team of Scrogginses asap
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The Lance packs seem to be very hit or miss what they include, I only very familiar with 3025 designs so far, but several of them are 'Why would you group those 'Mechs together?' types of forces.
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There’s an update post explaining the logic on the Kickstarter page. You can decide if you buy it or not
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I had that same dread at about $350k
can we clone a team of Scrogginses asap
Maybe they can grab the artist from MWO since they seem to be out of the new mech business?
As for the variety of mechs, I approve. But, that timeline doesn't look favorable.
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2 things:
A. OMG, I am on information overload. I need some blinders to keep me away ... it isn't officially day 3 yet.
2. Hey about this faction pack with a T-shirt? ... what brand will they be? Normally a 2x, but even then they sometimes they come with this puny neck line (and I'm not that big). I'd like to have a shirt that doesn't try to choke me. When I go for 3x, I've suddenly picked up some odd form of night gown.
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I would suspect the vendor for the T-shirt’s is the same they’ve used for the recent btech and shadowrun shirts on the store unless they were awful
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I do hope they can show off some of the faction pack stuff such as the look of the art on the t-shirt. As long as I can get a 3X I will be happy. Something a little big that my daughter won't run off with.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the Faction pack items as well. Trying to decide which faction I'll pick. I've already got some sweet Lyran swag from the HBS Battletech Kickstarter, so, I'm probably going for one of the Clans on this one....
Only nine to choose from!(EDIT: Errr...Apparently all the Clans have been unlocked for Faction Packs, I must've missed that one.) I've got it narrowed down to a certain three Clans at least! *laughs*
I also went ahead and bumped my pledge to Star Colonel. Now to figure out which six Star/Lance packs I'm going for. I'd love to go ahead and add-on for the remaining ones, but, I think I've spent as much as I can spare at this point. I may just have to wait for possible retail on a few of them.
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738k We are almost there to that last locked lance pack.
Question is, are there going to be any more stretch goals after this??
I would assume so but maybe spread out a bit more.
Given the surge, I'd like to see my idea of a Character Compendium come to fruition - though I think many others would like to see their character in actual action - and I can see the possibility of dedicated Faction Packs, which group Mechs by faction (so, a Jag Assault Star might see a couple of Dire Wolfs, a couple of Warhawks and a Stormcrow) rather than role. We might see a release of the BoK trilogy and I still think improving the box set by adding the Alpha Strike rules is a good idea.
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The lance packs are not listed explicitly as KS exclusives (like the dice bags, for example) so there are at least plans to sell them via the webstore and/or retail
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The lance packs are not listed explicitly as KS exclusives (like the dice bags, for example) so there are at least plans to sell them via the webstore and/or retail
Which having thought about it will also give CGL some data on which lance packs to over produce and which shouldn't get a large production run. The ones with the reimagined unseen are likely to get a HUG production run while the one that should be unlocked today or tomorrow probably will get limited runs as needed.
That is my two cents anyway, but from a business point of view makes sense.
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You can request anything under the sun. Only thing guaranteed is the name. There are some crossed wires apparently, but using your (or your character’s) name is the only promise for canonization.
You might want to look at the FAQ on the kickstarter page it says this on the custom character
"Yes. The whole idea here is that you will become part of the BattleTech universe. As a canon character, you will get to name a character and can provide a short bio. Faction. Unit. Maybe homeward and honors and rank.
We reserve editorial rights to prevent obscenities or internet goofiness. No Boaty McBoatface!
With custom art, we will ask you for a photo to base the sketch on and it will also be used in a sourcebook our other product in order to permanently add your likeness into the lore of BattleTech.
Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a thousand, characters from this. It will take time, and we will naturally start with higher pledge levels. It's a truly incredible undertaking, but we will find a way!"
Anyone backing is going to expect that FAQ to be official over what is said here.
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You might want to look at the FAQ on the kickstarter page it says this on the custom character
"Yes. The whole idea here is that you will become part of the BattleTech universe. As a canon character, you will get to name a character and can provide a short bio. Faction. Unit. Maybe homeward and honors and rank.
We reserve editorial rights to prevent obscenities or internet goofiness. No Boaty McBoatface!
With custom art, we will ask you for a photo to base the sketch on and it will also be used in a sourcebook our other product in order to permanently add your likeness into the lore of BattleTech.
Please be patient. We expect to have several hundred, even a thousand, characters from this. It will take time, and we will naturally start with higher pledge levels. It's a truly incredible undertaking, but we will find a way!"
Anyone backing is going to expect that FAQ to be official over what is said here.
And that quote essentially says what Adrian said - you can ask for anything, but CGL promises only the name. The FAQ promises nothing but yes - it can and probably should be clarified to prevent the inevitable misunderstandings.
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And that quote essentially says what Adrian said - you can ask for anything, but CGL promises only the name. The FAQ promises nothing but yes - it can and probably should be clarified to prevent the inevitable misunderstandings.
Honestly the FAQ makes it sound like more. Just using names at this point is going to be tough because of the sheer number. But that FAQ is going to make people think they get a lot more and that will cause problems. I don't want to see it cause problems. Which is why I am harping on it now. So that doesn't happen.
Honestly untill I read that FAQ I expected nothing more than the use of the name.
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can we clone a team of Scrogginses asap
Scroggins has shown the Viper concept art from Harri Kallio (Bradigus) on his Patreon page. According to the post, he's being trained in Scroggins' style to do more of the Clan Mech redesigns.
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I want to know the difference between canon character and canon character + warrior art. If I’m just paying extra to get a cameo mention and a sketch for my personal enjoyment that may never see print, I’m not interested.
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Hit 750, get more goals up people.
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Wahooo! I want me an Axeman!
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This is not sustainable
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I didn't think they'd hit 150k, let alone 750k. 1.5 mil doesn't look impossible now. Maybe still unlikely, but not impossible.
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Yeah I would have bet against capping out at 500k and they did that in 24 hours
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This is not sustainable
It is, but it depends on how quickly you want to get the model packs out.
I suspect CGL would like one a month...I suspect it may be a bit longer than that.
Other than that, most of the rewards are doable and spread amongst several other firms and teams.
Having said that, I think they need to save some stuff for Box Set - Civil War.
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That’s fair analysis
I’m more worried about the KS mob that forms the second anything goes wrong
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This is not sustainable
The pace? For sure. But that's ok as long as the pledges stay where they are -- the problem become managing fulfilment expectations.
The concern is about any "bubble pledges", those that are put in early and then later popped that brings down the total. The money is going into making production happen, so if the total comes down later some of the unlocked items may have to go back into the cages.
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I’m guessing there’s a standard deduction you take off the top to account for such things when planning but yeah, the whole thing has ranged well beyond what they had prepared in advance.
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I didn't think they'd hit 150k, let alone 750k. 1.5 mil doesn't look impossible now. Maybe still unlikely, but not impossible.
I'm going on the record, 1.75 mil by close of KS. Depending on some lingering questions regarding character, lance selections, and postage, CGL could win big here.
It's the delivery of what's promised that has me concerned. CGL needs to make sure everyone understands what they're getting and when.
Understandably, they are trying to figure out logistics at this point. But, I wish them the best.
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More optimistic than the 1.25m I estimated but I’d take the higher number or sure
a reasonable fulfillment timetable is the most worrisome issue
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I’m sitting on more money to kick in and I am sure there are others. Hopefully that will offset any pledgers remorse.
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I'm planning on doubling what I've pledged so far. Just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Still figuring out what I want and waiting to see what else might appear.
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As a quick aside, I bet HBS is all in on a Clan Expansion as well.
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I’m sitting on more money to kick in and I am sure there are others. Hopefully that will offset any pledgers remorse.
Yea me too trying to figure out what addons I want to buy
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As a quick aside, I bet HBS is all in on a Clan Expansion as well.
No chance.
A sequel going Clan Invasion, sure, but Heavy Metal DLC, no chance whatsoever.
Way too much work for just an expansion, need new systems, completely different section of the Inner Sphere ("north" instead of "south"), along with many many other things.
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I’m not putting a cap on spending but it’s going to absolutely obliterate my discretionary fund until next spring
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50 pages, bout time a mod locked this one and started another :thumbsup:
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For some reason some's pledged an amount that ends in 50c
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Tukkayid maps and maybe the fortress for me.
Fulfillment is likely to slip off schedule. 8 months +1 per pack is crazy aggressive for a kickstarter.
I want my canon character in a Hollander frankenmech with a light gauss. I know that's stupid specific, but that setup needs to exist.
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As a quick aside, I bet HBS is all in on a Clan Expansion as well.
I've modded IS upgrade tech into HBS Battletech. I can all but guarantee you that Clantech in that setup (where upgrade tech is rare and you are using a lot of stock weapons/ designs) is not something you want to be on the receiving end of. The disparity in damage, range and heat is so great, the Clans would really be the combat monsters they are portrayed to be in the novels.
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More optimistic than the 1.25m I estimated but I’d take the higher number or sure
a reasonable fulfillment timetable is the most worrisome issue
A good rule of thumb with Kickstarters is the first 3 days are about 1/3 to 1/2 of the total.
Either way, I'd say 1.5 million is going to be very close the end result. And things will REALLY slow down until those last three days. You'll get some trickling in for sure.
I will note this one has a bit of a Wild Card with Gen Con happening in the middle of it, that's a great chance to get the news out to a lot of new fans, and to people who don't really follow the internet gaming news community.
I'd also note that HBS Battletech made it to over 2 million, and I'd wager there's a lot of overlap there, and many appealing awards here. So while I expect 1.5 million, I also wouldn't be shocked by far more given the amount of add ons and such.
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The lance packs are not listed explicitly as KS exclusives (like the dice bags, for example) so there are at least plans to sell them via the webstore and/or retail
It would seem strange to go to that expense and not make them available via retail
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202 backers at 1$, clearly doing advanced budgeting calculus at home and calling debts to be paid :P
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I may be looking forward to the Dragoons origins novel more then the mechs.
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More stretch goals are planned, but given the timing here on a Friday night, I can’t say for certain when they’ll go up. “Soon.”
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Something that'd be fun would be more map scale dropships (map stuff is always fun, though I am saddened the cardboard maps and hex backs weren't worth it for CGL; they are great).
and yes, I'll add my +1 to finishing out the combat manuals.
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202 backers at 1$, clearly doing advanced budgeting calculus at home and calling debts to be paid :P
Thank you for reminding me of something I thought of earlier when reading everyone's posts about upset wives. You see my father has Chronic Fatigue, which means he doesn't quite sleep right and always wakes up tired, and he's also very much a DIY man, net result: I had to use my parents en-suite for several months while he remodeled the bathroom. I think a few hundred dollars spent on BT is nothing compared to that in annoyance factor.
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Something that'd be fun would be more map scale dropships (map stuff is always fun, though I am saddened the cardboard maps and hex backs weren't worth it for CGL; they are great).
and yes, I'll add my +1 to finishing out the combat manuals.
The mapscale dropships are already for sale on IWM's web sight.
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More stretch goals are planned, but given the timing here on a Friday night, I can’t say for certain when they’ll go up. “Soon.”
:-[
That's a shame.
BYE
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Thanks for the first wave of digital assets Catalyst team!
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Hoping for the Stretch goals to a million, since that should get us through the weekend and probably further!
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I may be looking forward to the Dragoons origins novel more then the mechs.
me also
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Stretch goals through $1 million have been posted.
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Oooohhhh, Clan Wolverine faction pack! Go 800K!!!
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202 backers at 1$, clearly doing advanced budgeting calculus at home and calling debts to be paid :P
It's actually something we've been recommending to people. A lot of people have no interest in anything except the miniatures so we're telling them to pledge $1 and then add only the Lance packs (for the Inner Sphere fans) or whatever packs they want as add ons. That way they're not stuck with a lot of stuff they have no interest in.
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Oooohhhh, Clan Wolverine faction pack! Go 800K!!!
What!!!!! I have to go check... you better not be pulling my leg :D
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What does the hiaku means for 1mil?
Got an idea for a stretch goal:
2 millions: We tell you who the iLClan is. 8)
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Prepare for Ludicrous Speed! :D
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Stretch goals through $1 million have been posted.
At $1 million we get a Haiku?
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I've always been a Warhammer guy, but ****** that Marauder is sexy.
BYE
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I've always been a Warhammer guy, but ****** that Marauder is sexy.
Needs a bit of work on the back end vents but as a prototype it does look quite good.
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What!!!!! I have to go check... you better not be pulling my leg :D
now let the feeding frenzy begin. I have been planning on waiting until the last ten days. now I will have to jump in... but I will have to wait until morning. it is not good to kickstart after two Scotches. >:D
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now let the feeding frenzy begin. I have been planning on waiting until the last ten days. now I will have to jump in... but I will have to wait until morning. it is not good to kickstart after two Scotches. >:D
My pledge was at the Star Colonel level, but I still wasn't sure because I didn't really care for the Faction Pack. This stretch goal would definitively lock my pledge at the Star Colonel level.(plus all the extra card decks are icing on the sunday too)
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Stretch goals through $1 million have been posted.
As well as some of the promised stuff under the updates
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The mapscale dropships are already for sale on IWM's web sight.
Is there a Union and Overlord I'm missing?
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These stretch goals are becoming problematic for my budget.
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So my day just became "Making up Lances/Stars that fit with the Formation Rules."
Good thing it's Saturday.
BYE
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lol....I will have to get the Wolverine faction pack when it opens. Just to spite the clans
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At a million we get Haiku. Awesome.
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Is there a Union and Overlord I'm missing?
They have had them before and an overlord c...but I checked and didn't see them. Sometimes the resin stuff disappears for a while
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So digital fiction at bed time...I think that is kind of mean :thumbsup:
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At a million we get Haiku. Awesome.
Strictly speaking, haven't we already gotten the haiku? 8)
At a million we'll be told what it means.
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Strictly speaking, haven't we already gotten the haiku? 8)
At a million we'll be told what it means.
Comstar is coming
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Can I suggest you split the thread from the Initial Announcement of the Kickstarter to when it actually went Live?
Okay . . . they are already giving us fiction and wallpapers?
I think some of the answers on KS put here-
Salvage boxes will come from Invasion box, Command Star & Command Lance at first
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The Lance packs seem to be very hit or miss what they include, I only very familiar with 3025 designs so far, but several of them are 'Why would you group those 'Mechs together?' types of forces.
Sometimes it's just to spread out what's available in an attempt to make each pack roughly as desirable and avoid having some that get immediately gobbled up while others linger as shelfwarmers in comic book stores across the country.
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Haven't made my pledge yet. Everytime I see where the pledge level raises too. I have to do recalculation as to what level I would like and what goodies I want and need to add on.
My budget projection keeps going out of wack. :-\ :-\ :-\
What to do?
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Haven't made my pledge yet. Everytime I see where the pledge level raises too. I have to do recalculation as to what level I would like and what goodies I want and need to add on.
My budget projection keeps going out of wack. :-\ :-\ :-\
What to do?
Donate 5k and get everything!
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Haven't made my pledge yet. Everytime I see where the pledge level raises too. I have to do recalculation as to what level I would like and what goodies I want and need to add on.
My budget projection keeps going out of wack. :-\ :-\ :-\
What to do?
Pledge a dollar and then wait. That way you'll get updates, but you can figure out what to get when everything calms down.
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you have to take a hard look at the non-mini rewards for each tier and decide what's important. if you're not finding anything, it might be more economical to buy what you want as addons ad hoc
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Anyone have the linked list? I despise Google and while I have to have a account with them for my phone, I leave it alone as much as possible. To the point I need to talk to the now sleeping wife about how to access it so I can express a opinion.
But to throw it out . . .
I would like to see the next IS force be the 1st Gen IS Omnis as I mentioned earlier-
Owens, Black Hawk KU, Avatar and Sunder
All except the BH KU appeared in games, though honorable mention for the Bushwhacker . . . its just been a part of the different IPs, MW3, MW4, MCG, MC2 and a TRO cover.
For the Clan Star
Night Gyr, Linebacker, Phantom . . . and I think that is it for Omnis that are not niche really- yes GB gets Stooping Hawks that I love, but its not many . . . a case could be made for the Lupus as one of the first Omni and still in some use per Hellfire fluff
But . . . I will have to say Vapor Eagle and Horned Owl to round it out, they were supposed to be garrison for the time frame.
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Horned Owl is already in.
Blood Asp and Savage Coyote are also eligible Omnis from the Invasion era.
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Just read the new fiction. Pretty good short story. Really feels like it belonged on the old BattleCorps.
These stretch goals are becoming problematic for my budget.
Tell me about it...
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it has an ad for Bonfire of Worlds at the end - with updated branding and the 35th anniversary logo. Please let PoD be inbound??
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Horned Owl is already in.
Blood Asp and Savage Coyote are also eligible Omnis from the Invasion era.
Must have missed it skimming the unlocks, lol . . . so Locust IIC instead then!
I thought about those but IMO before 3061 they had not become widespread- one simple reason is that the Harvest Trials had not happened at that point, nor the chaos of salvage/isorla with the Possession Wars grabbing Cat, Bear and Jag territory. I am not opposed to either one- the Blood Asp had video game appearances and the Savage Coyote is well balanced in its configs for BV games.
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also Redemption Rift has been added to the list of battletech novels. have we heard of this?
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Night Gyr, Linebacker, Phantom . . . and I think that is it for Omnis that are not niche really- yes GB gets Stooping Hawks that I love, but its not many . . . a case could be made for the Lupus as one of the first Omni and still in some use per Hellfire fluff
What about the Naga? That's the most versatile Omni 'Mech there is. You can either have 3 ER Smalls, an ER Small and two Mediums, an ER Small and three Mediums, or 2 ER Smalls and an SRM6, or finally an ER Small plus a medium plus an SRM4.
How does one reconcile so many different options? Must drive Clan pilots mad.
:D
BYE
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What about the Naga? That's the most versatile Omni 'Mech there is. You can either have 3 ER Smalls, an ER Small and two Mediums, an ER Small and three Mediums, or 2 ER Smalls and an SRM6, or finally an ER Small plus a medium plus an SRM4.
How does one reconcile so many different options? Must drive Clan pilots mad.
:D
BYE
They're likely too busy laughing at the distant explosions from their artillery :))
Are they dead set on Omni's? There are some non Omnimechs which are pretty cool, such as the Grizzly and Stone Rhino. The Conjurer would be neat to see, based more so on the original sculpt, not the latest ones.
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The mapscale dropships are already for sale on IWM's web sight.
Don't know why, but when I first read this I thought it was MAN scale dropships :o xp
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Just read the new fiction. Pretty good short story. Really feels like it belonged on the old BattleCorps.
It IS from the old BattleCorps - First published there on 16 December 2010.
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also Redemption Rift has been added to the list of battletech novels. have we heard of this?
It has been on that list in the last couple of things to come out, like Forever Faithful etc.
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Blargh, I hate living on a three-digit fixed income. I will still drop a dollarydoo on it though. I wish there was a way to request individual units for salvage, because I'd love nothing more than an army of cruds and thuds with the new art design.
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I wish to share with you The Most BT Thing Ever
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I must say, the initial flurry of activity was fun to see, and I am told that the last three days should be interesting as well. Can’t imagine how it could end with as much excitement as it began.
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also Redemption Rift has been added to the list of battletech novels. have we heard of this?
Where did you see that exactly out of curiosity, related to the Kickstarter or on the site somewhere? I made a suggestion that it be unlockable or an add-on to the kickstarter a few pages ago (and via KS comments). Redemption Rift was a 4-part Battlecorps fiction published in 2013. Set in 3139, I think the story is basically Wolf's Dragoons working for Kurita vs. Davion. Sorta a deja-vu. I believe it's potentially slated for tentative release otherwise this year. It's something I've been keeping an eye on, mostly because it's got a rather obscure but unique merc unit in it - the White Witches. Notable for being one of the few merc units in cannon to beat the Dragoons.
Also, omg, faction packs for Wolverine, Mongoose, and Widowmaker. I'm so thrilled. The only thing more retro I could possibly think of is to dig out my old MFNA faction sheet and select Clan Punisher.
PS - Another suggestion - Clan Spaniel...something. This is pretty much ultra niche pure fan service I know, but...perhaps something along the lines of Clan Spaniel Strana Mechty.
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So finally backed at the Star Colonel level. I'm just going to document the thought process on how I got to this decision.. in case anyone wants to question my insanity.
Firstly, I knew there are certain mechs that I want to get duplicates for, so for those packs containing these, I would want to use the Double Forces feature to maximize. I definitely want duplicates of Warhammers, Marauders, Orions and Panthers, so those Mech Packs will have priority.
However, I do want to support my LGS, and in terms of retail ops, the most likely item to stock would be the primary boxes, so even though I'd want duplicates of the Mad Cat, I would probably get an extra Clan Invasion Box from my LGS -- so no need for me to add that to my pledge. There are also other boxes which I had very little interest in (e.g., the IS Berserker Lance or the Clan Light Fire Star) -- I'd eventually pick that up through my LGS.
So by doing my inventory needs, I basically narrowed down to 5~7 mech packs that have mechs that I want duplicates for. For the initial pledge, I went with 2 Clan packs and 3 Inner Sphere; I also figured out the Star Colonel level had one extra Double Forces choice, so I went with a Inner Sphere pack.
That meant for the initial, I would get 25 Clan Mechs and 32 Inner Sphere Mechs... except each Inner Sphere pack in the pledge comes with a Salvage box (total 8), and the Star Colonel gets 2, which adds up to another 10 Clan Mechs, so 35 Clan and 16 Inner Sphere
So that sorts out the basic pledge level, and then I went back over the list of mechs and pick up additional mech packs that I want for; that adds 1 Clan and 2 IS mech packs. I also want to pick up 2 Elemental Stars, so that gets added.
So I end up with 40 Clan mechs (5 of which are Second Line) and 2 Elemental Stars, which works up to be a short Cluster (2 Trinary and a Binary with Elemental support). That's quite reasonable as a starting point. in terms of tonnage spread it's got issues:
Light 9
Medium 7
Heavy 5
Assault 9
Not too happy about the "bookends", but these don't include the blind draw Salvages, so with a bit of luck I would fill in the lack of Heavys. A bit concerned about the lack of 65 tonners since I didn't go for either the Lokis or Cauldron Borns, but I think that would rectify with time.
For the Inner Sphere, I already have 2 of each of the Intro and AGOAC box. Adding the 40 Mechs I'm pledged for, that brings it to a total of 60 of the new plastic sculpts. Tonnage spread is much more pleasant:
Light 16
Medium 16
Heavy 18
Assault 10
I'm much happier with the Heavy spread since I went with a good number of 65~75 tonners as line holders. So overall quite happy with the stuff I'm going for.
As for the extra stuff, the only thing I might be interested in is the Strana Mechty battlemat, but there's a question there -- there's some talk about Star Colonels getting one by default, which doesn't seem to be reflected anywhere "official" that I've looked. Can anyone confirm? If it is, I'd end up getting one (plus the case) since I might as well have a proper Circle of Equals.
Other than that, the question I have is whether the extra stuff in the box we unlocked this KS is permanent. E.g., the two Elemental points we unlocked for the box, will it be permanently there for future retail boxes, or just for this KS?
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If anyone's having issues with the e-publication and it showing up weird formatting, open it in Edge, that seems to get rid of it.
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BattleTech really needed this kickstarter.
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BattleTech really needed this kickstarter.
Personally, I'm absolutely floored. Talk about some pent up demand. I think the best part is how it gets the game retooled along with it. It shouldn't be surprising in thinking about it though, several gaming companies (take a look at Troll Lord) use Kickstarter for lots of product releases. My only pet peeve is that nothing should be truly restricted to backers one-time forever (I'm mainly talking lore/cannon/fiction sort of stuff).
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They have had them before and an overlord c...but I checked and didn't see them. Sometimes the resin stuff disappears for a while
Wayback machine captured them here if you want a thumbnail picture - https://web.archive.org/web/20150215210149/http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=16_44_109
The actual product pages, if you want to save them are -
Overlord (Clan) - http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=4410
Overlord (IS) - http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=4409
Union - http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=4025
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Oooohhhh, Clan Wolverine faction pack! Go 800K!!!
Now that is one I can get behind and would likely be the only add-on I would buy.
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This whole thing just goes to show how valuable and loved the IP is in the gaming world.
I hope it all goes well for CGL. I'll be in for the guts of €1000 as getting BT stuff in Europe has become a major pain over the last three or four years.
If CGL want to add all the recent dead tree books in this KS as add-ons I'll throw even more cash their way. Again this stuff is hard to get in Europe. Frustration does not begin to cover being a BT fan not based in the US.
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Now that is one I can get behind and would likely be the only add-on I would buy.
Bloodnamed and higher get one for free
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I have one problem with the 900K Defense of Luthein goal, they forgot the MRBC option. :'( :'(
The Conjurer would be neat to see, based more so on the original sculpt, not the latest ones.
I am thinking of a hybrid of the unseen and the MW4 one, a Mech that gets hyper-extending actuators to allow it to act as a chicken-walker or humanoid walker.
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oh my sweet ilkhan at that Marauder
(https://i.imgur.com/E5RjitM.gif)
this is to me the definitive design at this point. Absolutely perfect balance between new and old. It's so incredibly badass.
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It's gorgeous, isn't it? Would not be sad if I got that in the blind box pack thingy.
BYE
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This thread pushes forward in break-neck speed it seems. My last (and first) post got buried 7 pages back, so I'll ask again, just in case it got missed.
I live in Serbia, in Europe (but not EU, EU is not the whole of Europe), and I was eyeing to buy Battletech: A Game Of Armored Combat boxset since it was announced for 2018. However when I went to Catalyst's online store I got a cold shower, as the cheapest available option for shipping was around 90% of the price of the boxset itself.
So I am a bit apprehensive about the shipping amount for the kickstarter pledge. I pledged as Star Captain and intend to buy an additional Clan star, so were talking substantially more goods than Battletech: A Game Of Armored Combat boxset.
It is mentioned on the Kickstarter page that "european agencies" would be responsible for fulfillment for EU. Now, if the word used was "Europe", I wouldn't frett at all. But since it mentions only EU, I am concerned how the shipping to other countries in Europe, that aren't in EU is going to be managed.
Cubby, can we get some details on how european distribution will be executed? Can we get a list of european countries that would be covered by the european distribution center?
Best regards
Lone merc from the Periphery
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One thing to keep in mind when it comes to shipping is that different companies have different arrangements with their country's shipping organisations.
For instances, Fantasy Flight Games has astronomical shipping costs compared to somewhere like, say, Miniature Market, because they do not ship enough product from their own small warehouse to justify a special shipping deal with USPS. I'd imagine that Catalyst is a low volume exporter as well, and as a result has a similar "bad deal" with USPS (as most of Catalysts sales likely come from the stock they sell to third parties, as opposed to direct sales).
So whilst the Game of Armoured Combat shipped right from Catalyst costs too much in shipping, their EU hub puts the shipping far closer to you, and likely has a mass bulk shipping discount (discount's the wrong word, but you get what I'm saying) that would reduce costs at your end by an amount that makes it worth while.
Which is why they need an Oceania hub!!!
BYE
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This thread pushes forward in break-neck speed it seems. My last (and first) post got buried 7 pages back, so I'll ask again, just in case it got missed.
I live in Serbia, in Europe (but not EU, EU is not the whole of Europe), and I was eyeing to buy Battletech: A Game Of Armored Combat boxset since it was announced for 2018. However when I went to Catalyst's online store I got a cold shower, as the cheapest available option for shipping was around 90% of the price of the boxset itself.
So I am a bit apprehensive about the shipping amount for the kickstarter pledge. I pledged as Star Captain and intend to buy an additional Clan star, so were talking substantially more goods than Battletech: A Game Of Armored Combat boxset.
It is mentioned on the Kickstarter page that "european agencies" would be responsible for fulfillment for EU. Now, if the word used was "Europe", I wouldn't frett at all. But since it mentions only EU, I am concerned how the shipping to other countries in Europe, that aren't in EU is going to be managed.
Cubby, can we get some details on how european distribution will be executed? Can we get a list of european countries that would be covered by the european distribution center?
Best regards
Lone merc from the Periphery
Serbia is relatively close-by and if you take a look at the Shadowrun kickstarter, their shipping was relatively cheap for the European continent.
I don't think you need to worry at all about this Kickstarter having just as ridiculously expensive shipping as the Catalyst Web Store.
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Comstar is coming
Operation SCORPION started on May 1, 3052, as did the Battle of Tukayyid. So that would fit the "late winter" and "early spring" at least roughly.
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oh my sweet ilkhan at that Marauder
(https://i.imgur.com/E5RjitM.gif)
this is to me the definitive design at this point. Absolutely perfect balance between new and old. It's so incredibly badass.
I've seen that done as a 3-D print prototype. It's no less spectacular.
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One thing to keep in mind when it comes to shipping is that different companies have different arrangements with their country's shipping organisations.
So whilst the Game of Armoured Combat shipped right from Catalyst costs too much in shipping, their EU hub puts the shipping far closer to you, and likely has a mass bulk shipping discount (discount's the wrong word, but you get what I'm saying) that would reduce costs at your end by an amount that makes it worth while.
Which is why they need an Oceania hub!!!
BYE
Serbia is relatively close-by and if you take a look at the Shadowrun kickstarter, their shipping was relatively cheap for the European continent.
I don't think you need to worry at all about this Kickstarter having just as ridiculously expensive shipping as the Catalyst Web Store.
Thanks for the replies, fellow mech jockeys. What you wrote makes sense, and is what I am hoping for.
Still my experience with international shipping is varied. I had shipping prices on ebay auctions jump 50% just by choosing my country, instead of say Greece which is an EU country, even though my country is geographically nearer.
I checked Shadowrun kickstarter page, again EU is explicitly mentioned there, and I am not sure if the ballpark prices shown on the page are EU related or not.
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oh my sweet ilkhan at that Marauder
(https://i.imgur.com/E5RjitM.gif)
this is to me the definitive design at this point. Absolutely perfect balance between new and old. It's so incredibly badass.
This is the best redesign of all done until now, in my opinion. And it brings me joy to no end, me being a Marauder fan to the bone.
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For the Warhammer and the Marauder have there been any changes to the design since the first 3D printed prototypes were made? If not then perhaps a repost of those pic might be in order??
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We need the 3D Warhammer now. It's one of my fav 'Mechs, so I want to see it in all its glory.
And a 3D Ryoken. Need to see what they've done to my all time fav 'Mech.
BYE
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Kickstarter page already has the Whammy IIRC
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Archer and Marauder. No whammy yet
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It's tied to a Social Media goal, 1,000 Facebook shares or something like that...
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Cubby, in case you aren't already aware, the Add-on section doesn't include the Mechwarrior: Legends hardback yet and how much it'll cost. I'd love to increase my pledge so it's included, but as long as I don't know how much you'll charge for it, my hand is reluctant :)
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Cubby, in case you aren't already aware, the Add-on section doesn't include the Mechwarrior: Legends hardback yet and how much it'll cost. I'd love to increase my pledge so it's included, but as long as I don't know how much you'll charge for it, my hand is reluctant :)
I think that price will depend upon how many Mechs get unlocked.
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To save my credit card some grief, my add-ons will be restricted to exclusive items. I can always get the rest later.
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Wakes up and looks at Kickstarter updates
Welp...there goes any idea of keeping my dice buying options limited. I'm a sucker for new dice and the idea of having a complete set of Clan/House dice is too tempting to ignore. Happy early Birthday and Christmas to me.
The poor Piranha gets no love. Everyone keeps proposing this Clan Mech and that Clan Mech. The Piranha was used at Tukayyid by the Diamond Sharks. That's why I proposed replacing the Solitaire with the Piranha in the comments on the Kickstarter page. It makes sense especially with all the Tukayyid map packs being made available,
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I too am a sucker for dice. Someone was selling a full set of the con-exclusive metal ones a while back for $400 and I was much closer to pulling the trigger than I should have been
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Oooohhhh, Clan Wolverine faction pack! Go 800K!!!
* Happy dance * Happy happy joy joy * happy dance *
I had just up from Star Commander to Star Captain when I realized could get that and the extra star/lance packs I want for the same $45. Now it looks like I have a reason to go Bloodname for the faction pack and get the double star/lances.
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* Happy dance * Happy happy joy joy * happy dance *
I had just up from Star Commander to Star Captain when I realized could get that and the extra star/lance packs I want for the same $45. Now it looks like I have a reason to go Bloodname for the faction pack and get the double star/lances.
You also have the option of adding to your pledge to buy more dice.
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Speaking of buying more dice, an addendum to my prior post. I need a bag to hold that complete set of Clan dice.
Shakes fist at Catalyst
Adds the Clan dice bag to the list of goodies
I think I just heard my bank account whimper.
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The poor Piranha gets no love. Everyone keeps proposing this Clan Mech and that Clan Mech. The Piranha was used at Tukayyid by the Diamond Sharks. That's why I proposed replacing the Solitaire with the Piranha in the comments on the Kickstarter page. It makes sense especially with all the Tukayyid map packs being made available,
I like the Piranha. It's a very straight-forward mech with a straight-forward premise.
Unfortunately, it may not be the best.. "introductory" mech to foist on a new player. Sorts of encourage a specific mindset. Otherwise, I'd say dakka away.
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Salvage boxes will be from the Invasion box and IIRC the first two Clan & IS star/lance boxes. So with the Salvage boxes you get with your pledge IS Lances, you could end up with more IS mechs.
I want to see proof if someone unboxes a Marauder or Warhammer lol, pics or it did not happen!
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You also have the option of adding to your pledge to buy more dice.
Oh yeah done that, all ready figuring on at least 6 sets
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I like the Piranha. It's a very straight-forward mech with a straight-forward premise.
Unfortunately, it may not be the best.. "introductory" mech to foist on a new player. Sorts of encourage a specific mindset. Otherwise, I'd say dakka away.
It's no worse in that regard than the Solitaire. And it's far more era-appropriate.
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It's no worse in that regard than the Solitaire. And it's far more era-appropriate.
Eh. Opinion of course, but I think the Piranha might be worse in this regard. It is definitely more era appropriate.
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I've seen that done as a 3-D print prototype. It's no less spectacular.
Too true.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38458652_2133371183603938_21946247795441664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQlVu0L4RS3TgzlPAUGy40ezdB8LmYsbGJ_pC8tUHeGexH0mW1iomJ6JfLsacSJfrLM&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=d7655faa1989d8e46a48494bbd157c3e&oe=5DB8CFDA)
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PS - Another suggestion - Clan Spaniel...something. This is pretty much ultra niche pure fan service I know, but...perhaps something along the lines of Clan Spaniel Strana Mechty.
If I can't get my Hanse Davion Funko Pop then Clan Spaniel plushies would be an acceptable alternative.
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If I can't get my Hanse Davion Funko Pop then Clan Spaniel plushies would be an acceptable alternative.
I was thinking Clan Spaniel comic book.
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There’s art in one of the clan sourcebooks that has the clan spaniel team. It would make a bitching t-shirt
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I still hate that autocannon on the Marauder. xp Leaps and bounds better than the original art though.
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So someone with more experience in crowdfunding gaming materials . . . is over 4k backers a good number? I know in the past in product discussions questions have come up of how many people play or are involved in BT. The demographics and some assumptions that can be made about who is pledging- like over 600 people who have never done a KS- can provide some new numbers for the forum crunchers to endlessly analyze and speculate about but I hope they can also offer some market insight to CGL.
DarkSpade . . . you can always make it a -3D, -5D, or others.
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DarkSpade . . . you can always make it a -3D, -5D, or others.
but you need special glasses for the 3d to really pop!!
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5D requires using 90% of your brain
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So someone with more experience in crowdfunding gaming materials . . . is over 4k backers a good number? I know in the past in product discussions questions have come up of how many people play or are involved in BT. The demographics and some assumptions that can be made about who is pledging- like over 600 people who have never done a KS- can provide some new numbers for the forum crunchers to endlessly analyze and speculate about but I hope they can also offer some market insight to CGL.
DarkSpade . . . you can always make it a -3D, -5D, or others.
Here are the only other Kickstarters I've Backed (and I'm not gonna Include START CITIZEN HERE)
HBS BATTLETECH: 41,733 backers, $2,785,537 raised
CAV: STRIKE OPS III: 585 backers, $65,046 raised
BATTLE FX - 3D Printable effect Files: 371 Backers, $10,941 raised
TERRAIN ESSENTIALS - Book on Tabletop Terrain Building: 5658 Backers, $269,143 Raised
Sedition Wars - Miniatures Board Game: 4278 backers, $951,254 raised
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Here are the only other Kickstarters I've Backed (and I'm not gonna Include START CITIZEN HERE)
TERRAIN ESSENTIALS - Book on Tabletop Terrain Building: 5658 Backers, $269,143 Raised
Is this book a good ressource to build homemade terrain?
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Is this book a good ressource to build homemade terrain?
It will be...In production now
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1560579763/terrain-essentials?ref=user_menu
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Any idea if we Age getting Comstar? Seems odd since, well, they were the other five on the map sets they keep producing.
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Some think the 1m stretch haiku clue refers to comstar
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Finally decided to toss in the extra cash I want from the add-ons. I'll probably add a bit more, but for now, I'm locked in at that total. It almost got us across the 800k threshold.
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800k reached
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I am really conflicted right now. At Star Colonel, I get a free Faction pack. However, I am a fan of several factions -
Blood Spirits, Ghost Bears, Lyrans, Davions, Mariks, and Kuritas.
I don't know which one to choose. Another $200 is sadly out of the question for me.
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My guess is that the haiku might be Luthien-related, possibly involving a re-do on the wonky scenario pack that didn’t use the official unit names.
Re: the character naming, it would be hilarious (to me) if this Kickstarter were used to (re)canonize Galaxy Commander Ilnay Techus, the apocryphal Smoke Jaguar Commander on Luthien from The Crescent Hawk’s Revenge.
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heh I was looking through some old Battletech pictures of mine and see what I discovered (read the fine print)
(https://i.imgur.com/6uyPpfS.jpg)
Pretty cool that we went from the above to what we have right now.
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I am really conflicted right now. At Star Colonel, I get a free Faction pack. However, I am a fan of several factions -
Blood Spirits, Ghost Bears, Lyrans, Davions, Mariks, and Kuritas.
I don't know which one to choose. Another $200 is sadly out of the question for me.
They cost 40 each if you want another without dropping 200$.
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They cost 40 each if you want another without dropping 200$.
I think he meant he wanted all 6 of them, which would be $200 all told.
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for a mere $960 you can be ready to rep almost any faction
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for a mere $960 you can be ready to rep almost any faction
*until Comstar shows up.
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Pretty cool that we went from the above to what we have right now.
By the look of it, that is interior art, not cover art. It may still be in one of the books.
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The more time I spend watching this kickstarter, the more I find myself wondering if I can get away with putting off upgrading my PC for another year...
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By the look of it, that is interior art, not cover art. It may still be in one of the books.
It was first published in 25 Years of Art and Fiction, tagged as being part of the Clan Expansion Box at the time. The original planned cover was the tiger-striped Mad Cats in the snow that wound up on the BattleMech Manual.
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The more time I spend watching this kickstarter, the more I find myself wondering if I can get away with putting off upgrading my PC for another year...
I just ran the numbers and asked the same question ;D
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The more time I spend watching this kickstarter, the more I find myself wondering if I can get away with putting off upgrading my PC for another year...
Just remember, you don't have to buy it all at once now. Most of it will eventually be sold retail later.
Right now Star Colonel is looking to give you the most bang for your buck, without breaking the bank.
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Right now I am BLOODNAMED but considering an upgrade to Star Colonel. 6 doubled lance packs is toooooooo tempting to pass up. 2 Marauder packs, 2 Warhammer packs, 1 with Longbow, 1 with Crusader, and final one with Dire Wolf. May pop for the one with the Hellbringer as well as an add-on unless future stretch goals give another star/lance pack. Plus I would be getting a 5 salvage boxes so no telling what I would get there. Oh and the
styrene neoprene map too. Got plastic on the brain...
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Re: the character naming, it would be hilarious (to me) if this Kickstarter were used to (re)canonize Galaxy Commander Ilnay Techus, the apocryphal Smoke Jaguar Commander on Luthien from The Crescent Hawk’s Revenge.
I like your line of thinking!
That said, the named characters will presumably require no small amount of factchecking before they can be greenlit, presumably on an individual basis. People might try to pass... shtuff... in under the radar like Ilnay Techus. I'm all for canonizing him, but without breaking or retconning other canon please.
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People might try to pass... shtuff...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lJ0D3C6oxEk/maxresdefault.jpg)
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I think he meant he wanted all 6 of them, which would be $200 all told.
Yeah, I could have been a bit clearer there. That's what I meant. Decisions, decisions.
With Star Colonel, I'm getting 3 Clan and 3 IS packs as my freebies. I can build a nice Ghost Bear binary or trinary iI want to, even a supernova with the elementals I'm buying. Some mixing and matching can get me some good IS faction companies, too, with what I already have combined with the packs.
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Yeah, I could have been a bit clearer there. That's what I meant. Decisions, decisions.
With Star Colonel, I'm getting 3 Clan and 3 IS packs as my freebies. I can build a nice Ghost Bear binary or trinary iI want to, even a supernova with the elementals I'm buying. Some mixing and matching can get me some good IS faction companies, too, with what I already have combined with the packs.
Do it!!! ....im not biased at all! ;D
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Right now I am BLOODNAMED but considering an upgrade to Star Colonel. 6 doubled lance packs is toooooooo tempting to pass up. 2 Marauder packs, 2 Warhammer packs, 1 with Longbow, 1 with Crusader, and final one with Dire Wolf. May pop for the one with the Hellbringer as well as an add-on unless future stretch goals give another star/lance pack. Plus I would be getting a 5 salvage boxes so no telling what I would get there. Oh and the styrene neoprene map too. Got plastic on the brain...
Yeah, it's making my credit card whimper too. I see lots of OT in the next two weeks...
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It seems like unlocking. Dice and a coin wouldn’t really scream “million dollar$!” Maybe a Gencon announcement for Comstar!
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It seems like unlocking. Dice and a coin wouldn’t really scream “million dollar$!”
All backers are eligible to win a bt-themed paintball gun shootout hosted by Brent Evans in his house
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I’m currently at Star Colonel and I have to keep looking things over. I’m super tempted to go up to Galaxy Commander. The extra Stars/Lances, the extra challenge coins. Plus then there is the artwork instead of just having a named character. At least I have some time to decide still.
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All backers are eligible to win a bt-themed paintball gun shootout hosted by Brent Evans in his house
Guess he needs help with interior paining? ? ? ? ? *edit* stupid smileys...
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I wish I could of donated more that what I did. But summer months are expensive.
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I loadad the short fiction A New Game into my nook. Interestingly, the thumbnail is the cover of the Fire for Effect anthology.
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Okay, I have to say: major, major compliments to whoever at CGL who decided to excavate this old artwork. I have no idea how you had it lying around and able to pull it out in decent quality. This made me so happy to see:
(https://i.imgur.com/BQNxmyj.jpg)
I'm almost about to cry, it's that perfect to see.
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With Star Colonel, I'm getting 3 Clan and 3 IS packs as my freebies. I can build a nice Ghost Bear binary or trinary iI want to, even a supernova with the elementals I'm buying. Some mixing and matching can get me some good IS faction companies, too, with what I already have combined with the packs.
Is there an announcement I missed where they would split up the doubled forces?
Last I heard, with Star Colonel, you get 4 pairs of Star/Lance Packs (three from the reward level, one from the Orbital Drop stretch goal at $500,001), not eight single packs. So you can get, say, four Clan Star Packs and four IS Lance Packs, but only two types of packs. (So, say, 2 Command Stars and 2 Striker Stars, not 4 single Star Packs.)
Edit: Post based on erroneous information. Nothing to see here.
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Is there an announcement I missed where they would split up the doubled forces?
No, and they repeatedly announced that they would not.
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Is there an announcement I missed where they would split up the doubled forces?
Last I heard, with Star Colonel, you get 4 pairs of Star/Lance Packs (three from the reward level, one from the Orbital Drop stretch goal at $500,001), not eight single packs. So you can get, say, four Clan Star Packs and four IS Lance Packs, but only two types of packs. (So, say, 2 Command Stars and 2 Striker Stars, not 4 single Star Packs.)
Star Colonel gets a base of 5 packs and then the Dropship gave them another to double instead of Salvage Boxes- so (5+1)x2.
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Star Colonel gets a base of 5 packs and then the Dropship gave them another to double instead of Salvage Boxes- so (5+1)x2.
Oh I see! I'm wrong! Thanks!
(To clarify: My notes on the KS, which I used for reference, include all of the rewards for the Bloodnamed level and then the Star Colonel section is the difference between the two packages. I misread the differences as being the entire offering. I should probably stop posting while I'm busy with work stuff...)
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I believe that's also been upped to 6 via Orbital Drop at 500k.
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Is there a trick to downloading .epub or .mobi to Fire tablets? If keeps saying "can't open file"
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I like your line of thinking!
That said, the named characters will presumably require no small amount of factchecking before they can be greenlit, presumably on an individual basis. People might try to pass... shtuff... in under the radar like Ilnay Techus. I'm all for canonizing him, but without breaking or retconning other canon please.
Easy enough - put in the actual galaxy Commander that was taken down and note that, due to a concussion, he gave his name to Takashi Kurita as Ilnay Techus, resulting in massive dishonor for his bloodline (Techus not being a legit bloodname.)
Chiun (first name never given) would also be a fun character to get canonized and flesh out. Googling, the name apparently appears in the Bible as an evil heathen god linked to the star of Remphan. Just begs for a bio of “Tai-sa Remphan Chiun.”
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Is there a trick to downloading .epub or .mobi to Fire tablets? If keeps saying "can't open file"
Make sure you click on the .epub in the dropbox and that you do not do "save as download" on the link. The link actually open another .epun that is the right one(couple megs.)
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The choose your own adventure lance/stars have to be the end of the line for minis, right? Barring another improbable leap in funding?
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Just posted another update. They're adding 10 more "Full Kerensky" slots.
Man, I wish I had 5 grand just laying around... XD
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I could do it but I would probably come home to find my key no longer works
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Just posted another update. They're adding 10 more "Full Kerensky" slots.
Man, I wish I had 5 grand just laying around... XD
You and me both..... >:D
Craig
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If I sprung for one, I'd probably get evicted due to missing the rent.
Which might not be completely bad since I wouldn't have enough room for all that stuff here anyway.
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Just posted another update. They're adding 10 more "Full Kerensky" slots.
Man, I wish I had 5 grand just laying around... XD
Not gonna do it.
Wouldn't be prudent. ;D
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I am really conflicted right now. At Star Colonel, I get a free Faction pack. However, I am a fan of several factions -
Blood Spirits, Ghost Bears, Lyrans, Davions, Mariks, and Kuritas.
I don't know which one to choose. Another $200 is sadly out of the question for me.
The faction packs could get me in trouble. I will get Marik for me but getting that means I have to get my wife the Drac one or I will have to answer questions I don't want to answer. I would also consider Comstar and WoB if they came out. I will also be getting the Not Named Clan just to stick it to clan players......Wolverine's are coming Clanners…
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I was conflicted until they added IS faction packs. Now it’s all purple all the way
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If they do Comstar or WoB they should do Robes or at lest Hoddies intead of teeshirts
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The way my brain works I needed the information displayed a little differently in order to make my plan of attack. Maybe it'll be of some use to others as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/ksqnW4n.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/NZ5DD48.jpg)
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I like your brain!
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Can I suggest you split the thread from the Initial Announcement of the Kickstarter to when it actually went Live?
I wish I'd thought of that before I renamed this thread.
Pledge a dollar and then wait. That way you'll get updates, but you can figure out what to get when everything calms down.
For the record, that's what I'm doing. Proud $1 backer.
Cubby, can we get some details on how european distribution will be executed? Can we get a list of european countries that would be covered by the european distribution center?
I didn't miss your question when it was first asked, and passed it along at the time. I'll ask again.
Cubby, in case you aren't already aware, the Add-on section doesn't include the Mechwarrior: Legends hardback yet and how much it'll cost. I'd love to increase my pledge so it's included, but as long as I don't know how much you'll charge for it, my hand is reluctant :)
Passed that along as well, I don't have any details on it yet.
Apologies for the relative silence today, I'll do my best to keep up for the rest of the weekend.
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The faction packs could get me in trouble. I will get Marik for me but getting that means I have to get my wife the Drac one or I will have to answer questions I don't want to answer. I would also consider Comstar and WoB if they came out. I will also be getting the Not Named Clan just to stick it to clan players......Wolverine's are coming Clanners…
Given that there is, for some strange reason, no FedCom pack, I have to wonder if there will be WoB stuff. The strange thing is that it's very hard to tell if the lack of a FedCom pack increases or decreases the chances of non-era appropriate packs being added.
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Given that there is, for some strange reason, no FedCom pack, I have to wonder if there will be WoB stuff. The strange thing is that it's very hard to tell if the lack of a FedCom pack increases or decreases the chances of non-era appropriate packs being added.
That or they are going to add FedCom latter it is tough to know. But I think if they are adding dead clans then dead factions are just as likely
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I really hope so, because I want a set of FRR dice.
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I really hope so, because I want a set of FRR dice.
I would buy those. You know what would be cool would be a 6 on the logo....But a one having a fighter hitting a warship.....the fighter hitting crashing into the warship would make a cool poster now that I think about it.
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I really hope so, because I want a set of FRR dice.
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I do hope after it tops 1 million we can get another orbital drop or two. Or add the Tukyyid neoprene map to Bloodnamed or Star Colonel and above. Either of those would be nice extras :) Ah good ol hopes n dreams... :'(
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Oh and forgot to ask (or maybe I already did and forgot).
Will the IS retaliation pack become a retail package by chance?
Also, Monday is my birthday... So presents are welcome! ;D :thumbsup:
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Are you able to take additional star packs of the five omnimechs included in the box set? What if I want more Timber Wolves?
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currently you have to buy more clan boxes as an add on if you want those mechs or get lucky with your salvage boxes
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Are you able to take additional star packs of the five omnimechs included in the box set? What if I want more Timber Wolves?
At the current moment, the option is to basically buy a second box as an add-on ($50 IIRC). There has been questions asked if we can just get the mechs as an add-on, but no reply yet.
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I really hope so, because I want a set of FRR dice.
Yup. Me too.
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Also with canon character rewards at Star Colonel, Galaxy Commander, Khan, and Full Kerensky levels, there are approximately 1000 cannon characters being awarded currently!
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coming soon for 2026: your character in a book
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Everyone with the same name is going to be rolled into one Freebirth character!!! :o :D 8) :thumbsup:
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the average compiled face of ever submission into one character: Billy Gibbons
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And then John Smith looked at John Smith and said, "Have you met my brother, John Smith. He serves under Captain John "Johnny" Smith in the Smith's Johns, the most celebrated Merc unit on the periphery!".
:P
BYE
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Hi I'm Johnny. This is my brother John and my other brother John, you already met my cousin John haven't you?
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Wow, I'm not a Davion fanboy, but that Davion dice looks amazing in the render -
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/025/871/719/af3985cb6c2f099c2004f2c06a39af30_original.png?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1563645955&auto=format&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=9a2ca64216918981edabd57fc05ce7c8)
I'm curious what the other dice will look like. I hope we can get renders of those before looking in an order - some could be rather striking.
Challenge coins are pretty nice too, makes me want to hunt down my keychain.
Having a hard time deciding on factions. Marik and Wolverine for sure. After that...ugh, so tough, Blood Spirit, Snow Ravens, Kell Hounds, ComStar, the other houses - so many good ones.
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Also with canon character rewards at Star Colonel, Galaxy Commander, Khan, and Full Kerensky levels, there are approximately 1000 cannon characters being awarded currently!
And still little to no info on how they're going to handle so many.
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I'm seriously considering grabbing a few more coins, which is... problematic.
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And still little to no info on how they're going to handle so many.
People could make their life easier maybe by spec'ing out non-badass hero characters. Instead, some type of civilian role or non-combat enlisted role, characters whom would fit a support role in essence. E.g.: a mechanic, engineer of some sort, transport pilot or crew, radar tech, etc...
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I'm a dumb, so sorry for this silly question. But how/where does one add extra bits via the addon's?
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at the end of the campaign you'll be asked to choose any. if you put cash in at your pledge level above the face value you'll have a credit to charge against. any overages will require additional payment
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at the end of the campaign you'll be asked to choose any. if you put cash in at your pledge level above the face value you'll have a credit to charge against. any overages will require additional payment
Ah hah! Okay that makes sense :)
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HOLY CRAP!
I get a little distracted with work this week & forget about the date this was starting & blam, in 4 days its nearly 10x the requested goal.
This is good news indeed.
I guess I'm late getting in my pledge but better late than never.
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And still little to no info on how they're going to handle so many.
My guess is the next couple TRO's & the next Historical/Source book will have a bunch of new people in them.
It seems like a lot but when you can toss in names by the dozens/hundreds in a TRO or Sourcebook it will get whittled down quickly.
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Plus, if the pilot cards are popular, the names and bios can serve as fodder for many more boosters of those.
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Apologies for the relative silence today, I'll do my best to keep up for the rest of the weekend.
Don't worry, Cubby. Considering how fast this thread was going until yesterday, it's completely understandable.
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If anyone's interested in seeing how the new sculpts spread across eras/TROs, I did a thing:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zPPMgJl08vkuDzPB4iNqWiG74sGJjNuT/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zPPMgJl08vkuDzPB4iNqWiG74sGJjNuT/view?usp=sharing)
If it's coloured, there's a new sculpt;
AC= A Game of Armored Combat Plastics
BB= Beginner Box Plastics
CI= Clan Invasion Box Plastics
LP= Plastic Lance/Star Packs
IWM= Recent high-fidelity resculpts by IWM in metal
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Do we know yet what is exclusive to the Kickstarter? I presume the faction packs/challenge coins, but I presume that things like the dice, or the character card decks, and so on will be available after the fact?
BYE
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And still little to no info on how they're going to handle so many.
Because we're still figuring it out. And probably will be for awhile.
People could make their life easier maybe by spec'ing out non-badass hero characters. Instead, some type of civilian role or non-combat enlisted role, characters whom would fit a support role in essence. E.g.: a mechanic, engineer of some sort, transport pilot or crew, radar tech, etc...
I appreciate the thought--we certainly don't need 1,000 MechWarrior Mary Sues. But specifics are going to be harder for us to incorporate and navigate. not easier.
Do we know yet what is exclusive to the Kickstarter? I presume the faction packs/challenge coins, but I presume that things like the dice, or the character card decks, and so on will be available after the fact?
Anything marked specifically as "exclusive," will be exclusive. Anything not so marked may and in most cases (Lance and Star Packs) likely will be available at retail at some point. But I don't have specifics on date, or whether your own personal LGS will for sure have them.
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Do we know yet what is exclusive to the Kickstarter? I presume the faction packs/challenge coins, but I presume that things like the dice, or the character card decks, and so on will be available after the fact?
My own internal records goes as follows for Exclusives:
Exclusive Dog Tag
Exclusive Daggerstar Keychain
Exclusive Invasion Box Cover
Exclusive Mechwarriors cards
Exclusive Poster
Exclusive Batchall Scenario
Exclusive Blitzkrieg Scenario
Exclusive Grand Melee Scenario
Exclusive Last Stand Scenario
Exclusive Trial of Position Scenario
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My own internal records goes as follows for Exclusives:
Exclusive Dog Tag
Exclusive Daggerstar Keychain
Exclusive Invasion Box Cover
Exclusive Mechwarriors cards
Exclusive Poster
Exclusive Batchall Scenario
Exclusive Blitzkrieg Scenario
Exclusive Grand Melee Scenario
Exclusive Last Stand Scenario
Exclusive Trial of Position Scenario
Exclusive Leather-bound hardback of Mechwarrior: Legends
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My own internal records goes as follows for Exclusives:
Exclusive Dog Tag
Exclusive Daggerstar Keychain
Exclusive Invasion Box Cover
Exclusive Mechwarriors cards
Exclusive Poster
Exclusive Batchall Scenario
Exclusive Blitzkrieg Scenario
Exclusive Grand Melee Scenario
Exclusive Last Stand Scenario
Exclusive Trial of Position Scenario
And the exclusive dice bags.
Also, it says the black enamel challenge coins are exclusive. (Perhaps we will get non-enameled coins at a later date? But that's purely speculation on my part.)
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Just remember, you don't have to buy it all at once now. Most of it will eventually be sold retail later.
I'd feel better about that if I hadn't spent most of the last 15 years missing out on physical BT products because they were available for a week then perpetually "awaiting restock." It very much feels like it will be my only chance to get any of this stuff.
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At least these days you can try and get it from your FLGS, Amazon, online FLGS (such as miniature market), or ebay market/auction
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I've posted this in the KS comments but I'll toss it here too:
Something that I'd really like to see as a later stretch goal is an art book, showing the concept design sketches for all the redesigns and perhaps some of the older art as a side-by-side comparison to show how the aesthetic has evolved over time - and it's something that isn't necessarily a physical offering
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I'd feel better about that if I hadn't spent most of the last 15 years missing out on physical BT products because they were available for a week then perpetually "awaiting restock." It very much feels like it will be my only chance to get any of this stuff.
A fear not unfounded. Acquiring about a quarter of the CGL era books for my collection in the last couple years was... painful - on par with the rarest of rare FASA sourcebooks. However the fact that the new boxes have been reprinted a few times already and the battlemats are getting another run has improved my mood (apologies to the Europeans. I know things are still frustrating on the distribution end).
Whatever the case I’m going to bite the bullet hard up front to avoid a potential years-long wait for some items
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I've posted this in the KS comments but I'll toss it here too:
Something that I'd really like to see as a later stretch goal is an art book, showing the concept design sketches for all the redesigns and perhaps some of the older art as a side-by-side comparison to show how the aesthetic has evolved over time - and it's something that isn't necessarily a physical offering
We got the 25 Years of Art & Fiction 10 years ago. It would be cool to see something similar for the last 10 years or so, especially now that the redesigned Unseen are back.
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A fear not unfounded. Acquiring about a quarter of the CGL era books for my collection in the last couple years was... painful - on par with the rarest of rare FASA sourcebooks. However the fact that the new boxes have been reprinted a few times already and the battlemats are getting another run has improved my mood (apologies to the Europeans. I know things are still frustrating on the distribution end).
Whatever the case I’m going to bite the bullet hard up front to avoid a potential years-long wait for some items
I'm one of those Europeans :P
I got lucky and managed get the GoAC box via a friend who happened to see one and grabbed it for me. Other than that, the last time I managed got get physical BT product involved ordering them from the old BattleShop and having them delivered to my (now ex-)inlaws in the US. They only took about 5 years to be delivered.
I've backed at Bloodnamed, and have set aside another $100 to get extra lance/star packs. I'm torn over whether to try & stretch to Star Colonel now the orbital drop has happened. If I read it correctly $300 at Bloodnamed gets me 2x2 + 6x1, for 10 star/lance packs of 8 types, while Star Colonel gets me 6x2 star/lances for 12 packs total but only 6 different ones.
I'll add that I'm not interested in having a canon CHR who's just a throwaway line in a book somewhere. I'd much rather have the same $ value in loot ;D
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I really hope so, because I want a set of FRR dice.
I.. dammit, my determinination to not get extra dice is faltering :-\
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And still little to no info on how they're going to handle so many. [Canon characters]
Because we're still figuring it out. And probably will be for awhile.
Any chance you'll have something before the Kickstarter ends? Like I said earlier, I hate harping on this, but when spending this much money I'd like to have some kind of idea on what I'm getting. I don't need a fully detailed outline, but some idea of what might happen and/or what won't would be nice.
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I would love to get a poster out of the deal. I need a new battletech poster for the game room.
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Because we're still figuring it out. And probably will be for awhile.
Any chance you'll have something before the Kickstarter ends? Like I said earlier, I hate harping on this, but when spending this much money I'd like to have some kind of idea on what I'm getting. I don't need a fully detailed outline, but some idea of what might happen and/or what won't would be nice.
Indeed, I am planning on Bloodnamed but I am willing to go up to Galaxy Commander if I know what the value of each canon character is (I am assuming that each pledge group will be treated differently).
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Because we're still figuring it out. And probably will be for awhile.
Any chance you'll have something before the Kickstarter ends? Like I said earlier, I hate harping on this, but when spending this much money I'd like to have some kind of idea on what I'm getting. I don't need a fully detailed outline, but some idea of what might happen and/or what won't would be nice.
I’m of the same mind. Just want to know if the extra cash to be at galaxy commander will net something tangible. Otherwise I’ll drop down to star colonel and spend that money on addons
Some Galaxy commander level with art will be used when the premium clan pilot deck with a photo on the back goal is reached.
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The 40K unlock was the "Clan Juggernaut" printed poster for ristar backers and above. Plus another physical poster at 320K, both as exclusives.
I would love to get a poster out of the deal. I need a new battletech poster for the game room.
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Because we're still figuring it out. And probably will be for awhile.
Any chance you'll have something before the Kickstarter ends? Like I said earlier, I hate harping on this, but when spending this much money I'd like to have some kind of idea on what I'm getting. I don't need a fully detailed outline, but some idea of what might happen and/or what won't would be nice.
The character name is guaranteed to be used somewhere, in a BattleTech product. Any other information provided *might* be used, will try to be used, at CGL’s discretion. There will be an update to the FAQ this week with clearer language.
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fair enough. thanks for the update
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RE: canon character naming
They did this a while ago for the demo agents, IIRC. I can't remember the sourcebook off-hand, but there are a lot of familiar names throughout.
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RE: canon character naming
They did this a while ago for the demo agents, IIRC. I can't remember the sourcebook off-hand, but there are a lot of familiar names throughout.
A bunch of freelancers was "canonized" as SLS WarShips joning Kerenky's exodus in a picture... somewhere.
Edit: The image on p. 9 of Field Manual: Updates.
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A bunch of freelancers was "canonized" as SLS WarShips joning Kerenky's exodus in a picture... somewhere.
Edit: The image on p. 9 of Field Manual: Updates.
TRO: 3050U has some as well, along with new variants, but neither are the book I'm remembering.
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Any chance the 2nd Star League will be a faction to unlock?
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The character name is guaranteed to be used somewhere, in a BattleTech product. Any other information provided *might* be used, will try to be used, at CGL’s discretion. There will be an update to the FAQ this week with clearer language.
Thank you this needs to be updated. I am not going to lie I am just happy with a name. But that FAQ makes it look like a lot more and if Cataylst isn't real clear on the Kickstarter page what is going to happen it is going to lead to major problems. I don't want that I see this kickstarter opening up a new lease on life for the game
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Welp. Wonder what our new Lance/ Star Pack is going to be now... We hit $850,000.
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I wouldn’t blame them for taking the rest of the day to ready any updates and make sure all the messaging is consistent.
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Random thought, I sure hope that if a Clan Invasion Box Set mini-only option pops up that is doesn't disrupt Box Set backing or sales.
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Anyone heard anything official about picking up multiple pledges? Really want to double down on Star Colonel (plenty of "picks" and twice the goodies!).
It would be super helpful if we could select Elementals as part of our Star/Lance picks........
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No word yet. Have a relative make a Kickstarter account and pay them to make the pledge?
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It would be super helpful if we could select Elementals as part of our Star/Lance picks........
You can! A full star of elementals is one of the pack options.
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Sorry if this has been asked already but how is shipping going to be handled? Should we pledge extra to cover the potential cost or is there going to be a chance to later on to pay for it?
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Sorry if this has been asked already but how is shipping going to be handled? Should we pledge extra to cover the potential cost or is there going to be a chance to later on to pay for it?
Shipping is separate from your pledge. As I understand it, once Catalyst knows how much it will cost, they'll notify backers as to the additional cost.
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Shipping is separate from your pledge. As I understand it, once Catalyst knows how much it will cost, they'll notify backers as to the additional cost.
You'll be charged for shipping post-kickstarter. It can come out of money you pledge during the kickstarter (If you pledged in excess of a pledge level), or you might have to have another charge.
Currently we have no way of knowing how big shipping charges will be, and we're unlikely to until after the kickstarter and we're already on the hook. Yes, this sucks. CGL is asking us to assume the risk of bait-and-switch shipping so they can avoid it.
Here's why:
http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2017/12/game-designer-workshop/game-designer-workshop-episode-16-shipping-the-devil/
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I’m already budgeting $50 for shipping
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I’m already budgeting $50 for shipping
Spoiled American.
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Blame the Atlantic
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And the Pacific too! Our Australian and New Zealander compatriots are begging for an Australian shipping solution...
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Sounds like Randall needs to dress up like Santa and drive a boat over himself
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No no no, blame Canada xp
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Sounds like Randall needs to dress up like Santa and drive a boat over himself
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't turn that down...
No no no, blame Canada xp
Too easy! And won't satisfy the Aussies and Kiwis... ^-^
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Shipping to and from Canada is nightmare prices on eBay so something foul is afoot
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No no no, blame Canada xp
(https://research.pomona.edu/itsecurity/files/2017/01/zsruwxjowztpthb1fxo3.jpg)
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(https://research.pomona.edu/itsecurity/files/2017/01/zsruwxjowztpthb1fxo3.jpg)
No no no, blame Canada xp
Hey now, we have feelings too :'(
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I have noticed that free shipping for kickstarters has become a thing of the past. It's a tough thing to calculate when physical pledge rewards can increase over the life of the kickstarter. If they don't budget for every possible thing they have to ship, it can eat up a lot of the money earned. On the other hand, if they budget for shipping things that didn't happen it lowers the potential value of your pledge since, in a way, you'd be paying for shipping something you'll never see. The fact that we're getting things in waves only adds to the complexity.
It sucks, but I totally understand it.
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I wonder how bulky this stuff might be. If there's not an affordable UK shipping option I might look into having it shipped to a US address then ask my kids to bring it back for me next time they visit their mother's parents
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I just suggested the next lance pack be Ostsol, Ostroc, Scorpion and Goliath be in the next mech pack. Justice for TRO: 3025!
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Blame the Atlantic
Doesn't explain Canada :P
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Ok so I want more stuff to open. For example I would love to see more map sets Maybe some terrain or more mapscale dropships.. All sorts of things I am worried about. But as the mech packs keep opening am I the only one worried that it is going to take forever for this to be fulfilled. Not through any fault of Catylst just because of how successful it has been. I didn't dream it would do this much to be honest.
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IMO going into different types of rewards will delay it, not necessarily more of the same thing- more mechs, maps, and books is easier than adding another category like 3D terrain.
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Doesn't explain Canada :P
I’d still blame the Atlantic. He’s been a jerk for 100,000 years
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IMO going into different types of rewards will delay it, not necessarily more of the same thing- more mechs, maps, and books is easier than adding another category like 3D terrain.
Oh I know the 3D terrain is probally a reach.. But I think maps and books would be great. They have had such trouble getting maps into print over the last decade. I think this is the perfect chance to solve that. At lest that is me.
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I'll buy as many map packs as they have add-ons for.
Question - how many Fortress do IWM have in stock? Enough? Might wanna check
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The thing that most surprises me about the DropShips is that IWM has a mapscale Leopard and Fortress, but no Union, much less Overlord...
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The thing that most surprises me about the DropShips is that IWM has a mapscale Leopard and Fortress, but no Union, much less Overlord...
They use to have a union and overlord and a Overlord C..... The resin stuff sometimes goes out of print. If I remember correctly all that stuff is produced out of house.
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That makes sense... thanks! :thumbsup:
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I can't wait to see what happens in 8 days, I'm going on vacation and will be out of computer commission for that time ... crap, kids back on my return day, too ... make that 9-10 days before I can really sit and read all the updates.
The anticipation/anxiety is going to kill me!
I've already flip-flopped on my pledging: 50/150/95+75=170 ... figured I wanted more pack selection. Had that figured out-ish, then a ton of stretch goals came through, now there's 2 more that I want to see.
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Hey now, we have feelings too :'(
But only in the summer when we have properly thawed out
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Mechwarrior Legends - I don't suppose a list of included individuals is available?
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Pretty sure it's just a book title at this point.
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Anyone got good reasons to explain to the spouse why packages keep arriving next Spring/Summer? I think I will need them . . . on the other hand, her birthday present's price tag has also risen.
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I think you'll need your own excuse if it's in Spring/Summer. Expected delivery for stretch goals is into late 2021-early 2022 based on how many have been unlocked.
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Anyone got good reasons to explain to the spouse why packages keep arriving next Spring/Summer? I think I will need them . . . on the other hand, her birthday present's price tag has also risen.
lol...well I am have a partial solution in that my wife like's BattleTech. So I am going to buy her a Kurita Faction pack dice and challenge coin to offset some of the heat. I am considering the $200 dollar character add on as well to try and make her happy. I am going at Star Colonel but as I am looking at the add-on's she is not going to be happy
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Anyone got good reasons to explain to the spouse why packages keep arriving next Spring/Summer? I think I will need them . . . on the other hand, her birthday present's price tag has also risen.
The boat is very slow. They only have one small outboard motor
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I think you'll need your own excuse if it's in Spring/Summer. Expected delivery for stretch goals is into late 2021-early 2022 based on how many have been unlocked.
Did they make a announcement or outline for a delivery schedule?
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Just an estimate. Though I also see it going down like that
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Did they make a announcement or outline for a delivery schedule?
This is what we have so far. I'd definitely suggest not expecting anything before this.
For those keeping track, we're currently up to 15 Star/Lance packs unlocked, and will be up to 16 by the time we hit $1,000,000 pledged. That puts the expected delivery so far at March 2020 + 14 months, which is May 2021. I miscounted when I said "late 2021-early 2022" but the idea is that the odds of them being ready next spring/summer is astronomically unlikely.
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The boat is very slow. They only have one small outboard motor
And sometimes they run out of gas, so everyone has to get out and help push.
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I wonder if there'll be an option for "wait till all the lance/star packs are available then ship all at once."
That might be a lot cheaper in postage for people outside the US than getting each one in a separate shipment
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This is what we have so far. I'd definitely suggest not expecting anything before this.
For those keeping track, we're currently up to 15 Star/Lance packs unlocked, and will be up to 16 by the time we hit $1,000,000 pledged. That puts the expected delivery so far at March 2020 + 14 months, which is May 2021. I miscounted when I said "late 2021-early 2022" but the idea is that the odds of them being ready next spring/summer is astronomically unlikely.
Honestly if they can hit the goal of the box set and first two lace packs and all the non-mini swag buy march I will be happy. But I still say that is a very aggressive goal
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The boat is very slow. They only have one small outboard motor
saw a kayak looking fishing boat in LL Bean today. Complete with pedal powered propeller. ... add a paddle for slightly faster propulsion.
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Any chance the 2nd Star League will be a faction to unlock?
I can't be 100% sure, but I don't think this box set covers the events of The Great Refusal and ProtoMechs, just the first half of the invasion through to Tukayyid. If so Second Star League would fit more in with and The Great Refusal.
That said ProtoMech design tend to make vehicle ones look good and are even less popular as a results so maybe I'm just reading too much into things.
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I just suggested the next lance pack be Ostsol, Ostroc, Scorpion and Goliath be in the next mech pack. Justice for TRO: 3025!
This please x1000!
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Clan Invasion era is up to 3061- which is past the official end of the Jaguars in '60.
Do not expect quads . . . besides the production problems, they miss out on several of the criteria that were established.
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Really wish they'd add the recent map packs as add-ons as well.
BYE
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Clan Invasion era is up to 3061- which is past the official end of the Jaguars in '60.
Do not expect quads . . . besides the production problems, they miss out on several of the criteria that were established.
Yea the thing with quads is they don't really fit maps well. I am looking at you Trantula taking up the whole board and you Barguest looking like a micro mech.
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Quads are definitely in the dog house right now. Adding them to the KS lineup would be a massive plot twist
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I wonder if there'll be an option for "wait till all the lance/star packs are available then ship all at once."
That might be a lot cheaper in postage for people outside the US than getting each one in a separate shipment
Can't remember who, but I remember someone saying that this is what they'll be doing.
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Most Kickstarters I've been in have a "ship when it's ready" and "ship when it's done" option.
BYE
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Quads are definitely in the dog house right now. Adding them to the KS lineup would be a massive plot twist
Have to agree with that. Bring on the Ost mechs. :rant: There are four of them after all. ;)
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Most Kickstarters I've been in have a "ship when it's ready" and "ship when it's done" option.
It really depends on the nature of the KS. In cases similar to this one, where there is a staggered production schedule, it's common to have wave shipments. This is usually because some backers don't want to wait for the last item to be produced -- it's different from backer to backer.
Also, you have to consider the risk of non-production for later waves. This can be a particular issue for KS that grew too big, or in some cases geo-political issues. One classic example would the the Robotech Tactics KS which produced one wave, and then promptly strung out the other waves into non-existence. However, there are other KS that because they hit sudden production cost increases, they were unable to fully fulfill subsequent waves.
So, it's both backer preference -- I feel most would prefer periodic shipments, maybe by quarter for consolidated shipping -- and also risk mitigation, in case some bad things happen to either the KS people or the production chain.
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Anyone got good reasons to explain to the spouse why packages keep arriving next Spring/Summer? I think I will need them . . . on the other hand, her birthday present's price tag has also risen.
The ups fairy, say it in front of the kid so she can't say it isn't real like the tooth fairy or santa.
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Pledge total is going up by about $1,000 an hour right now, so if it keeps up at this rate it will break $1 million before GenCon
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1.5-2 mil before its done?
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Yeah, though at this point I wouldn't be surprised is it hits 2.5m by the end.
Best to wait and see what it hits after 7 days then double it. That should be a fairly accurate estimate based on how backers normally operate.
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Really whether this KS hits $2m will depend on any boost from GenCon and what they show us in the final 3 days. Otherwise I'd be surprised if we get close to that before the end of the campaign.
And speaking of the end of the campaign, I'm sure that there are a significant number of people pledging that already have pretty sizeable miniature collections and are holding off on some or even many of the Star/Lance packs because they already own the miniatures involved (sometimes multiple). I, for instance, would be unlikely to purchase any Lance Pack that includes a Zeus. That's not me saying don't make a new Zeus, just that there is some hesitation to purchase more things that some of us already have.
In light of the above, even if we cannot get 3D models for all the new miniatures, I think it would be well within Catalyst's (and our) best interests to at the very least have the redesign concept art complete by campaign's end so that those of us that are holding off can get an idea of what sort of improvement these new designs present before throwing more money at our screens. :)
BYE
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N/M
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I'm actually taking this opportunity to modernize whatever parts of my collection are in metal or old plastics. It's going to be a while, but I've got more Catapults than I can feasibly use (last count was 19) that I've come across just picking up second-hand lots or what have you, and the shelf probably needs a bit of a reaving.
These designs are a damn fine thing to replace them with. Except maybe this time I'll stick to 4-6 Catapults.
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I'm actually taking this opportunity to modernize whatever parts of my collection are in metal or old plastics. It's going to be a while, but I've got more Catapults than I can feasibly use (last count was 19) that I've come across just picking up second-hand lots or what have you, and the shelf probably needs a bit of a reaving.
19 Catapults.
What the heck are you trying to do with 19 Catapult, remove the map reference? ;D
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Yeah I've 7 of the things and I thought that was excessive.
BYE
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You save up until you've got 24, then take them to Battalion game supported by some Narc users, watch the enemy weep.
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excessive.
underkill is not a desirable outcome
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I wonder if there'll be an option for "wait till all the lance/star packs are available then ship all at once."
That might be a lot cheaper in postage for people outside the US than getting each one in a separate shipment
I was thinking the same. If it's easier for CGL to just ship everything in one go, I am more than willing to wait. But whatever is easiest and cheapest for them.
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I was thinking the same. If it's easier for CGL to just ship everything in one go, I am more than willing to wait. But whatever is easiest and cheapest for them.
Pretty sure they've said that this is what will happen because of how shipping costs are calculated.
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Pretty sure they've said that this is what will happen because of how shipping costs are calculated.
they've explicitly stated that won't happen.
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19 Catapults.
What the heck are you trying to do with 19 Catapult, remove the map reference? ;D
Indeed! A case of
"Captain."
"Yes Sir?"
"Do you see those enemies over there?"
"I do sir."
"I don't want to."
"Understood Sir."
(https://i.imgur.com/qo4Dw1W.gif)
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Is the stuff on kickstarter going to be released as general product???
Just in case if I cant bring more money to the kickstarter??
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Is the stuff on kickstarter going to be released as general product???
Just in case if I cant bring more money to the kickstarter??
Everything not tagged as an exclusive will be available by some method after the Kickstarter, though CGL have not made specific statements as to how and when.
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Everything not tagged as an exclusive will be available by some method after the Kickstarter, though CGL have not made specific statements as to how and when.
Yes - but the concern is for the past several years, "available" has meant "2 weeks on the CGL store, then 2 years of extortionate prices on ebay"
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Yes - but the concern is for the past several years, "available" has meant "2 weeks on the CGL store, then 2 years of extortionate prices on ebay"
I got the impression that CGL has seen this problem and the Kickstarter may be a major milestone towards adressing it, by gearing towards economy of scale. Once the initial costs are covered, the core boxed sets and the plastic miniatures will (hopefully) be cheap and easy to mass-produce and restock.
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I assume even after the 18th we'll be able to order stuff on the page or is it then a case of 'its done!' and then waiting for 'em to be in stock etc.
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I got the impression that CGL has seen this problem and the Kickstarter may be a major milestone towards adressing it, by gearing towards economy of scale. Once the initial costs are covered, the core boxed sets and the plastic miniatures will (hopefully) be cheap and easy to mass-produce and restock.
We can certainly HOPE so, but I think recent experiences are still too recent to fully expunge.
CGL has to make a profit, and books have to go out of print sometime, but their print runs in recent years appear to have been anaemic to the point that the game wasn't available at all. Ni product means no exposure, no growth - and personally, I have to wonder how much of the "failure" of products such as the Hex Packs to sell was due to the death of availability/visibility of the main game.
Right now, I am at the point of considering what add-ons to buy
But there are an increasing amount of exclusive add-ons such as challenge coins - and that is even leaving out factions such as ComStar, the FRR, WOB and the FedCom.
So - do I buy the exclusives and take a chance the maps and models will be available later? Or do I buy what I really want, hoping the rest will somehow be available later?
More, if I decide to budget and buy the earlier packs as they'll be available sooner, will CGL see that as a lack of support for the later packs, with correspondingly smaller print runs? Do I support CGL by buying now, or is it better buying later through my LGS?
Minor problems of course, but still a concern
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Everything not tagged as an exclusive will be available by some method after the Kickstarter, though CGL have not made specific statements as to how and when.
Thanks for the update.
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Yes - but the concern is for the past several years, "available" has meant "2 weeks on the CGL store, then 2 years of extortionate prices on ebay"
And is that better or worse than "only available if you happen to have backed the Kickstarter and have the cash during the Pledge Manager window"?
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19 Catapults.
What the heck are you trying to do with 19 Catapult, remove the map reference? ;D
Catapults are simply very common mechs in a lot of packs, collections offered on Ebay or garage sales etc. I re-started playing and my collection less than three years ago and own six or so. Plus, it's actually one of the best chassis in the game: offering good to excellent variants in every era.
Also: The SLDF fought with companies and battalions of identical chassis (sometimes even variants). Why not be able to field a full company of Catapults?
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Is there a Union and Overlord I'm missing?
Waiting on shipment of the bodies that a third party makes. Then they will be back instock.
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Looks like things are starting to setting in the post opening rush. The 900k stretch goal should be reached sometime later today (WD, KH swag, premium pilot card deck w/ character pictures). After that it’s going to probably be the rest of the week to get to the second community lance/star, no?
Barring a gencon bubble, it will be a slow climb to 1m where we might see the post-million goals before the final blitz. Looks like the final landing spot will be somewhere above robotech tactics and BELOW the HBS game (edit: missed word made it sound like I thought the ks would do better than the PC game, which is silly)
Hopefully we’ll get some updates today clarifying a few things
Everybody go take a nap and we’ll see you in August :))
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Barring a gencon bubble, it will be a slow climb to 1m where we might see the post-million goals before the final blitz. Looks like the final landing spot will be somewhere above robotech tactics and the HBS game
The HBS Game earned over 2 million:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech?ref=user_menu
41,733 backers pledged $2,785,537 to help bring this project to life
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The HBS Game earned over 2 million:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech?ref=user_menu
41,733 backers pledged $2,785,537 to help bring this project to life
Yeah but that Kickstarter had much higher numbers across the board:
(https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/dailypledges.png)
(https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/dailypledges.png)
Amount of backers per day:
(https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/dailybackers.png)
(https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/dailybackers.png)
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Oops! Left a word out. Finish above RTT and BELOW the pc game.
I’m never that optimistic xp
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The HBS Game earned over 2 million:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech?ref=user_menu
41,733 backers pledged $2,785,537 to help bring this project to life
The pledge levels were a lot lower in order to get the base game so the comparison is a bit iffy. The HBS KS was generating about $67 a backer. Currently the Clan Invasion KS is generating (at the time of my writing) $200 per backer. My HBS pledge was a quarter of my current Clan Invasion pledge and I will be adding more at the end of the campaign.
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Yeah but that Kickstarter had much higher numbers across the board:
See Sartis's response to my point.
he left a wrod out which made it sound like he was saying the BT KS would make more than the HBS kickstarter.
Don;t matter if 2 people back at $1.25 Million each, or 254 million people back at $1 each. At the end of the day, the amount of money raised is the most important aspect.
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Looking forward to an announcement of what the $850K stretch goal lance will comprise of.
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hornet, falcon, sentinel, thorn
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hornet, falcon, sentinel, thorn
Gosh, I hope not. I need the Stalker in my life.
Edit: Actually, the Sentinel would be ok.
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i tried to pick the worst four options left i could think of
don't expect any of those
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Don;t matter if 2 people back at $1.25 Million each, or 254 million people back at $1 each. At the end of the day, the amount of money raised is the most important aspect.
As I think everyone has seen, the process of packaging and distributing pledges to people can be a nightmare so lots of high value pledges are probably easier to deal with than a lot of small ones. HBS also had a lot of digital delivery and very little physical delivery so again their numbers are going to present a different set of issues.
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i tried to pick the worst four options left i could think of
don't expect any of those
So: Urbanmech, Urbanmech, Urbanmech, Urbanmech?
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The urbanmech has community meme value so it’s automatically going to be a popular addition
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And is that better or worse than "only available if you happen to have backed the Kickstarter and have the cash during the Pledge Manager window"?
Doesn't seem much different other than less goddies, but is actually ready to ship.
So: Urbanmech, Urbanmech, Urbanmech, Urbanmech?
Anyone know what color scheme Zippy's Urbanmech Cavalry uses?
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If you’re looking for least popular lance sets: PlasTech Retro Memorial Lance Pack
Fatlas, Fatapult, Fatjack, and tiny-AC Hunchback
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you HAVE to mix the CityTech 2 victor in there somehow
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you HAVE to mix the CityTech 2 victor in there somehow
Ol’ Beanpole Slim McShoulderpads?
Might as well throw in the CityTech Omni Action “Powered Down in the Mech Bay” set, each slumped forward with arm weapon pods pointed at the floor and melded to their thighs.
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i tried to pick the worst four options left i could think of
don't expect any of those
Ostsol and Ostroc would make me happy but I think it unlikely.
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if popular sentiment is the most important factor, the hunchback and behemoth (stone rhino) seem to be the most requested IS / Clan options
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Hunchback has some merit . . . only reason SERO is b/c that single person keeps spamming that crap . . . its just not that widespread a design.
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The old hunchback model is quite..dated, it needs work and some new art for it would also be good.
Also i'd love to see the Black Python get saved that thing looked dumb as all hell with those matchstick legs.
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Did it. Full Khan. Can’t wait for the summit. Wish I could be there in person, but online will do.
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full khan with addons for me would be over $1500, roughly so not an option. the community gets the added bonus of my bad ideas staying a safe distance away from polluting anything official
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Ostsol and Ostroc would make me happy but I think it unlikely.
Actually, the Ostroc is - in a certain variant - also fielded by the Clans, as a second line mech of course.
I came up with this list for the two lances/stars likely to be added to the Kickstarter turnout:
Second Line Clan Assault Star: King Crab, Pillager, Nightstar, Emperor, Thunder Hawk.
and: Second Line Clan Security Star Thorn, Hussar, Crab, Wyvern, Ostroc.
Benefit: Stars consist completely of 'Mechs usable by all second line clan forces of the era, as well as by Inner Sphere units.
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As I think everyone has seen, the process of packaging and distributing pledges to people can be a nightmare so lots of high value pledges are probably easier to deal with than a lot of small ones. HBS also had a lot of digital delivery and very little physical delivery so again their numbers are going to present a different set of issues.
In other campaigns I have tracked, the huge shipping pitfall has been "number of add-ons per pledge". Lots of people will pick a pledge level with pre-defined rewards, and those are easy to pull, pack and ship in a hurry. Complex pledges with unique packing lists take longer, and require more checking to ensure accuracy.
Given that a lot of the pledge levels have built-in options for lance/star packs, faction swag, etc., I am expecting a very complex and messy fulfillment process.
I don't let it concern me, because I see it, the available choices are:
1. Have faith in Catalyst to put together a robust warehouse system to manage complex fulfillment.
2. Decide not to get worked up over fulfillment schedules, and just wait and see.
3. Don't participate, and wait for retail.
4. Do something else, and get the same result as (1,2, or 3) with a lot more stress.
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The old hunchback model is quite..dated, it needs work and some new art for it would also be good.
You know there is a new Hunchback?
(http://ironwindmetals.com/store/images/btmechs/20-5055.jpg)
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Yeah but that Kickstarter had much higher numbers across the board:
Amount of backers per day:
Where are these viewable on kickstarter? I cannot find them.
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Where are these viewable on kickstarter? I cannot find them.
Kicktraq records these data: https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/
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Hi all,
Per the usual 50-page rule for forum threads, I'll be locking this thread momentarily, and moving discussion to a Vol. 2.
We let the thread go on over the usual cut-off during the first few crazy days of the campaign, but it's time.
Thanks,
Aaron