Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV

[Colt Ward]

Did the Marians really hit the Magistry?

[Weirdo]

Repeatedly. It's a popular pastime in the Hegemony. :)

In Shattered Fortress? No clue, but the preview ToC certainly seems to imply it.

[Sharpnel]

Did the Marians really hit the Magistry?

Captured Thraxa, then lost it. Attcaked Gambilon and Marantha if memory serves. Stunning assaults followed by equally stunning retreats. AFAICT there no net gains, only losses of personneland equipment and eventually a couple of MH worlds to the MoC.

[Colt Ward]

'preview ToC'?

Yeah, Shattered Fortress with the timing makes me wonder if that was how Nikol planned to deal with Marian aggression . . .

So, Brooks gets sacked on Kendall . . . which means Bulwark, Galleon & Main Gauche- no heavy mechs from KY-ATC.  I mean I am familiar with sack in the historical sense, but was that really applied to a factory they hope to one day take?

[wantec]

'preview ToC'?

Yeah, Shattered Fortress with the timing makes me wonder if that was how Nikol planned to deal with Marian aggression . . .

So, Brooks gets sacked on Kendall . . . which means Bulwark, Galleon & Main Gauche- no heavy mechs from KY-ATC.  I mean I am familiar with sack in the historical sense, but was that really applied to a factory they hope to one day take?

I don't know for certain, but my guess would be a combo factory raid and sabotage. Take all recent production and damage it enough to stop production for awhile. I doubt they completely destroyed the factory, like you said, they may one day want to capture it.

[Colt Ward]

If its not nailed down, load it in the trucks.  If you cannot load it all in the trucks, heat it up and wrap it around telephone poles.  Mechs stomp on all the concrete in the construction and knock machinery off brackets/mounting.  Drag all the powerlines back to the dropzone with you?

Should make folks happy, the Hegemony gets Main Gauche IFVs!

[Saint]

I just hope they gain back some ground in the next book. I kinda expected the FWL to hit back, but to lose Illiyra hurt.

[Adacas]

If we are guided by what the book says, it is anti-economic to conserve Illyria and the rest of the planets, apart from Tamarind leaving all the rest of the borders unguarded.

Fixed that you have to kick out the canopians of Ballalaba and Islington, make more units and hire extra mercs for garrisons

[Arkansas Warrior]

I was trying to compile a list of battlemechs made in the Hegemony (to include Marian refits).  Here’s what I’ve got:


Locust LCT-1V2
Commando COM-4H
Centurion CN9-H
JagerMech JM6-H
Charger CGR-2A2
Marauder II MAD-4H


Did I miss any?

[Saint]

Mechs ( with likely upgrades)
Locust LCT-1V2, Commando COM-4H
Icarus ICR-1X move to ICR-2S
Centurion CN9-H move to CN9-Ar
Gladiator GLD-1R move to GLD-5R
Emperor EMP-1A move to EMP-6A

Tanks
 APC's, Maultier, Harasser, J.E. Hover, Gladius, Gladius II, Fulcrum, Testudo, SRM, Laser, AC2 Carrier, Hvy LRM Carrier (was in the works as of 3085)

BA
Marauder and Ravager

Fighters
Shilone

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Is Shattered Fortress already available for sale?

[Kit deSummersville]

The .pdf is.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

About time  :thumbsup:

[Knightmare]

Sorry for what I did, but you Marians deserved it.  ;)

[Saint]

Burn the traitor!!!! ;D

[Sharpnel]

Ave Proditor!

[Adacas]

Everything is returned, if someone deserves everything that happens is the FWL, and insurance will be returned all x triplicate, are far from home and with their other naked borders and commercial and economic sanctions, Fontaine should go and there will lose everything who got
And who knows out there has pirate surprise, some Lyrans, internal blows, renegade Regulans with Nukes who knows .....

[Kit deSummersville]

Sorry for what I did, but you Marians deserved it.  ;)

It's not easy moving up from the kiddy table.

[Baldur Mekorig]

It's not easy moving up from the kiddy table.

Is that humor?

[Colt Ward]

Look what happened when the TC & MoC tried it in the 3060s . . . one split apart and had a 80+ year slump while the other had to give the heir to a House Lord along with also prostituting their own regiments for the Cappie ambition.

[Adacas]

Look what happened when the TC & MoC tried it in the 3060s . . . one split apart and had a 80+ year slump while the other had to give the heir to a House Lord along with also prostituting their own regiments for the Cappie ambition.

Amen My Brother!

[Deadborder]

The Mariana bit off far more then they could chew, and that's all there is to it. Had they been going up against the fragmented post Leauge in the early 3130s, then maybe they could have pulled it off. However, picking a fight at that level against a Successor State was never going to work out

[Kojak]

The Mariana bit off far more then they could chew, and that's all there is to it. Had they been going up against the fragmented post Leauge in the early 3130s, then maybe they could have pulled it off. However, picking a fight at that level against a Successor State was never going to work out

Well, maybe if they'd picked it with the Lyrans. But the newly resurgent Free Worlds League? No, that was just asking for trouble. I will say this, though: I do root for the Marians a bit, they're a scrappy bunch and as a classical history nerd I like that BattleTech has a Space Rome. I just wish they had better discretion when it came to their war-making.

It's not easy moving up from the kiddy table.

Sure, look at how long it took the Capellans. [rimshot]

[Adacas]

Well, maybe if they'd picked it with the Lyrans. But the newly resurgent Free Worlds League? No, that was just asking for trouble. I will say this, though: I do root for the Marians a bit, they're a scrappy bunch and as a classical history nerd I like that BattleTech has a Space Rome. I just wish they had better discretion when it came to their war-making.

Sure, look at how long it took the Capellans. [rimshot]

Who we make war is not decided by the players, Kojak do the authors
if it were for us reading a little the previous posts in their versions III and II you could read that attacking the FWL was only spoken during the period of fragmentation and when much to go for Kendall an independent world does not part of a Duchy
The other options were much more popular, annex the worlds of Circinus, Cultural Anexation of independent worlds of Marik (Lahti, San Nicolas or Sierra)
Colonization and even go beyond Circinus to Lyran space

As for the response from Tamarind not from the NFWL, it is a bit strange that with almost 3 regiments + 1 battalion he achieves what he achieves

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Instead of taking Kendall for the war production and resources, the Marians are scripted to take farther Gibraltar and other fringe worlds. It's funny the book says the Marians attack the Canopians for "raw materials, slaves, and other necessities" but somehow ignore industrious Kendall right on its border  ::)  While in the same book, the Regulans realize the importance of factory worlds and do everything in their power to hold on to Emris IV.

No insight is offered into why the Marians went solo against two Successor State provinces plus the strongest Periphery nation when anybody knows what response this would provoke and they never take any defensive preparations into account. Likewise, the III Legio Prefect acts like he's an independent warlord.

While the Regulans, Anduriens and Canopians attempt an alliance of convenience against the neo-FWL, the book utterly fails to show any outreach by even the Regulans to get the Marians into the action. We get to see the intricacies of neo-FWL politics and characterizations but none of that for the Marian side of the conflict.

TL; DR This book continues the quest to portray the neo-FWL as suffering fake disasters against enemies scripted to make idiotic decisions, to make its eventual triumphs more dramatic.

[Colt Ward]

They dropped some troops to sack Brooks . . .

 . . . and I thought others here agreed it looked false flag for them to hit Canopus.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

Sack, yes. But not take. Why take useless Gibraltar instead of Kendall?

I doubt it's a false flag. That was a trope of the Jihad books and Fortress troops.

[Adacas]

They dropped some troops to sack Brooks . . .

 . . . and I thought others here agreed it looked false flag for them to hit Canopus.

Do you want to talk about False Flag my friend? Let's talk about Fontaine's lie that Capela and Canopus supported the Marian Hegemony, because it is a big lie like an Atlas, anyone knows in the FWL that the Hegemony has raided the Canopian Frontier almost for a century, and that is stolen in the raids? Military, civilian equipment, ammunition and supplies, which are Canopians and who are the main benefactors of Canopus? Capela of course, what was all this material that took Gibraltar? Looting Product  ::) ::)

As for Brooks, I hope we could have looted the lines and all the staff possible, because if not in the next book there are people who are very capable of saying that it was a mistake and we ransacked a factory of tractors
Since we talked about looting, one thing that the authors took great care to say nothing about the issue is that we also sacked Marantha and there is a factory of Aerofighters and a refit of Dropships so they could have filled the deposits of things a lot more interesting than the local fauna of the planet

[jimdigris]

Look what happened when the TC & MoC tried it in the 3060s . . . one split apart and had a 80+ year slump while the other had to give the heir to a House Lord along with also prostituting their own regiments for the Cappie ambition.

In all fairness to the MoC, giving the heir to the Cappies puts a Centrella on the Capellan throne in a generation.  Furthermore, the Canopian regiments in service to the Cappies got valuable equipment, upgraded factories, and combat experience out of it.  Pirate raids were a pain, but the trade with the Capellans improved the economy significantly.

[Arkansas Warrior]

So we should be trying to arrange a marriage between the Caesar and Nikol Marik, is that what you’re saying? :)